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CBS, Paramount Settle Lawsuit Over 'Star Trek' Fan Film (hollywoodreporter.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Hollywood Reporter: Stand down from battle stations. Star Trek rights holders CBS and Paramount have seen the logic of settling a copyright suit against Alec Peters, who solicited money on crowdfunding sites and hired professionals to make a YouTube short and a script of a planned feature film focused on a fictional event -- a Starfleet captain's victory in a war with the Klingon Empire -- referenced in the original 1960s Gene Roddenberry television series. Thanks to the settlement, CBS and Paramount won't be going to trial on Stardate 47634.44, known to most as Jan. 31, 2017. According to a joint statement, "Paramount Pictures Corporation, CBS Studios Inc., Axanar Productions, Inc. and Alec Peters are pleased to announce that the litigation regarding Axanar's film Prelude to Axanar and its proposed film Axanar has been resolved. Axanar and Mr. Peters acknowledge that both films were not approved by Paramount or CBS, and that both works crossed boundaries acceptable to CBS and Paramount relating to copyright law." Peters' Axanar video and script, which feature such arguably copyrighted elements as Vulcan ears, the Klingon language and an obscure character from a 1969 episode, sparked a lawsuit in December 2015. The litigation then proceeded at warp speed with the case almost making it to trial in just 13 months, an amazingly brisk pace by typical standards. When Axanar comes out, it will look different. "Axanar and Mr. Peters have agreed to make substantial changes to Axanar to resolve this litigation, and have also assured the copyright holders that any future Star Trek fan films produced by Axanar or Mr. Peters will be in accordance with the 'Guidelines for Fan Films' distributed by CBS and Paramount in June 2016," states the parties' joint announcement of a settlement.

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  1. Goodbye, good movie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So it probably means Axanar will be severely downgraded, quality-wise. Sad for the fans, but can't say they were right.

    1. Re:Goodbye, good movie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Alec Peters has ruined Star Trek fan films for everyone due to his greed. And I was enjoying Star Trek Continues which can no longer continue thanks to him.

    2. Re:Goodbye, good movie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Alec Peters is a greedier bastard than Gene Roddenberry. That's quite an achievement.

    3. Re:Goodbye, good movie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's what disappoints me most. I'm reasonably convinced that Peters was trying to profit from Star Trek, which isn't OK. But other productions like Star Trek Continues aren't profiting and actually increase interest in Star Trek. I don't think that anyone would see Star Trek Continues on Youtube and then decide they didn't want to watch TOS. If anything, it's free advertising for TOS and would increase interest in that series. If CBS and Paramount had simply said you can't profit from Star Trek, or even that you have to give them a royalty-free and perpetual license them to use your works to promote their official Star Trek productions, I think that would be okay. It seems like the restrictions are draconian and are an overreaction to the problem.

    4. Re:Goodbye, good movie by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      If the writers are any good it will get a more Blake's 7 type treatment where it is up to the viewer to understand that it is a different view on the same "Federation" as in Star Trek, but with totally different names and iconography.

      If they can't do that, then it was going to be weak anyways. They still get to make a movie, they still get to tell whatever parts of the story were original. Rather than being downgraded, this should actually improve the art; else they shouldn't have been doing it anyways.

      This may be bad news for Trekkies and Trekkers, but it is good news for science fiction fans!

    5. Re:Goodbye, good movie by lord_mike · · Score: 1

      Wait, what? I haven't heard anything about Star Trek continues not being able to um.... continue, and there is nothing on their Web Site or Twitter feed that indicates that. Are you aware of something that I'm not?

    6. Re:Goodbye, good movie by james_gnz · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm reasonably convinced that Peters was trying to profit from Star Trek, which isn't OK.

      You could well be right that he was trying to profit from Star Trek, but I'm not convinced it's not okay.

      Apparently he was accused of copying the "concept and feel" from decades old episodes, including "Vulcan ears, the Klingon language and an obscure character from a 1969 episode". The world's richest man founded his empire on copying the contemporary "look and feel" of the Mac from Apple (who copied it from Xerox). That seems a lot like the "concept and feel" to me, so if it's not okay, then I think there's a far bigger issue here. Also, the "concept and feel" in dispute is over 40 years old.

      It's not clear to me from the article whether Alec Peters is or was intending to restrict distribution of the resulting work. If not, then I really don't think he was doing anything wrong. Copyright was intended to promote the production of works by restricting their distribution. I don't think it should hinder the production of works that can happen without restriction on distribution, over 40 years later. That seems counter productive to me.

      If he was intending to restrict distribution though, then his legal troubles don't bother me. Live by the sword, die by the sword, I guess.

    7. Re:Goodbye, good movie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go read the fan film guidelines CBS and Paramount laid out because of Axanar. They won't allow for Star Trek Continues to go on because of the restrictions on quality, professional actors and length.

    8. Re:Goodbye, good movie by lord_mike · · Score: 1

      I read them, but according to an update at the Continues indiegogo site, CBS is reviewing everything on a case by case basis and has not suggested that Continues stop what it's doing as of yet: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/star-trek-continues#/updates

    9. Re:Goodbye, good movie by ZenShadow · · Score: 2

      He didn't just copy the look and feel.

      He took entire designs wholesale; Klingon ships, at least one Federation ship, etc.; he took the exact names of the fictional nations involved; he even used actual Star Trek screen-used costumes. But most damningly, he took at least one whole character for use in Axanar.

      Interestingly, the character I'm referring to isn't from TOS, but rather from Enterprise, which is much more recent.

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    10. Re: Goodbye, good movie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple didn't copy Xerox,they stole from xerox.
      Same as did ms.

    11. Re: Goodbye, good movie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Xerox willingly gave Apple tours of their technology, in exchange for an opportunity to buy shares in Apple (from which they profited).

      Besides, you can't copyright an idea. Apple didn't get any Xerox code; they had to re-implement everything themselves, and made a number of innovations in GUIs as part of the process.

      Apple didn't steal anything from Xerox that Xerox didn't get from Engelbart.

    12. Re:Goodbye, good movie by jordanjay29 · · Score: 2

      He took two characters. Garth of Izar and Ambassador Soval, from TOS and Enterprise respectively.

    13. Re:Goodbye, good movie by jordanjay29 · · Score: 1

      Look into Renegades, Tim Russ' project, which basically did that very thing.

    14. Re:Goodbye, good movie by james_gnz · · Score: 1

      Apparently he was accused of copying the "concept and feel" ...

      He didn't just copy the look and feel. ...

      I was just going by the article, and in particular what seemed to me a key passage: "the judge found under an objective analysis that the YouTube video, dubbed Prelude to Axanar, was too congruent to Star Trek, leaving a jury to decide whether a reasonable person would find the total concept and feel of the works to be substantially similar." Perhaps there were other charges too, but still, the Apple v. Microsoft "look and feel" case at least seems relevant to this charge.

    15. Re:Goodbye, good movie by drewsup · · Score: 1

      really hope they get to Continue this series, they have finally got a good cast and settled into roles, Vic does a pretty good kirk, and the new Spock and Mccoy are passable, story lines are solid, and it has the "feel" of TOS, if they cant go on, we will be left with all the shitty green screen clones that look rubbish...

    16. Re: Goodbye, good movie by james_gnz · · Score: 1

      Xerox willingly gave Apple tours of their technology, in exchange for an opportunity to buy shares in Apple (from which they profited).

      Okay, but by the same token, movie studios let people see their movies in exchange for a cut of ticket prices. If showing for a fee imparts a license to copy, then both Apple and movie goers receive this.

      Besides, you can't copyright an idea. Apple didn't get any Xerox code; they had to re-implement everything themselves, and made a number of innovations in GUIs as part of the process.

      Are you saying it's theft to copy an expression, but not theft to copy an idea, and "concept and feel" is an expression, whereas "look and feel" is an idea? Presumably Alec Peters didn't use any Star Trek footage (although ZenShadow says he did use some Star Trek costumes). Also, like Apple, he produced something new.

      Apple didn't steal anything from Xerox that Xerox didn't get from Engelbart.

      So now you're saying Apple bought stolen goods from Xerox?

      This isn't convincing me. I'm just feeling like, if you ask questions about intangible property, you get incongruent answers.

    17. Re:Goodbye, good movie by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      where it is up to the viewer to understand that it is a different view on the same "Federation" as in Star Trek

      Blake's 7's Federation had nothing in common with Trek's Federation except one word in their name. Terran Federation != United Federation of Planets.

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    18. Re:Goodbye, good movie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a great series. I found myself almost forgetting I was watching a modern production rather than a genuine TOS episode multiple times.

    19. Re: Goodbye, good movie by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      Xerox willingly gave Apple tours of their technology, in exchange for an opportunity to buy shares in Apple (from which they profited).

      Okay, but by the same token, movie studios let people see their movies in exchange for a cut of ticket prices. If showing for a fee imparts a license to copy, then both Apple and movie goers receive this.

      In both cases, it's not license to copy but certainly allows you to take the idea and express it in a new and different fashion. Copyright protects the expression, not the underlying concept or idea. There are plenty of "Zombies / Aliens / Animals attack shows and movies but each is a different expression of the idea, and the expression is protected. For example, I can watch Transformers and decide to create a movie about aliens who are on earth disguised as common household appliances and reveal themselves to fight off an evil invader, because that is an underlying idea. No one would mistake my movie for Transformers. I can't call it Transformers or used a copy of Bumblebee or character names, etc.

      Besides, you can't copyright an idea. Apple didn't get any Xerox code; they had to re-implement everything themselves, and made a number of innovations in GUIs as part of the process.

      Are you saying it's theft to copy an expression, but not theft to copy an idea, and "concept and feel" is an expression, whereas "look and feel" is an idea? Presumably Alec Peters didn't use any Star Trek footage (although ZenShadow says he did use some Star Trek costumes). Also, like Apple, he produced something new.

      The difference is Apple took the idea of a desktop and created their own version of, they didn't just make a duplicate of Xerox's implementation. Using ST props, copies of vessels, names, etc. would cross the line between the concept and how it is expressed. He wasn't making a satirical look at ST, which may have been ok, but a drama using material from ST. Like it or not, Paramount has to protect its copyrights. Much of copyright law is broken, but the underlying idea is sound.

      In addition, while not relevant to this discussion, is the different philosophy exposed early in the development of the PC. It was much more of an academic / hobbyist ethos were ideas were shared more freely and the idea that they should be copyrighted and protected was much less prevalent. Once significant sums of money became involved the attitude changed. Hollywood, OTOH, has always looked to the money.

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    20. Re:Goodbye, good movie by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      Look into Renegades, Tim Russ' project, which basically did that very thing.

      They needed to do something because Renegades was rather boring. It had a lot of promise but was too disjointed to be any good, and certainly didn't interest me is supporting the sequel(s). They, IMHO, traded too much on "Hey, this is a new type of ST" and didn't put enough time into making it an interesting story.

      What I don't understand is why professionals think Paramount will ignore their work even when it uses their copyrighted material? Make a pilot, even crowd fund it, pitch it and hope it sells; or try to license the material so you don't wind up in court later.

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    21. Re:Goodbye, good movie by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      He didn't do anything that anyone else hasn't done.

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    22. Re:Goodbye, good movie by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      What do you expect? It's a Trek fan film. The TOS ones take everything lock stock and barrel including unfilmed scripts and original actors. Of course a fan film is going to reuse major elements from the franchise.

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    23. Re:Goodbye, good movie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But only Axanar was trying to profit from it.

    24. Re: Goodbye, good movie by james_gnz · · Score: 1

      Xerox willingly gave Apple tours of their technology, in exchange for an opportunity to buy shares in Apple (from which they profited).

      Okay, but by the same token, movie studios let people see their movies in exchange for a cut of ticket prices. If showing for a fee imparts a license to copy, then both Apple and movie goers receive this.

      In both cases, it's not license to copy but certainly allows you to take the idea and express it in a new and different fashion. Copyright protects the expression, not the underlying concept or idea.

      Yes, I get that, but this passage preceded one that began "Besides, you can't copyright an idea.", indicating that these lines of argument were supposed to be independent. If this line of argument wasn't supposed to be independent of the following one, then I'm at a total loss to understand what, if anything, it was supposed to achieve.

      There are plenty of "Zombies / Aliens / Animals attack shows and movies but each is a different expression of the idea, and the expression is protected. For example, I can watch Transformers and decide to create a movie about aliens who are on earth disguised as common household appliances and reveal themselves to fight off an evil invader, because that is an underlying idea. No one would mistake my movie for Transformers. I can't call it Transformers or used a copy of Bumblebee or character names, etc.

      Are you sure that was the intention of copyright law? Is the Transformers universe an idea, or an expression of idea(s)? (If it is the expression of idea(s), what idea(s) is it the expression of? Is this even a meaningful question?) Would a new story based in the Transformers universe not be a "transformative work"? (The pun's kind of unavoidable, but the question remains valid.)

      Besides, you can't copyright an idea. Apple didn't get any Xerox code; they had to re-implement everything themselves, and made a number of innovations in GUIs as part of the process.

      Are you saying it's theft to copy an expression, but not theft to copy an idea, and "concept and feel" is an expression, whereas "look and feel" is an idea? Presumably Alec Peters didn't use any Star Trek footage (although ZenShadow says he did use some Star Trek costumes). Also, like Apple, he produced something new.

      The difference is Apple took the idea of a desktop and created their own version of, they didn't just make a duplicate of Xerox's implementation. Using ST props, copies of vessels, names, etc. would cross the line between the concept and how it is expressed. He wasn't making a satirical look at ST, which may have been ok, but a drama using material from ST. Like it or not, Paramount has to protect its copyrights.

      You completely missed my first point, that he was charged with copying the "concept and feel", which, you seem to agree, it shouldn't be possible to charge him with. Are you seriously suggesting that all he did was "make a duplicate" of a Star Trek story, not make a new story? Really? Doesn't copyright law allow transformative works as well as satire? (Well, apparently it doesn't today. Maybe yesterday or tomorrow, depending on who does it, and how much cash they have.)

      Much of copyright law is broken, but the underlying idea is sound.

      I'm not convinced about that either. As far as I can see, it's given us a shit operating system and a bunch of shit low-brow entertainment in exchange for draconian enforcement of bunch of restrictions that no-one really seems to understand.

    25. Re: Goodbye, good movie by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 1

      You completely missed my first point, that he was charged with copying the "concept and feel", which, you seem to agree, it shouldn't be possible to charge him with. Are you seriously suggesting that all he did was "make a duplicate" of a Star Trek story, not make a new story? Really? Doesn't copyright law allow transformative works as well as satire? (Well, apparently it doesn't today. Maybe yesterday or tomorrow, depending on who does it, and how much cash they have.)

      Satire certainly. If by transformative you mean derivative and I think the answer to that is no, and that's exactly what the movie was - a derivative work using props and replicas of items from the original, which violates the original's copyright.

      Much of copyright law is broken, but the underlying idea is sound.

      I'm not convinced about that either. As far as I can see, it's given us a shit operating system and a bunch of shit low-brow entertainment in exchange for draconian enforcement of bunch of restrictions that no-one really seems to understand.

      It's also given us OSS, because without copyrights the GPL would not be enforceable. Copyrights let creators decide how their works can be used, and I'd wager much of what is produced wouldn't be absent copyrights. As I've said, the fundamental principle is sound it's all the ways it is implemented that is broken. For example, the extension of copyright to essentially forever which prevents things from entering the public domain.

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    26. Re: Goodbye, good movie by james_gnz · · Score: 1

      Doesn't copyright law allow transformative works as well as satire?

      Satire certainly. If by transformative you mean derivative and I think the answer to that is no, and that's exactly what the movie was - a derivative work using props and replicas of items from the original, which violates the original's copyright.

      See Copyright & Copywrong: What are Derivative and Transformative Works?

      As far as I can see, it's given us a shit operating system and a bunch of shit low-brow entertainment in exchange for draconian enforcement of bunch of restrictions that no-one really seems to understand.

      It's also given us OSS, because without copyrights the GPL would not be enforceable.

      Without copyright, I don't think the GPL would be necessary. What would be the point of hiding the source if the executable was freely distributable? Wouldn't someone doing that just be encumbering themselves with the full development costs?

      Copyrights let creators decide how their works can be used, and I'd wager much of what is produced wouldn't be absent copyrights.

      I'm sure you're right with regards to massively-expensive blockbuster movies. I doubt the world would have missed them if we didn't have them though. I enjoyed Blake's 7 when I was a kid. (I don't recall ever thinking "I'd like this if not for the lack of ludicrously-expensive special effects".) That kind of low-budget entertainment would be within the means of state broadcasters.

      With regards to actually useful works, copyright is good at quickly hacking together shit works, which grab mind share, and hinder the development of free works. I'd wager we would have been better off without copyright (if such a wager were possible).

      As I've said, the fundamental principle is sound it's all the ways it is implemented that is broken. For example, the extension of copyright to essentially forever which prevents things from entering the public domain.

      I suspect the only upside of copyright is that it's slowing the shift to the cloud, which will be even worst.

  2. Lawyers and Weaklings!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lord Garth, formerly of Izar, is not OBSCURE. He is MASTER OF THE UNIVERSE!!!!!!!

    1. Re:Lawyers and Weaklings!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By the Power of Greyskull he rules!

  3. Won't Be Star Trek by Psion · · Score: 2

    The only thing I can read from this is that in order to meet CBS/Viacom/Paramount requirements, it can't retain any of the Star Trek elements we'd like to see. In which case, it will be just another space combat short with no connection to any greater framework that makes it have relevance. Peters' bluster has not only ruined his Axanar project that would have brought an interesting bit of Trek 'history' to light, but it has ruined the chances of any other fan film becoming a serious production worthy of consideration, thanks to those stringent guidelines CBS understandably developed.

    1. Re:Won't Be Star Trek by irving47 · · Score: 2

      If it continues, it'll be rewritten and we'll end up with fewer of the cool actors that were in prelude.... We'll eventually see what was done to Andromeda to make it non-Star Trek

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    2. Re:Won't Be Star Trek by Psion · · Score: 1

      An excellent comparison! And Peters could still turn this into something interesting. But I'm disappointed because this was hugely promising and the man let his ego get in the way.

    3. Re:Won't Be Star Trek by dbIII · · Score: 2

      I for one am a bit sick of Star Trek fan films anyway. There was one where the Enterprise was parked underwater just to hide from a pre-industrial civilization - can you believe that? Another where a belt buckle made all of Star Fleet obsolete. There is some utter crap out there.

    4. Re:Won't Be Star Trek by irving47 · · Score: 1

      The problem is, and it's admittedly *my* problem... Once I know it's a veiled copy, every lame name change, every alteration so that "it doesn't upset the lawyers" will snap me out of what I'm watching and make me roll my eyes. Much like Andromeda. I have no idea how much of the Kevin Sorbo "takeover" of Andromeda made it look cheesier than normal Star Trek, or if it was simply the "Action Pack" production company's fault... But I tried hard... But in the end Andromeda was border-line unwatchable.

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    5. Re:Won't Be Star Trek by camperdave · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There was one where the Enterprise was parked underwater just to hide from a pre-industrial civilization - can you believe that? Another where a belt buckle made all of Star Fleet obsolete.

      I even saw one where the Enterprise was being built in the middle of a field on Earth's surface, and a single drop of red paint was enough to implode Vulcan.

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    6. Re:Won't Be Star Trek by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      There was one where the Enterprise was parked underwater just to hide from a pre-industrial civilization - can you believe that?

      It makes sense, they probably didn't have sonar back in the 80s. Right?

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    7. Re: Won't Be Star Trek by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since when was the 80s pre industrial?

    8. Re: Won't Be Star Trek by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1780s counts.

    9. Re:Won't Be Star Trek by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your life must really suck. I feel sorry for you.

  4. Did not see that one coming! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No sir I did not!

  5. In the interest of infringing further: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Goodbye and thanks for all the fish, Paramount/CBS!

    Anybody who isn't abandoning Trek completely now is an absolute fool. Furthermore if the Klingon language is copyright(ed/able), then even the unofficial unicode range for it should be overwritten. Klingon cultural fans who previously wore forehead prosthetics should either migrate their culture, or finally give up on it (take up japanese and bushido instead, or mongolian!) And that also means Bat'leth clones are violating copyright under the rules meaning buying them unless Paramount licensed is a violation of copyright law as well as being one more way for CBS/Paramount to say FU to its fans.

    Remember folks, if Discovery makes it to TV/their webservice, boycott the fuck out of it. Make the Trek property so worthless they can't sell it for pennies on the dollar. Then once the boycott is complete, if you really really really still have any interest in it, get a holding company to purchase it for you at a fraction of its original worth and license all assets related to it under the CCbySA license. Anybody can use it, anybody can sell it, but trying to keep your own derivations copyrighted and using them against others is violating the agreement. Only then and finally will people be able to freely express themselves as Trekies and use it to forward the culture they believe the future holds from watching and participating in it.

    Same to Star Wars fans, but good luck ever getting that IP out of Disney, just like if they get Trek in the near future...

    1. Re:In the interest of infringing further: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remember folks, if Discovery makes it to TV/their webservice, boycott the fuck out of it. Make the Trek property so worthless they can't sell it for pennies on the dollar.

      When you say "boycott" can we still watch it pirated? Because absolutely all of us were planning to do that anyway.

    2. Re: In the interest of infringing further: by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Really? I've heard the last few Trek outings were absolute shit. I've been too busy to see many movies, but after Paramount's shenanigans began I couldn't see making time to give them any of my money. The fans made Trek - if they want to shit on the fans, then the fans can u make Trek. Except that most of them are p'tak.

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    3. Re: In the interest of infringing further: by mrsquid0 · · Score: 1

      The last three JJ Abrams Star Trek movies (I think one of them may have been mis-labeled as a Star Wars movie) were beyond awful.

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    4. Re:In the interest of infringing further: by Aighearach · · Score: 2

      I totally agree. As a lifelong Star Trek fan I have to point out that William Shatner sincerely advised the obsessed people you talk about to "get a life" long ago. Perhaps anybody with an excessive attachment that they could "abandon" should finally now take his advice to heart?

      My advice, choose what is on the screens you look at, and never ever ever make what somebody else put on a screen into part of your personal identity.

      Star Trek's financial value of course won't change, but if twelve people stop buying Klingon prosthetics, all twelve of them will have more pennies. So their side of the financial effect is exactly the same. And by no longer obsessing about Star Trek, it will be almost as if it stopped existing for them. Create your reality by choosing what you spend your money on, and choosing what is on the screens you look at!

    5. Re: In the interest of infringing further: by David_Hart · · Score: 1

      The last three JJ Abrams Star Trek movies (I think one of them may have been mis-labeled as a Star Wars movie) were beyond awful.

      Personally, I rather enjoyed the reboot movies... Much better than any of the Enterprise episodes...

    6. Re: In the interest of infringing further: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The last three Trek movies have been successful. Wildly so. They brought in a diverse audience, people who never heard of cared about Star Trek. They are more popular than anything belonging to the old franchise. You're in denial and a in a small and unimportant minority. Nobody cares what you nerds think and the box office has spoken. Any "boycott" you might try is doomed to failure. Enjoy marginalization, nerds. Oops, you've been "enjoying" it all your lives. :)

    7. Re: In the interest of infringing further: by TheReaperD · · Score: 1

      As much as I hate to admit it, you're probably right. The movies have been wildly successful by every margin that Hollywood cares about (money & blow jobs) and they did this by removing everything that made Star Trek what it was. Most of these elements required the audience to think and that's the last thing you and the masses want to do, even if you and they are capable. So what we ended up with was three Star Wars films with the names changed to avoid copyright issues. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy Star Wars but, it's mindless entertainment.

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  6. 2 15 minute episodes? by Captain+Ramage · · Score: 0

    This was an out and out capitulation. 2 15 minute episode instead of a 100 minute movie? Yeah, we are getting our contribution's worth there. CBS is going to kill Trek and fandom.

  7. Let's face it by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

    Axenar looked significantly better than anything Paramount/CBS has come up with in the past 20 years. They had to kill it.

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    1. Re:Let's face it by Psion · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They had to kill it because Alec Peters was obviously trying to make money off their property. CBS/Viacom was playing hands off on fan films for decades before this selfish bastard came along!

    2. Re:Let's face it by irving47 · · Score: 1

      I think I'm with you... But you seem to know more than I've heard/read. I got banned from their facebook page when I asked about the production studio and equipment that was paid for with the Axanar crowd-funding money. Was there something else, as well?

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    3. Re:Let's face it by irving47 · · Score: 1

      Damn straight. My buddy had me and another friend over to watch ST: Renegades... and we sat through it because, hey, Chekov, and all... Or whatever, it's Star Trek.... Then I said, "Well, that's cool, but check THIS out." (Played Axanar) They were both amazed how good it was in comparison.

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    4. Re:Let's face it by Psion · · Score: 2

      As I recall, the ledger that was leaked also included a salary for Peters, which is a big no-no in these cases, and probably the thing that pushed CBS over the line -- well, that and financing a studio to make more productions. He wasn't taking a huge a cut, I think it was in the $30k region, but it definitely made the Axanar project more than a not-for-profit fan film.

    5. Re:Let's face it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then I said, "Well, that's cool, but check THIS out." (Played Axanar) They were both amazed how good it was in comparison.

      Ironically, Prelude to Axanar is framed as a historical documentary, not something the cool Federation kids would want to watch unless they're forced to see it in school.

    6. Re:Let's face it by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 2

      Help me understand that one. What about Alec's efforts make it obvious he was trying to profit? Paying staff wages?

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    7. Re:Let's face it by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      What, they couldn't compete with Axanar by making their own star trek franchise again? There are still plenty of good stories to be made in the star trek universe. Hell, CBS could even reinvent the universe to make Axanar obsolete. Instead, they just slap down the legal papers and give up.

    8. Re:Let's face it by ZenShadow · · Score: 4, Informative

      How about paying himself a salary?

      The instant you do that, it's not a hobby anymore. It's a commercial enterprise.

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    9. Re:Let's face it by jordanjay29 · · Score: 1

      Rather than a leak, they purposefully published their finances, including salaries for Peters and his fulfillment manager.

    10. Re:Let's face it by jordanjay29 · · Score: 1

      CBS makes its own shows obsolete. See: Enterprise.

    11. Re:Let's face it by transami · · Score: 1

      Bunch of bullshit. CBS/Paramount can't smell an opportunity when it is shoved up their nose. They didn't have to kill it. They could have embraced it and turned into something legit and made boat loads of money. But CBS/Paramount hasn't treated the ST property right since day one when they practically stole it from Lucille Ball and immediately canceled the show. It has made money despite them only b/c the original idea was so good and true believers have sacrificed to keep it going. But Gene is dead, and Paramount let a non-believer reboot the films -- from which we got okay action films, but poor Trek films. That's quick money that won't last. Ticket sales of the latest movie are way down. Another mistake or two by CBS/Paramount and I think the franchise will be at an end.

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    12. Re:Let's face it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean his Fulfillment Manager / Girlfriend.

    13. Re:Let's face it by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 1

      Axanar Productions is a 501(c)(3) non-profit. All staff are employees and Alec was paid an earth-shattering $38K last year for his 60 hour work weeks. Mean while he guaranteed a $250K 3-year lease for the building housing the production set. Other staff have tossed large sums of personal money into the coffers as well. While the numbers themselves are in a different league, the business model is resemblant of grandmas selling their knit doilies at a craft fair to pay for more knitting supplies.

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    14. Re:Let's face it by ZenShadow · · Score: 1

      No. Just, no.

      Firstly, what I said above stands; even non-profits can be commercial enterprises.

      Secondly, Alec has claimed to be a non-profit. AFAIK, the filing was never actually started, let alone completed.

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  8. The Film by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 1

    To save some web searching, here is the movie on YouTube https://www.youtube.com/watch?... , and the web site for the production company: http://www.axanarproductions.c...

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  9. How is CBS and Paramount harmed by fan fiction? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The law may be on the side of CBS and Paramount, but I'd like to know how they're harmed by the production of fan fiction. There's a case to be made that use of trademarks may be a problem, but the companies chose not to pursue that issue. They focused on copyright. How did this harm them?

    Fan fiction doesn't reduce fan interest in the franchise and the works created by CBS and Paramount. Instead, it increases interest, by keeping fans interested in between series and movies and perhaps winning over new fans who might encounter the videos on Youtube. Thefan works are non-canon, and there's no reason why it would reduce the desire of fans for films that are considered canon. For example, Star Trek Continues makes use of most of the TOS characters played by different actors. I don't see any logical reason that Star Trek Continues would reduce interest in TOS, though. If anything, encountering that on Youtube might make viewers want to watch TOS and increase revenue for CBS and Paramount.

    How could there be any damages to CBS and Paramount? Those donations are to cover the cost of production, not for the creators to pocket the money. That money was never going to CBS and Paramount anyway, who don't solicit donations to pay for the cost of their films. Instead, the studios set a budget, invest that money, and get paid though advertising and at the box office (for movies).

    How were CBS and Paramount possibly harmed? And if they're not harmed, how could they collect any damages at all?

    1. Re:How is CBS and Paramount harmed by fan fiction? by irving47 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Well, apparently, the damages *could* be something like, "Hey, we can crowd-fund this cool Axanar thing, or we could go buy the Star Trek Beyond DVD..."

      As for the donations to cover production... It seems the sticking point was they used the money to pay for tangible equipment and a studio that could be considered profit. I'm not sure if that's accurate 100% or if there was something else.

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    2. Re:How is CBS and Paramount harmed by fan fiction? by Aighearach · · Score: 5, Informative

      They are very harmed if they wanted to make a mediocre movie about that part of the story, and there is already some higher-quality "fan" movie that uses their copyrighted material that they would have to compete with.

      It isn't hard to find a way that it harms them. I agree that fan fiction usually helps, but that isn't a guarantee, it isn't a law of the Universe that fan fiction can only help the company who owns the copyrights.

      It is a weak argument. There is no proof one way or the other what the effect will be, and will vary on a case-by-case basis. To even do the analysis you'd have to know what stories CBS/Paramount plan to tell in the future, and that will always be confidential, so you can't even do an analysis of it directly steps on their toes.

      Also, fans complain when new canon material contradicts popular fan material, and fans complain that if they didn't shut something down it is as if they had approved it for canon. It isn't obvious that encouraging or even passively allowing it doesn't change canon in the minds of viewers.

    3. Re:How is CBS and Paramount harmed by fan fiction? by mmell · · Score: 2
      Because now CBS/Paramount can't independently come up with that idea. Not that they would've, but if they had the could no longer do it without suffering comparisons to the fanfic.

      Had Alec Peters kept it non-profit, there's a really good chance CBS/Paramount would've ignored him. Hell, they may even quietly have been grateful to him for pumping more life into the Star Trek franchise. Star Trek Continues is a fine example of such a not-for-profit venture. For the record, JJ Abrams made some interesting space opera movies, but they were decidedly not Star Trek.

    4. Re:How is CBS and Paramount harmed by fan fiction? by LeftCoastThinker · · Score: 1

      Just call it a parody highlighting the lack of plot and poor writing of Star Trek Beyond using contrast. Parody is largely protected from copyright and Paramount CBS can go suck eggs.

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    5. Re:How is CBS and Paramount harmed by fan fiction? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This case isn't fan fiction. Don't be taken in by their double-speak. This is an attempt to create a commercial product using protected IP by using different words for financial transactions - and with paid staff. Tossers like this ruin the genuine fan communities.

    6. Re:How is CBS and Paramount harmed by fan fiction? by CanEHdian · · Score: 1

      Just call it a parody highlighting the lack of plot and poor writing of Star Trek Beyond using contrast. Parody is largely protected from copyright and Paramount CBS can go suck eggs.

      Hey that's an awesome idea, create a parody Star Trek movie short (29 min, 59 seconds) where the plot is that the "C.B.S. Enterprise" (Copyright Barristers' Ship), under captain T'Sapf enters the timeline from an alternate universe and sues the Federation for infringing 'their' IP rights (i.e. their continued existence) as per their "Paramount Directive". And as per Grand Council's order, are allowed to end their existence. Our hero (TBD) and his crew are to enter the alternate universe, navigate to their HQ (situated on the moon 'Ves', in orbit around planet Leslie) and resolve the issue.

      Would we still have this issue if copyright term was limited to 2 x 14 = 28 years? I think not.

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    7. Re:How is CBS and Paramount harmed by fan fiction? by LeftCoastThinker · · Score: 1

      I would crowd fund it ;-)

      http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/...

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  10. Some odd things in their guidelines by benlwilson · · Score: 2

    Some odd things in their guidelines

    "Videos must not include profanity, nudity, obscenity, pornography, depictions of drugs, alcohol, tobacco, or any harmful or illegal activity.

    Data has said "shit" in startrek before.
    There has been some nudity in a couple of episodes, bum shots.
    The entire crew of the enterprise got intoxicated on drugs in more than one occasion.
    Some startrek drinks contain alcohol.
    I'm sure there have been characters on the holodeck smoking tobacco before.
    And.. if you can't show any "harmful or illegal activity" then anyone being murdered is out. No spaceships blowing up and killing anyone, unless it was accidental.

    "uniforms, accessories, toys and props must be official merchandise and not bootleg items or imitations of such commercially available products"

    This also seems a bit problematic, official merch/toys is often inferior to fan made props

    1. Re:Some odd things in their guidelines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      House rules don't apply to the owner.

    2. Re:Some odd things in their guidelines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There was so much Seven of Nine porn back in the 90's.

      I've had no luck with the official mech, especially the ability of the clothing to cover my belly. I really don't want to be another guy at the convention with his belly poking out of his uniform. I had to custom make my shirt.

    3. Re:Some odd things in their guidelines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Try quoting the whole thing:

      "If the fan production uses commercially-available Star Trek uniforms, accessories, toys and props, these items must be official merchandise and not bootleg items or imitations of such commercially available products."

      This isn't about "fan made props". It's about buying "bootleg" imitations of official products.

      The purpose is so fan films don't give publicity to people selling bootleg merch - or, probably more specifically in line with the intent, so that fan films cannot be created as advertising for bootleg merch.

      If a fan production uses custom made props, then this clause does not apply.

      However, this clause WOULD be easier to read if it just read "A fan production must not use commercial bootlegs of Star Trek uniforms, accessories, toys and props".

    4. Re:Some odd things in their guidelines by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Shit isn't considered universally profane, it is only profane in certain contexts. Obviously they would allow uses of "shit" that are similar to how Data used it in the story.

      Obviously, "partial nudity" of the same equivalent rating-level as has been featured in Star Trek would be acceptable. "Nudity" and "partial nudity" are not actually the same thing, and those "bum" shots are probably not even shots of naked actors. You would have to understand the American English meaning of these words, and American standards of what is acceptable in various types of media sources. Nudity is not allowed on broadcast American television, and everything ever show on Star Trek is acceptable for broadcast on American television; Star Trek has never shown nudity. They have at times implied nudity and shown lots of skin, but that is something different.

      The only ones in the list that actually make an appearance on Star Trek are alcohol and illegal activities, and there is clear that they don't want the full possible range of those activities to be featured; they approve some uses of alcohol, but others would never have been shown. Same for illegal activities; they handle those stories with a certain type of sensitivity. Obviously, if you really wanted to do it and were going to handle it in the way that they would approve of, you'd have to talk to them and convince them to give you a waiver.

    5. Re:Some odd things in their guidelines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shit isn't considered universally profane, it is only profane in certain contexts. Obviously they would allow uses of "shit" that are similar to how Data used it in the story.

      Data said "shit" in a movie and not on broadcast TV.

      Picard used to say "merde" on TV but he stopped doing that.

    6. Re:Some odd things in their guidelines by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      After that silhouette of Uhura I have to agree with the ban on nudity.

  11. Re: We are now under rump rule... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I live in Seattle so the steaming video links to what rump said is unobtainable. We are blocked from participating in politics.

  12. Seriously wtf by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sure, I understand that you can copyright a story. But fucking Vulcan ears?

    1. Re:Seriously wtf by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Maybe you can use Magog ears instead. Who owns the rights to Andromeda?

    2. Re:Seriously wtf by CCarrot · · Score: 1

      Sure, I understand that you can copyright a story. But fucking Vulcan ears?

      What I don't get is how people know these particular pointed ear props are Vulcan and not Elven. Maybe Nintendo should be talking to them for impersonating Link...

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    3. Re:Seriously wtf by tepples · · Score: 1

      Link's not an elf; he's a Hylian. The Zelda universe has its own counterpart to wood elves, called Kokiri. Link in Ocarina of Time was raised by Kokiri.

      But at least CBS and Paramount have decided to embrace fan creativity by publishing guidelines for what constitutes an acceptable fan work. Nintendo doesn't at all.

  13. Stardate 47xxx by jijitus · · Score: 1

    Stardate 47634.44 would be in the middle of Star Trek: The Next Generation 7th season. But no Picard? Fake!

    1. Re:Stardate 47xxx by jbssrepairs · · Score: 1

      Right? I'm pretty sure our current Stardate is in the negative seeing as how we haven't even adopted it yet... let alone achieved warp.

  14. Loophole for #7? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The fan production must be family friendly and suitable for public presentation. Videos must not include profanity, nudity, obscenity, pornography, depictions of drugs, alcohol, tobacco, or any harmful or illegal activity, or any material that is offensive, fraudulent, defamatory, libelous, disparaging, sexually explicit, threatening, hateful, or any other inappropriate content. The content of the fan production cannot violate any individual’s right of privacy.

    But can it say that a particular scene depicts profanity, nudity, obscenity, etc etc, because the alien race in that scene considers the events unfolding to be of that nature?

    1. Re:Loophole for #7? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Viewers are too frelling stupid to understand aliens who have different cultural standards of nudity.

  15. Vulcan ears copyrightable elements? by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    Everyone knows they were modeled on depictions of demons having pointed ears.

    1. Re:Vulcan ears copyrightable elements? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And now CBS owns pointed ears, just like the BBC owns phone booths.

    2. Re:Vulcan ears copyrightable elements? by 0xdeaddead · · Score: 1

      Police boxes.

    3. Re:Vulcan ears copyrightable elements? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Police boxes were phone booths, and both are obsolete since everyone uses mobiles.

    4. Re: Vulcan ears copyrightable elements? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now british cops can lock up suspects in their mobile phones.

  16. You need to do a bit of research. by mmell · · Score: 4, Interesting
    My research indicates that Alec Peters was violating nearly every guideline set out by CBS/Paramount in a for-profit venture. His good work will therefore go to waste (as it should). This is why Axenar is now subject to injunctive limitations.

    Star Trek Continues also violates those same guidelines (high-quality props/sets/uniforms instead of toy-store quality items, professional acting/directing/scriptwriting, episode length and continuity, etc.) and so could well be sued. However, Trek Continues is creating this content in an explicitly not-for-profit context. Trek Continues therefore is holding high hopes that CBS will choose not to exercise their legal rights against them.

    Since CBS/Paramount and the Star Trek franchise are not demonstrably hurt by the Trek Continues production (and suing them might well result in such damage), the people associated with Trek Continues have said publicly that they intend to create the full eleven episode run which they originally set out to publish - intended to fill the gap between the episode Turnabout Intruder and Star Trek: The Motion Picture. They've also pointed out that just because CBS/Paramount can sue them doesn't mean they will sue them. They've said that they have sufficient funding and resources to complete and publish the remaining four episodes. While there's a lot if if coming off this, I share their hopes. CBS/Paramount would do vastly more to harm their interests by suing than they might gain from injunctive relief in this case. But - yes, Alec Peters tried to stick his fingers in the cookie jar, so to speak, and risked ruining a lot of great fan fiction for all of us.

    1. Re:You need to do a bit of research. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The thing is those guidelines did not exist until Alec Peters tried to profit from Axanar. Star Trek Continues used to be in the clear simply because they are non-profit.

    2. Re:You need to do a bit of research. by swillden · · Score: 1

      Star Trek Continues also violates those same guidelines (high-quality props/sets/uniforms instead of toy-store quality items, professional acting/directing/scriptwriting

      Have you seen Star Trek Continues? Cheesy plots, lousy acting, terrible effects and you can't tell me their props, uniforms and sets don't look like toys.

      It's like a low-budget 1960s vision of space travel.

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    3. Re:You need to do a bit of research. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you seen ToS (ideally the Blu-ray edition because it's the most comparable in terms of video quality). Cheesy plots, lousy acting, terrible effects and you can't tell me their props, uniforms and sets don't look like toys.

    4. Re:You need to do a bit of research. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you seen Star Trek ToS? Cheesy plots, lousy acting, terrible effects and you can't tell me their props, uniforms and sets don't look like toys.

      It's like a low-budget 1960s vision of space travel.

    5. Re:You need to do a bit of research. by swillden · · Score: 1

      Have you seen Star Trek ToS? Cheesy plots, lousy acting, terrible effects and you can't tell me their props, uniforms and sets don't look like toys.

      It's like a low-budget 1960s vision of space travel.

      Whoooosh!

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  17. You can stop funding the people that harm you. by jbn-o · · Score: 1

    A perfect example of the point I made earlier and previously when talking about Star Wars under Disney versus under Lucas. Not funding your own oppression is hardly radical, it's quite sensible to recognize that politics are very much a part of the matter involved in dealing with corporate media (such as Hollywood movies and TV shows). This also isn't a matter of seeking perfection -- if /.ers stop paying to see Star Trek we don't take down Paramount -- that argument puts more power in your hands than you have (flattery) and then tries to argue how you shouldn't use that power to get what you (presumably) want: more Star Trek-related works and the option of being a participant in that, not just a consumer. It's a matter of recognizing whether you want your money to go toward organizations that needlessly restrict their biggest fans from celebrating the work or organizations that show they're not jerks by letting the derivative works coexist and even considering them a challenge to come up with better plots, interesting characters, and another innovative series.

    1. Re:You can stop funding the people that harm you. by ZenShadow · · Score: 1

      In my view, having followed this from the beginning, Paramount's most likely motivation was to protect the consumers.

      Couple of interesting points:
      1. They never sued Renegades, even though they had highly recognizable names in it. And that's a completed movie, not an "in production" movie.
      2. They never sued Horizon, another completed movie, and one that was leaps and bounds more watchable than Renegades IMO, especially given the minimal budget.

      There is a lot of speculation that Peters has not put the 1.4 million dollars he raised toward the actual film, but instead toward various personal expenses, the construction of a studio intended for commercial use, and the lawsuit of course (pro bono isn't actually free). Donor money should not have gone to any of those things (though in the case of the studio, it could just be a case of poor judgement on his part; rental studios are a dime a dozen in Hollywood, and far cheaper than building your own).

      Lo and behold, it's only Axanar they went after.

      My guess? I think they were concerned about the Star Trek brand being associated with a con man. Do some research on Alec Peters; at best, you'll find a great many questions (even if you ignore the legitimate haters -- and there are FAR fewer of those than Peters himself would have you believe).

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  18. ST Continues by TheGoodNamesWereGone · · Score: 1

    ST Continues was very well made, and most importantly, well-acted. It's now dead because of this crap

    1. Re:ST Continues by lord_mike · · Score: 1

      Read my comment above. It still lives, at least for the time being...

  19. Selling tickets at a profit isn't typical "fan fic by raymorris · · Score: 1

    The guidelines they set out are sufficient that another company isn't allowed to have Star Trek TV show.

    In this particular case, actually the guy WAS pocketing the money, which was the biggest issue. You can still make fan fiction if you want, you just can't sell tickets to a professionally-produced full-length feature film starring well-known actors b without getting permission first.

  20. Read the guidelines, they're reasonable by raymorris · · Score: 1

    > The only thing I can read from this is that in order to meet CBS/Viacom/Paramount requirements, it can't retain any of the Star Trek elements we'd like to see

    Read the actual guidelines rather than reading between the lines of the Slashdot summary. IF you want to use all the Star Trek trademarks and copyright stuff, you're not allowed to dob the following, unless you ask permission first:

    Sell tickets
    Have a long-running TV show with many episodes
    Buy knock-off costumes (you can make them or buy licensed costumes)
    Hire professional actors and crew

  21. A perfect breakdown by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This was the only Trek property I wanted to see. It was really, really good. Why didn't they just hire them?

  22. Broken Copyright by LeftCoastThinker · · Score: 1

    (Liberal snow flakes please just move to read the next comment and keep your mod phasers set to stun). This whole thing just highlights what is fundamentally wrong with copyright. This is a cut and dried example of how the ridiculously long copyright laws supported by both establishment parties are stifling and robbing our culture and are only for the enrichment of a few. This is the system that Barak Hussain Obama defended and did not fix for the last 8 years. We will have to see what the next administration brings.

    We badly need to reform the system to something reasonable and in line with the original intent. Star Trek first aired in 1966, and it's creator is now dead. Reasonable copyright of 40 years from the creation date would put the Star Trek universe squarely in the public domain, while subsequent movies would still be protected for 40 years from their first showing. Nothing will change though if we the people just keep on bending over and taking it.

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    1. Re:Broken Copyright by tepples · · Score: 1

      This is the system that Barak Hussain Obama defended and did not fix for the last 8 years. We will have to see what the next administration brings.

      Likewise President Bush for eight years. Neither of them did anything about it because neither of them could. U.S. copyright policy is in the hands of the legislative branch. The US Patent and Trademark Office is part of the Department of Commerce, but the Copyright Office is part of the Library of Congress. Blame the Republican senators and the Democratic senators. Better yet, blame the incumbent publishers that provide campaign contributions, super PAC contributions, and in-kind donations of coverage on their affiliated TV news outlets.

    2. Re:Broken Copyright by LeftCoastThinker · · Score: 1

      If you have a president who is a leader (not a spoiled child) they are typically the leader of their party, and they set much of the legislative agenda. Bush inherited a recession (dot com bubble) from Clinton and then had 9-11. His hands were full. Beyond that, Bush was a conservative, and copyright is good for businesses, thus he was not going to shorten it. Obama, on the other hand, purported to be for the people, aka. a populist, but contrary to his rhetoric, he did jack shit on out of control patents and copyright. Trump is now president, and he is a true populist (what Obama claimed to be). Just today he killed TPP, as Obama should have done a long time ago. People have to stop looking at the D or R after someone's name and pay attention to what they are doing.

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  23. One problem... by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

    I get all your comments that it violated copyright. And I agree that he was selling model kits and taking a salary.
    It was a bad scene.

    The problem is that Axenar was one of the best star trek treatments I've seen since Wrath of Khan.
    It felt RIGHT.
    It sent shivers up and down my spine.

    In a different world, CBS and Paramount would have have had Peters and the original crew make it as a real film as their employees in a regular setting.

    And that would have also probably ruined it. Too big a budget ruins so many films.

    And the premise may not have stood up to a full 90 to 110 minute film.

    I could even see a partnership between kickstarters willing to invest money so it got made and recieve blue/ray copies on release into theatres and cbs/paramount who wouldn't have to spend nearly as much and just distribute it for profit.

    They could have had stretch goals funded by higher box office gross receipts. (like a copy of the ship... a uniform... props. etc.)

    As a star fleet battles player, it was really nice to see the battles were implemented with star fleet battles in mind (and perhaps actually played out with SFB in mind).

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  24. Typical studio assholes! by DatbeDank · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If anything, the film maker should have been granted a reasonable license fee from the studio for using the copyrighted works. We all know the reboot is trash and here we have someone going back to the series' roots to make something new.

    1. Re:Typical studio assholes! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The studio in charge of the trashy reboots can't risk allowing this guy to continue because his high quality works could supplant the trashy reboots. The last thing they want is an upstart film maker getting his foot in the door and making it big.

    2. Re:Typical studio assholes! by Solandri · · Score: 1

      If you're going to invest your time and money in a creative endeavor, don't base it on someone else's property. That puts you completely at their mercy. Just like Zynga is completely at the mercy of Facebook, you are completely at the mercy of CBS/Paramount if you make Star Trek fiction. They own the creative works, they get to decide what should be granted a reasonable license, not you and me. If they want to be asses about it, they can.

      Fanfics are fine since they represent a minimal investment of your time and resources. But if you're going to put enough effort and money into it to make a feature film, you really should be creating your own sci-fi universe. Or before you start production, you can negotiate with CBS/Paramount for a license to use their universe. Intellectual property law is completely made-up, so it isn't grounded by real-world physical limits and economics. That means it doesn't fall under the "easier to beg forgiveness than it is to get permission" rule.

  25. Commander's Diary, Startime 4637A.Q by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 3, Funny

    My Valcun first officer tells me we're running the risk of Klangon attack, but I never listen to that pointy-nosed pink-blooded twerp.

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    1. Re:Commander's Diary, Startime 4637A.Q by mjwx · · Score: 1

      My Valcun first officer tells me we're running the risk of Klangon attack, but I never listen to that pointy-nosed pink-blooded twerp.

      Ironically you should mention this.

      The series Andromeda was based on unused material from Gene Roddenberry, much of which was from Star Trek so its no surprise that a lot of it was very similar (I.E. Commonwealth == Federation and Nietzschiens == Klingons). However it was picked up by another production company so someone ran a find/replace through it just enough to avoid Paramount's lawyers.

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    2. Re:Commander's Diary, Startime 4637A.Q by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No.
      The show was officially called "Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda". The show was produced by Majel Barrett, Roddenberry's widow. She made the material available for development.

  26. Paramount Movies has no honor! by Chuckmcgee · · Score: 1

    Wouldn't copyrighting a language run afoul of the First Amendment ? I would like to see the results of a lawsuit of this

    1. Re:Paramount Movies has no honor! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's an artificial language created for a movie originally, so it's IP.
      Also, it has nothing to do with the First Amendment.

  27. You need to do a bit more research. by jeepies · · Score: 1

    You can't follow guidelines that don't exist. Those were created specifically to hinder Axanar after the lawsuit was already in progress.

    1. Re: You need to do a bit more research. by mmell · · Score: 3

      Sure those guidelines existed - it's called copyright law.

    2. Re: You need to do a bit more research. by radiumsoup · · Score: 1

      Exactly. The guidelines are permissive exceptions to copyright law that CBS/Paramount wrote in order to specifically allow fan films within certain boundaries. If the guidelines hadn't been published, then all ST fan fiction would be subject to taketown notices.

    3. Re: You need to do a bit more research. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Copyright law only matters if it's enforced, which they weren't before Axanar. CBS/Paramount was perfectly happy to let fan films be until Alec Peters blew it all and forced them to lay down the heavy restrictions.

    4. Re: You need to do a bit more research. by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      ...and that too was ignored by EVERY other fan film project out there.

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    5. Re: You need to do a bit more research. by LordLucless · · Score: 1

      Not even the lawyers are sure which bits were and were not in violation of copyright law. They wouldn't have known until after decisions had been rendered at court. Are Vulcan ears copyrightable? Or are they a derivative work from older elf-ears? The world will never know.

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  28. If Paramount were smart... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They would buy the movie and release it professional since by all accounts it's better than what Paramount has been producing.

  29. Too bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It would be different for me if CBS and Paramount were actively engaged (pun intended) in producing ongoing Trek material. The new reboot movies notwithstanding don't cut it completely, though they are "nice". We've been without a Trek series for many years, fans are sick of the franchise going to hell due to lack of initiative by the studios. This is really about money, at the end of the day. So CBS and Paramount sit on the rights to Trek, but have no plans to really do much about it, except litigate. Go figure.

  30. Re:Selling tickets at a profit isn't typical "fan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm the same AC as before, and as I've read over the comments and looked into the issue on my own, it seems like Axanar was for profit. I can see why CBS/Paramount would oppose that and how they might have a legitimate claim. However, I also stand behind my view that truly non-profit fan fiction doesn't harm CBS/Paramount in any way. The regulations provided by CBS/Paramount are restrictive enough to eliminate other high-quality fan fiction that isn't for profit. Star Trek Continues also violates the guidelines, but I have a hard time seeing how their copyright infringement is harmful to CBS/Paramount in any significant way. There's no question that Star Trek Continues is non-profit, but the scale and quality of their production runs afoul of the restrictions. I believe those rules are unnecessarily restrictive, should CBS/Paramount choose to enforce them.

    I think it would be far more enlightened to say that all fan fiction must be non-profit, and anything beyond the restrictions imposed must give CBS/Paramount a royalty-free license to distribute and profit off the work. By that, I mean that I'd have no problem if CBS wanted to broadcast Star Trek Continues or use clips of it in their own productions. Effectively, it would be CBS/Paramount saying that, if you infringe our copyrights and you to it well enough, we might take your work and make it canon. That would be cool and an enlightened approach to dealing with the issue, IMO. Seeing as recent Star Trek productions have been of a pretty low quality, it would might well be good for the Star Trek franchise. I've watched all seven episodes of Star Trek Continues, and they're very well done. I expect the 11 planned episodes of that fan-produced series will actually be better than the 13 episodes of Star Trek Discovery that CBS has committed to.

  31. And Star Wars isn't a Star Trek rippoff ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Deathstar was preceeded by the Fesarius of the First Federation in Novemeber 1966, almost 11 years to the day when Star Wars premeiered !

    I think they profited.. just a Little

    The Enteprise Saucer was a rippoff of the Forbidden Planet D57

    The military and spacesuits a rippoff of the Forbidden Planet space corps

    I think CBS/Paramount protests a little too much.. looks to me like 10 years and rippoff is fair game.

    What about Data and Robby the Robot?

  32. Can still ask permission, or fair use by raymorris · · Score: 1

    It is perhaps worth noting that the guidelines are an additional grant of license by Paramount / CBS. People who want to do something outside of those guidelines can still ask permission, and I suspect it would be granted if it were in the same spirit as what the guidelines envision.

    Of course, people can also still make Fair Use works, and "not for profit" gets you halfway to fair use.

    > Star Trek Continues also violates the guidelines, but I have a hard time seeing how their copyright infringement is harmful to CBS/Paramount in any significant way.

    It appears CBS and Paramount may agree with you - they haven't taken any enforcement action against Star Trek Continues, as far as I know.

    I don't think CBS and Paramount could announce a policy of allowing "non-profit" use with professional cast and crew. They can be forced to honor whatever policy they publish, and a producer could pay himself a salary of $1 million. No "profit", that's his salary as professional producer.

  33. Great. He should profit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The problem here is the overreach of copyright law. It is being used to stifle innovation and the advancement of creative works.

    We are talking about violation by tangentially referencing a 40+ year old body of work.

  34. Re: We are now under rump rule... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You probably work as a maintenance man too. Too dumb to participate anyway.