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Microsoft Now Offers Patent Troll Defense For Azure Customers (thestack.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Microsoft Azure will now offer customers protection against patent trolling, via Redmond's considerable collection of 10,000 legal patents. The practice of patent trolling has become an industry hazard for startups in the last fifteen years, with companies forming solely for the purpose of exploiting obscure or difficult-to-research patents which may overlap with the IP of startups. As of today, Azure is offering 'uncapped indemnification coverage', including coverage against open-source implementations of entities such as Hadoop, which forms the basis of Azure's HD Insight product.

31 comments

  1. Fake news defense! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now available on Facebook.

  2. How about Linux by Bender+Unit+22 · · Score: 5, Funny

    If I run Linux in azure, will I then be protected against patent lawsuits from microsoft that they believe that Linux violates? :D

    1. Re:How about Linux by halivar · · Score: 1, Interesting

      The Halloween emails were almost 20 years ago. No one from that time is left in Redmond. At some point, it's time to let it go.

    2. Re:How about Linux by spacepimp · · Score: 3, Informative

      Interesting considering the FUD campaign is still alive and well with their android tax.

    3. Re:How about Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was hoping I would be protected from SCO...

    4. Re:How about Linux by HalAtWork · · Score: 1

      Yes, it's if you don't go through MS to run Linux that you have to worry. That's a nice cluster you got there... shame if it should get tangled in some unfortunate litigation...

    5. Re:How about Linux by khz6955 · · Score: 2

      halivar: "The Halloween emails were almost 20 years ago. No one from that time is left in Redmond. At some point, it's time to let it go."

      "Acquired rights. You will defend us against any claim that arises .. We may modify this agreement at any time by posting a revised version on the legal information section of the Portal" ref

      translation: You agree to be fucked twice in both ends ..

    6. Re:How about Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If I run Linux in azure, will I then be protected against patent lawsuits from microsoft that they believe that Linux violates? :D

      It's against patent trolls, NPEs. Like it or not, Microsoft is not a "patent troll", they assert patent rights that even a behemoth the size of Samsung (a company that continues to fight legal battles against Apple over patents) decided not to fight. The position that "we don't know what they are but they're invalid and Microsoft is a patent troll because we don't like Microsoft" is pretty silly.

      The thing about patents is they are valid if the USPTO says they are regardless of whether you or anybody else agrees or not, that is the organization that needs a swift kick up the ass.

  3. The 10,000 patents are useless against trolls by SlaveToTheGrind · · Score: 4, Informative

    The summary (as well as the cited article) gloms together two unrelated issues. The 10,000 patents have nothing to do with protection against patent trolls -- by definition, trolls typically don't have an active business and therefore there's nothing to infringe patents that a defendant might counter-assert.

    The original MS blog post clearly separates the unlimited indemnification (useful for all patent suits, including troll suits) from access to the 10,000 patents (potentially useful for patent suits filed by real operating companies who might have products of their own that fall under MS's patents).

    1. Re:The 10,000 patents are useless against trolls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah but trolls probably use Microsoft Windows.

    2. Re:The 10,000 patents are useless against trolls by Gilgaron · · Score: 2

      IANAL, but if you claim that you're operating under licensed patent from MS, and the troll claims that you're violating their patent, don't they have to go fight MS now? If nothing else, letters from MS lawyers would probably send them scurrying for easier pickings.

    3. Re: The 10,000 patents are useless against trolls by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Patent trolls have sued MS in the past and won so I don't think that they are particulary afraid of MS.

    4. Re:The 10,000 patents are useless against trolls by SlaveToTheGrind · · Score: 1

      IANAL, but if you claim that you're operating under licensed patent from MS, and the troll claims that you're violating their patent, don't they have to go fight MS now?

      No. Different patents are legally required to cover different things, so the fact that one aspect of something I do might be covered by one of MS's patents has no bearing on whether a different aspect of it might be covered by the troll's patent.

    5. Re:The 10,000 patents are useless against trolls by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      You've a far better respect for the patent office than I if you think they wouldn't issue slightly different patents for more or less identical procedures, especially with computer related activities...

    6. Re:The 10,000 patents are useless against trolls by SlaveToTheGrind · · Score: 1

      You've a far better respect for the patent office than I if you think they wouldn't issue slightly different patents for more or less identical procedures

      Of course they would, and have in the past. But that's perfectly consistent with what I said. The out and out prohibition is against two patents covering exactly the same thing. After that, it becomes a question of degree.

  4. Another idea by surfdaddy · · Score: 1

    When will they offer defenses against advertising in Windows 10?

  5. Wait... by Luthair · · Score: 1

    Is the indemnification for using their service? One would hope that they're selling tools that you as a customer have the right to use...

  6. This is a big deal by nsxdavid · · Score: 4, Interesting

    One can nit-pick all they want, but this is a really great move by Microsoft. We happen to use Azure already, so it's like free cookies (the yummy kind, not the browser kind).

    IP Trolls are a significant threat to any business, and anything that helps is extremely welcome.

    Obviously they didn't do this just out of the pure kindness of their hearts... it gives them a potential competitive advantage in the rapidly expanding cloud market. But a pretty smart one at that.

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    David Whatley
    1. Re:This is a big deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for the info Nadella

  7. Feed the Trolls.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Normally I'd say don't feed the trolls, but in this case, please, feed them.
    They're partial to yummy, lightly salted, honey roasted apple-seeds. They eat bags and bags of them every day.

    In other news, patent trolls dropping like flies... Stay tuned for the full report at 13' O Clock.

  8. Patent for patent defense? by Aaden42 · · Score: 1

    I honestly can't believe that nobody thought to get a business method patent on providing protection against patents.

    1. Re:Patent for patent defense? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quick! Patent it!

  9. Microsoft patents patent trolling by khz6955 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Does this mean that Microsoft front patent trolls like Acacia and Intellectual Ventures can still sue you for using third party cloud services.

    1. Re:Microsoft patents patent trolling by SlaveToTheGrind · · Score: 1

      Not sure what you're talking about with Acacia -- they sue Microsoft all the time. And if IV happens to have any MS patents in its portfolio, they're certainly not included in the 10,000 referenced here.

  10. What a Load of Crap by segedunum · · Score: 1

    Subject says it all. Is Azure doing badly or something?

  11. Like the Mob? by fph+il+quozientatore · · Score: 1

    Isn't this technically protection money? "That's a nice webapp you have there; it'd be a shame if someone sued you and forced you to close. Become an Azure paying customer and you'll be safe!"

    --
    My first program:

    Hell Segmentation fault

  12. OS feudalism by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    If a user ever escapes to code outside their owners OS, any other owners can extract fines from that user.
    Best to only code on your OS owners systems for your own protection...
    The brand is a badge, a heraldic flag to code under. Code in code out, if a user runs away, they will get tracked down by roving legal teams.
    Be protected on your lords land or the many trolls will get you in the wild forests and mountains...
    Cloud tenure, a new tithe and indulgences next upgrade?

    You've... you've got a nice code base here, Developer.
    We can guarantee you that not a single armoured computer game will get patent trolled for fifteen bob a week.

    --
    Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
  13. lol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    right so too bad their own company is a patented troll.

  14. self destructing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If fear factor is used in any way, how can any developer think freely and code? Does it not limit? Even protection cushion also limits the thinking. Definitely innovation of whoever uses this azure...