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Hundreds of Stonehenge-Like Monuments Found In The Amazon Rainforest (yahoo.com)

turkeydance quotes The Telegraph: Hundreds of ancient earthworks resembling those at Stonehenge were built in the Amazon rainforest, scientists have discovered after flying drones over the area. The findings prove for the first time that prehistoric settlers in Brazil cleared large wooded areas to create huge enclosures meaning that the 'pristine' rainforest celebrated by ecologists is actually relatively new.
The researchers believe the monuments appeared roughly 2,000 years ago -- so after Stonehenge (by about 2,500 years). "It is thought they were used only sporadically," reports the BBC, "possibly as ritual gathering places similar to the Maya pyramids of Central America, or Britain's own Stonehenge."

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  1. Only the earthworks are visible by Hognoxious · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Only the earthworks are visible. Seems somebody messed up on the units for the stones.

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    1. Re:Only the earthworks are visible by TWX · · Score: 2

      If there were stones present at some point it's possible that subsequent generations found other uses for the raw material and broke them up and carted them off. Archeologists and Paleontologists could probably do the field work to support or refute this.

      Also kind of makes you wonder how quickly it would be hard to find evidence of human habitation in Europe if large portions of the continent had suffered population crashes and full abandonment during the Bronze Age. Hell, look at the way thirty years of abandonment in the Chernobyl Exclusion Zone has progressed, and that's with the presence of relatively modern materials that stand out significantly from the natural environment. Depending on the scale of the earthworks found in South America it'll be interesting to see if this revises historical population numbers.

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    2. Re:Only the earthworks are visible by bruce_the_loon · · Score: 5, Informative

      These structures resemble henges, which are defined as a circular earthwork with a ditch inside the earthwork. Most defensive earthworks have the raised bit inside the ditch so the defenders have higher ground while the attackers are left to scramble through the ditch and then try to climb the earthwork.

      Stonehenge is a henge with standing stones inside the ditch perimeter. It's a bad example to keep using as most people will keep thinking henges are the standing stone circle because of the name of the site.

      The Brits think the henges are ceremonial partly because of finds inside the henge and partly because it makes no defensive sense. Some chaps think it might be to keep the dead enclosed, i.e. the inside ditch keeps them from escaping and haunting the living.

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    3. Re:Only the earthworks are visible by camperdave · · Score: 2

      There's a lot of speculation of that sort on a show called Life after People. Things do deteriorate quickly if not maintained.

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    4. Re:Only the earthworks are visible by Freischutz · · Score: 2

      Only the earthworks are visible. Seems somebody messed up on the units for the stones.

      Much of what makes Stonehenge remarkable is simply the fact that is made of stone, other than that Stonehenge is not that much more special than other circular monuments in the UK and the rest of Europe. In fact there is a large number of circular monuments all over Europe that are as big or even bigger than Stonehenge. Most these circular neolithic monuments in Europe were actually wood 'henges' and there are literally hundreds of them that have been found in recent years all the way from Britain through Germany and Poland down into Austria, Switzerland, the Czech Republic, Slovakia and into the Hungary. There is no reason to doubt that these Amazonian 'henges' were made of wood. That is to say if all of these remains even were 'henges', some of these earth works might be the remains of fortified villages.

    5. Re:Only the earthworks are visible by ClickOnThis · · Score: 2

      Only the earthworks are visible. Seems somebody messed up on the units for the stones.

      I'll just leave this here. Surprised it hasn't shown up sooner.

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    6. Re:Only the earthworks are visible by Photonmaker · · Score: 2

      I can't believe no one caught the Spinal Tap reference here.

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    7. Re:Only the earthworks are visible by MightyYar · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's not arrogance at all to refuse to make suppositions without sufficient evidence. We find no refined aluminum or titanium when we dig, and yet we cover most of the planet. We find no evidence that fossil fuels were previously tapped, despite being obvious and cheap sources of energy. Nothing has been found orbiting the planet of artificial origin, despite mapping everything down to baseball size. There is no radiological evidence that would suggest any kind of nuclear testing prior to the 1940s. What possible reason would we have to suspect that we are not the most technologically advanced apes to ever inhabit the planet?

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  2. Re:"pristine' rainforest celebrated by ecologists" by MightyMartian · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Translation: I try to minimize the qualifications of people who say things I don't like to hear.

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  3. Knowledge about the age of the rainforest is known by Hasaf · · Score: 2

    The book 1492: The Year the World Began, by Felipe Fernández-Armesto, is not a new book. However, it goes into detail about the not so ancient American civilizations. It does promote the crowded Americas theory; which is gaining prominence. Essentially, the records of the first explorers and settlers is very different from the Americas seen by the large waves of explorers and settlers, only a few years later.

  4. Not new proof of settlement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Terra preta has been found along the Amazon over wide areas. This manmade soil type is evidence of not just occasional occupation but regular long term occupation. So these new findings don't really newly establish that there were settlements. The soil has already done this.

  5. Stonehenge, without the stones? by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 5, Informative
    They found what they call geoglyphs. Circular earthworks and with a ditch around them. Some places two level deep ditches and earthworks. But so far there is no evidence there was a stone structures, especially the classic a lintel propped up on top of two stone pillars is not found. It is the structures that were stunning and their alignment with equinoxes and solstices that make them very special.

    Earth work and ditches would have been the earliest form of defenses. Let us not belittle the discovery. These earthworks tell us a lot about early settlers in the Amazon region. Also they discovered agriculture late. Eincorn wheat was domesticated in the Levant 11000 years ago, rice in China 9000 years ago. Corn was domesticated in South America just 3000 or 4000 years ago. Domestication of crops correlates with sedentism, and a transition from hunter/gatherer to farmer. We remember that transition in the New World as the story of Cain (farmer) and Abel (hunter). We need to learn the transition in the New World from these clues. So the findings are very very significant.

    It is already a great and significant find. Comparing it to stonehenge is counterproductive. Stonehenge was 5000 years after domestication of crops in the New World. These geoglyphs seem to be concurrent with the domestication of corn. It is unfair to compare geoglyphs with stonehenge.

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    1. Re:Stonehenge, without the stones? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Informative

      It is the structures that were stunning and their alignment with equinoxes and solstices that make them very special.

      Earthworks can definitely be astronomically aligned. And I don't know if you've ever visited any, but they are also quite stunning.

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  6. Re:"pristine' rainforest celebrated by ecologists" by NatasRevol · · Score: 2

    shocking that some coder dudebro doesn't know what actual scientists are.

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  7. Ritual gathering places, indeed by Provocateur · · Score: 3, Funny

    At certain hours that were preannounced through the week, the local townspeople would gather round these so-called meeting places and show off the tinier stones and rocks that they have collected prior to their arrival at the area. When the warning horn has been sounded, the townsfolk would grab as many of these rocks as they can in their fists, and await the first of the drones. As soon as the first one is spotted, the populace would start casting their rocks and stones, without giving a damn about gravity's tug and its sometimes painful consequences. Not many of these drones returned, nor have any been spotted since.

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  8. Not pristine? Baloney! by duckintheface · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The article states that " the 'pristine' rainforest celebrated by ecologists is actually relatively new." The discovery shows nothing of the sort. This must have been funded by an oil company. Only a tiny fraction of the rainforest was cut and for only a relatively short time. As soon as the use of the sites stopped,the surrounding pristine rainforest reclaimed the sites. This was not a distrubance of biological significance.

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  9. Re:Knowledge about the age of the rainforest is kn by Hasaf · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The assumption that he puts forth is that between the first explorers, and the large wave that followed later, there was a massive death rate due to the introductions of Western diseases. This large die-off was not seen or recorded, by Westerners, because the bulk of it occurred between the exploration stages.

    He discusses many of the records of the second wave of explorers, they wrote of well tended, but empty, forests and fruit plantations. Many of their observations reflected that there was a recent, and large population; yet they were not seeing that large population. here is the wikipedia summary https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    The, essential, anarchy seen by later explorers, and settlers as not a fair look at how the Americas had been. What those of the later stages were seeing was the result of a societal collapse to below the levels need for continuation.

    To put this in geek terms, imagine that you arrived on earth after the zombie apocalypse, your assumptions would be different than they would be if you arrived today.

  10. Re:Knowledge about the age of the rainforest is kn by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

    Just for reference, population estimates for all of Europe (where it hasn't been inflated by agendas) at the dawn of the bronze age was about 100,000. Estimates of 10s of millions of natives living in the Americas is simply politicised nonsense. The land couldn't support that many people at their technology level.

    This whole thing is driven by the scammy nature of most early American colonization, explorers claimed 'streets of gold' to raise funds in Europe. Now dumb people take _all_ these claims on face value to claim 40 million natives had lived in the Americas. before smallpox killed them. It's just hippy mythology.

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  11. Hylandr the highlander? by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

    An English archaeologist is digging and finds some copper fragments. He concludes that the ancient Britons were very advanced for their time because they had a telephone system.

    A French archaeologist is digging and finds some bits of glass. He concludes that the Gauls were even more advanced because they had fibre-optics.

    A Scottish archaeologist is digging and finds nothing at all. He concludes that the Picts were the most advanced of all, as they all had satellite phones.

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