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Two-Thirds of Americans Give Priority To Developing Alternative Energy Over Fossil Fuels (pewresearch.org)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Pew Research Center: A new Pew Research Center survey finds that 65% of Americans give priority to developing alternative energy sources, compared with 27% who would emphasize expanded production of fossil fuel sources. Support for concentrating on alternative energy is up slightly since December 2014. At that time, 60% said developing alternative energy sources was the more important priority. There continue to be wide political differences on energy priorities. While a 2016 Pew Research Center survey found large majorities of Democrats and Republicans supported expanding both wind and solar energy, the new survey shows that Democrats remain far more likely than Republicans to stress that developing alternative energy should take priority over developing fossil fuel sources. About eight-in-ten (81%) Democrats and independents who lean to the Democratic Party favor developing alternative sources instead of expanding production from fossil fuel sources. Republicans and Republican-leaning independents are closely divided: 45% say the more important priority should be developing alternative sources, while 44% say expanding production of oil, coal and natural gas should be given more priority. There also are differences in public priorities about energy by age. Americans under the age of 50 are especially likely to support alternative energy sources over expanding fossil fuels. About seven-in-ten (73%) of those ages 18 to 49 say developing alternative sources of energy should be the more important priority, while 22% say expanding production of fossil fuels should be the more important priority. Older adults are more divided in their views, though they also give more priority to alternatives. Among those 50 and older, 55% say alternative energy development is more important, while 34% say it's more important to expand production of fossil fuel energy sources.

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  1. Contrast this with the incoming administration by JoshuaZ · · Score: 5, Insightful
    1. Re:Contrast this with the incoming administration by sit1963nz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well you have to understand, when it comes to voters Franklin has more votes than Grant who has more votes than Jackson who has more votes than Hamilton who has more votes than Lincoln who has more votes than Washington who has more votes than the people who did not contribute to election funds sufficiently for anyone (Read Trump) to care. You have to understand there are REAL Americans (the wealthy) and there are american voters (those that can be exploited by the wealthy)

    2. Re:Contrast this with the incoming administration by Mashiki · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I'll bet you're right there saying that the US should break from middle eastern oil supplies tho. What do you think his policy is going to do? That's right, break the ME stranglehold on supply and distribution. That's good in my book. That only way that things are going to be fixed in that region is if their one-trick source which enables them to have a stranglehold on policy making is broken. Round that out that it will put pressure on them to "modernize" and grant rights to the other half of their population(women), and with any luck help break the on-going legal slave trade that still exists there.

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    3. Re:Contrast this with the incoming administration by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Fossil fuels and alternative energy are rather passe. What we really need is ambient, decentralized energy solutions.

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    4. Re:Contrast this with the incoming administration by BradMajors · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Stop will the liberal propaganda.

      Trump is refusing a salary and is working for $1 per year. He has resigned from all positions with his companies. His companies will not do any major international deals. Trump is losing a huge amount of money by becoming the President.

      Not that the facts matter.

    5. Re: Contrast this with the incoming administration by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Stop will the liberal propaganda.

      Stop denying the corruption of Trump.

      Trump is refusing a salary and is working for $1 per year.

      That's contradictory, but let's see, why should I care about that? That's a mere 400,000 a year. A pittance of the federal budget.

      I'd rather he take the salary and live on it instead of accessing his other assets anyway. It'd be more fitting and less prone to questions.

      He has resigned from all positions with his companies.

      He's retained ownership positions and left control in his children's hands.

      Exactly how different is that? Who do you think is going to know everything he does in advance?

      His companies will not do any major international deals.

      Those golf courses and hotels are staying open, and I suspect lots of domestic deals will occur.

      Mysteriously unscrutinzed ones.

      After all, you still don't care about his tax returns. Oh but, Hillary, Hillary is crooked.

      Trump is losing a huge amount of money by becoming the President.

      If so, all the more reason to make friends now, ones who owe him something.

      Though honestly, he'd never claim that, you know it'd make him look bad. He'll just lie about some purported sacrifices while suddenly becoming enriched.

      Not that you'd know. He still hasn't reported his assets.

      Not that the facts matter.

      Not when the Trump team is offering "alternative facts" instead.

      Those are more important to you.

    6. Re:Contrast this with the incoming administration by Mashiki · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So how's that environmentalism and nimbyism working in the US for you then? You know the same people who protest against offshore windfarms or nuclear power plants, or hydroelectric. Right. Solar is getting no where near to the price of coal. We're still paying 0.528kWh for solar here in Ontario, the price we were paying for coal when the last plant shut down was 0.043kWh.

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    7. Re:Contrast this with the incoming administration by Mashiki · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not so much considering who owns most of the stock on those oil companies.

      Teachers unions and pension companies(divisions)? Because that's who owns most of those stocks in those companies.

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    8. Re:Contrast this with the incoming administration by Mashiki · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Guess you can tell that to the people who are paying $700/mo for electricity and their kids are bundled up in coats because they can't afford the electricity to heat right? You're basically saying "fuck the poor, it's their own fault that they have electric heat." You really have no scope or scale of size of just how big Canada is and how much colder it gets here. So let's compare with say Germany, where your average winter temperature is 3C or UK? 5C. Where the average winter temperature in Ontario is -4C(the southern part), the northern part hit a balmy -10C...on average. Or how about Alberta? -12C still nice and warm right? That's not going to have an impact. How about when it hits -40C still good?

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  2. Depends who pays by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The majority of Americans will support anything as long as someone else pays for it. If you ask them if they are willing to pay an extra 5 cents per gallon of gas to pay for alternative energy, of course they will say no.

    1. Re:Depends who pays by fred6666 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The majority of Americans will also support anything as long as someone else suffers from the consequence of their pollution. Actually, they suffer too but a large part is exported to other countries so they don't care as much as they should. That's why we need the government to set limits (cap and trade) or taxes to change habits of selfish people who would rather save 5/gallon even if it meant polluting 10x more.

    2. Re:Depends who pays by david_bonn · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's not economical when you take out the subsidies for solar/wind and the targeted overbearing rules that drive up the price of coal.
      Put a number on pollution - all pollution including manufacturing those solar cells, not just local burning gas - then we'll talk.
      Expensive Green = Brown

      ... and of course fossil fuels are never, ever subsidized?

  3. But renewables are cheaper than fossil fuels by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How much business sense does it make to invest in cheaper and cleaner energy instead of expensive tax-subsidized pollution-heavy energy that can't exist without taxpayer subsidized mining leases on public lands and non-accounting of pollution costs?

    I mean Big Government demands we do the worst possible most expensive fossil fuel version!

    If we don't Fill The Swamp with massive tax subsidies for old Soviet-style fossil fuels, we might become independent of the Middle East!

    And then what excuse will we have to start foreign wars to make billionaires richer at the cost of American blood and treasure?

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  4. Your fuel is ridiculously cheap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    To be fair on those affected by the resulting pollution, fuel prices should more than double. That people could care or complain about a measly 1 cent per litre (as you suggest) beggars belief.

  5. Captain, that's illogical by presidenteloco · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "65% of Americans give priority to developing alternative energy sources"

    Too bad those 65% don't vote for what they want, apparently.

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    1. Re:Captain, that's illogical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It wouldn't matter if they did vote, honestly.

      The voting public doesn't vote for individuals based upon their merit - they vote for their team, no matter who is put on the ballot, and they stick to the two main parties, no matter what. It could be Stalin (D) vs. Hitler (R) with George Washington as a third-party candidate. Dems would overwhelmingly vote Stalin, Repubs would overwhelmingly vote Hitler, and all of them would consider George Washington a wasted vote.

    2. Re:Captain, that's illogical by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The problem, and not just in the US, is that you end up with a couple choices in which you have to make the best decision from. When you make your vote you are picking the person or party that best represents* their views on the issues. But no candidate will perfectly reflect what the voter wishes so there will always be some compromises. Unfortunately the source of electricity generation tends to come lower down on the list of priorities and won't prevent a candidate from being elected.

      I'd like to see a set of referendum type questions that would guide the elected government no matter who won. I don't know how it would be enforced. There would be questions like
      - What should the focus of the government be (Job growth, debt reduction, ...)
      - Should the government run a deficit? (No, Small 2%, Med 5%)
      - Where should new electricity be generated (Fossil fuels, Nuclear, Wind & Solar, ...)

      * - I'm talking about a person that has researched the issues and not one that just votes for a party because they always have or their family always has.

  6. I like alternative energy by presidenteloco · · Score: 4, Insightful

    but you apparently prefer "alternative facts", which, as Merriam-Webster corp. tweeted today, are not, you know, actually, facts.

    Just as one easy counter-example, you can build a solar-panel-building factory in the sahara desert, converting local sand into silicon solar panels, using nothing but the energy from the sun to power the factory and the construction vehicles, after a short initial pre-sustainable bootstrapping period.

    Also, the environmental cost of just shipping fossil fuels from producing country to consuming country currently dwarfs all of those environmental costs you mention, and that doesn't even count the environmental costs of burning said fossil fuels.

    So one has to question the motivation behind your remarks. Are you a driver of an embarrassingly oversized "tru-u-oo-u-uck" used only for grocery hauling, or a paid fossil-fuel industry shill?

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  7. Then do your homework? by s.petry · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm certainly no expert on the topic, but the things you're describing here sounds like one time costs - ie, the pollution created only occurs once, unlike fossil fuels which continue to produce the pollution.

    Trump has not banned alternative energy but welcomed it. He repeatedly stated that he wants to unleash all forms of domestic energy, not just Coal. This will break the energy dependency we have had for.. 50 years or so and reduce energy costs in the US. The propagandists won't repeat that part of his policy statements or speeches though, because that does not fit the agenda.

    It really helps to study _all_ sides of the debate.

    As to the "one time costs" it's not quite so simple. Storing nuclear waste is extremely expensive and horrible for the environment without considering failures like Fukushima, Chernobyl, or 3 Mile Island. I find Nuclear to be the best option, but it's a massive investment to bring a plant up and work out the logistics of waste disposal.

    Wind and Solar require huge amounts of land resources for roads and cabling. The large amount of cabling needed for them means higher maintenance costs. Making Cable requires huge amounts of heat, and a whole lot more pollution. Geothermal requires killing off rare ecosystems to trap the heat. Tidal plants requires destroying and interrupting large areas of the coast. Each of those has it's own unique maintenance challenges, and are very expensive to maintain as well but for different reasons.

    Yes, petroleum has nasty gasses that hit the atmosphere. Is it worse than any others? Yes, but the amount of difference is not as big of a margin as people want you to believe.

    Everything has a cost and every aspect of energy can be argued against and for.

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  8. Re:Any opinions on thorium? by olau · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Not an expert, but as far as I understand, the problem with the molten-salt reactors is in the name: you have really hot, radioactive molten salt you need to deal with, and that's just a hard problem in many aspects.

    Many of the presentations seem to come from people interested in the physics, and for that kind of people, it's just a set of engineering problems.

    But the thing is that you don't just need to solve them, you also need to do that in a manner that is competitive with traditional nuclear plants and renewables like solar and wind. And renewables are getting cheaper every year.

    So it's a really, really tough problem. Don't trust the hype.

  9. Re:Whoosh... by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 1, Insightful

    They may have voted, but if 65% wanted priority given to alternative energy sources over fossil fuel development, yet half of all the voters, roughly, voted for the candidate who is "Captain Coal", then clearly, a lot of people voted AGAINST THEIR OWN INTEREST.

    Right, because Hillary would have totally owned this one <eyeroll>

    The Democrats idea for promoting "alternate energy" is giving large sums of money to Democrat donors like Solyndra. It doesn't actually help anybody except the cronies and the party, in case you're wondering.

  10. Re:Whoosh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I always hear this argument and it ticks me off. Mostly because it is bullshit. Here's the thing: I didn't go to the polls, vote for the president, and leave. I voted on no less than TWENTY THREE items. Some national, some state, some local. Many of the local results (as an example, a bond referrendum to build a new police station) were w/in the 3000ish range with 20K votes reporting in. The Florida Solar amendment was barely defeated. Sure, the presidential and senatorial races are mostly pre-decided, but we had a tight city council race based primarily on the question "are we going to be a fancy town, or a rural town?". The citizens decided (fancy town, debt, higher taxes, more parks, high-rent shop district), but only because they voted. Many people stated opinions on the matter (no more traffic! I hate apartments!), but without voting it doesn't mean anything. Sure, the Senate/President portion of the election is mostly decided, but many of the important daily issues to ME (the school board official for school I drive by daily, my property taxes to pay for a police station, the downtown revitalization project) are far from decided.