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Netflix Geoblocking Loosened Under New EU Law (thestack.com)

An anonymous reader writes: "The European Parliament is now finalizing legislation which will allow EU residents to access their paid subscriptions for online media -- such as video streaming, games and music -- while visiting other EU countries," reports The Stack. Under the new rules, companies will not be able to arbitrarily block subscribers from accessing the content catalog of their home countries while visiting other parts of the European Union, with country of origin to be established by various possible methods besides IP address, including payment details, public tax information and 'checks on electronic identification'. The issue was brought to a head last year when Netflix began blocking the known IPs of VPN providers, often used by subscribers to access the catalogs of their home countries while travelling.

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  1. its funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    its funny how some of these companies attack trump but then go around geolocking all their shit, they arent cool with globalism depending on how affects their money

    they are fine with the cheap worker from fuckistan lowering my salary but if i use their online store to buy some digital shit in the fuckistan currency because its better for me, then i get banned

    thats why facebook, microsoft, amazon... can talk all they want, it wont matter, once you redpill enough people reality shows its ugly head: they are scum, simple as that

    all globalism is is a way to make money for big companies, and everyone supporting it is human feces

    1. Re:its funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What is wrong about buying something from a country where it is priced cheaper?

      Hasn't your mom explained basic capitalism to you?

      Maybe it's time for these multinational conglomerates to grow up and lie in the bed of their own making?

    2. Re:its funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Maybe it's time for these multinational conglomerates to grow up and lie in the bed of their own making?

      Sure, as long as that includes meeting their tax obligations in their home country (cough...Apple, Google, Facebook...).

    3. Re:its funny by mysidia · · Score: 4, Insightful

      its funny how some of these companies attack trump but then go around geolocking all their shit,

      It is not Netflix; however. It is entertainment companies who license content differently in different jurisdictions either to maximize their profits, or to distribute their profits across multiple vacade organizations in order to minimize tax liability.

    4. Re:its funny by kronix1986 · · Score: 2

      "they are fine with the cheap worker from fuckistan lowering my salary but if i use their online store to buy some digital shit in the fuckistan currency because its better for me, then i get banned"

      Sounds like the Free Market is saying your labour is worth less than "Fuckistani" labour.

      Why should society have to step in to artificially inflate your salary?

  2. flip it around by bhcompy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The issue was brought to a head last year when Netflix began blocking the known IPs of VPN providers, often used by subscribers to access the catalogs of their home countries while travelling.

    I guess that's one way to put it. I'd say most people use the VPNs to access content blocked in their home country, and it sounds like this order actually harms that since your country remains the same regardless of your physical location(or your VPNs physical location).

    1. Re:flip it around by F.Ultra · · Score: 2

      Netflix content is currently based on the location of the connection since that is what the content owners have forced them to do, now the EU is talking about implementing new laws that says that Netflix (among others) have to base it on the location of the account instead.

  3. In other news... by darkpixel2k · · Score: 4, Funny

    The EU rules they are officially members of DVD Regions 1 through 5, but not 6.

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  4. Look behind the curtain by Solandri · · Score: 5, Informative

    As I said before, the streaming services like Netflix would like nothing more than to offer a single streaming catalog for the entire world. It would drastically simplify their operations. All these stories make it seem like they're the culprits, when they're not. They're forced to do this silly geo-blocking by the music and movie studios, who use it as a way to eek out a little more profit via a graduated rollout schedule - movie first shows up in theaters, then via pay per view, then for sale on blu-ray, then on subscription services, then syndicated on TV. Each earlier step gives them a little more revenue per viewer than the later steps.

    The "correct" solution to this is for these studios to get their butts in gear and work at synchronizing these rollouts throughout the entire world. But because they have a monopoly on their shows, there is no competition, so there is no pressure for them to work at synchronizing. So they've been lazy and have been relying on the crutch of geo-blocking to prevent certain countries from getting access to movies and shows which have been out for months in other countries. Since the problem stems from a government-granted monopoly (copyright), the correct solution is for government to step in and prohibit use of the geo-blocking crutch.

    1. Re:Look behind the curtain by mmell · · Score: 3, Insightful
      While providing one unified list of titles for all customers worldwide sounds simple, the fact is that many movies which are highly in demand in country A may well be illegal in country B. For example, Nextflix might well find themselves outright barred from doing business in Russia because of the availability of the movie Red Heat (an example only. I don't even know offhand if it's part of Netflix's offerings). Similarly, Mulan could get Netflix stopped at the Great Firewall of China. Any movie which portrays Islam in a bad light or Judaism in a positive way might well be a problem in much of the Middle East - and the reverse could well get Netflix locked out of Israel (I may be a Jew, but we're no saints!). Sooner or later, I suspect SNL reruns might be a problem for US audiences to watch.

      Those were the obvious examples. More exist. Netflix may not have all of the best content (personally, I love the stuff; then again, I'm only slightly newer than dirt), but not all of the world believes in freedom and free speech as much as we teach our schoolchildren we in the US do.

    2. Re:Look behind the curtain by klingens · · Score: 4, Insightful

      While this is all correct: it doesn't matter at all.

      Netflix already has to do all this on top of the geoblocking they do in order to make Hollywood happy.
      So stopping one of the two reasons why they block different things in different countries is still a win. Only one blocking reason instead of two.

    3. Re:Look behind the curtain by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yes, I'd much rather the article had said "when Netflix was pressured to block the known IPs of VPN providers". They've publicly stated that they'd much prefer to have a single, global catalog, which makes sense from their perspective. I hope at some point they're influential enough to put enough pressure to demand global licensing for movies and shows, or tell the content producers to hit the road. Unfortunately the studios are also at war with Netflix, forcing them to turn into a studio themselves, so I'm not certain that's going to be happening soon.

      One could argue that both piracy and attempts to work around geo-blocking (using a VPN service typically) are both economic pressure on Hollywood studios as well, but I'm not sure they see it that way. Think about this when they complain about lost sales thanks to piracy, and remember how long these major industries resisted new technologies, historically speaking. Hollywood should be ecstatic that consumers are willing to pay subscription fees for digital content, but instead, they're clinging to the illusion that they can still charge premium access rates in the days of the internet+torrents. If the legal market charges too much, the black market will happily step in and correct the situation.

      Also, just fyi, it's "eke", not "eek".

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  5. Re:Why only in EU? by mysidia · · Score: 2

    Because EU lacks the ability to ban geoblocking when both company and customer are both outside EU. While it would be reasonable to allow say US citizens to connect to Netflix in Canada, both the US and Canada are outside of EU, hence allowed to ignore whatever they come with in Brussels.

    Netflix does business in the EU; However, therefore, they must Adhere to ALL EU laws, because Netflix itself is subject to EU laws.
    At that point, they have to do so even if their Customer happens to be From and using the service outside the EU.

    So they could in theory require Netflix to allow their US-based customer to still access their customer's US library while their customer is travelling in the EU.

    They might stop short of doing that, because the EU doesn't have a strong reason to do so, and in a sense, it's the US that needs to pass laws protecting US citizens: cannot rely on the EU to do that for us.

  6. Re:Why only in EU? by F.Ultra · · Score: 2

    Also the content might be owned by different entities depending upon country. For example Pt1 of Friday the 13th (the original from 1980) is owned by Warner in Europe and by Paramount in the US (which is why we got the uncut version on DVD/BluRay in Europe).