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Republicans Are Reportedly Using a Self-Destructing Message App To Avoid Leaks (theverge.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Verge: Trump administration members and other Republicans are using the encrypted, self-destructing messaging app Confide to keep conversations private in the wake of hacks and leaks, according to Jonathan Swan and David McCabe at Axios. Axios writes that "numerous senior GOP operatives and several members of the Trump administration" have downloaded Confide, which automatically wipes messages after they're read. One operative told Axios that the app "provides some cover" for people in the party. He ties it to last year's hack of the Democratic National Committee, which led to huge and damaging information dumps of DNC emails leading up to the 2016 election. But besides outright hacks, the source also said he liked the fact that Confide makes it difficult to screenshot messages, because only a few words are shown at a time. That suggests that it's useful not just for reducing paper trails, but for stopping insiders from preserving individual messages -- especially given the steady flow of leaks that have come out since Trump took office. As Axios notes, official White House business is subject to preservation rules, although we don't know much about who's allegedly using Confide and what they're doing with it, so it's not clear whether this might run afoul of those laws. It's also difficult to say how much this is a specifically Republican phenomenon, and how much is a general move toward encryption.

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  1. Isn't this illegal? by rsilvergun · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Aren't they required to conduct all government business on government systems? Didn't Hilary got a whole lot of crap (and lose an election) over this?

    Welp, they're in charge so I guess they get to make the rules, but did they even bother to change the laws first?

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    1. Re:Isn't this illegal? by quantaman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Aren't they required to conduct all government business on government systems? Didn't Hilary got a whole lot of crap (and lose an election) over this?

      Welp, they're in charge so I guess they get to make the rules, but did they even bother to change the laws first?

      Trump and the GOP are hypocrites?

      That's unpossible!

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    2. Re:Isn't this illegal? by Carewolf · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Aren't they required to conduct all government business on government systems? Didn't Hilary got a whole lot of crap (and lose an election) over this?

      Welp, they're in charge so I guess they get to make the rules, but did they even bother to change the laws first?

      Yes, it is. And what Hillary was accused of by the Republicans.

      But.. Hillary's emails.

    3. Re:Isn't this illegal? by Gr8Apes · · Score: 5, Funny

      Aren't they required to conduct all government business on government systems? Didn't Hilary got a whole lot of crap (and lose an election) over this?

      Welp, they're in charge so I guess they get to make the rules, but did they even bother to change the laws first?

      Trump and the GOP are hypocrites?

      That's unpossible!

      Inconceivable!

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    4. Re:Isn't this illegal? by desdinova+216 · · Score: 4, Funny

      you keep using that word...

    5. Re:Isn't this illegal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually they are. Records must be kept for presidential libraries.

    6. Re: Isn't this illegal? by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Insightful

      When was Hillary Clinton POTUS so she could do these terrible things from her high position of power that you speak of.

      Seriously, you're left defending Trump by creating an imaginary Hillary Clinton presidency to point to. But it doesn't work like that. Trump claimed to be draining the swamp, but I guess what he really meant is that he was going to make a new swamp, twice is smelly and with him right at the moment.

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    7. Re:Isn't this illegal? by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, McCain, at the sunset of his political career, clearly is in a "I don't give a fuck what anyone thinks" kind of mood, and while McConnell remains somewhat deferential, he doesn't seem at all thrilled with the Administration either. Mind you, that really was the intent of the Senate, that Senators' longer terms and one-third per election was meant as a partial insulator of the sort of electoral winds that preoccupy the House and the White House.

      Still, you're right. The GOP leadership have become a sort of modern group of von Papens, staring on impotently in disbelief as the new leader shocks and awes everyone. The chief difference is of course the historical leader I speak of actually seemed to have some notion of what he's doing, whereas Trump literally does seem to be stumbling around blindly. That shocks me because we've all been told countless times what brilliant people the likes of Bannon and Conway are, and yet, as so often is revealed, those that are skillful at achieving power are often astonishingly bad at its application.

      My prediction is that Conway, Bannon and Spicer are not long for this world. Not only are there rumors floating around that the Kushners are in a tug of war with Bannon, but even without that, Bannon's use of his newfound influence to push through Executive Orders is making Trump look foolish and unprepared, and as we know, nothing is ever Donald Trump's fault, so we know when Trump looks foolish, he looks for fall guys. Just look at Paul Manafort's take.

      If I believed Trump wasn't an idiot, I'd almost wonder if letting Bannon and Conway fuck up so badly was part of a plan that would end in a Trumpesque version of the Night of the Long Knives.

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    8. Re: Isn't this illegal? by currently_awake · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In the private language of Big Business Moguls, "The Swamp" is their name for government interference in their ability to make money.

    9. Re:Isn't this illegal? by NatasRevol · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's at least unpresidented.

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    10. Re:Isn't this illegal? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Baloney. The Presidential Libraries acts of 1978 and 1986 allow government records to be transferred to Presidential Libraries, but they do not require presidential communications to use only government channels, or even to be recorded at all.

      Bill, that's just not true.

      "The Presidential Records Act (PRA) of 1978, 44 U.S.C. 2201–2207, is an Act of Congress of the United States governing the official records of Presidents and Vice Presidents created or received after January 20, 1981, and mandating the preservation of all presidential records. The PRA changed the legal ownership of the official records of the President from private to public, and established a new statutory structure under which Presidents must manage their records."

      Further, courts since Nixon have upheld this provision of the law. Presidential records must be preserved. As Sean Spicer would say, "period".

      Now, presidents have issued executive orders attempting to countermand this provision (Reagan, Bush I and Bush II), in an effort to circumvent it and to keep their evil-doing secret for as long as possible, but as recently as 2007, the courts have said, "Nah, fuck that". If you want to keep something from the public, you better classify it. That's how we got to the point where so much of what our government says and does is classified. The recent discussion of Trump's horribly botched raid in Yemen is an example of this. We know the target was missed, we know 30 civilians died (including an 8 year-old girl), we know that a Special Services soldier died and an aircraft was lost, but when asked why the administration was calling the raid a great success, the answer was, "It's classified".

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  2. I wonder by TFlan91 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I wonder if they still want that backdoor to that encryption sitting there for someone to stumble on...

  3. Just use a Samsung Note 7 by ClickOnThis · · Score: 5, Funny

    "This phone will self-destruct in 5 seconds. Good luck, Kellyanne."

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  4. Re:Don't care anymore by Faluzeer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    it's Republicans doing it so it's OK.

    Whilst I believe you are being facetious, your post outlines the problems with partisan political supporters (of all sides), they consider something to be wrong only if it is done by those they don't support.

  5. If you're doing nothing wrong by HalAtWork · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "If you're doing nothing wrong then you've got nothing to hide"... is that how the saying goes?

  6. Re:Don't care anymore by coastwalker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Whether it is right or wrong all criminal organisations adopt a policy of destroying records. That way there is no incriminating evidence left lying around. Trump certainly knows how to behave like a gangster.

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  7. Re:That's becoming a meme by dszd0g · · Score: 5, Informative

    He flirts and hits on 10-15 year old girls regularly (often enough that there are multiple tapes of him doing it). He liked walked in on underage teenage girls naked changing and bragged about being the only man allowed to do it on the Howard Stern show. He had his staff try to encourage the underage teenage girls that were naked to flirt with him saying they were more likely to win the contests if they did. He talked about wanting to sleep with teenage girls on the Howard Stern show. In my opinion, that makes him a pedophile.

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  8. Re: That's becoming a meme by dszd0g · · Score: 5, Informative

    You are on Slashdot. You should understand deleting one copy of data isn't actually deleting it when other copies exist. You are doing exactly what Trump, Fox News, and Brietbart did by using the term "deleted" when referring to one copy of the data to imply that data was lost. The first sentence was a misquote. I said "Nothing was really deleted" because other copies of the data existed; thus no crime. When handing over the business only data Hillary was very clear about what had been done and that she had a law office sort the data.

    There is no cover-up or conspiracy here. Republicans managed to make one out of thin air. I do have to credit them with managing to convince so many Americans that a crime was committed when one wasn't.

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  9. Re:That's becoming a meme by dwillden · · Score: 4, Informative

    What was actionable: The 150+ Emails containing classified information that were on her unclassified private server. Each email constitutes a count of either failure to protect/negligent mishandling or intentional security compromise. Both charges are felonies, the first though has no requirement of Intent. Each count is worth 5 to 10 years in Prison and $10,000 or higher fine. How is that for actionable and quantifiable "what"?

    Everybody entrusted with classified information is held to the same legal standards, many a lessor person has faced decades in Jail for such a crimes. She could get lucky and be charged with the negligent mishandling charges for all the emails she sent. (she is not liable for emails sent to her that might have contained such info, but then the FBI should be going after whoever sent those to her), but as Classified information, is stored on physically separate networks and machines, the act of transferring the data, especially the Top Secret info that was on some of the emails, is a deliberate act so she should face the slightly more severe deliberate security compromise charges.

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  10. Since Washington's staff in 1796. Staff under Pres by raymorris · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That's an interesting argument. It was resolved quite some time ago. The counter-argument is of course that because the President is empowered to fulfill his duties as he sees fit, one method he may use is to hire staff to assist him in his duties. The White House staff operates under the Constitutional authority of the President, as agents of the President. Their authority doesn't come from the Congress. Further, interfering with the White House staff *is* interfering with the President's conduct of his Constitutional duties. This is the reasoning the Supreme Court has mostly used - Congress may not generally interfere with the President's conduct of diplomacy*, and because the President conducts diplomacy by using his staff, interfering with staff *is* interfering with the President's powers.

    Not only can Congress not specify a particular means of communication, they can not even *look* at internal White House memos if the President indicates that doing so would interfere with his Constitutional duties. This is called "executive privilege" and it was first invoked by George Washington. In 1796, Presiden Washington refused to comply with a request by the House of Representatives for documents related to the negotiation of the Jay Treaty. Many, many Presidents since Washington have invoked executive privilege, and most of the time they've won.

    A major turning point in executive privilege was Nixon. The Nixon administration refused to turn over documents related to Watergate, saying "executive privilege". The Supreme Court ruled that while a President may keep White House communications private, in a criminal investigation of that magnitude he had to give more explanation than just saying "executive privilege". Given the gravity of the situation and the legitimate interest in the papers, he would need to say "turning over the papers would interfere with my Constitutional powers because ...", SCOTUS said. While technically the court ruled against Nixon, they stressed that generally the White House *may* choose not to reveal their communications to Congress or the courts - in criminal cases of major public interest, they just need to state a *reason* they aren't turning over the communications.

    For 25 years after Nixon no President lost an executive privilege claim. The Clinton administration claimed executive privilege a record fourteen times, and lost only once.

    So yeah that is an interesting argument you've made. That argument has not been the successful argument throughput history.

    * Aside from ratification of treaties by the Senate only.