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Nobody Is Moving, Especially Millennials (nymag.com)

For a fun new entry into millennials are lazy, consider this: According to new data tracked down by Richard Fry for Pew Research, just 20 percent of 25- to 35-year-olds (Old Millennials, if you will) reported having lived at a different address the previous year. From a report on NYMag: In 2000, a full 26 percent of Gen-Xers -- then at the same age range -- had reported making a move in the previous year. In 1963, members of the Silent Generation moved at a 26 percent rate, too. The census data being used here doesn't include college-dorm moves prevalent with 18- to 24-year-olds, so those young'uns are left out of the analysis. The 20 percent rate is the lowest level of young adult mobility in half a century, Fry reports, and all this with millennials getting married, owning homes, and having kids less than previous generations. Student debt and less favorable lending rates may be driving down homeownership -- imagine that -- which further reduces movement. Psychologically, this also means that young adults are more stuck with their personalities and faded of memory compared with their more mobile peers.

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  1. moving all the time is dumb by known_coward_69 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    sure you might make more money cash wise, but you're going to be a perpetual renter aka sharecropper with nothing to your name

    putting down roots means you can buy property at a younger age which means you will pay it off faster and have kids at a younger age. the perpetual movers will be the people having their first kid at 45 and no spare cash from having their rent increase all the time

  2. Psychologically, this also means that young adults by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Psychologically, this also means that young adults are more stuck with their personalities and faded of memory compared with their more mobile peers.

    Practically, this means that the writer of this article is a psychobabbling fool.

  3. Bubble by sexconker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We're waiting for the bubble to burst again. Hopefully this time they don't bail out the banks and and the idiots who bought mcmansions. The bailouts (including "Keep Your Home California") prevented me, a responsible, financially stable adult, from owning a home. Prices are over double what they should be in my area.
    People don't have roommates, they have roomfamilies.

    1. Re:Bubble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It'll happen all over again when Trump and his congressional cronies gut Dodd-Frank.

      Banks already got the golden egg and consumers over a barrel.

      What is prime rate today? 3.75%? Yet they don't pay shit for savings interest and ass-rape you on your loans and credit line. Then they nickel and dime you with ATM and check fees.

  4. More mocking by Moof123 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Clearly we need to mock and make fun of millennials more, previous disrespect has been inadequate to make them flourish just like the good ol' days.

    In a slightly more serious note, this was predicted. A fair number of reputable economists warned us of our own lost generation after the 2008 crash. The bottom of the ladder got pulled and the replacement jobs available to low experience young folk are not as relatively good as what was available for other generations. So you have low wage earners with stacks of debt from surviving (how dare they!), and from getting a college degree like they were told was the only good path thousands of times (suckers!).

    But it is easier to make fun of how they dress different, and use funny new words (like EVERY generation of young folks before them) than to fix the lack of good entry level jobs, low wages, expensive healthcare, and over priced tuition. It looks to me like society has failed a generation and they have made rational choices to live within their means to the extent possible.

    1. Re:More mocking by Holi · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But when you graduate from University and the only job you can land is a barista at Starbucks it's not like home ownership is the first thing on your mind. Name me one fucking new grad who expects a 4 bedroom home and audi to be given them.

      You make up this ridiculous scenario to justify your disdain, and it's sad because the fact of the matter is they won't be able to support Social Security when you become eligible. Not because they didn't try, but because circumstances forced them on a less successful path.

      Before you come back at me, understand this. I am in my late 40's, and after your rant I don't really care what you have to say.

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  5. Re:having kids is dumb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Anyone that has kids has pretty much forfeited their ticket to the good life. Why anyone would waste hundreds of thousands of dollars bringing more people into an already overcrowded world that will surely disappoint them is completely beyond me, particularly when you consider the mobility and quality of life you will be sacrificing to make this happen simply to follow a biological imperative.

  6. Why is Default Not an Option? by Malggi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So this may sound crazy, but I wonder why today's twenty-somethings don't just simply default on their loans.

    I'm a Gen Xer. I graduated college in 2000, just in time for the dot com bubble burst and 9/11 to mess with the economy. The only job I could find was as an overnight janitor at a hotel. I made $8 an hour.

    There was no way I could afford both rent and student loans, so I simply didn't pay the loans. Sure it ruined my credit, but at $8 an hour it's not like anybody would be giving me loans anyways.

    3.5 years later I got a job making $14 an hour, which allowed me to start paying the loans back again. As my career has progressed I've gotten promotions and raises and whatnot. Now I'm financially secure, the loans are all paid off and my credit score hovers around 750.

    Careless lending by the banks is a big reason the economy is in the mess it's in today. Why pay them money before taking care of yourself? Maybe if banks were feeling some pain we'd actually see some social programs to help young people out.

    1. Re:Why is Default Not an Option? by Moof123 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Federal student loans are non-dischargeable. Also, many places run your credit to get an apartment, get a job, get a security clearance, dealers run your credit to get a car loan, etc. So while totally dropping out of the "system" is an option (i.e. becoming homeless), it is hard to have much of a life withing the "system" while not paying your bills.

      If you do manage to get an apartment, find a way to commute, and get a job with blighted credit you still face having your wages garnished, or your bank accounts emptied to pay back those federal loans. No money in the bank means you then stand a good chance of not making rent, having your car repossessed, and then losing your job.

      Dandy "system" we have, don't you think?

      You can get income based repayment options, or get forbearance for a time, but you can't just walk away.

  7. The End of Freedom by l0ungeb0y · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Freedom in America is largely defined by Economic Freedom. Without the ability to obtain a disposable income, Millennials are unable to live their life on their terms. They are effectively Wage Slaves, shackled to and controlled by Debt and most of them will prove powerless to overcome that slavery. We will see the middle class die within the next decade, and with it, the rise of chronic underemployment, and the end of the nuclear family as multi-family and multi-generational households will become the new norm

  8. Re:having kids is dumb by Higaran · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There are plenty of reasons to marry and not have kids, such as saving on taxes, insurance, or even just making sure someone has the authority to make medical decisions if something should happen to you.

  9. Re:Less favorable lending rates? by TheSync · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Mortgage interest rates are the lowest they've been in 60 years

    True, but inflation was higher (inflating away the principle cost to the borrower) and also real home prices were rising faster (keeping borrowers from being underwater, thus always having a re-fi or selling option).

  10. Re:Meh... Kids these days... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I have had a 270 sqft apartment for most of my life.

    I came across a YouTube video of a 82sft apartment in Tokyo.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYVJbupG3Xg

    I never really got why apartments have to be larger than they really have to be.

    After my father passed away and 99.9% of what he owned got tossed out, I started tossing out the clutter in my life. That was five years ago. I could probably move into a smaller studio apartment (200-sft or less).

  11. Re:having kids is dumb by dj245 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Being married does not save on taxes.

    Not by itself, but there are plenty of opportunities for tax savings, such as-
    Low-income + high income salary averaging out to a slightly lower tax rate overall
    Low-income partner can take more advantage of Roth retirement plans, maxxing out their plan (up to either the maximum yearly limits, or their own salary, whichever is less).
    1 tax return instead of 2, savings on filing costs and time
    Transfer of assets tax-free upon the death of one partner in 99% of cases
    Benefit shopping between 2 employers, can be used to lower taxes in some cases etc

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  12. Re: It's houses, dummy by scatbomb · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Not my experience. As a millenial, I've been working since I was 16, I've always showed up on time and worked my ass off. Today I'm a successful R&D scientist in a rapidly growing company. If millenials have anyone to blame, it is themselves and the barrage of the media telling them how and why they'll never make it.

  13. Re: It's houses, dummy by imidan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In 1977, the median income for a 30-year-old man was about $10,000, or $41,500 adjusted for inflation [1]. Today, the median income for a 30-year-old man is about $35,000 [1]. The median home sale price in 1977 was about $49,000, or $203,000 inflation-adjusted [2]. The median home sale price today is about $325,000 [2]. In 1977, a 4-year college degree at an in-state, public institution cost less than $4,000, or about $16,000 inflation-adjusted for tuition and fees [3]. Today, that's $38,600.

    These are only a few rough indicators, but the point is this: a millennial or gen-xer today makes 84% in real terms of what his counterpart did in 1977; his education costs more than twice as much and has gone from something he could pay for completely with a summer job to more than a full year's salary; the house he's looking at has gone from 4 years' salary to nearly 10 years', and a 20% down payment has gone from about 3 months' salary to about two years'.

    These, for example, are reasons that millennials have it tougher than previous generations.

    [1] https://cps.ipums.org/cps/
    [2] https://www.census.gov/const/u...
    [3] https://nces.ed.gov/programs/d...
    [4] http://www.collegedata.com/cs/...

  14. Re:having kids is dumb by swillden · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Anyone that has kids has pretty much forfeited their ticket to the good life.

    I counter your assertion with the opposite: Anyone who doesn't have kids has forfeited the greatest experiences life has to offer.

    I've raised (or am still raising) four kids. The youngest is 15, the oldest 23. They're not perfect kids, by any means. Being a parent has been -- by far -- the most challenging thing I've ever done, and I think I've done some hard things. It's also simultaneously the most heartbreaking and most incredibly rewarding. There's a lot of truth in the idea that the deepest joy to be found in life comes from serving others, and there is no deeper, more thorough, more enduring or more dedicated service than that a parent gives to a child. I don't think the biological link has anything to do with it, either; raising an adopted baby to adulthood would be the same (I didn't do that, but I know several who did raise both biological and adopted children).

    What it's about is caring for another human being from the time they're completely helpless until the time they can become independent and succeed on their own, and on their own terms. It's about loving them and building a unique and very human bond. And when I say "unique", I mean that it's different for every parent and child. My relationship with each of my children is very different, because they are very different people. It's about living through their heartbreaks and joys, their failures and victories, and supporting and encouraging them through it all. It's also about teaching them the ways of the world, and about right and wrong and good and bad.

    Oh, life certainly has a lot to offer those who don't have children. I've been economically successful enough that my wife and I do a lot of the things that DINKs do and enjoy. We do have the "good life". We have hobbies, we travel and we have nice things, and all of those are good.

    But all of those experiences are... shallow. Nothing like the challenges and joys of raising children. I make enough money that I didn't really have to choose, but if I did, knowing what I do, I'd take the kids and give the "good life" a pass.

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