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Russia Considers Sending Snowden Back To US As a 'Gift' To Trump (nbcnews.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from NBC News: U.S. intelligence has collected information that Russia is considering turning over Edward Snowden as a "gift" to President Donald Trump -- who has called the NSA leaker a "spy" and a "traitor" who deserves to be executed. That's according to a senior U.S. official who has analyzed a series of highly sensitive intelligence reports detailing Russian deliberations and who says a Snowden handover is one of various ploys to "curry favor" with Trump. A second source in the intelligence community confirms the intelligence about the Russian conversations and notes it has been gathered since the inauguration. Snowden's ACLU lawyer, Ben Wizner, told NBC News they are unaware of any plans that would send him back to the United States. "Team Snowden has received no such signals and has no new reason for concern," Wizner said. Former deputy national security adviser Juan Zarate urged the Trump administration to be cautious in accepting any Snowden offer from Russian President Vladimir Putin. The White House had no comment, but the Justice Department told NBC News it would welcome the return of Snowden, who currently faces federal charges that carry a minimum of 30 years in prison. Putin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said talk about returning Snowden is "nonsense." If he were returned to American soil, Snowden -- a divisive figure in America who is seen by some as a hero and others as treasonous -- would face an administration that has condemned him in the strongest terms.

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  1. So an American hero might be jailed for life by JoeyRox · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But at least your tech jobs will be protected by Trump's H-1B visa clampdown, right? Hope you can sleep well at night.

    1. Re:So an American hero might be jailed for life by SQL+Error · · Score: 5, Funny

      i sleep like a baby.

      That is, I wake up every couple of hours screaming.

    2. Re:So an American hero might be jailed for life by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Would Snowden have fared any better with the Obama administration? Obama was somewhat more sympathetic towards Snowden, at least in public, but he weaseled out of granting him a pardon (saying he "can't") while he did commute Manning's sentence.

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    3. Re:So an American hero might be jailed for life by ChromeAeonium · · Score: 4, Informative

      1) It's possible to feel that Trump is right on some issues like the H-1Bs but still wrong on others and/or a raging asshole.

      2) Jailed? If he's lucky. Trump has in the past implied Snowden should be executed, and his CIA director has explicitly said as much.

      3) Don't make this partisan; Obama had plenty of opportunity to do the right thing. He didn't.

    4. Re:So an American hero might be jailed for life by JoeyRox · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Russia would have never offered Snowden to Obama. In fact the entire reason Putin took Snowden in was to embarrass Obama.

    5. Re:So an American hero might be jailed for life by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 5, Funny

      Meanwhile, Julian Assage sits ignored in the Ecuadorian Embassy pouting: "What about me? What about MEEEEEEEEEE!"

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    6. Re:So an American hero might be jailed for life by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That makes sense. But the fact that Putin might extradite Snowden to cosy up to Trump is hardly something you can blame Trump for directly, much less his voters.

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    7. Re:So an American hero might be jailed for life by naubol · · Score: 5, Informative

      The argument is that he's a whistleblower who exposed rampant systemic violation of the law. Not that you want to engage a real argument.

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    8. Re:So an American hero might be jailed for life by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      So what exactly were these foreign (who?) and domestic (who?) actors going to contest and how were they going to contest it? If a person commits a crime but enters into a legal contract that has nothing to do with that crime exactly how does that crime affect the contract and by what legal theory? How long do you think the odds are of the Supreme Court declaring Nixon's time in office a titanic fucking mulligan with everything he signed having zero legal standing?

      Ford had one job: not get in the way of justice. He failed, and ever since then there has been an insidious legal theory that the President is above the law. Now that is catastrophic.

    9. Re:So an American hero might be jailed for life by Anonymous+Bullard · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In fact the entire reason Putin took Snowden in was to embarrass Obama.

      And the entire reason Edward Snowden was stranded in Russia against his will was because the US aggressively cut off all other escape routes and invalidated his passport.

      He chose to risk his freedom and even his life to reveal illegal and arguably unpatriotic behaviour by the US "intelligence" agencies, but he never chose to become a pawn in Putin's, and now Trump's, game of self-aggrandizement.

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  2. US Disinformation? by mbone · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This doesn't pass the smell test.

    One thing that the Russians (and, for that matter, the Americans) understand well is protecting people who turn to their side. If the Russians send Snowden back, it will be a long time before they get another actual defector* to come out of the cold.

    * Snowden is not a defector.

    1. Re:US Disinformation? by Fire_Wraith · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Correct, you don't just burn an asset* for no reason. You do it because it gains you an advantage, such as to protect a much bigger asset - such as the suggestions that this is meant to distract from scandals about pro-Russian influence in Trump's advisors. It becomes a cost-benefit analysis of whether they think what they get out of it is worth the questions it raises in the minds of future defectors/spies/etc.

      http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/10/...
      http://www.vox.com/world/2017/...

      *Regardless of what we think of Snowden or his motives or his actions, this is how Putin/Russian intelligence will look at him.

    2. Re:US Disinformation? by gweihir · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And fail. You protect a source at all cost as long as it does not turn on you or does something obviously stupid. Because if you do not, you will lose all your other sources and will not get any new ones. Spycraft 101. There is no advantage great enough to outweigh that.

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    3. Re: US Disinformation? by gweihir · · Score: 5, Informative

      He did not plan to enter Russia at all and was stuck in international territory for quite a while as a result. Russia (unlike the US) accepts international law, so you can change planes at an international airport in Russia without entering the country.

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  3. Re:both outcomes were hostile. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You realise those same security services protected your country

    It's fine to have a national intelligence service.

    It's not fine to turn it inward on its own population, Stasi style.

    It's not fine to use "parallel construction" and have the government lie about the nature of evidence it presents against people.

    The NSA violated the highest law of the land on a vast scale, as a matter of policy, and thus has lost its legitimacy as a public institution. That fact needed to be made clear to the people.

  4. Re:both outcomes were hostile. by rmdingler · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Dude sealed his own fate when he let himself be seduced by Putin. You know - the guy that murders journalists and political opponents.

    Hmmmm.

    Seduced by Putin? or...

    Here's a place that'll have me with no extradition treaty with the US.

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  5. Re:both outcomes were hostile. by Lehk228 · · Score: 3, Funny

    you have to understand, russia is not yet as wealthy as the US.

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  6. Re:FAKE NEWS by skam240 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Where in that linked to article does it "confirm" that this is fake news? Why would Russian spokesmen validate something Russia is only considering?

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  7. They might but not as a gift. by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If they do this, it wouldn't be to "curry favor" with Trump, it would be a move to further destabilize the US. As a result of multiple factors (including Russian interference) we have a the most unpopular president in a century who is extremely divisive. Returning Snowden would be a move to stoke those flames and cause more unrest. There are many reasons for doing this but ultimately, a less stable US is better for their own nation.

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  8. It's SANCTIONS not Snowden by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You're looking at Snowden, but there will be a quid-pro-quo deal, in exchange Trump will lift sanctions against Russia as fake reward for sending over Snowden. The real purpose here is to have an excuse to lift sanctions for Trump to sell to the GOP, not for Snowden.

    Once again, please be clear here, Trump did a deal with Putin and it's worth more to Putin that Trump blocking Cyber security bills, attacking NATO, and removing the military from the National Security Council. Putin will get trade sanctions lifted and everything else besides in exchange Trump will get hacking help in the next election.

    Can I remind you of some of my other predictions.... namely 6 eyes, Russia added to 5 eyes on excuse of fighting ISIS? Or Iran attacked to force them over to Russia, giving Russia effective control of the region.... that one is also in progress.

    1. Re:It's SANCTIONS not Snowden by rtb61 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Putin and his colleges completely and totally outsmarted greed driven US defence industries and the scam they were pushing. The planned for the sanctions and for Russia they worked fantastically. Basically the Russian government was able to cut off supply of imported product whilst continuing to export energy, without the Russian public complaining about the lack of European goods. In that time Russians were weaned off imported product and became accustomed to locally produced product and development of locally produced product grew enormously. They were also able to substantially increase importation of South American product and build strong ties there. They are quite content for the sanctions to continue whilst they continue to export energy.

      Likelihood of Russia handing over Snowden, somewhere in the very large negative numbers, they want more Snowden not less, especially now. Russia knows their networks are hacked and the volume of misinformation flowing across them would be huge. Computers are really good at generating empty data and all sorts of crap to entice US knob heads would be flowing and every time some idiots leak, Russia knows what bit of the network was hacked.

      When it comes to intelligence agencies by far the bulk of data flowing would by honey pots and misinformation, it makes logical sense. How much crap should be produced compared to real data, something 1,000 pieces of crap for each bit of real data and 99% of that should lead to honey pots. The Russians are likely laughing the tits off right now.

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  9. Re:both outcomes were hostile. by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    He wasn't trying to go to Russia, he got stuck there. It was an accident.

    More to the point, we stuck him there. After his travel documents were revoked, he couldn't go anywhere else. He is precisely where we apparently wanted him.

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  10. Gotta love intelligence agencies by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 5, Interesting

    and the games they play.

    Let's put this story out there and see if we can get him to panic and / or introduce some suspicion to his relationship with the Russian government.

    If I were Team Snowden, I would respond with dusting off another, yet to be released, bombshell about what potentially illegal activities the NSA has been up to.

  11. I cannot imagine by Max_W · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Edward being handed over to the US authorities. I think it would cause the third Russian revolution, a kind of Storming of the Bastille.

    Russian society gave to the world such great [real] freedom thinkers as Mikhail Bakunin, who has got quite a few followers nowadays.