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Tim Sweeney Dislikes Windows 10 Cloud Rumors, Calls OS 'Crush Steam Edition' (arstechnica.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: The rumor that Microsoft is building a version of Windows 10 that can only install apps from the Windows Store has drawn criticism before it's even official. Epic Games founder Tim Sweeney took to Twitter to attack the operating system. Although its real name is named Windows 10 Cloud, he's dubbing it "Windows 10 Crush Steam Edition." Sweeney is convinced that Microsoft wants to exercise total control over the Windows platform and destroy Valve's Steam. Last year, Sweeney attacked the Universal Windows Platform API. He claimed (incorrectly) that third-party stores such as Steam would be unable to sell and distribute UWP games, leaving them at a disadvantage relative to Microsoft's own store. He followed this statement with the claim that Microsoft would systematically modify Windows so as to make Steam work worse and worse, such that gamers grow tired of it and switch to the Windows Store. In his tweets, Sweeney recognizes that Microsoft wants to compete with Chrome OS. But he fails to understand what the company must do to actually offer that competition. He wrote that "it's great for Microsoft to compete with ChromeOS, but NOT BY LOCKING OUT COMPETING WINDOWS SOFTWARE STORES." This statement represents a failure to understand that "locking out competing Windows software stores" is, for this market, positively desirable. It's fundamental to preventing the hard-to-support free-for-all that a Windows system would otherwise represent. A later tweet does recognize the value of this lockdown, but Sweeney says that Windows 10's "great admin features to limit user software installs" should be used instead. This again suggests a misunderstanding of the target market: systems will be used with little to no supervision and with little to no administrative oversight. To compete against the Chromebook, Windows 10 Cloud needs to be locked down by default, and it must not offer any ready way to disable that lockdown. In his complaints, Sweeney also fails to consider what happens should the Chromebook threat go unaddressed: Chromebooks running Chrome OS will proliferate. These machines will not support third-party stores, they will not support Steam, and they will not support PC games at all. Sweeney may not want Microsoft to build this world, but even if Microsoft doesn't create it, Google already is doing so.

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  1. Remember, kids by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Windows ain't done until Steam won't run!

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    1. Re:Remember, kids by PPH · · Score: 5, Interesting

      "DOS isn't done until Lotus won't run."

      It's been that way since the beginning. VCs (with the guts to risk pissing off the Monster from Redmond) would often ask a start-up what their contingency plans were in the event Microsoft would cripple their app. Or offer their own 'free' version bundled with the OS.

      To be fair; this isn't about Microsoft killing Steam. It's probably more like selling it through the Windows Store. "You wanna do business in my town? You gotta give me a piece of da' action, see?"

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  2. Re: Meanwhile in the Apple ecosystem on iPads.. by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 4, Informative

    TFA is either biased or uninformed though; ChromeOS supports side loading and is open source, so there really isn't any reason why third party app stores couldn't be used.

    Sweeney may be correct in that even if Microsoft allows side loading, they can revoke it at any time and there's nothing anybody can do about it.

    And yes, this likewise would be more comparable to the Apple model. Arstechnica seems to routinely be biased against Google though, so it would make sense if they just wanted to pick on ChromeOS.

  3. What kind of story... by Notabadguy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What kind of hack news site PICKS UP AN UNFOUNDED RUMOR...then runs a story on the unfounded rumor just to discredit the author of the rumor based on previous rumors.

    What..the fuck kind of news for nerds is this gossipy whining?

    1. Re:What kind of story... by evilviper · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What..the fuck kind of news for nerds is this gossipy whining?

      This site hasn't called itself "News for Nerds" in quite a few years now. Just look around and try to find that tag-line... It's long gone.

      It's been one non-stop decline ever since the "Politics" section was created. First Sourceforge, then Dice, and now BizX have had no interest in the site's origins or credibility, and are only interested in the large audience they can abuse to drive-up ad impressions. Even clicking through to complain about what a shithole this place has become, is PROFIT for them, so they will keep it up. The trolls are profit, the paid shills are profit, the flood of crap on the front-page that has people yelling at their screen is profit for them. And that's the only thing they care about.

      Sure the audience has continued declining, sure this place is a joke, sure in the long-term it's an increasingly less valuable property for the change, but they're going to cash-out as much as they can, as soon as they can, and not worry one bit about the smoldering ruin that's left.

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  4. You can install SteamOS on Chromebooks by NotInHere · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You can install Steam OS on Chromebooks, just as you can on Windows machines. Its just the game industry that needs to support Steam OS, and he isn't locked in to Microsoft any more. And no, he won't be locked into Steam OS either, because if they start demanding more, he can just clone Ubuntu himself and distribute his game as OS. As long as new computers will allow free OS choice, there is no problem.

  5. Re: Meanwhile in the Apple ecosystem on iPads.. by AvitarX · · Score: 4, Funny

    I really wish they'd release steam for Android.

    Some basic level of curation, better community for reviews, cross PC and Android purchases, I suspect instead Steam will go away as he fails to compete in a market he created (effective online distribution games store).

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  6. Re: Meanwhile in the Apple ecosystem on iPads.. by hattwj · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Pedantic much? Its the owner of the machine, not the manufacturer of the software that should be in control.

  7. This is true by waspleg · · Score: 4, Interesting

    for the moment. My percentage of games that will run under Linux is (very) slowly but steadily increasing.

  8. Re: Meanwhile in the Apple ecosystem on iPads.. by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Except that Android is in practice as locked down as Windows is since nearly all apps require Google services and you can't re-compile Android with Google services including the store.

    That doesn't seem to stop Amazon from running its own app store or distributing its own non-Google fork of Android.