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EU Agrees To Cross-Border Access To Streaming Services (variety.com)

Putting in place the first piece of its hoped-for unified digital market, the European Union has agreed on new rules allowing subscribers of online services in one E.U. country access to them while traveling in another. From a report: "Today's agreement will bring concrete benefits to Europeans," said vice president in charge of the Digital Single Market, Andrus Ansip, in a statement. "People who have subscribed to their favorite series, music and sports events at home will be able to enjoy them when they travel in Europe. This is a new important step in breaking down barriers in the Digital Single Market." Variety explain: That said, "portability" is the least contentious of DSM regulations being advanced by the European Commission. Reached yesterday, the agreement between the Commission, the E.U.'s executive arm, the European Parliament and the E.U.'s Council of Ministers, representing its 28 member states, will allow consumers to fully use their online subscriptions to films, sports events, e-books, video games or music services when traveling within the E.U. The online service providers who will be mandated to make these services available range from video-on-demand platforms (Netflix, HBO Go, Amazon Prime, Mubi, Chili TV) to online TV services (Viasat's Viaplay, Sky's Now TV, Voyo), music streaming services (Spotify, Deezer, Google Music) and game online marketplaces (Steam, Origin).

55 comments

  1. Hi. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I live in the UK. Can I has streaming pleez?

    1. Re:Hi. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I thought you were leaving the EU?

    2. Re:Hi. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I expect it won't be a big feature in the Brexit negotiations. They will be sure to protect corporations' rights to extract as much money from UK citizens as possible. So if the service providers can't fleece EU residents moving between EU countries then they will compensate by charging Brits extortionate fees to stream during their holiday in Torremolinos.

    3. Re:Hi. by Kjella · · Score: 1

      I live in the UK. Can I has streaming pleez?

      Yes. The UK has not invoked article 50, they've almost passed a law authorizing the government to invoke it but even after that there's a negotiation period of up to two years where they will still be EU members. After that, who knows...

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    4. Re:Hi. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I live in the UK. Can I has streaming pleez?

      No. The island will get whatever leftovers Trump sees fit to shower it with.

    5. Re:Hi. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BBC aint going to let this happen.

  2. Great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now you just need to get the rest of the world on the go. It's ridiculous what it costs to roam, even when you take into account local networks might not be as good as back home. Cabo Verde using a UK SIM? It was something like £40 for 40MB time limited to a day. Buy a local SIM for 10USD? 4GB. There's no reason it needs to be that expensive. Same goes for Thailand, Vietnam, Cambodia, Singapore, and Indonesia. There's nothing but bureaucracy standing in the way of global data plans. In all those places, local SIMS worked great and had good rates for several gigabytes of data, but roaming would need you to pay exorbitant amounts to get the same amount of data.

    1. Re:Great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      From June this year there are no roaming charges in the EU and you'll be billed against your normal plan:

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38825154

      Great for us in the UK until we leave and end up with hefty roaming charges again :/

  3. The EU doing what it should be doing by Aqualung812 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Isn't this the whole point of the EU? A single economic trading zone?

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    1. Re:The EU doing what it should be doing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They can make them offer the streaming services across borders, but it is the content owners, not the service, that restrict availability by region.

    2. Re:The EU doing what it should be doing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, the point of the EU is a single political zone. That, however, they could not sell to the peoples of Europe so they made it out to be about free trade and free movement of people.
      That is being pushed sofar (sIngle currency and the european 'constitution', a treaty that essentially gives the EU final say, not the countries themselves ) and fast that it is causing huge problems (Greece for example).
      The idea is that the solutions to these problems will now drive the further political integration because not going forward would be so damaging that it would be prohibitive.
      btw. this is also why Brexit will fail. It must fail, at all costs. It just has to be even more damaging to Britain.

    3. Re:The EU doing what it should be doing by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      It's mostly to do with freedom of movement. Companies can refuse to sell services to people in a particular country if they want, but what they can't do is sell it to someone and then block them when they move abroad.

      This is all to make freedom of movement viable. An individual must be able to take their services (SIM card, streaming services etc.) with them, as well as their family, otherwise there are massive disincentives to doing it.

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    4. Re:The EU doing what it should be doing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, pretty much. Free trade is a serious economic amplifier. Ask any (credible) economist.

      Want proof: The United States - Consider that the US is a federalized collection of states where the federal government enforces more or less perfect free trade between states - There are no tariffs between states and you can legally sell your products as long as they conform to local laws. - And any "local laws" obviously designed to protect local business are usually dealt with under interstate commerce clause enforcement

      There are reasons the US is currently the only world superpower.

  4. It's about damn time by fisternipply · · Score: 2

    Maybe this will keep LePen out of power. Seriously... circuses and all that.

    1. Re:It's about damn time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe this will keep LePen out of power. Seriously... circuses and all that.

      Le Pen will loose the second round of the elections against anybody but a far-left candidate, so in that case one has to taint her to the point that large portions of the right will not vote for her and stay home since it is usually easier to get the left to vote for a right wing candidate to keep Le Pen out of power than it is to get a right wing electorate to vote for a far-left candidate. The best way to keep Le Pen out of power in that case is to play the same dirty pool her friends in Russia are playing on her behalf. Sic a bunch of investigative reporters on her, dig up dirt, especially dirt about her connections to Russia. They are bound to find something. Then make sure everybody hears about it. There are still enough people on the right wing that care whether or not a candidate is a Russian stooge for it to make a difference.

    2. Re:It's about damn time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sic a bunch of investigative reporters on her, dig up dirt, especially dirt about her connections to Russia. They are bound to find something.

      Wow, you leftists are reaching new lows by the day, both in terms of morality and originality. Now that your approach of calling everyone a racist has failed, it seems the only thing you can come up with is to claim that everyone is a puppet of Putin. It's laughable.

      And when that fails you resort to violence and calls for assassination. I suppose it's good that you're being shown up for being the fascists that you are.

    3. Re: It's about damn time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does not change the fact that Russia have poured money into the various alt-right groups in Europe. Does not mean that Putin wants them to have political power, probably mostly to cause political disturbance in Europe.

  5. It's about time. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That consumers get the same benefits from a global market that corporations have.

  6. Re:Governments and Free Markets don't mix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It's why America sucks to live in, and Europe does not

    FTFY.

  7. Re:Governments and Free Markets don't mix by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 3, Interesting

    When I encounter geoblocking of content that I subscribe to legally at home, I pirate it. I support paying artists, not nonfunctional middlemen.

  8. Not available in your country! by relliker · · Score: 1

    Doesn't solve the problem that "This service is not available in your country" in the first place. If I can't even subscribe to the service in my own country first what tf do I need streaming roaming for?

    1. Re:Not available in your country! by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Doesn't solve the problem that "This service is not available in your country" in the first place. If I can't even subscribe to the service in my own country first what tf do I need streaming roaming for?

      While it's not a complete solution, if you can manage to arrange payment details in another country, you can at least now work around the problem.

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    2. Re:Not available in your country! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In most cases, and if they don't mandate for a 'proof of address' on sign up, you will only need a Paypal account and a temporary VPN on sign up - then you can access the service (in theory, depending on how this is implemented) with any EU ISP -

    3. Re:Not available in your country! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I second this.
      According to https://www.finder.com/global-netflix-library-totals the USA has 1081 TV shows.
      My country has 396, which is not even half.

      This is why I don't pay for a broken service and pirate EVERYTHING.
      I don't care if they would double their price but stop geo-blocking!!!!

    4. Re:Not available in your country! by PPH · · Score: 1

      arrange payment details in another country

      Is this even possible in the EU anymore? On this side of the pond (USA) we passed a law prohibiting* foreign financial institutions from creating or maintaining accounts for US persons. So how can some EU bank allow anyone to walk in and set up a credit card account without proof that they are not Americans?

      *Well, not actually prohibiting. But if you are caught opening an account for a US person, you will be audited with a rubber glove. Repeatedly.

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    5. Re:Not available in your country! by GNious · · Score: 1

      huh? Pretty sure I've seen prepaid debit(!) versions of major credit card brands sold in America to anyone who'd buy one. Thinking that'd be enough to fake being from the US-of-A, online at least.

    6. Re:Not available in your country! by PPH · · Score: 1

      major credit card brands sold in America ... fake being from the US-of-A

      FATCA is designed to keep foreign banks from siphoning off US business. Once you are in the states, we don't care if you rip off some EU license holder.

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  9. Re:Governments and Free Markets don't mix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you do not have the right to entertainment produced by others. If said others don't want you consuming their entertainment in a particular country, you have no right to say "I don't care I'll do it anyways". Corporate rights are sacrosanct.

  10. This has also downside ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is only preliminary move:
    from one side you get access to content in other EU countries
    on another side ... this will be end of different pricing for different markets ...
    EU is attacking Steam for this ... Those "Russian game keys" with lower price but valid in Russia only ..
    Yes that is not EU, but well known ... The same is for Poland, Romania ... so they will get hit hard , paying for content the same price as in UK.

    If sellers do not do that, one will watch Premier League matches in English pub transmitted via Romanian or Polish sat decode ... (popularity is there low, so price is low).. like here http://www.bbc.com/news/business-17150054

    So right holders will hike price everywhere to the highest level to avoid "loss" ....mythical loss because maybe tourist resort in Greece will pay for transmission with UK price tag.

    1. Re:This has also downside ... by plague911 · · Score: 1

      What you are describing is and positing as a negative, is in fact, one of the stated benefits of the internet.

    2. Re:This has also downside ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope. EU is against geoblocking not price fixing. Nintendo is also one of the usual suspect. They only care about Germany and UK. Now fuck'em, sell in the whole EU not just in 2 countries.

    3. Re:This has also downside ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it is downside , because all prices will be rounded up to the highest in EU.
      But income will stay as it was. So it will reduce accessibility ...

      do not forget, that it will also hike price for some countries ... One could buy license for streaming in Ireland or UK only! Or for Malta only whatever.
      Now, you have to buy license for "All of the EU". Who will stay on the surface? 2-3 largest operators ...local operators will fold.
      That may be hidden agenda ...Why colonies want to provide content, they may consume from metropolitan company.

      For ugly state of current affairs ...
      Check one old fashionable market - books and book agreements.
      My country was never British colony. That means in 21c that ... I have problem with buying books in English.
      Most books are distributed in Zone#1 - former British dominium (including US) ...
      For other countries "no we will not send book there" ... or ebook only available for UK account (hello Amazon.co.uk I am speaking about you)
      if something is popular, local distributor will purchase rights, delay 2 years while butchering with low cost translation set price 3 times of original book ... and will complain that sure hit will not sell ... Because everybody who wanted this book read it in English ..
      If something is considered to niche to be profitable it will never be available ...
      Of course this will be higher price because of premium content - extra work for translation ... not wanted by many.

      The same for computer games - game gets patches in 3-4 major languages and is not patched for minor languages after some time ...

    4. Re:This has also downside ... by plague911 · · Score: 1

      No it will not. Companies will become more sophisticated in their pricing systems and find new ways to categorize their consumers. Generally speaking they don't care if they have 1000 consumers at a profit of 1/consumer or 1 consumer at a profit of 1000/consumer.

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  12. Re:Governments and Free Markets don't mix by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

    Just for a moment, imagine that you are a creator of digital work that could be sold online, rather than being an AC troll. What possible reason would you have to prevent anyone, wherever they might be located in the world, from buying it?

  13. Re:Governments and Free Markets don't mix by Kjella · · Score: 0

    Just for a moment, imagine that you are a creator of digital work that could be sold online, rather than being an AC troll. What possible reason would you have to prevent anyone, wherever they might be located in the world, from buying it?

    Why does Hollywood prefer to release movies to cinemas first and disc/TV/streaming later? Why does a book come in hardcover before paperback? It's called maximizing revenue. I'm not saying it's good for the consumer, but if you don't understand why it could be good for business it's because you don't understand business.

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  14. Can they do this? by rossdee · · Score: 1

    While the EU (government) may agree to this, isn't it up to the companies providing the streaming service (and also the content copyright holders)

  15. Re: Governments and Free Markets don't mix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Make America great again. And grab them the pussy!

  16. Summary blames the wrong companies by Solandri · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The online service providers who will be mandated to make these services available range from video-on-demand platforms (Netflix, HBO Go, Amazon Prime, Mubi, Chili TV) to online TV services (Viasat's Viaplay, Sky's Now TV, Voyo), music streaming services (Spotify, Deezer, Google Music) and game online marketplaces (Steam, Origin).

    Those service providers would love nothing more than to provide their service anywhere in the world to all their subscribers. It would vastly simplify their software and infrastructure.

    They only reason they restrict their services based on geography is because they're forced to do so by the music, TV/movie, and game studios, who insist on different release schedules and different pricing in different countries and regions in order to eek out a tiny bit more profit.

    1. Re: Summary blames the wrong companies by erikmartino477 · · Score: 1

      Service providers will need to renegotiate or pull the content. Right owners also want to sell, so they will come around.

    2. Re: Summary blames the wrong companies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right owners also want to sell, so they will come around.

      Right owners do not want to sell. They want to gouge as much as given market bears.

      Rethorical question:
      If you download content from ftp server somewhere without paying,
      and right owner does not sell it in your country - does it still count as "lost sale"?
      Price in given country is $0 because it is not available...

    3. Re:Summary blames the wrong companies by Ramze · · Score: 1

      And this makes one wonder what the result will be. Say you have Corporation X that wants to release its content through Netflix, but only to countries A,B,C,D, and E -- because F,G,H, and I have lucrative movie theater, TV distribution, DVD/BluRay sales, or other marketing channels that they want to play their course before streaming to. Now, instead of just telling Netflix where it can and can't stream within the EU, it must decide when it wants the entire EU to be able to view its content through Netflix.

      Point being, you may get the lowest common denominator here and have all your releases pushed back so that viewings don't interfere with other distribution channels and cannibalize sales. This would get worse as the EU added members. Ah, Turkey is in the EU now... so... we have a different language release date especially for Turkey for DVD sales... and we want to make sure people that want to see the movie will buy those first, so ALL of the EU will have to wait 'til that's done before we release our movie to EU Netflix.

  17. Re:Governments and Free Markets don't mix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well for one thing, being able to buy from anywhere in the world will automatically mean "priced the same".

    If I price it cheaper in Asian/African countries to be affordable in those low wage economies, why would everyone else in the world be willing to pay more ?

    So, if everything gets priced at the lowest market value, it will probably prevent a lot of digital works from being created at all simply because the returns are too low or they loose money.

    Creation of digital content costs money, everybody who works on it wants to be paid for their work.

  18. Re:Governments and Free Markets don't mix by luis_a_espinal · · Score: 1

    Well for one thing, being able to buy from anywhere in the world will automatically mean "priced the same".

    If I price it cheaper in Asian/African countries to be affordable in those low wage economies, why would everyone else in the world be willing to pay more ?

    So, if everything gets priced at the lowest market value, it will probably prevent a lot of digital works from being created at all simply because the returns are too low or they loose money.

    Creation of digital content costs money, everybody who works on it wants to be paid for their work.

    Not necessarily, economics of scale could more that make up for the lower resale price. A small number times billions of buyers == still a very big fucking number.

    I see what you are saying, and I acknowledge it could go either way for many a producer. But it would also open the gates to many, many others. Say, you are a small, independent film developer. Your film barely breaks in the US market at all (it happens all the time.)

    But by being made available at affordable prices all over the world, all of the sudden your product gets exposure to far more customer than in the US alone. If your product is of any quality, it will be purchased and you will get your return on investment.

  19. Re:Governments and Free Markets don't mix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because I haven't yet figured out the right price point for your region. Just because something costs 1 USD, doesn't mean it should cost 1 CAD, 1 GBP, and 1 EUR.

    And the price point is more than just currency differences. There is also what the free market can handle in that country. If the majority of Americans can only afford 1 USD, but the majority of Canadians can afford 2 USD, then I need to charge them 2 USD (or whatever 2 USD is in CAD), because it is my obligation to the shareholders to maximise revenue.

    And as I said, you do not have a right to interfere with this. I OWN the content and I have the rights to distribute it as I see fit. Just because you disagree does not give you the right to violate my rights as the copyright holder.

  20. Varying copyright terms; age rating by tepples · · Score: 1

    Region-restricted work B is based on an underlying work A whose author has been dead for more than 50 but less than 100 years. Copyright in work A has expired in the countries where work B is available but still subsists in other countries. If the publisher of work B were to make work B available in countries where copyright in work A subsists, the publisher of work A would sue the publisher of work B and win.

    Or a work has an age rating in one country but is Refused Classification in another.

    Or a work has an age rating in one country, and the other country requires all commercially available works in that medium to be age rated for that country, but the publisher has no evidence of enough interest in the work in the other country to justify the cost of submitting it to the other country's age rating board.

    1. Re:Varying copyright terms; age rating by GNious · · Score: 1

      EU has fairly unified copyright rules.
      Age restrictions apply, but except for a small set (e.g. Nazi symbolism in material to be sold in Germany), getting refused classification is unlikely - if you cannot/will sell a product in some EU countries because of differing age-restrictions, you wont want to sell it to non-EU countries either.

    2. Re:Varying copyright terms; age rating by tepples · · Score: 1

      EU has fairly unified copyright rules.

      But a work available outside the EU might not be available in the EU because of said "unified copyright rules."

  21. Re:Governments and Free Markets don't mix by tepples · · Score: 1

    Then why do copyright owners tend not to restrict availability or charge different prices within a single sovereign country, such as in Wyoming vs. California?

  22. Copyright owner would have to stop trading in EU by tepples · · Score: 1

    If a copyright owner does not consent to the digital single market, it would have to withdraw its works from all streaming services across the European Union. I am not privy to the contracts between copyright owners and streaming services in order to determine whether they allow a copyright owner to perform such a withdrawal.

  23. Re:Governments and Free Markets don't mix by aevan · · Score: 1

    You're thinking small. Ask for ID and price the customer based on their income bracket.

  24. Re:Governments and Free Markets don't mix by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

    Well for one thing, being able to buy from anywhere in the world will automatically mean "priced the same".

    Any distributor would like to be able to segment the market so they discriminate on price if it could, but in the digital market that's a mug's game. You're right - digital content will, over time, tend to be priced the same everywhere, but I consider this a feature, not a bug. An author's cut of the digital pie, be it an expensive hardcover or a cheap paperback was no larger than it is now in the days when publishers controlled physical book markets - when digital prices get cheap, it's happening because the costs of physical distribution and middleman profit have been shaved out of the system.

  25. Re:Governments and Free Markets don't mix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ah interesting you want the creator or more likely publisher to be able to ake advantage of a global trading system backed by law to maximise their profit and invest in that product yet and call it i the free market but at the sime time expect that legal \ social system to restrict the consumer \ buyer of said softwares rights\access of said markets.