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CNET Editor Rails Against Non-Consensual Windows Updates (cnet.com)
schwit1 shares this angry commentary from a CNET senior editor:
Maybe you're delivering a presentation to a huge audience. Maybe you're taking an online test. Maybe you just need to get some work done on a tight deadline.
Windows doesn't care.
Windows will take control of your computer, force-feed it updates, and flip the reset switch automatically — and there's not a damn thing you can do about it, once it gets started.
If you haven't saved your work, it's gone. Your browser tabs are toast. And don't expect to use your computer again soon; depending on the speed of your drive and the size of the update, it could be anywhere from 10 minutes to well over an hour before your PC is ready for work. As far as I'm concerned, it's the single worst thing about Windows. It's only gotten worse in Windows 10. And when I poked around Microsoft, the overarching message I received was that Microsoft has no interest in fixing it.
The editor recalls rebooting his Windows laptop while listening to a speech by Steve Jobs in 2010. (The reboot locked his computer for 20 minutes while updates were installed, "the first of three occasions that a forced Windows update would totally destroy my workflow at a critical moment.") He shares stories from other frustrated Windows users, urges readers to send him more anecdotes, and argues that Microsoft has even begun "actively getting rid of ways to keep users from disabling automatic updates."
If you haven't saved your work, it's gone. Your browser tabs are toast. And don't expect to use your computer again soon; depending on the speed of your drive and the size of the update, it could be anywhere from 10 minutes to well over an hour before your PC is ready for work. As far as I'm concerned, it's the single worst thing about Windows. It's only gotten worse in Windows 10. And when I poked around Microsoft, the overarching message I received was that Microsoft has no interest in fixing it.
The editor recalls rebooting his Windows laptop while listening to a speech by Steve Jobs in 2010. (The reboot locked his computer for 20 minutes while updates were installed, "the first of three occasions that a forced Windows update would totally destroy my workflow at a critical moment.") He shares stories from other frustrated Windows users, urges readers to send him more anecdotes, and argues that Microsoft has even begun "actively getting rid of ways to keep users from disabling automatic updates."
The same professor in a world where Microsoft doesn't force updates: "Microsoft's continued refusal to automatically update users computers has put the entire industry at risk from hackers and viruses! Users are clueless drones who don't know to keep their computers updated and Microsoft should do it for them!"
That is absolutely true. "Using a computer" has become for "knowing how to work around bugs in the software". Updates are just one of the issues.
Although to be honest, my Windows 10 PC upgrades over night as it should. Yes, your tabs are gone, but they reload at the press of a button, and the state of the tabs would mostly be stale, anyway. So my inconvenience has been quite limited.
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No, the problem is that you are no longer perceived to have any options but to take what you're given. In the old days there were several different operating systems to chose from if one vendor fucked up, there were several office suites to chose from, and any computer would happily handle any of them.
These days, Microsoft and their merry band of helpers are fervently tooling away at appropriating the PC platform so you bloody well cannot run anything but Windows, and a version of it that Microsoft approves of at that, on your computer. *cogh* "Secure" boot *cogh*.
Softwareside there pretty much isn't much to chose from apart from some version of Linux and Openoffice, which would be fine enough for the 99.99% percent of the users who aren't some special kind of snowflake which would absolutely diiiiiiiiee unless they use Microsoft software... But cue all the various impediments thrown in the way, ranging from deliberate obstacles ("trustworthy" computing), perverted or closed "standards", deliberate misinformation, ignorance and pure inertia, and nothing changes.
You, the user are no longer catered to, you're nothing but a hostage.
Nice bunch of false choices, asshat. The alternative to Blaster, Nimda and Melissa isn't some Nazi-regime where Microsoft sits with all the keys, it's to stop writing shitty, easily exploitable software.
But I guess that's too much for you and your masters, and it wouldn't further your absolute monopoly ambitions either.
An article about a problem that has existed for years as if it's a big deal recently. Why would I follow this link unless I just wanted to hear more salty MS tears?
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Behind all the details, surely there is an important question of principle here. Does your computer belong to (a) you; or (b) the manufacturer who sold it to you; or (c) the manufacturer of the software you are using?
I very much prefer option (a).
I am sure that there are many other solipsists out there.
1. make sure you have the "Pro" version of Windows 10
2. type in "gpedit.msc" into your start menu bar and hit return
3. you should now have a window called "Local Group Policy Editor"
4. drill down into Computer Configuration\Administrative Templates\Windows Components\Windows Update
5. Double click the "Configure Automatic Updates" setting
6. Select "Enabled" to state that you want to specify / override this setting
7. In the bit on the bottom left change this to "2 - Notify for download and notify for install", this should prevent the updates from kicking in without intervention
8. Click Okay and close the policy window
You can now ignore the updates or install them whenever you want
I swear to god some people are just so lazy they have to bitch and moan about everything
As far as I'm aware the difference is that with the retail version, Miscrosoft takes the view that it has to perform system maintenance (like updates) for you. As part of what you buy. Of course, in such a setting it makes no sense to allow the end-user to postpone updates or any other systems maintenance. Microsoft might get sued if it doesn't patch certain vulnerabilities in time, so it can't have end-users interfering with its maintenance work. That's a conscious decision on Microsoft's part.
With the corporate edition (as far as I'm aware) the IT department is in control, and IT (no pun intended) determines what when where and how updates will take place. Not you (the end user). Not Microsoft. The company IT department. Of course, the average IT department will honour requests that it should not interrupt ongoing work by users ... so it may offer them the standard option to delay updates (for at most 48 hours or so). Servers and such are under even tighter control by IT. Simply because most corporations will not accept anything less. Their interest in continuity of production is paramount and they have the means and the incentive to enforce their preferences. Most private customers don't.
What this illustrates is a shift from the classic "I own it so I control it" idea to the "you're buying a service from us and we'll license you our software to deliver it - just don't get any funny notions about ownership" idea.
It all depends on what packge you buy how you're treated. Buy a consumer grade package, get consumer grade treatment. You're lucky they don't display adds (yet) while updating and then require you to press a button every minute (or they'll stop the updating process until you do).
No. You're just using the wrong Personal Computer operating system.
Neither linux or OS X / MacOS will force you to update.
The more you support companies that abuse you, the more you will be abused. This is not rocket science, and if your job does not force you to use the Windows OS, you are not locked in to Microsoft, no matter what else makes you think you are. You can make a fresh start any time you like. linux is free. OS X comes with a dongle (you know, the one called "a computer.") Both make Windows looks like the garbage it is.
Or, you can continue being abused. The rest of us will just watch in amazement.
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
Windows users will put up with ANYTHING. They'll bitch and moan, but they'll never change anything. A small number will switch to Macs, which are expensive, but actually still behave like computers. As punishment, they'll have to deal with all the programs that are Windows only, of which there's usually one that just won't work right on a Mac to bother everyone. An even smaller number will switch to Linux, which can be a hassle, and has quite a few programs whose programmers are absolutely dedicated to the cause of preventing them from running on Linux.
But it is this absolute unwillingness to switch which has empowered Microsoft to be so shit in the first place. And of course, you CAN disable Windows updates if you are smart enough and desperate enough- even if you run out of ways (and Microsoft has nuked plenty of them), you can always block the bastards at the router. That escape hatch keeps enough of the top tier techies willing to put up with Windows on their personal machines.
Windows 10 is an absolute shitshow. And every Windows 10 user deserves every shitty minute.
No dice, starting hour can not be later than earlier hour! It would not let me set it up this way. I could force the winodws update to a narrow window between midnitght and 3 AM.
It clearly shows how badly the managers and UI guys in Microsoft think. Why call it working hours? Allow me to specify update hours. Why just one block of time? Why can't you show me a check boxes in 3 hour blocks and let me pick a block to update?.
The will help people working at odd hours, working on split shifts, etc. I am sure the idea, suggestions and counter proposals came up. Still MS did it in this brain dead way because, it wants to balance the load on its servers. If it gives "too much" freedom everybody will choose 3AM to 6AM block and so to reduce the load on its servers, it deliberately decided to serve about 80% of the user base to reduce complaints.
sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
He went to an important event where he needed 100% up-time in a public place that he most doubtfully was on a 3rd party wireless network and he made no effort to make sure his computer was up to date before hand.
Have you actually used a computer? You seem to have reality entirely back-to-front.
Updating your OS or other key software just before an important event or deadline is the stupid move here. Once in a blue moon, there's a major vulnerability of the "instant remote pwnage" variety that might justify dropping everything and patching, but for the vast majority of updates, the risk of the update process going wrong, or the update breaking or changing something exceeds any risk from running unpatched. Auto update - even automatic checking for updates - became an abomination as soon as it was used for anything other than the highest-priority critical security updates. Update your software when it has a bug or vulnerability that affects you. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Patch during quiet periods.
If your "security policy" is causing downtime or data loss then you've got your risk assessment all screwed up.
In a survey of 100 programmers, 111111 thought that duck-typing was a good idea.
Are you really arguing that Windows 10 has made people's computers so unreliable that using the cloud is considered to be the fix? That just reinforces the point that Windows 10 is broken for serious computing..