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Apple Is Moving Its Entire International iTunes Business To Ireland (billboard.com)

Starting February 5th, Apple will be moving its entire international iTunes business from Luxembourg to its European headquarters in Cork, Ireland, according to a note sent to developers this week. The non-U.S. iTunes business consists of Apple Music and the individual stores for iTunes, iBooks and Apps. Internationally, iTunes is available in over 140 countries, while Apple Music is streaming in roughly 115 territories. Billboard reports: Apple announced its intentions to move its iTunes biz to Ireland in September when it transferred an estimated $9 billion of iTunes assets. At that time it also shuffled all existing developer contracts to Ireland-based Apple Distribution International. Like Luxembourg, Ireland is known for being a low-tax haven for international businesses. Last month, both Apple and Ireland announced they would appeal a record $14 billion tax bill from the European Commission, which earlier found it had been underpaying tax on profits across the European bloc from 2003 to 2014. Apple today is the biggest private employer in Cork, the Irish Republic's second-largest city, with a workforce exceeding 5,500. Economists estimate Apple's Cork operation pumps around $17 billion annually in salaries, tax and investment into the Irish economy.

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  1. So that's, what by rsilvergun · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Two guys and a duck? They're moving one tax dodge to another tax dodge. Probably to pressure Ireland to fight the EU off. They'll win out in the end, and the loser will be their taxpayers...

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    1. Re:So that's, what by El+Cubano · · Score: 4, Interesting

      They'll win out in the end, and the loser will be their taxpayers...

      From the summary:

      Apple today is the biggest private employer in Cork, the Irish Republic's second-largest city, with a workforce exceeding 5,500. Economists estimate Apple's Cork operation pumps around $17 billion annually in salaries, tax and investment into the Irish economy.

      $17,000,000 annually divided by 5,500 employees is over $3,000,000 per employee per annum of economic impact. If that's what it means to be a loser, then please sign me up! I'll talk to my city council and I am relatively certain I can get them on board.

    2. Re:So that's, what by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Even fictional constructs I don't think get to consider the taxes paid by their employees, taxes paid by the corporation, -and- assets simply owned by the construct ("corporation") as an altruistic contribution to the country they do business in.

      $3,000,000 per employee? Your own calculation should tell you this is implausible.

      In any case, it doesn't matter. You're isolating the economic impact to specifically where Apple would like you to--Ireland. The reality is that the money "gained" by Ireland is money lost to the U.S., which still requires taxes for operations. Those taxes will then be borne by other corporations and individuals, which will result in, you guessed it, higher prices for other goods, paid by companies world-wide. Gaming the system to play one country against another does not result in a magical cost-free gain to the "winning" country, or to the public at large. It just benefits Apple, creating a race to the bottom among "bidders"--which ultimately means each country's taxpayers, who "bid" with or without their assent, backed by their government's force.

    3. Re:So that's, what by RandyHill · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yea, money gained in Ireland is not money "lost to the U.S.". These are profits from international operations, Apple already paid taxes on them in the countries where they were earned. We don't get to tax businesses in other countries because they don't generate costs in the US.

      Imagine your US company opens a subsidiary in France. That subsidiary pays 33% in corporate income taxes. If your subsidiary was forced to also pay taxes in the US (California), then your total tax rate is 33% France, 9% California, and 35% federal, giving you about a 60% total tax rate. How well do you think your subsidiary is going to do competing against French companies when it has nearly double the tax rate, and barely is able to reinvest a third of it's profits?

      US companies are only successful internationally because they don't have to bring profits back and can park them in low tax havens like Ireland. If that was ever taken away it wouldn't generate more taxes, it would decimate the ability of US companies to expand internationally. There would be a huge incentive to re-incorporate overseas to escape what would be the worst corporate tax system ever devised.

      Remember, corporate income taxes are a tax on new capital, it's like eating our seed corn. Corporate income taxes are the dumbest possible way to tax, they are a tax on investment, new business formation, etc, leading people to invest less, create fewer jobs, etc. This year it's likely to pass a tax holiday that will allow repatriation of foreign profits at low rates, and at least $2 trillion dollar in capital will come back in the US. The question we should ask is, why a holiday, why not just abolish it?

      Federal corporate income taxes accounted for only 9% of all federal tax receipts. Abolish it, and increase dividend and capital gains rates to regular income tax rates, and it would generate more tax revenues. Now you'd have a system where investment was no longer taxed, just when it was consumed, leading to more investment, more jobs and a higher standard of living.

  2. Re:Trump's not gonna be happy... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I expect a Twitter storm within hours on this one. Something about taxes and jobs.

    These jobs are moving from Luxembourg to Ireland. Trump only cares about jobs moving out of America. An obvious remedy is to avoid creating jobs in America in the first place.

  3. Re:Trump's not gonna be happy... by ClickOnThis · · Score: 2, Informative

    I have seen people on slashdot accuse you of rape too. Does that make it a fact? Watch, I'll add another: PopeRatzo raped me. Boom! Fact.

    Funny thing about the internet. You can check whether stuff has been reported before.

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    There. That oughtta do it.

    Now, where is the evidence that PopeRatzo raped you?

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  4. Re: Trump's not gonna be happy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Those are just blogs and tabloids.

  5. Re: Self-made... something by thesupraman · · Score: 2

    No. No it's not. I suspect you know that and are just shilling.

    What actually happens is the IP rights reside in Ireland. Therefore iTunes in the us will be paying licensing rates ( at pretty much any rate Apple decided.. As this is licensing from Apple to Apple.. What a scan!) To Ireland. Therefore transferring profit.
    So no. They don't pay tax on the us profit either.. they use this scam to move the profit away..

  6. Re:Trump's not gonna be happy... by David_Hart · · Score: 2

    The Pussy Grabber in Chief is going to lower corporate tax from 35% to 15% so America can become tax-friendly like Ireland.

    Except the admitted Sexual Predator in Chief already says he doesn't pay any taxes and he knows full well corporations don't pay taxes, either.

    We've been hearing a lot about Ireland lately, like how Microsoft's cloud service business is booming ever since Microsoft told American 3-letters to fuck off on grabbing people's data from Ireland.

    Recall Trump's visit(s) to Ireland re: golf course?

    That's where that tax-dodging coke head keeps his money, too.

    Hey, I'm fine with them lowing the tax rate from 35% to 15% as long as there isn't any loopholes, deductions, or any way out of paying the 15% tax rate. After all, most corporations probably end up paying a lot less with the financial games they play.

  7. Re:Trump's not gonna be happy... by KeensMustard · · Score: 3, Insightful

    We specifically elected the least sexual predatory person between the two. Hillary is a straight up rapist enabler.

    Number of people Hillary has raped:0. Number of people Donald has raped: probably more than 1. Number of people Donald has molested, by his own admission: many.

    Trump maybe did a few less than savory things, but I don't see compelling evidence that he committed rape.

    So essentially, your evidence that he is not a molester/rapist is that you personally can't believe it. Well, that's powerful testimony indeed.

  8. Want to Fix This? by rally2xs · · Score: 2, Informative

    Ireland's main claim to fame is a 12.5% corporate income tax. That's why myriad American companies are there at all.

    Want to fix that? Pass the Fair Tax. Among the Fair Taxes' many beneficial changes would be the complete lifting of corporate income taxes. That would make the USA the newest, bestest corporate tax haven on the planet. Corporate executives would injure themselves in the stampede to build factories and move corporate headquarters to the USA. Our financial problems would be a thing of the past. We would be the richest, most prosperous nation on the planet by a wide margin. The reason we're not achieving our full potential right now is that the 2nd worst mistake this country has ever made, right behind slavery, is the income taxes. The Fair Tax abolishes _all_ the income taxes - individual, corporate, payroll, gift, estate, self-employment, capital gains, etc. etc. The IRS, and any tax based on income, is abolished. Only NEW items sold at retail, and services sold at retail are taxed. Tuition is exempt because it is really an investment. The Fair Tax may not make you rich - you still have to do that yourself - but doing it will get a lot easier under the Fair Tax as compared to under the income taxes.

    1. Re:Want to Fix This? by tranquilidad · · Score: 2

      The Fair Tax isn't fair to everyone. It's really only helpful to those with income. In my case, for example, while I'm "retired" I don't actually get a pension. My retirement consists of a bank account full of the savings I accumulated over years of working. All that cash is what's left over after I paid income taxes on my earnings. That money I have was taxed on the way into my savings accounts.

      If a Fair Tax comes along then all savers like me will be taxed again when our money reverses direction and leaves our savings accounts. Then again, what else should I expect. Savers have been indirectly taxed to hell and back through monetary policies.

  9. Re: Trump's not gonna be happy... by pslytely+psycho · · Score: 3

    Yeah, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Regan, Bush, Clinton, Bush Obama, all were smoother liars...Well maybe not Nixon, he was just an asshole. And Carter was way too honest for politics...
    But with Trump, We had to create an entirely new brand of lie! Alternative Facts.

    Nixon would of loved that phrase!

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  10. Re:Trump's not gonna be happy... by gtall · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What makes you think Trump gives a flying rat's ass about what he can use to pressure companies? No ranking official in a country or company should ever have a conversation with el Presidente Tweety, he'll only twist it.

    The past is replete with examples. Two of them are when Clapper called him to explain no one in intelligence agencies leaked the Russian hacking probe. Trump turned that into Clapper agrees with Trump on is view that Russian hacking had nothing to do with the election. He had a public tiff with Mexico's president, realized he stepped on his own crank, gives him a call, and then announces they had a very happy and fruitful discussion. I note the Mexican president hasn't asked for new meeting, agreed to pay for Trump's Wall of Ego, or promised to renegotiate NAFTA.

  11. People still use iTunes? by jfdavis668 · · Score: 2

    I haven't used that in over 5 years.

  12. Re:Trump's not gonna be happy... by CaptainDork · · Score: 2

    You left out the CEOs. With that and the shareholders, you identified the destructive source of greed.

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  13. Re:Trump's not gonna be happy... by CaptainDork · · Score: 2

    After completion of your first math course, you will learn that avoiding 35% is precisely equivalent to avoiding 15%.

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  14. There is no reason to stay in Luxemburg any more.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Earlier in the EU the VAT of services like software could be paid to the country of the seller, and Luxemburg happens to have really low VAT. So how Apple dealt with this was that they routed their whole iTunes sales through Luxemburg and paid only the very low VAT from all their sales, then took 30% commission of the price without VAT and gave the rest of the money to developers by "buying service from an EU company with 0% VAT". This was a win-win for both developers and Apple, but mostly for Apple because they could higher commissions from the billions in sales yearly through iTunes, but a huge loss for most EU countries.

    The EU finally closed the loophole and now services (just like physical products already before) need to pay the VAT to the country of the buyer after certain amount of yearly revenue. Apple has had its EU headquarters in Ireland for a long time because Ireland has very low corporate tax rate, they only had presence in Luxemburg because of the VAT loophole. Now they don't have use for Luxemburg so it only makes sense to move their iTunes business to Ireland and streamline their accounting.

  15. Re:Trump's not gonna be happy... by KeensMustard · · Score: 2

    Enlightened moral philosophy you have there.

    Post enlightenment I should think. Whereas Trump's supporters have a worldview similiar to Mugabe's Zanu PF, or the Hutu militia. Doesn't matter who dies, or what lies we have to believe, as long as we can find some way to GET the other tribe for their imagined ills, everything it is the fault of other tribes and nations, we ourselves are oppressed and nothing we do is wrong etc etc.

    I presume you also think that witches float?

    No. But if a A guy says "hey, I molested these women" and then later the women say "yep, he molested me" before being silenced by the formers lawyers, I tend to think that people who come along and say the story is not true *with no evidence to back their assertions* are probably talking out of their arses, particularly when they have demonstrated the sort of undying loyalty that trump's supporters do to his moronic, venal, paranoid delusional ravings, as we've seen here.