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ISPs Finally Abandon The Copyright Alert System (engadget.com)
"Major internet providers are ending a four-year-old system in which consumers received 'copyright alerts' when they viewed peer-to-peer pirated content," reports Variety.
An anonymous reader quotes Engadget's update on the Copyright Alert System.
It was supposed to spook pirates by having their internet providers send violation notices, with the threat of penalties like throttling. However, it hasn't exactly panned out. ISPs and media groups have dropped the alert system with an admission that it isn't up to the job. While the program was supposedly successful in "educating" the public on legal music and video options, the MPAA states that it just couldn't handle the "hard-core repeat infringer problem" -- there wasn't much to deter bootleggers. The organizations, which include the RIAA, haven't devised an alternative.
"Surprise: it's hard to stop copyright violators just by asking them," reads their article's tagline, which attributes the failure of the system to naive optimism. "It assumed that most pirates didn't even realize they were violating copyright, and just needed to be shown the error of their ways."
"Surprise: it's hard to stop copyright violators just by asking them," reads their article's tagline, which attributes the failure of the system to naive optimism. "It assumed that most pirates didn't even realize they were violating copyright, and just needed to be shown the error of their ways."
"It assumed that most pirates didn't even realize they were violating copyright, and just needed to be shown the error of their ways."
Right. So those Jews who tried to avoid concentration camps were merely misguided and should be told their race is so inferior they should welcome extermination? Arguing that an unjust law is not unjust is not that easy when it's you, personally, who paid for its enactment.
We should not dismiss the harm of copyright. It grieviously damages culture -- not just receiving culture as in "freeloading" watchers of a random crap movie, but also creating more works. It's impossible to create a cultural work without building atop of references and conventions built up previously -- it would be totally incomprehensible to any reader. Because of copyright, direct references to any semi-modern works are outright banned, and less direct ones are not banned yet only because the copyright cartel didn't yet bribe^W"campaign donate" appropriate legislation.
Culture is what puts us apart from animals (in the common sense of the word) -- as biologically we are animals with most of the same urge. It's transmission of works that makes humanity. Thus, a crime that hampers this transmission is a crime against humanity itself.
(You might call my stance "extreme", starting with self-Godwining at the start. Don't let the propaganda that "piracy is evil" cloud you.)
The creatures outside looked from Alt-Right to Antifa; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
Copyright violations have ALWAYS BEEN & WILL ALWAYS BE an symptom of something else than what the MPAA/RIAA want to admit. They are caused by either scarcity or there too low of a value proposition. Scarcity is when the user can't obtain a product any other way (such as a rare song, a rare book, etc.), and low value proposition happens when you charge too much for your product compared to what people perceive the value to be.
I bought close to 100x DVD movies over the span of a couple years from Big Lots when they were thrown into the 3$ bin. I wouldn't have purchased these movies if they were "dvd movie prices" = 20~30$, and I don't mean I would have purchased less of them... I mean I would have never bothered to spend a dime on any of them.
I now have crunchyroll, netflix, youtube red, and playstation plus subscriptions. I get access to approx. 6~9 video games a month, and as much streaming movies and anime as I could ever watch. If they don't have something I want to watch, I just watch something else. All the while NEVER seeing an ad (even without the use of adblock (which I -also- use for security sake, but still)
I used to pirate movies and games, but now I don't even bother doing that. The value proposition for the services I pay for is good enough for me, and I'm happy enough to pay for them.
As if any millenial knows what a letter is! Most of the letters that end up in my letterbox are (a) from the bank or any utility company or (b) unwanted and uncalled for.
i think the riaa and the others will just lobby^H^H^H^Hbribe our new administration to get some new law that makes this voluntary 'alert' thing look like mommy sending little timmy to a 'time out' in the corner for 10 minutes.
My socialist government preaches "support the system that supports you" to individuals. (Business entities and their managers don't receive leeway on debts.) If you don't try to hide your bad behaviour, if they catch you soon enough, if you make a full confession, the government will just garnish your wages for the outstanding debt. For the most part, minor abuses towards the government are ignored and individuals continue receiving protection from the government.
The problem with copyright is there's no benefit to the individual (that is, the consumer): The system is designed so the copyright holder sells a feudal system of permissions to international broadcasters. Such sales divide the international market into geopolitical monopolies that distort the buying power of the consumer. The USA is the worst with its DMCA, which is designed to deny rights to the consumers and provide barriers to entry for the small players.
It's great that MPAA members have taken the soft approach to illegal up-loaders but they didn't have a choice: They still have limited legal power, the demand for a cheaper product continues and most of all, consumers still have to choose between rewarding anti-competitive policies and ignoring most of the available modern entertainment. Of course, the appeal to fair play didn't work; MPAA members aren't helping the consumer.
Your way of accounting for exchange is fundamentally flawed. People don't actually pay for "work", they pay for end results. You may have built a fancy chair that has neat features that would be covered under the concept of intellectual property, but I should be able to ask another person to duplicate that chair without you having any say in it. The concept remains the same when the ability to make copies takes little effort. You want to ensure you get money for something? Prove yourself first and you can ask for money up front with a Kickstarter or Patreon account.
Was looking for a film to watch last night.
(Bear in mind that I pay for everything legitimately. I don't own any music. I buy DVD's or LICENCED online content for everything I watch.
I do this so that I'm rewarding the creators of things I like. I've bought shareware. I've paid for donationware. I've bought some things several times over and bought them for friends.
The point is - I'm one of those rare people who pays for EVERYTHING I use. The vast majority of people I speak to are quite happy not to pay if there's no chance of being caught and will happily use Kodi or downloads or streams or tolerate what their child does, etc.)
I went on Amazon Prime. I didn't fancy anything on the Prime offerings, so I flicked through the "Buy" listings for movies. As there was nothing on Prime, I also loaded up the Google Play Store for movies and did the same on there. I have bought 50% of my online movies on each service, and even rented a couple of times.
I looked through all the recommended, the newly released, etc. and went back as far as I could without hitting anything I liked the look of. Fair enough, personal taste. Then I went through all the cheap movies, all dross and most I'd never heard of. Then I went through categories of movies, Action or Sci-Fi is always a good bet.
About 20 pages in, and a lot of scrolling, on both services the only things that I had any interest in were old 80's action / sci-fi movies. Okay, not a problem. I own a lot of them on DVD, though, but I wanted to watch online. I'm not going to pay a fortune again.
But then the problem hits - once I found a category I was willing to buy from and didn't already own, the prices were a piss-take. GBP10 for a movie from the 80's that's had endless re-runs on TV. 25GBP for a TV series that's on constant loop on multiple TV channels, and that's just the first series. Sorry, but I'm not paying that for an Arnie movie from the 80's, Indiana Jones, James Bond or a series of Friends to flick through. And the stuff I already have on DVD? Same prices. No way am I paying that just to "have it online".
The irony was, I'd have happily laid down the 25GBP for a complete boxset of something, or 10GBP for a new movie, or a few GBP for one of the old dross (Indiana Jones, etc.). But I couldn't justify it to myself to pay those kinds of prices.
In the end, after about an hour of scrolling through both stores, I bought nothing. My entertainment time was gone, my funds weren't going to be spent like that, and that's with me LOOKING to buy.
The other annoying part? You can't buy certain things anywhere. I love an old TV series called The Good Life (Good Neighbours in the US). I have it on DVD. I'd quite like it online too, to watch when I'm out on holiday etc. I bought series 1 & 2 online and - despite being from the 70's - series 3 is nowhere to be seen. Literally, nothing. I've been checking almost every month for years now.
Try and get Aliens:Special Edition. Half the online streaming stores just don't carry it at all, or don't mention if it is SE or not.
And then there are the TV series from years ago that still have never made it to DVD or online at all. The most annoying ones are like above - someone converted one series and then said fuck it and left it at that.
I have no surprise at all when I find out that people pirate or stream or whatever. They just want to watch the fucking movie that they like. But you can't. And even when you can, the price is ludicrous.
Because I won't pirate, this gives me one option. Stop watching. Even the old stuff. Stop buying.
The movie and TV industries are killing themselves. I have no sympathy for them.
Also, we TOLD THEM THIS several decades ago when they started on the pointless crusade against piracy. If they'd listened then, maybe they wouldn't have wasted money on stupid DRM schemes, they'd have not lost public favour, and they might have been able to try things like streaming, downloads,
The tone of the article implies that this is some shock... This was the Mafiaa's plan all along.
They took what they could get knowing that they could play the victim in the future and get the greater powers they wanted in the first place. They're playing the long game here.
They will simply do without your content if you manage to stop them. They will never, ever pay for it. And, surprise!, it is actually much worse for you to have them not watch your stuff at all than to have them watch it for free. But it takes some minimal understanding of how a market works and how word-of-mouth works. You do not have that.
One exception: All the really, really bad "AAA" stuff would profit from people not downloading it early, because then people would go to cinemas unaware how their time will get wasted and their money essentially stolen. But since that morally amounts to fraud on your side, I cannot find it in me to see that any injustice is done to you there.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
Like most socialist, they are self deceived. Naive optimism = self blinded stupidity.
Article I, Section 8, Clause 8 of the United States Constitution, known as the Copyright Clause, empowers the United States Congress: To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries.
The current copyright law set is counterproductive to " promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts," due to the specified duration of exclusive right being overly long.
is release the hounds.
Back in 2000, Metallica got me kicked off of Napster, and i havent listened to a single song of theirs since then.
Thats fine with me that their music is so goddamn precious, there are plenty other artists out there.
More convenient than pirating, that should be their goal.
Netflix and Amazon have gotten close with their all-in-one payment solutions.
Step 1 - reasonable payments.
Step 2 - easy access; offline viewing needs to be possible.
Step 3 - large catalog. Lots of choices.
Step 4 - Works on all platforms, not just Windows / Mac.
People are willing to pay for convenience. Just look at the entire cell phone business. It is purely for convenience.
Make all your material available all the time, everywhere, in convenient ways, at reasonable prices. Stop the artificial scarcity nonsense. Stop making people feel like criminals. Stop limiting where and when they can watch/listen to the material. Abandon the the-material-is-ours-not-yours-we-just-let-you-watch-it-as-and-when-we-want mindset. Hardcore pirates will still practice piracy. Normal people will do the right thing, just because it is right, and for peace of mind. It is, of course, your right, to carry on doing what you are doing. You might even make more money with the current approach. But, the thorn in your side, of millions upon millions of people enjoying your material for free, day after day, year after year, will dig in deeper and deeper. Piracy is not going anywhere. If anything, with faster and faster networks, it will get worse. The choice is yours: learn to live with rampant piracy, as is happening now, or with a modest amount of piracy - much easier to monitor, control, and suppress. The twentieth century is not coming back.
Are you in the UK? All series 1 to 4 of The Good Life are available on the BBC Store, either individually or in pairs. https://store.bbc.com/the-good...
Best wishes,
Sid
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I have no problem with having them. If someone can manage to get a paid job working in that field without doing unpaid, in a job climate where doing so is the norm, that is fine too. It's all about what rules i believe we should be living under. Keep coming up with examples that could potentially change my mind, though. I may indeed find a situation that is so unbearable that I may say that I don't want this after all. Or go for how anpther system could have much better results. All i know is that I've spent quite a bit figuring out why things should be the way I think I want them.
This is actually bad news. The best thing to come out of this policy was the vast explosion of VPN services. It was almost like the MAFIAA launched a missile right at the heart at the data-harvesting industrial complex (and to a lesser extent the NSA).
Save our privacy, bring back 6 strikes!
It os when Symphonic is at the beginning of it!
how dare you compare copyright infringement to concentration camps! WTF!
There's more than one type of crime against humanity. Decrying a second one doesn't make the first any less appalling.
Two more arguments:
That's why I deem the likes of Diego de Landa in the league of Hitler -- the former nearly completely erased literate heritage of a mighty nation. Heck, as a Polack, I don't know even the names of gods of my forefathers, after the Church's work all we got are wild guesses that a deity depicted by a four-faced statue was Swiatowid ("sees-the-world") then years later, with no new evidence whatsoever, that's declared invalid, replaced with "Svantevit" ("holy lord").
The creatures outside looked from Alt-Right to Antifa; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
You are seriously equating these two:
A) If you want to listen to Justin Bieber rather than the millions of free songs available on Myspace and elsewhere, please pay your 99 cents share of the cost.
B) Being toward to to death.
Your total and complete lack of any sense of perspective, your absolute self-centeredness, is sickening. Trivializing actual suffering by implying that it's no worse than paying 99 cents for a song (or choosing a different, free, song) is profoundly insulting to those who have actually suffered (though neo-Nazis surely appreciate your argument that the Holocaust was no worse than Redbox).
I've got to start using the Preview feature.
I don't use it because it's an extra click, which is basically the same thing as being in a Nazi labor camp as you starve to death, according to GP.
Here come the goons to break people's kneecaps.
Laws are rules for the court, but merely a bottom bar to hit for life. Think beyond laws in your actions always.
There are plenty of websites that use HTTP streaming, and it's a simple matter to check network activity to find a direct link to an MP4 file.
The only problem with this is that most of the sites don't specialize in older movies to the point it's difficult to find even popular old movies, let alone obscure ones.
Word verification: codeine
You've just made a fool of yourself.
To parent: In america, the vast majority of people listen to radio rock I.e. Metallica, Godsmack. Bands like Opeth or Dimmu Borgir are considered obscure (although growing in popularity).
People should pay for work, work but historically end results are a good way of judging work, In your example of a fancy chair you judge the quality and quantity of work required to make the chair. Allowing other people to make the chair gives you a comparison and forces continual improvements in either cost or quality. If someone can make the chair better or cheaper than the original creator they should, that is what is best for society.
The problem with patents and copyright is you basically stop other people from making a chair because somebody came up with it first. So they can charge an unfair price up until the point people will just sit on the floor, there is no incentive to improve your product or make production more efficient. If you need any evidence of that look at car keys, to get one cut if it has an immobilizer in it, cost at the lower end $400, You can get an entire new alarm system for less than that, but because the hold a monopoly they can charge, not what they want because you will simply get a new car, or walk but a vastly unfair price.
For movies and electronic devices this is bad, but things like medicine this is down right mass murder, you are basically giving the customer an ultimatum give me all your money or die, oh by the way no guarantees you will live. I understand that it requires money but giving someone the power of life and death over someone in a bargaining situation is not going to end up with a fair deal. What you need to do is say Ok you can have a monopoly for a limited time but you have to prove you are not overcharging, and if it is discovered that you are using creative account practices to over inflate expenses, you will be charge with the crime you are actually guilty of which is mass murder.
No, we should not pay for work What we want is more and higher quality stuff for less work. When you reward work, that gets messed up.
I believe in making a good-faith effort to buy what I want fair and square. But occasionally, I run into silly geographical restrictions on purchasing digital content, generally movies and books. I want to see a given movie that is available online but not in the US, am willing to pay a rental on standard sources, but they won't let me make this purchase.
I then take the easy way out and download it from a pirate site. Sorry, asshole middlemen.
"It assumed that most pirates didn't even realize they were violating copyright, and just needed to be shown the error of their ways."
I'm sure that is true, what with the pirates being so busy stealing boats and robbing people at sea and all, they probably had no idea they were infringing on copyright.
The problem with patents and copyright is you basically stop other people from making a chair because somebody came up with it first. So they can charge an unfair price up until the point people will just sit on the floor,
So with patents, most people will just do what they did before you made an invention, until the patent runs out, then they can use it for free. Much better than you either having no incentive to make an invention, or keeping your invention a trade secret kept secrete with lethal force, like before patents.
Of course news about a fake are Fake News.
Beside the fact that the majority of everyone, at least in the U.S. is completely broke, there are certain people who just don't seem to be comfortable with the idea of a computer.
A computer is a device that is designed to store, retrieve, transmit, receive, and modify information. So if you have some information, and feed it into one of those new fangled computer type mahjiggers... Well, guess the fuck what happens to that information then... It is stored and it can be retrieved, transmitted, received, and modified.
There are people who work in the entertainment industry who have completely of their own will given away a new work and just pointed people in the right direction to pay for it if they wanted to. Most people who have the means and a reasonably convenient way to do the above would prefer to do that. I know I am one of them. And if you are one of these, "OMG HOW WILL PEOPLE MAKE MONEY, CAUSE UGHHH, COMPUTERS!!@#!@#!", then chances are you are one of these people who would be willing to pay as well. In fact you define yourself as such.
Most of the people on this planet are actually decent regular old mother fuckers just like everybody else. Mostly everyone pays their taxes and avoids killing other people. The only major motivators behind economic deviances/chaos and general bastardry (which are probably rampant whether you are poor or rich/wealth, etc...) have to do with survival or desire of some kind. And most people desire to survive at least.
If you provide people a way to pay, whether the content is available easily or pseudo-easily (copy-ing) most people will opt-in to pay something. And 99.9999 percent of all the people labeled pirates aren't even pirates. Pirates make bootleg copies and sell them. These people wouldn't even exist with out the flawed system that allows such actions to occur in the first place.
If you want to deliver a compelling drama with out the risk of it's digital copy being... (GASP... copied) put on a live play or a live conert, or hell, go shout in the street...
In the mean time... COMPUTERS...
Also, I do love and enjoy film/music...etc... It seems a bit scary and odd that an entire model of selling a particular product should change, especially when that product has generally allowed for successful purveyors to grow enormously rich;but, again, I'm sorry, computers...
I see absolutely nothing, NOTHING, stopping artists from getting their work out to the public, and for the most part, artists are starving just as much as they ever were. With art, it's usually the few, that make it big time. But there has never been any moment in history where artists have had more freedom in expressing their work than now, and never a time where it was easier to pay them for their work.
If some schmuck in Siberia made some shitty song I loved (or some awesome person, whoever) and a way for me to pay him/her in some way, it could be done. I'll take that kind of EARTH SHATTERING REVOLUTION IN HUMANITY over all this copyright bitching/pissing/moaning ANY fucking DAY of the WEEK; period.
Gravy trains and the people who ride them...
Nothing is more embarrassing than receiving an alert that you have illegally downloaded a copy of Horrible Bosses 2.
Want to watch all seasons of a show on netflix. Cool... they only have seasons 5-7
So where do you get seasons 1-4?
Hooray, torrent!
So dear media corporations: you want less pirating? Put more on netflix. And don't ask horrendous sums on netflix for putting it there. Oh and don't put in silly regional locks. Netflix is a Internet streaming. There should be no borders on the Intenet. If you want borders... torrent has no borders!
Interesting how they forgot to mention the two lawyers who got busted by putting porn files on TOR, and when the copyright alarm went off shaking down scared surfers at $1,000 a pop, that turned out to be a fraud.... Which was the driving force behind the ISP's getting off the program.
But that wouldn't bring out the intellectual property whiners, we've already seen today's story about how Trump is destroying the galaxy, we've already seen the story about solar energy jobs, and a Windows bashing story, and we need more traffic... Wait, how about another MBP bashing? Nuclear Energy? Surely we can drive more traffic, surely....
Murphy was an optimist
I always wonder if we wouldnt be living in a better world if the windows wouldnt have been so extensively pitrated...
I got one of these notices regarding music that I had paid for and bought from iTunes. I do stream music through my house on different devices. At that time, my music was stored on a cloud service that Amazon Prime offers.
This made me really angry, in a first-world kind of way. Nobody else has access to my computers, Internet or Wi-Fi. In other words, I'm a white girl over the age of 40 with a bunch of cats and no husband. And I paid for that worthless stupid Miranda Lambert music. I didn't steal it, pirate it or stream it from a pirate website, but I'll be damned if I'll ever pay a dime for any more of that bitch's worthless music. I was really insulted. I'm a damn fan, or at least I was, one of those stupid schmucks that actually pays for their music.
Patents at least have a half ways sensible length. 20 years. For a physically device, possibly something that could save a life.
Copyright is author dead + 70 years. Mostly for entertainment material. WTF?
They got to the people that pirated for personal use, which I wouldn't even call criminals in most cases. Who they wanted to get where the bootleggers that pirate 10 films a day for profit.
Sure, people making money from piracy will happily switch to paying for stuff and not sell it when you tell them to. Absolutely.