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Microsoft Calls For 'Digital Geneva Convention' (usatoday.com)

Microsoft is calling for a digital Geneva Convention to outline protections for civilians and companies from government-sponsored cyberattacks. In comments Tuesday at the RSA security industry conference in San Francisco, Microsoft President and Chief Legal Officer Brad Smith said the rising trend of government entities wielding the internet as a weapon was worrying. From a report on USA Today: In the cyber realm, tech must be committed to "100% defense and zero percent offense," Smith said at the opening keynote at the RSA computer security conference. Smith called for a "digital Geneva Convention," like the one created in the aftermath of World War II which set ground rules for how conduct during wartime, defining basic rights for civilians caught up armed conflicts. In the 21st century such rules are needed "to commit governments to protect civilians from nation-state attacks in times of peace," a draft of Smith's speech released to USA TODAY said. This digital Geneva Convention would establish protocols, norms and international processes for how tech companies would deal with cyber aggression and attacks of nations aimed at civilian targets, which appears to effectively mean anything but military servers.

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  1. Of course its Microsoft by JustNiz · · Score: 1, Troll

    Because theirs is by far the most architecturally broken and bodged, therefore most insecure and vulnerable OS.

    1. Re:Of course its Microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      Because theirs is by far the most architecturally broken and bodged, therefore most insecure and vulnerable OS.

      Yes that's why I'm doing my part! ... by not running Windows. I particularly refuse to run the spyware known as Windows 10.

      So I can be satisfied that my choices have contributed to "cyberpeace" in the world. My OpenBSD and Linux systems won't be participating in a botnet. Maybe we can start a campaign to show the world how unpatriotic the Windows users are?

    2. Re: Of course its Microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The question is: is a micro-kernel architecture flawed from the beginning, or is the MS micro-kernel poorly implemented?

    3. Re: Of course its Microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The question is: is a micro-kernel architecture flawed from the beginning, or is the MS micro-kernel poorly implemented?

      The MS kernel is brilliantly and masterfully implemented, once you understand its purpose.

      Its purpose is to provide a steady revenue stream for Microsoft. To that end, it must work just well enough that average people continue to use it. That is, the effort to deal with its problems must be less than or equal to the effort needed to switch to something else -- the more ignorant a given user is, the more the equation favors Microsoft.

      Your question seems to assume that technical merit and functionality was the purpose.

    4. Re:Of course its Microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      Oh how far down Slashdot has fallen. This place used to be supportive of Linux, BSD and other good, secure operating systems. Now it's a haven for Microsoft shills and spyware advocates.

      At least we still have Phoronix in tact.

    5. Re:Of course its Microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh how far down Slashdot has fallen. This place used to be supportive of Linux, BSD and other good, secure operating systems. Now it's a haven for Microsoft shills and spyware advocates.

      At least we still have Phoronix in tact.

      I have no idea why you chose to write this, in response to a post that already agrees with you.

    6. Re:Of course its Microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Windows' architecture isn't the problem. From that standpoint, it's really no better or worse than any other OS at any level. (Rage all you want, Linux zealots, but it's true.)

      Windows' user base is the problem. Let me count the ways...
      1) They don't want to know how to use a computer. This is the electronic equivalent of not wanting to know how to operate (much less maintain) a car or follow traffic laws, but still wanting to drive on public roads. Fortunately, it's uncommon for people to die because a computer fucks up from operator error.

      2) They want everything they've ever used to keep working forever, regardless of need, merit, or technical feasibility. Because of this, Windows is full of shims and hacks to keep old shit working. If you're that desperate to keep old hardware or software working, pay up. It's not a matter of "if", it's a matter of "how much will it cost to replace/upgrade/whatever". No, it won't be cheap. Sucks to be you with your specialized need that nobody else has.

      3) Security is seen as a hindrance. This is closely related to #1, above, since most people don't want to learn. But this goes even deeper than that. Computers that refuse to perform certain actions (unsecured ones) are viewed as slaves disobeying their master. Worse yet, pop-up warnings that require user interaction are seen in the same mutinous light. This aversion to "you can't do that" needs to stop. But it won't, because people are whiny little bitches.

      4) Shiny sells. This is entirely a user problem. If it doesn't look new, it isn't new, even if everything else is upgraded underneath. And if it doesn't sell, Microsoft can't pay the bills or keep investors happy. So since shiny sells, shiny ships, and real improvements are slow and invisible.

      5) Non-shiny doesn't sell. I guarantee you that if you're a Linux fan that hasn't tried out Windows since the XP days, Windows 10 would shock your balls off. Figuratively. Not because of the shiny, but because of the drastic changes in stability and security that have happened since 16 years ago. And yet, I still see comments on /. daily where some twat is whining about something that was fixed years ago. That guy is one more reason Windows doesn't get better faster. Don't be that guy.

      Now, that's not to say there aren't valid arguments to be made about how Microsoft has been untrustworthy in the past and that various software communities are still a bit gun-shy from it. There absolutely are. But the software and business side of Microsoft have been vastly improved in the last 15 years. The user base, however, has not improved, and shows no signs of getting their head out of their own ass. And worse, Microsoft aren't the only ones to have to deal with this problem. For proof, see the various Linux-land wars that have raged of late. Proprietary video drivers. FFMpeg vs. some fork run by a shady mofo. Pulseaudio. Systemd. Lennart Poettering in general. These are all taken as signs that either the system is being dumbed-down or that fogeys hate progress, and those are both user base issues. It's no different from what currently makes Windows suck the most, and it's draining the life out of Linux too.

      TL;DR: Windows suffers from dumb users that make everything suck. So does Linux.

    7. Re:Of course its Microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because that post was downmodded to -1.

    8. Re:Of course its Microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Windows' user base is the problem.

      'zactly.

      The number of Linux sysadmins I've been called in to clean up after has kept me employed for the better part of two decades.

      If professional nerds can fuck up a Linux box to the point where soaking it in gasoline and lighting a match is a cost effective solution, imagine what Lady Dudebro Facebook Selfie would do to Linux.

    9. Re:Of course its Microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is the electronic equivalent of not wanting to know how to operate (much less maintain) a car or follow traffic laws, but still wanting to drive on public roads. Fortunately, it's uncommon for people to die because a computer fucks up from operator error.

      If users did die from such causes, the problem would be entirely self-correcting. It would probably only take a few examples to cause all of the rest to start taking it seriously. Unlike cars, the irresponsible morons are unlikely to take any bystanders with them when they crash and die, so there's no fairness problem here.

    10. Re: Of course its Microsoft by DickBreath · · Score: 1

      There is a simple test. It applies not only to the kernel but to all Microsoft products.

      If the splash screen looks great, then the code is great. Ship it. Customers will send in beta test issues.

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    11. Re:Of course its Microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because that post was downmodded to -1.

      That does make sense. On Slashdot it's 50/50 whether pressing "g" to load new comments will show moderation changes, or not. This time, not.

      Each time Slashdot ownership changes hands, the site has an increasingly mainstream corporate bent. The geeks haven't been very influential in a long time. They've become back-seat users. They just don't seem to have realized that yet because the change happened slowly over years. It shows most obviously in the moderation.

      It used to be rare that a thoughtful post describing an inconvenient truth would be down-modded merely because of some nebulous emotional criteria like it "sounds negative". In fact sounding negative used to be taken as a friendly challenge, a chance to welcome novel solutions and new ideas. This is how adults handle unpleasant realities. Adults deal with what is, in an honest manner. Overgrown children deal with what they wish things were, in an unrealistic manner, while desperately trying to prove how clever they are, being careful never to acknowledge when someone else has made a worthy point.

      That calm rational adult mentality is scarcely present on Slashdot anymore. It's been replaced by an orthodoxy, complete with heretics on the one hand, and endless bickering over brand names (Google, Apple, MS, etc), political correctness (SJWs/neocons/etc) and obvious click-bait Slashvertisements on the other hand. The moderation system was intended to facilitate discussion. It has since morphed into the enforcement arm of this orthodoxy, applied to censor viewpoints and opinions that don't have easy comfortable prefabricated answers.

      I generally only use this site for trolling, as that's one of the few remaining ways to obtain any kind of commentary or entertainment. It's no longer the bastion of geekery and intelligent debate that it once was. In a way, Slashdot is like a microcosm of the USA. Both are rotting from within because a lot of short-term thinking has caused them to erode the qualities that once made them great.

    12. Re:Of course its Microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm not discounting the majority of your post, but this:

      "Because of this, Windows is full of shims and hacks to keep old shit working."

      Is simply not true. *Everything* in Windows is hacked together garbage, even the new stuff.

      Exhibit A.

    13. Re:Of course its Microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. Some things are simply complex. That doesn't automatically make them "garbage" just because you don't understand them.

      Your post reeks of the same attitude that x86-haters have even to this day.

    14. Re:Of course its Microsoft by bondsbw · · Score: 1

      Your link has nothing to do with "new stuff". It is literally dated 2006... you know, when that strategy was put into effect.

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    15. Re:Of course its Microsoft by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      >> Windows' architecture isn't the problem. From that standpoint, it's really no better or worse than any other OS at any level. (Rage all you want, Linux zealots, but it's true.)

      No it really isn't true. Just 3 examples (believe me there are many more):
      * Unlike Linux, with Windows there is no real divide between apps and the OS. With Windows, apps and OS both keep their settings in a shared place called the registry that either can access and change. Under Linux, each app generally has its own unique configuration file held separately and there is no shared area for OS and app configuration.

      * The standard model for Installing an app in Windows is to insert itself into the OS and even extend the OS itself. With Linux the OS is effectively partitioned away because unlike windows, it is completely unmodifiable by users.

      * Unlike Windows, patches to Linux are well-documented and optional, so under control of the user.

    16. Re:Of course its Microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    17. Re:Of course its Microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Great link, very interesting read, and nice to rehash some of the motivation for how we ended in "DLL Hell".

      But that doesn't change the way that Microsoft have screwed up both very basic and new features over and over again. All I'm saying is you can't blame all of their screwups on "backwards compatibility".

      "Boo hoo, it's so hard being Microsoft with their loads of resources, how on earth will they ever write good code and implement strong design pattern, waaaaaaahhhhhhh!!!!!!"

  2. Makes sense by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you want peace you need to start by committing not to attack the other side, only to ever defend yourself.

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    1. Re:Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's called preparing for war. It doesn't mean we'll be starting that war, just have to be prepared for it. Glad we agree.

    2. Re:Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are no Ukrainian boots on Russian soil, didn't seem to work out that well for them.

      Clearly it isn't sufficient to just defend yourself if you want peace.
      It might be a good start but something else is needed beyond that.

    3. Re: Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Game strategy states that a strong offence produces a strong defense.

    4. Re:Makes sense by gnick · · Score: 1

      There are no Ukrainian boots on Russian soil, didn't seem to work out that well for them.

      Clearly it isn't sufficient to just defend yourself if you want peace.
      It might be a good start but something else is needed beyond that.

      Are you implying that Ukraine should have invaded Russia? That seems like a terrible idea for the Ukrainians. Even worse than the situation they're in now.

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    5. Re:Makes sense by skids · · Score: 2

      Clearly it isn't sufficient to just defend yourself if you want peace.

      In a multi-lateral situation you need to form a community that represents a plurality if not a majority of military power system-wide that agrees to act responsibly and be open enough that other nations can be pretty sure they aren't just appearing to act responsibly.

      Once you have that you shun the worst offenders among those not in the community to deprive but not destroy them, offering them paths back into favor if they start behaving like adults. Some (like North Korea) will take a while to get over their tantrum and realize sitting at the kids table isn't as much fun as it used to be, others will start reforming themselves earlier.

      Then once this all appears to be more or less working or at least maybe possible to get working, you get people angry that they don't have an in-ground pool and that they get called assholes for refusing to frost wedding cakes for gay people to elect an erratic know-nothing to direct one of the leading voices in the community to ignore the fact that one of the kids just wiped snot on the silverware. Wait no, skip that step, it must be a typo, nobody would want that.

      Anyway, as much as I detest the business culture MS stands for, I think they are right... responsible nations need to establish what acceptable behavior is, and then start to apply some peer pressure.

    6. Re:Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The best defence is a good offence.

    7. Re:Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Defensive", like when you leave viruses sitting on a hard drive and then pay for Isreali hackers to steal them and distribute them?

  3. Let's take a step back. by hackwrench · · Score: 1, Troll

    Maybe we should restore general law literacy first. The way things currently are, law is enforced strictly at the whims of the powerful.

  4. Great idea by easyTree · · Score: 0

    or paraphrasing: "digital black ops teams and false flags for the win" wait - that's what we already have.

  5. Just as long as.... by downright · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Just as long as.... as unleashing Clippy on the world is deemed a war crime.

    1. Re: Just as long as.... by hackwrench · · Score: 1

      The current assistant, Cortana is little better. They just made it more intrusive amd replaced a cutesy avatar with a circle.

    2. Re: Just as long as.... by DickBreath · · Score: 1

      While the current assistant, Cortana is a little bitter, they made it so you can't fully turn it off. The avatar needs to have horns and a forked tongue.

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  6. Why? So we can violate that too? by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why not a "digital land mine treaty" while we're at it?

    1. Re:Why? So we can violate that too? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, Windows Minesweeper did have a flower picking alternative in some countries...

    2. Re:Why? So we can violate that too? by Kabukiwookie · · Score: 1

      So, now you have flowers exploding in your face, when you pick it? How is that supposed to be less violent?

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  7. The US failed to ratify the Geneva Conventions. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Perhaps there's a good reason to call it a 'digital Geneva Convention' - It's basically a nice guideline to point to that the US browbeats others with, only to fail to ratify into law and enforce themselves.

    Without an enforcement body, this is meaningless. Who would you trust to enforce it anyway, MICROSOFT? Why not just call it a digital waste of time.

    1. Re:The US failed to ratify the Geneva Conventions. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are aware that the US's greatest adversaries have also opted out any international treaties that they perceive as intruding on their national sovereignty. Their is no credible "international law" because there is no enforcement mechanism. And there is no enforcement mechanism any where on the horizon.

      And this electronic Geneva Convention is aimed at governments but the governments are just as vulnerable or even more so to electronic attacks. The electronic battlefield already includes countries and private citizens. The government s around the world have far more to lose in a successful attack than any non-governmental individuals. The biggest threat to the average person is the criminals who hack for profit. These guys are always two steps ahead of all the people who claim they are security experts. All the security experts do is conduct post-mortems examinations of the attacks but seem totally unable to do anything that would actually provide security capable of stopping or at least slowing down the spread of malicious software aimed at just normal every day users.

    2. Re:The US failed to ratify the Geneva Conventions. by Rakarra · · Score: 5, Informative

      The US is a signee of all four Geneva Convention treaties. There were three additional protocols, though the US has only ratified the third, but not the other two. The various treaties that the US has signed:
      GC I: Amelioration of the wounded and sick in the armed forces (1949)
      GC II: Amelioration of the wounded, sick, and shipwrecked in the naval forces (1949)
      GC III: Treatment of prisoners of war (1929/1949)
      GC IV: Protection of civilian persons in times of war (1949)
      P III: Protection of anyone wearing Red Cross, Red Crescent, or Red Crystal to denote medical/religious personnel (2005)
      Signed but not ratified:
      P I: Protection of victims of international armed conflicts (1977).
      P II: Protection of victims of non-international armed conflicts (1977)

      The Geneva Convention treaties are signed by a number of countries who seek to use them as a weapon against their enemy ("they broke the convention treaties, they should be tried for war crimes!") while they don't follow them themselves.

    3. Re:The US failed to ratify the Geneva Conventions. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The biggest threat to the average person is the criminals who hack for profit. These guys are always two steps ahead of all the people who claim they are security experts. All the security experts do is conduct post-mortems examinations of the attacks but seem totally unable to do anything that would actually provide security capable of stopping or at least slowing down the spread of malicious software aimed at just normal every day users.

      That will remain the case for as long as those "normal every day users" continue to run Windows. While Windows *can* be made relatively secure, it's insecure by default and locking it down requires knowledge. For average users, safely running Windows is like trying to safely drink cyanide.

      There's a reason you don't see rampant viruses/worms/malware *in the wild* on Linux (there are proof-of-concept examples, but you have to find them - they won't find you). Linux runs a great many servers, big beefy systems with tons of bandwidth, hosting data from many users. They would make tempting targets. But the fact is, breaking into one would be hard. Compromising hundreds of Windows systems and using their resources in an aggregate manner (i.e. a botnet) is much easier.

      A secure system can be breached, given a targeted attack and a determined attacker willing to put a lot of effort into it. An insecure system like Windows allows attackers to write one piece of malware and automatically compromise many thousands or millions of systems. That's the difference.

    4. Re:The US failed to ratify the Geneva Conventions. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >"national sovereignty"

      have you really thought about what THAT is? Nations are just the latest fad the rich and powerful use to put man against man.

    5. Re:The US failed to ratify the Geneva Conventions. by ceoyoyo · · Score: 3, Informative

      The Geneva convention and it's relatives and predecessors have been enforced. Yes, it tends to be after the fact, but the war crimes tribunal hasn't had a lack of work. The international community does tend to enforce the rules, either directly or via sanctions, and it appears to have had a major effect in the world.

      It's really only a big problem with the offenders are Russia, the US or China. Even then, those powers are hesitant to break international law directly: see for example the US dissembling over the use of torture.

    6. Re:The US failed to ratify the Geneva Conventions. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > number of countries
      first and formost the US.

    7. Re:The US failed to ratify the Geneva Conventions. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You will never solve any security problems by just blaming Windows. In the hands of the average user Linux is just as vulnerable to security breeches. There has not been a comprehensive security review and assessment that takes into account all the different distros of Linux floating around. Linux only appears more secure because compared to Windows Linux is almost non-existent in the desktop space. The biggest misconception is that open source equates to better security has never been proven and you could also make a counter claim that open source code makes it easier for the hacker to find and exploit it's weaknesses. There have been well known Linux shortcomings in the datacenter which allows a single piece of malware to harm millions from a central location. The criminal hackers will go after the bigger attack surface without fail. Why waste time going after so few number of potential targets.

    8. Re:The US failed to ratify the Geneva Conventions. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "signee"? Really?

    9. Re:The US failed to ratify the Geneva Conventions. by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      For a little context, the Hague conventions of the early Twentieth Century are, as far as I can tell, the first codification of the laws of modern war in treaties. I believe they're still the basis for much of it, although those conventions were found a trifle lacking in WWII. The Geneva Conventions, as far as they relate to war, are extensions of the Hague.

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  8. Good luck at that... it isn't just nations... by ctilsie242 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Good luck with that, MS. The adversaries out there are not just nations who might have something to gain by playing fair or following rules due to game theory, but terrorist groups, criminal organizations, heck, even disaffected college students. Unlike conventional weapons that require expensive physical objects, a massive DDoS can be launched from a cast-off 486 as the top level command console as it can from a high-end supercomputer.

    The main focus needs to be on "Great Wall of xxx", "xxx" being the country. If this isn't thought of now, it will be done by the government when some cyber-terrorism event happens that gets knee-jerk reactions going (think the USAPATRIOT act.) China has their Great Firewall. Iran is building their own Internet. Australia is in the process of building their nationwide firewall. Blocking attacks from other countries is going to be an issue sooner or later.

    A second focus needs to be on LARTing IoT makers to follow a ground up security design. A hub (or hubs for redundancy) and spoke system, so IoT devices do their communication through a hardened hub that only allows the devices to communicate with what sites the signed manufacturer's manifest allows (and 0.0.0.0/0 is not allowed directly.) As it stands now, there is actually a punishment for IoT makers to design any security in their products. Mainly because if v1.0 has a security hole, when IoT maker makes 1.1, all the owners of Device 1.0 will upgrade or else face being pwned. If the IoT maker did updates, they would lose out on that revenue, plus to them, every dollar spent on security is a dollar with no ROI. Unless pressure is placed on IoT makers, we will be seeing exponentially worse DDoS attacks when every fridge, microwave, smart TV, sex toy, and doorbell be used for it.

    1. Re:Good luck at that... it isn't just nations... by unixisc · · Score: 2

      This is what struck me as well. They explicitly want to address government sponsored cyberattacks, while ignoring cyberattacks by everybody else. Interesting approach for a company that has a very cavalier attitude towards privacy

    2. Re:Good luck at that... it isn't just nations... by nuckfuts · · Score: 1

      Good luck with that, MS. The adversaries out there are not just nations who might have something to gain by playing fair or following rules due to game theory, but terrorist groups, criminal organizations, heck, even disaffected college students.

      Just because it does not address every threat doesn't mean that a digital treaty is not worthwhile. For one thing, state sponsored attacks are likely to be far more sophisticated than what "disaffected college students" can do. When the US conducted Operation Olympic Games, they set a dangerous precedent in digital warfare. And history shows that rules can be applied to warfare. Not perfectly, to be sure, but perhaps better than no rules at all.

    3. Re:Good luck at that... it isn't just nations... by chispito · · Score: 1

      This is what struck me as well. They explicitly want to address government sponsored cyberattacks, while ignoring cyberattacks by everybody else. Interesting approach for a company that has a very cavalier attitude towards privacy

      Well only the US Government really has the authority to make MS complicit in such attacks.

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  9. Digital Geneva Convention?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    sounds like some silly thing a big VP does to waste everyone's time. All MS employees better rally your goals around this...it'll help at bonus time.

  10. Useless idea by Nunya666 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Thanks to the NSA and CIA, and such "rules" will have so many back doors that they will be useless.

    1. Re:Useless idea by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Well how would they know what rules to break if no rules exist? You take the fun out of being a three letter agency!

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  11. Re: Rules by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    Rules get ignored and circumvented. Devices and software have backdoors. I don't see how to make sense attempting to apply the concept in one area to the other.

  12. You know you are in a distopian future. . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When Microsoft asks for better consumer protection. . .

  13. In the words of Ed Grooberman... by Lead+Butthead · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Well, the best defense is a good offense. Do you know who said that? Mel the Cook on Alice."

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    1. Re:In the words of Ed Grooberman... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Observe closely class. Boot to the Head [boom].
      You are lucky Lead Butthead. Few novices experiece so much of Tae-Kwon Leep so soon.

    2. Re:In the words of Ed Grooberman... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *boot to the head*

  14. Enforcement by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How do you enforce a digital Geneva convention?

    You unfriend any nation state from your nation's facebook page if they break the convention? The regular Geneva Convention is hard enough to enforce, a digital one will be even harder because it's harder to prove an actor is really from a location or nation. Even if an assailant traced back to Russia is caught breaking the convention online and Russia "fails to catch" the person responsible they can claim he was a Ukrainian acting on behalf of Ukraine from within their borders.

    Even the regular Geneva Convention isn't really respected anymore. You've got the US brazenly violating it in Gitmo. Iraqi troops during the gulf war were violating it. No-one really takes it seriously anymore.

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    1. Re:Enforcement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Geneva and Hague conventions produced treaties, only those countries that signed/ratified the treaties are nominally bound by them.

    2. Re:Enforcement by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      How do you enforce the non-digital one? ;)

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    3. Re:Enforcement by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 1

      How do you enforce a digital Geneva convention?

      You unfriend any nation state from your nation's facebook page if they break the convention? The regular Geneva Convention is hard enough to enforce, a digital one will be even harder because it's harder to prove an actor is really from a location or nation. Even if an assailant traced back to Russia is caught breaking the convention online and Russia "fails to catch" the person responsible they can claim he was a Ukrainian acting on behalf of Ukraine from within their borders.

      Even the regular Geneva Convention isn't really respected anymore. You've got the US brazenly violating it in Gitmo. Iraqi troops during the gulf war were violating it. No-one really takes it seriously anymore.

      How's the US violating it in Gitmo? (I'll give you a hint: the GC covers uniformed soldiers)

    4. Re:Enforcement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Geneva convention states that all prisoners must be treated as prisoners of war, you only lose that status and can be treated as a non uniformed combatant not covered by it once they have been before the courts/tribunal of the state holding them. Many of the Gitmo detainee's have not been given such a court hearing (and many that have been cleared are still held today), whether they were uniformed or not is irrelevant under the Geneva convention until they have been given due process which the US has kept them in Gitmo precisely to avoid that. So yes they are definitely in breach of MANY of the Geneva conventions statutes and laws.

    5. Re:Enforcement by gravewax · · Score: 1

      The US courts and international courts say otherwise.

  15. Re: Taking seriously by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    Or law in general anymore. Law only gets enforced at the whim of the powerful. For that matter, it's hard to tell what anyone takes seriously anymore, as most people seem to be more eager to be ground underfoot than the people doing the grinding.

  16. Uhh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What about the legions of drone emo kids and disaffected nascar fans that are turned toward pushing state propaganda without even knowing that's what they're doing?

  17. Backdoor in all Intel CPUs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    True, every Intel and AMD chip has hardware backdoor in them call the Intel Management Engine, it's not even x86, it's a ARC/RISC chip and runs Java, operate completely transparent to the OS.

    The Intel ME firmware is inside the chipset so you can't even flush it with a BIOS upgrade, you have to buy a raspery pi and us GPIO to manually remove the backdoor firmware by using a clip to grab the chipset, downloading the rom, remove Intel ME from the rom with me_cleaner, then flush it back to the chip.

    https://libreboot.org/faq/#intelme

    Intel Management Engine (ME) #intelme

    In Q3 2009, the first generation of Intel Core i3/i5/i7 (Nehalem) CPUs and the 5 Series Chipset family of Platform Controller Hubs, or PCHs, brought a more tightly integrated ME (now at version 6.0) inside the PCH chip, which itself replaced the ICH. Thus, the ME is present on all Intel desktop, mobile (laptop), and server systems since mid 2006.

    The ME consists of an ARC processor core (replaced with other processor cores in later generations of the ME), code and data caches, a timer, and a secure internal bus to which additional devices are connected, including a cryptography engine, internal ROM and RAM, memory controllers, and a direct memory access (DMA) engine to access the host operating system's memory as well as to reserve a region of protected external memory to supplement the ME's limited internal RAM. The ME also has network access with its own MAC address through an Intel Gigabit Ethernet Controller. Its boot program, stored on the internal ROM, loads a firmware "manifest" from the PC's SPI flash chip. This manifest is signed with a strong cryptographic key, which differs between versions of the ME firmware. If the manifest isn't signed by a specific Intel key, the boot ROM won't load and execute the firmware and the ME processor core will be halted.

    Worse, powershell has api to connect to the firmware, all a hacker needs to do is tap into powershell and he'll instantly have KVM access and complete memory and disk control, as demonstrated by the video below:

    Itâ(TM)s a sign of the times: the first day of the 33rd Chaos Communications Congress (33C3) included two talks related to assuring that your own computer wasnâ(TM)t being turned against you. The two talks are respectively practical and idealistic, realizable today and a work thatâ(TM)s still in the idea stage.

    Untrusting the CPU
    A proposal for secure computing in an age where we cannot trust our CPUs anymore

    You can't trust your CPU anymore, it's rigged with NSA backdoor.

    1. Re:Backdoor in all Intel CPUs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      33c3 video link didn't show up, here it is

      Hacking with Intel ME, key logging and sending the password across the wire using Intel's hardware backdoor, running wireshark on the OS can't even see the packet being leaked out of the system, because Intel ME hijacks the NIC and can send packets without the OS knowing.

      https://media.ccc.de/v/33c3-8014-untrusting_the_cpu

  18. Not that easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the "real" world, it's reasonable to have governments agree to not attack each other in certain ways. There are practical limits to who all is able to field armies and artillery, fly bombers, etc. This stuff costs money, if nothing else, so that alone keeps it a relatively manageable-sized club. And it's detectable so most governments won't tolerate non-government entities having much of this type of power.

    The club of potential offenders is small.

    But of course, 9/11 did happen, so you see the limitations on trying to enumerate everyone who needs to agree that missiles have to behave in a certain way. And for decades (especially after the fall of the USSR) people have predicted, or at least feared, non-government nuclear armed powers. Good luck getting any of these types of people to identify themselves and agree to sign treaties. Even the in real world, we see the limits of social solutions.

    Many forms of network attack don't really have high requirements. Anyone can do it, not just governments. Governments might have funds to be able scale up certain types of surveillance-oriented attacks, but I think it's settled that plenty of other people are able to scale up in certain ways, as demonstrated with every DDoS story.

    Whoever does those DDos attacks is not going to sign your treaty, even if USA and Russia and China do. And by "whoever" I really mean "whoevers." So you're talking about some kind of agreement, where most of the involved parties are not going to be part of it. What's the point of that? Its analogous to a physical world where there are tens of thousands of anonymous nuclear powers.

    If you lived in a world where there were tens of thousands of anonymous nuclear powers, you wouldn't take treaties or conventions as a serious solution to your problems.

    The solution, if there is one at all, is to attempt to become effectively resistant to attacks, rather than futilely trying to prevent/discourage/deter them. Systems should be designed with the vision that they will be mercilessly attacked by anonymous, unaccountable parties, because that's the real environment into which they'll be deployed. You can't agree your way out of that problem.

  19. Translation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We've vacuumed up and stored so much data on everyone at this point that if someone hacks our database, everything will literally be on fire.

    So when that happens we want officially recognized standards for shifting the blame to someone else

    1. Re:Translation by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      If you can't store data safely, you better not store it at all.

      The only thing that needs to happen to clean up this whole mess is to make people and corporations FULLY responsible for any data collected and any damage done to anyone by the data being leaked. You'll see that data snooping end pretty fucking quickly that way.

      --
      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    2. Re:Translation by Neuroelectronic · · Score: 1

      "So yeah, you crashed the economy"

      "You owe us one economy. Better get started on that.

    3. Re:Translation by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Too big to fail? Are we there yet again already? Companies being exempt from law because if we could slap them with a fine that isn't but a slap on the wrist, they take our economy with them, essentially holding our economy hostage?

      Any corporation "too big to fail" must be broken up, anything "too big to fail" is a threat to the economy in general.

      --
      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
  20. Wow! Three Microsoft ads on the front page by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Damn near back to back! Does Slashdot give as many props to Apple?

    And this while your President Trump remains so glib in the middle of a crisis...

    1. Re:Wow! Three Microsoft ads on the front page by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let me cone in again, with a working link this time

      https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-qLP...

  21. Well, Yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Given the asymmetry of force against Ukraine, the Ukranians most certainly should have engaged in vicious economic warfare on Russian soil.

  22. Nice by iampiti · · Score: 3, Funny

    how about an agreement that forces the OS makers off the user's data? No? You mean you'd have to significantly alter Win 10 to pass those new rules?

  23. Please don't attack, we cannot defend! by Opportunist · · Score: 0

    Hey, Microsoft!

    Start making secure software, redesign the piece of garbage you call an OS to actually have security as something that's not just tacked on and an afterthought and you wouldn't have to cry for mercy now.

    --
    We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
  24. No, we need a right to strike back by Khyber · · Score: 2

    A guaranteed right for civilians to strike back against state-sponsored attacks that should not be targeting them should be enshrined into law. All forms of warfare. Collateral damage? No fucking longer, because it will be your ass.

    --
    Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
  25. If your business is working for a warring faction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If your business is working for a warring faction, like say the government of USA, you are as threatening as any enemy combatant.

  26. Protection from greedy megacorps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd rather prefer protection from greedy megacorps like... Microsoft.

  27. Including domestic ones? by argee · · Score: 1

    Does that mean that NSA, FBI, IRS, etc. would not "attack my server?" This is the most
    idiotic idea that anyone ever not thought through. Its a total non-starter. I thought even
    Clintonite Democrats from Washington and California were smarter than that.

  28. Article I by Solandri · · Score: 1
    Article I. The computer belongs to the purchaser of the equipment (Owner) and must remain under his/her full control. Hardware vendor or software author (Vendors) are not allowed to modify the computer's operation to secretly advance Vendor's own purposes, or otherwise degrade the Owner's control over the equipment.
    1. Hardware components and software (Products) must exclusively do what Vendors advertised they would do when sold to Owner. There is to be no secret or hidden functionality which contravenes or exceeds the advertised scope of the product.
    2. Automated feedback mechanisms sending information to the Vendor for improving future versions of the hardware or software are allowed only if:
      1. The Owner is clearly notified.
      2. The Owner is given the option to opt out of such feedback, without degrading the advertised functionality of the Product that the Owner paid for.
      3. or the Vendor pays the Owner for the service of providing feedback and use of Owner's network connection.
    3. Product updates cannot reduce or eliminate pre-existing functionality. In the event that advertised functionality is removed after purchase, the Owner may ship the Product back to the Vendor at Vendor's expense for a full refund.
    1. Re:Article I by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Product updates cannot reduce or eliminate pre-existing functionality. In the event that advertised functionality is removed after purchase, the Owner may ship the Product back to the Vendor at Vendor's expense for a full refund.

      Vendor will happily refund Owner, as long as Vendor can later charge 10x the price for the updated edition of Product which Owner will buy in order to access the vast quantities of data stored in Vendor-proprietary-and-DMCA-enforced format.

  29. Just Use Non-State Actors by Koreantoast · · Score: 1

    Would this make any serious impact though? Vast majority of cyber attacks aren't the life-and-death ones like bringing down the power grid. They are the more gray areas, espionage and theft, that nation-states may not be as quick to sign up for. If anything, many nations, including Western ones, view economic espionage as a civic duty in a global economic zero sum game. Why would they sign up for that? In addition, you nation-states already tend to use "non-state" actors to give them plausible deniability. Oh those hackers who hit your grid - just some vagrant teenagers.

  30. However, if you are to run Windows 10... by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    If you aren't running Insider builds you really aren't looking after your own interests. That's what I do. I also handle things for my Mom, but she mostly uses it to play Facebook games and other Facebooky things. She does what in her world amounts to "serious stuff" on an Android phone I picked out for her. I also picked out her "Facebook computer".

    Maybe I "enable" my mom too much.

    1. Re:However, if you are to run Windows 10... by NIGGERpenisbestPENIS · · Score: 0

      If you aren't running Insider builds you really aren't looking after your own interests. That's what I do. I also handle things for my Mom, but she mostly uses it to play Facebook games and other Facebooky things. She does what in her world amounts to "serious stuff" on an Android phone I picked out for her. I also picked out her "Facebook computer". Maybe I "enable" my mom too much.

      If your mother isn't a "power user" and just wants to browse Facebook and the like, why not set her up with something like Linux Mint? The remote administration capability alone will make your job (as her sysadmin) much easier. The value of no longer having to worry about things like viruses/malware is also not to be underestimated.

      --
      The best is simply the best.
    2. Re:However, if you are to run Windows 10... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      She does what in her world amounts to "serious stuff" on an Android phone I picked out for her

      Hate to tell you this but Android spies just as much and maybe even more than Win10. Plus all those wonderful apps on Android also do their own spying. Goog ain't no angel here. Matter of fact MS copied their new business model from Goog. It is just a matter of which Peeping Tom you want Google or Microsoft.

      Using a packet sniffer I caught Google copying my email from my private server (which I own hardware and all) to their servers through the email app. I never granted them access to my server or my mail there.

  31. It won't work. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you take the United kindom as an example. Here many non front line defence services are being outsourced to companies. Very shortly the the only cyberwarfare will be companies tasked by government. How do you differentiate between companies and government when you have a government who's primary objective is privatisation.

  32. Friendly challenge by hackwrench · · Score: 2

    I've twice tried to submit a story where we could all get together and issue our friendly challenges regarding Slashdot but they were declined. Eventually I'll likely work up the gumption to try again. Anybody else like to have a go?

    1. Re: Friendly challenge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gave up on submits over 10 years ago.
      Been here over 16 years. Could have had
      a 5 digit id, but lurked and have a low 6
      digit id. Have not logged in for prob over
      5 years now.

    2. Re: Friendly challenge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gave up on submits over 10 years ago.
      Been here over 16 years. Could have had
      a 5 digit id, but lurked and have a low 6
      digit id. Have not logged in for prob over
      5 years now.

      What the Slashdot admins ("management" may be a better term) don't seem to understand is that you and others like you, are the real backbone of this site. Slashdot is a boring and mediocre (at best) news aggregator without the comments. The comments are the reason to come here. Worthy comments that others actually want to read and respond to, they come from people like you.

      Every dupe, blatant Slashvertisement, abuse of editors' infinite mod points, and poor editorial skill (specifically regarding basic spell-checking, grammar, linking to free sources instead of paywalls and shitty blogs, and having hyperlinks that work at all) is a slap in the face against users like you. The things management gets wrong are very easy to do correctly. They clearly don't care.

  33. Gitmo passes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Enemy fighters are only protected when they fight in uniform, as a traditional military force would do. ("name, rank, serial number?")

    According to the Geneva convention, we can do anything we want with the random fighters we tossed into Gitmo. We can break their bones, then toss them in a pen with starving pigs. It's all good.

    1. Re:Gitmo passes by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      The Hague convention says that civilians get the same protections, provided they carry arms openly and fight more or less according to the laws of war, before their enemy has intervened. If the perfidious Canadians were to cross the border and attack the Twin Cities, I'd have the legal right to pick up a rifle and start shooting as a lawful combatant. That right ends the moment the US Armed Forces show up, which in this particular case would be before I could get a rifle.

      --
      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
  34. Re: Rules by Nunya666 · · Score: 1

    Rules get ignored and circumvented. Devices and software have backdoors. I don't see how to make sense attempting to apply the concept in one area to the other.

    Sorry, poor terminology choice. I should have said "exceptions" or "loopholes."

  35. Windows "Home" is problematic though. by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    I actually want a Home product that is maintainable. I have health problems though, so my cash is at a premium. I try to make use of Home, but there are features of Pro that would make my life easier in maintaining my and my mom's computers. Then there's no product for maintaining home devices. For that matter, diagnostic messages and recovery procedures of devices and software are garbage. My phone today would attempt to connect to my home network and then not do it. No error message or anything.

  36. Exhibit B by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    All right, so you have 32-bit Windows. It puts stuff in C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32. You then bolt on 64-bit Windows. Do you put the 64-bit stuff in C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM64? Not if you're Microsoft. For them, the correct answer is to put the 64-bit stuff in C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32 and put the stuff for 32-bit programs that turn them into 64-bit calls into C:\WINDOWS\SYSWOW64

    1. Re:Exhibit B by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      %systemroot%\System\ is a typo in a path somewhere in Windows' base install that nobody has bothered to correct in the last 25 years. On my current Win10Pro install, it contains 3 speech-synthesis configuration files in .xsd format. They're buried 2 folder levels down.

      %systemroot%\System32 is the path for system files, and has been such since the major, compatibility-breaking change from Win16 to Win32 back in the mid-90's. Since the 64-bit change didn't require such drastic breakage, it was an in-place change, with most of the remaining strictly-32-bit stuff ending up in the WoW subsystem, which has its own directory.

  37. Re: Rules by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    Hoped I helped. Society is already badly frayed and this is an area which could result in Tower of Babel levels of falling out if we don't tend to it.

  38. Bad comparison by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    Comparing a desktop operating system. especially one for home use, to a server operating system, is not useful.

    1. Re:Bad comparison by NIGGERpenisbestPENIS · · Score: 0

      Comparing a desktop operating system. especially one for home use, to a server operating system, is not useful.

      Not everyone fits into your neat little boxy cubbyhole categories.

      My desktop system is Gentoo. I use it at home. I do everything from serious work to gaming on it. I can do that because I bothered to learn. I assume I do not have any special genius, therefore, if I can choose to do that, then barring any organic brain damage, someone else can make similar choices and reap similar rewards. Everything else is an excuse for why they cannot be bothered, excuses designed to justify their decision to leave important things in the hands of corporations that don't care about them.

      That the latter is a common ("popular" isn't the right word - there is no enthusiasm behind it) choice is beyond my control. If average users really believe that learning is so horrible and painful, that gaining knowledge and experience over time is somehow not normal, that broadening their horizons is an unworthy use of effort, that computers are not already important and becoming ever more so as time passes, that unnecessary dependency is somehow not weakness, or that anyone values their security quite so much as they do ... well, that's their option, isn't it?

      As for me, I think it's foolish (to put it mildly) to expect corporations like Microsoft to look after my best interests. I still have my natural curiosity that says, "how does this thing work, and what can it do?". My schooling failed to remove it from me and I find myself in a world where literacy is the only skill I require to access free high-quality information necessary to learn new skills.

      In case you are wondering, my day job is not in IT or compsci. I learn about computers and networks because they're only becoming more important over time, and because it's fascinating ever since I learned to appreciate it. Anyone else could do the same. If they have more aptitude for it, they will do it more quickly than I did - if not, less quickly, but the path is available to them. They just have to take the first few steps. Or they can be at the mercy of Microsoft on the one hand, malware authors on the other, both playing them in the middle (not that Apple is much better, but they do deliver a smoother experience - if you like a prefabricated, prescribed, managed walled garden).

      --
      The best is simply the best.
    2. Re:Bad comparison by hackwrench · · Score: 1

      What makes them cubbyhole categories in your mind. They are use cases. So what if your home system is Gentoo? You are applying a different use case and it cannot usefully be compared to a Gentoo system being used as a server for security. You want completely different software installed on it so it presents completely different attack vectors.

      I don't expect Microsoft to look after my interests. That's why I actually buy books that are published on Windows internals. Yes, they exist. Windows isn't the black box people make it out to be.

    3. Re:Bad comparison by NIGGERpenisbestPENIS · · Score: 0

      I appreciate your taking the time to reply. Thank you. I say that because disagreeing with you does not make you some sort of "enemy". I get tired of that mentality and its over-representation on this site.

      The cubbyhole is because you did not merely mention a use-case. You implied a common and nearly universal divide. You intended to state that because exceptions are not common, they are irrelevant. You should take responsibility for doing that and either defend it, or abandon it.

      Windows is a indeed not a black box. It's a translucent box. It will never be a fully transparent box until I can dive through its source code. That has not happened, thus far. That will not happen in the foreseeable future. Thus, *when compared to* to other systems such as Linux and the various BSD flavors, it is a relatively opaque system. Microsoft releases selectively limited internal details to facilitate the writing of software for its platform to make it more appealing, not for the sake of openness so others can study its work and directly build on it. That's the difference. You can pretend like that difference doesn't matter, but the evidence against you is strong.

      --
      The best is simply the best.
  39. Re:Sovereignty by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    I have a saying. National sovereignty is a violation of personal sovereignty. I need to further develop my philosophy, but you gotta start somewhere.

  40. Re:No, it's kind of cruft by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    Originally Windows was essentially a shell over MS-DOS. At that time, Windows was 16-bit and SYSTEM was the directory. Some stuff kind of still wants other stuff there, and this matters in the 32-bit versions of Windows which can still run 15-bit Windows programs and many DOS programs. The transition to 32-bit was not the major compatibility breaking change you say it is. 16-bit calls were thunked to 32-bit routines just as 32-bit calls are now thunked to 64-bit routines in 54-bit versions of Windows.

  41. Current History Indicates.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    .. that such a convention would not be followed by the United States at the very least.

    Our intelligence and governments are beyond control at the moment, and even if laws are brought in to prevent such activities, they will just do so secretly and do whatever they can to silence whistleblowers exposing these activities.

  42. Great idea. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In a country that does not respect the Geneva convention and likes to torture innocent people until they confess to be guilty.

  43. Complete idiocy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First, anybody with an ounce of historical knowledge knows that very few have ever truly lived up to the Geneva Convention. When nations who are signatories figure that adherence will not cost them a war, they live up to it to some extent for good PR. When nations feel that adherence may cost them more than the good PR they do not adhere to it. It's also important to remember that many of the world's worst actors are not signatories and thus are not subject to it. Example: while the Americans and the Brits adhered to in in WWII and the NAZI Germans sort of pretended to with their American and Brit POWs, the Japanese killed and ATE some of their American and Brit POWs.... so much for the Geneva Conventions.

    Second, if companies like Microsoft would simply stop peddling buggy and vulnerable CRAP (and bribing/propagandizing governments to use it for the public interest) then there would be no NEED for a "gentlemen's agreement" to behave properly. Rather than publicly pushing for the computer equivalent of voluntary gun control (getting the best people to promise to be more polite while doing nothing about the truly bad actors and leaving those guys fully-armed), and in doing so further fooling the public into thinking they have security, Microsoft should stop importing so many bad Indian H1B coders and actually FIX THEIR VULNERABLE AND BUG-RIDDEN PRODUCTS.

  44. Why? by guruevi · · Score: 1

    Are security protocols that broken at larger organizations or is it just Microsoft asking for government protection from improving and finding bugs in their software?

    It's easy to defend against a security attack, you could use perhaps a large amount of sites small enough to be managed by a 2 or 3 man team and then connect those sites with a network that takes different routes around when one goes missing. We could have ARPA develop the thing and call it ARPAnet.

    --
    Custom electronics and digital signage for your business: www.evcircuits.com
  45. Nonsense by Kjella · · Score: 1

    The NSA isn't snooping on Facebook and Gmail because they expect to find Chinese and Russian military secrets there. Almost all active conflicts now are asymmetric warfare where at least one of the parties aren't enrolled in regular armies of any kind, it's just people. They don't dress up in uniform, they don't have any particular military infrastructure, they hide among the civilian population in civilian buildings and use civilian tools. The general population's freedom, privacy and anonymity will come under attack again and again. I can wave a convention at the NSA all I want, they don't care. What we need are hardened tools, better transparency and more control. And the legal protection to be able to use those tools freely.

    --
    Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
  46. Re: The US failed to ratify the Geneva Conventions by cyber-vandal · · Score: 2

    Where do you buy security breeches? The normal ones I wear are forever letting me down.

  47. Here's a "HYPER ALLOY Combat Chassis..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: A "westinghouse M-25 phased plasma rifle" by "Sgt. TechCom DN38416" via APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-7 32/64-bit https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=%22APK+Hosts+File+Engine%22+and+%22start64%22&btnG=Google+Search&gbv=1/

    "Assigned 2 protect u - U've been targetted 4 termination!"

    It's

    "Microprocessor controlled: Fully armored, VERY tough"!

    Cuz

    "That terminator IS out there!"

    ("Can't be bargained w/, it can't be reasoned with. Doesn't feel pity, remorse or fear (& it absolutely WILL NOT STOP ever until U R DEAD))"

    &

    "Come w/ me IF u wanna live!"

    * My program gives u more security/speed/reliability/anonymity 4 less in fast kernelmode natively w/ less complexity/room 4 exploit - Especially vs. threats like this that slow & infect u!

    APK

    P.S.=> "They lived only to face a new nightmare - the war against the machines" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih_l0vBISOE/ & their logic engines being misused... apk

    1. Re:Here's a "HYPER ALLOY Combat Chassis..." by Khyber · · Score: 1

      None of your HOSTs files protects against state-sponsored attacks. That one got proven by plenty of state actors already.

      Give up on your shitty outdated 'security' as this modern world barely even uses HOSTs any longer.

      --
      Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
  48. A "HYPER ALLOY Combat Chassis..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: A "westinghouse M-25 phased plasma rifle" by "Sgt. TechCom DN38416" via APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-7 32/64-bit https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=%22APK+Hosts+File+Engine%22+and+%22start64%22&btnG=Google+Search&gbv=1/

    "Assigned 2 protect u - U've been targetted 4 termination!"

    It's

    "Microprocessor controlled: Fully armored, VERY tough"!

    Cuz

    "That terminator IS out there!"

    ("Can't be bargained w/, it can't be reasoned with. Doesn't feel pity, remorse or fear (& it absolutely WILL NOT STOP ever until U R DEAD))"

    &

    "Come w/ me IF u wanna live!"

    * My program gives u more security/speed/reliability/anonymity 4 less in fast kernelmode natively w/ less complexity/room 4 exploit - Especially vs. threats like this that slow & infect u!

    APK

    P.S.=> "They lived only to face a new nightmare - the war against the machines" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih_l0vBISOE/ & their logic engines being misused... apk

    1. Re:A "HYPER ALLOY Combat Chassis..." by NIGGERpenisbestPENIS · · Score: 0

      You're the new TimeCube guy - totally OCD and unwilling to answer YES OR NO to whether you've ever been diagnosed with any sort of mental disorder. I notice you do not deny it.

      Hosts files are okay. I use them. I use a good firewall and good browser add-ons too. I like overlapping layers. I am satisfied with the performance. I am not running old hardware so I consider the trade-offs worthwhile. Can you accept that?

      --
      The best is simply the best.
  49. Dumb idea? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trying to make sense out of this strange proposal:
    To date, the Geneva convention works great for countries with something to loose, but small fry ignore it.
    Don't see why it would be any different is the new fangled 'cyber space'.
    That says that any agreement is not for small fry.
    Still, it might be nice to have some expected rules of war so that a cyber attack taking out the power grid does not cause a real, nuclear return fire.

    ps:
    More likely idea behind this:
    Cyber attacks require vulnerabilities (IE, bugs) to attack.
    I can see that this might make sense to the folks who have single handedly created the most attack surface on the planet.

    pps:
    It's interesting that in the above abbreviation for 'that is' is also the the name of Internet Explorer. (take out the comma after IE, and it may be a more valid sentence?)

    .

  50. How about digital NATO instead, by John.Banister · · Score: 2

    where all the signatory companies agree to spend a minimum percentage of gross profits on making their products secure. And, they could agree to cooperate with other digital defense treaty companies on security matters.

  51. Not a Window$ fan but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hate Window$ and most Micro$oft products, but even Satan was once an Angel and though many many many Linux users have tried to get people together and have a serious discussion regarding privacy, many of our open source licenses fall short in regards to how the software can be used, including how Window$ steals code all the time and adds backdoors. Well, a lot of people like Window$ and know nothing of Linux's existence (sad). So, feelings aside, this may actually be the first thing they've done that I actually like and may help if they really try to include everyone and it not just be a bunch of Window$ and Mac users scratching each others backs. Linus Torvalds better be there.

  52. If they use hostnames? It works by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See my subject: Most attacks use host-domain names (easily moved = why unlike IP addresses ICANN/IANA block quickly sinkholing them)

    * By the way, Khyber - Are YOU doing better than I have on this front?

    (I know what most attacks utilize - I ought to, after working w/ the security community online since 1997)

    APK

    P.S.=> Answer = Oh, HELL no, lol... apk

    1. Re:If they use hostnames? It works by Khyber · · Score: 1

      "By the way, Khyber - Are YOU doing better than I have on this front?"

      I've never had an attack or network penetration, ever, because I'm smarter than you. I've never had to write a HOSTs program, because unlike you, I'm not stupid enough to get infected by anything, and I'm smart enough to use dedicated hardware that's impervious to OS workarounds.

      You, on the other hand, and your outdated security friends, have tried to beat my system, and you've all failed miserably. So, please, come back when you're actually competent at breaking into systems, then you can talk about security.

      --
      Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
  53. Noted security experts disagree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oliver Day (SYMANTEC/SECURITYFOCUS):

    http://www.securityfocus.com/c...

    "The host file on my day-to-day laptop is now over 16,000 lines long. Accessing the Internet -- particularly browsing the Web -- is actually faster now."

    "... More recently, projects like Spybot Search and Destroy offer lists of known malicious servers to add a layer of defense against trojans and other forms of malware"

    OReilly on hosts for security -> http://oreilly.com/pub/a/windo... & For speed -> http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/...

    Steve Gibson endorses hosts as good https://www.grc.com/sn/sn-045....

    Aryeh Goretsky of ESET/NOD32: hosts = good security http://it.slashdot.org/comment...

    Brocke Wilders of WILDERS' SECURITY does via an inferior clone of MY PROGRAM http://www.wilderssecurity.com...

    Malwarebytes hpHosts' Admin hosts + RECOMMENDS my work http://hosts-file.net/?s=Download/

    APK

  54. /.ers & malwarebytes disagree #1/2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    his hosts program is actually pretty good by xenotransplant

    his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources by alexgieg

    I've never tried to belittle (APK's) work, I've flat out said it's good by BronsCon

    take a look at the APK hosts file engine by SuperKendall

    APK is kinda right. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works by bmo

    APK is totally right on this count. Adblock Plus on Firefox mobile is a dog on older, or lower end, phones. A hostfile based adblocker makes for a much better experience by chihowa

    I like your host file system by Karmashock

    I find your hosts file admirable by vel-ex-tech

    * My code's liked + recommended & hosted by Malwarebytes' hpHosts!

    Hosts in fast kernelmode = superior vs. crippled/security issue riddled methods (slow usermode) w/ what you natively have (vs illogically bolting on more doing less using more).

    APK

    P.S.=> More coming... apk

    1. Re:/.ers & malwarebytes disagree #1/2 by Khyber · · Score: 1

      Hey, guess what? My internal to router block list is only TEN lines long and runs a thousand times faster than your shitty hosts file.

      You needed 16,000 lines to do what I could do in ten. You're fucking PATHETIC and so are the people that trust and support you.

      --
      Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
  55. /.ers & malwarebytes disagree #1/2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I support APK's stand on the hosts file by Trax3001BBS

    Your premise that hostfiles are a good way to deal with advertising and malvertising is quite valid by JazzLad

    No complaints from me, I like APK... Reminds me to use a host file. Also, his stuff is free by aaaaaaargh!

    APK's monolithic hosts file is looking pretty good by Culture20

    APK... Awesome to see he's still spreading the good word by Molochi

    ABP is insufficient as a solid hosts file does everything that APK reminds us about by fast turtle

    APK isn't wrong by cfalcon

    APK, I know people give you a lot of shit regarding hosts, but please don't ever stop by nasredin

    You need APK's hosts file by Teun

    APK solution STILL relevant by Thud457

    you're right about hosts files by drinkypoo

    APK

    P.S.=> They're in addition to many more earlier + 1,000's worldwide - there's no arguing w/ success... apk

  56. Here's "a HYPER ALLOY Combat Chassis..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: A "westinghouse M-25 phased plasma rifle" by "Sgt. TechCom DN38416" via APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-7 32/64-bit https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=%22APK+Hosts+File+Engine%22+and+%22start64%22&btnG=Google+Search&gbv=1/

    "Assigned 2 protect u - U've been targetted 4 termination!"

    It's

    "Microprocessor controlled: Fully armored, VERY tough"!

    Cuz

    "That terminator IS out there!"

    ("Can't be bargained w/, it can't be reasoned with. Doesn't feel pity, remorse or fear (& it absolutely WILL NOT STOP ever until U R DEAD))"

    &

    "Come w/ me IF u wanna live!"

    * My program gives u more security/speed/reliability/anonymity 4 less in fast kernelmode natively w/ less complexity/room 4 exploit - Especially vs. threats like this that slow & infect u!

    APK

    P.S.=> "They lived only to face a new nightmare - the war against the machines" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih_l0vBISOE/ & their logic engines being misused... apk

    1. Re:Here's "a HYPER ALLOY Combat Chassis..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My hosts file is generated nightly from when I sodomize a cat from the shit splatter. It work better because of the added entropy that keeps attackers guessing.

      I have also been eating vast quantities of paint chips so my hosts file can blok xray from seeing my furry ponr collection. Can your magic network device do that.

      APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-7 32/64-bit https://www.google.com/search?...

      APK

      P.S.=> Today is the day at the institution when they let me not teh internetz.

  57. In the Future by hughbar · · Score: 1

    Only Microsoft will be allowed to attack and spy on you, without being perturbed or sidelined by these annoying competitors.

    Sorry, that's juvenile and I should know better, but these little outbursts of virtue signalling from them get my goat. And I haven't even got a goat.

    --
    On y va, qui mal y pense!
  58. That's bs! No I haven't been: Have you? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See my subject: That's the question as you project your issues on me & w/ a name like you use you ask ME that?

    * Answer = No - I've never been diagnosed w/ mental issues (it's clear u might've been though).

    APK

    P.S.=>

    "Hosts files are okay. I use them" - by N I G G E R p e n i s b e s t P E N I S (4841047) on Tuesday February 14, 2017 @10:08PM (#53870731)

    Good to see @ least you have SOME good sense in using hosts files though... apk

  59. Oh how CLEVER (not): Impersonating me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See my subject: Is that what you're reduced to, immature little moron, when you run dry of your downmodpoints? Yes.

    APK

    P.S.=> Grow up & do something USEFUL w/ your WASTED LIFE instead, you "ne'er-do-well" pitiful loser... apk

  60. Here's HOW/WHY you're slower & cost more by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Clue: Of MILLIONS of known bad sites out there 10 lines doesn't cut it EVEN wildcarded & your router cost MONEY & so does its increased powerbill too!

    * I do it FASTER & FREE in local RAM kernelmode speed, no network hops involved OR other overheads (filtered drivers etc.) & I built it myself (unlike a "ne'er-do-well" with no skill like YOU, lol).

    (Can you do name resolution as fast as hosts do from local RAM cached hosts w/ favorite you spend MOST TIME @ online @ TOP of it for FASTEST POSSIBLE resolves? No!).

    FACT: What YOU do on name resolution that's SLOWER is vector your blocklist 1st, then go out to a REMOTE DNS (slow roundtrip & potentially DNS poisoned), then resolve - way, Way, WAY SLOWER - you FAIL again, fool! Thanks for making me look good & making my point!

    APK

    P.S.=> I knocked EvilSS over on THIS VERY THING (when his use of almostalladsblocked shit that doesn't work failed) & twice (he tried it again using ac posts, lol)... apk

  61. That's NOT what I asked... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What have YOU personally built that does a BETTER JOB than this (not 'opensores' thievery either) APK Hosts File Engine 9.0++ SR-7 32/64-bit https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=%22APK+Hosts+File+Engine%22+and+%22start64%22&btnG=Google+Search&gbv=1/ for more speed, security, reliability & anonymity online as I have from scratch/my own code that even the highly esteemed likes of Malwarebytes HOSTS & RECOMMENDS from me, hmmm?

    * ZERO from you on that account = the real answer, lol!

    APK

    P.S.=> Took you long enough to answer just to FUCKUP again (hamster straining on his pinwheel in your dull unskilled "ne'er-do-well" brain again) here & HERE more importantly vs. myself https://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10245269&cid=53877573/ Clue: Don't even TRY to "think" - you're too dumb to outthink me... apk

    1. Re:That's NOT what I asked... apk by Khyber · · Score: 1

      I've built my own protocols. This is why you can't touch my stuff.

      It's called PROPER PROGRAMMING - something your 16,000 lines of code is not.

      --
      Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
  62. True security experts support me, NOT you fool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See my subject & this link https://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10245269&cid=53870029/ you pitiful fuck w/ nothing as good as what I do that even highly esteemed Malwarebytes' people host & recommend - why? You're a CHATTERING MENIAL LEVEL moron with no REAL skills in computing... lol!

    FACT: Your router itself Co$t$ MONEY, my solutions FREE & NATIVE + FASTER https://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10245269&cid=53877573/ in detail as to how/why, you utter menial no brain moron dolt.

    APK

    P.S.=> Who SUPPORTS YOU or anything YOU have done "ne'er-do-well" hmmm? NOBODY! I have plenty in the link above & in our /. peers as shown too https://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10245269&cid=53870065/ & https://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10245269&cid=53870129/ (+ 1,000's worldwide using MY work, not your non-existent HOT air blowhard bullshit)... apk

  63. LOL! Depending on routers = FOOL's game by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject & a VERY PARTIAL ONLY list of router flaws (I literally have 100's more too) https://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=9995967&cid=53488785/ & my other posts totally do you in here https://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10245269&cid=53877573/ HOW/WHY your router's slower & blocklist is WEAK + MANY support me (not you chattering dolt "ne'er-do-well" do nothing) including SECURITY EXPERTS https://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10245269&cid=53877715/ who also host & recommend MY work (not your non-existent hot air, you no talent moron menial - which you ARE, proven here https://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10245269&cid=53877617/

    APK

    P.S.=> Every time you try this I MOW YOU DOWN easily w/ documented facts (I have dozens of times bookmarked that I have, lol)... apk

    1. Re:LOL! Depending on routers = FOOL's game by Khyber · · Score: 1

      "Documented facts"

      >nothing but a bunch of other 3rd world 'security' people having their words repeated by you

      Meanwhile, as I've proven (and as Microsoft has proven) time and time again, HOSTs is bypassed by the OS and browsers AT WILL.

      You fucking moron.

      --
      Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
  64. You prove you're a moron again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Meanwhile, as I've proven (and as Microsoft has proven) time and time again, HOSTs is bypassed by the OS and browsers AT WILL. You fucking moron" - by Khyber (864651) on Thursday February 16, 2017 @10:16AM (#53879751)

    Where do hosts get bypassed no mind? Windows Update ONLY stupid fuck!

    Even our other /. peers KNOW that but you don't https://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=9452517&cid=52602309/

    The only way a browser can 'bypass' hosts is hardcodes internally OR using IP addresses vs. hostnames (who the f is stupid enough to do that? Not most).

    Lastly: Each of the security/web experts I quoted say hosts = good speed & security + plenty of our /. peers support my work liking & using it unlike YOU, blowhard!

    Some of them even HOST & RECOMMEND my work (not yours, loser).

    APK

    P.S.=> Fuck it's obvious: You = a "ne'er-do-well" LOSER hiding behind a 'phantasyland' FAKE NAME for your FAKE LIFE of a loser do-nothing is all you will EVER be (& YOU KNOW IT)... apk

    1. Re:You prove you're a moron again by Khyber · · Score: 1

      >fake name and fake life

      Meanwhile, as Vice President of one of the oldest mineralogical societies in California, I've secured their entire network exactly as I described and ran a full-out attempt to get any ad to display on our computers.

      ZERO ADS DISPLAYED.

      I just block the largest ad networks off the bat by wildcard IP and it's fucking done in my router. ZERO ADS TOUCH ME.

      Apparently, you're not smart enough to figure out that the ad companies paid for static IPs for easy configuration, in whole blocks. Just block the entire fucking range.

      Code line reduction by four fucking orders of magnitude.

      Meanwhile, back to my job as Vice President and certified gemologist, LOSER.

      --
      Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
    2. Re:You prove you're a moron again by Khyber · · Score: 1

      "Where do hosts get bypassed no mind? Windows Update ONLY stupid fuck!"

      And every browser, and any program can be programmed to bypass HOSTs, proven time and time again with a simple GOOGLE SEARCH - how? Ignore fucking DNS resolution in the OS and do it yourself (ever hear of ZenMate for Chrome? It does exactly that.)

      USELESS. This is why IP blocking works best.

      BTW, you can simply bypass HOSTs if a piece of malware simply removes the user permissions from HOSTs. Pretty shitty 'security.'

      --
      Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
  65. PROVE IT bullshitter, lol... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I've built my own protocols" by Khyber (864651) on Thursday February 16, 2017 @10:14AM (#53879745)

    See subject: Prove it FAKE NAME online for your FAKE LIE OF A LIFE! You PROVE you're a dumb liar https://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10245269&cid=53880235/

    "It's called PROPER PROGRAMMING - something your 16,000 lines of code is not." by Khyber (864651) on Thursday February 16, 2017 @10:14AM (#53879745)

    My work's good enough to be hosted & RECOMMENDED by the highly esteemed Malwarebytes + many 1,000s worldwide use it, including /.ers speaking highly of it - how about YOU, blowhard liar? See subject. Prove it.

    APK

    P.S.=> You're nothing more than a bullshitting LYING little trolling online fake name using fool... Oh, this makes my bookmarks - utterly priceless - HILARIOUS! apk

  66. Yet you didn't know you are wrong... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "HOSTs is bypassed by the OS and browsers AT WILL" - by Khyber (864651)

    Windows doesn't block hosts fool (only 4 windows update) https://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=9452517&cid=52602309/

    * You're resolving slower - nothing's faster than hosts locally resolving the way MY program makes it for host-domain names @ TOP of hosts cached in RAM & faster when I tweak the registry too as shown below turning off the broken w/ large hosts file USERMODE SLOWER defective dnscache service (going PURE kernelmode to kernelmode TCIPIP.SYS to kernelmode diskcache subsystem)

    The ONLY way a browser can bypass it is IF you use IP addresses - tell me: HOW do you do that when you don't know an IP address? Slower is how, see above.

    APK

    P.S.=> Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

    [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\Tcpip\ServiceProvider]
    "DnsPriority"=dword:00000006
    "HostsPriority"=dword:00000005
    "LocalPriority"=dword:00000007
    "NetbtPriority"=dword:00000008

    1. Re:Yet you didn't know you are wrong... apk by Khyber · · Score: 1

      "Windows doesn't block hosts fool (only 4 windows update)"

      I didn't say Windows blocks HOSTs - now you're putting words in my mouth you incompetent fuck.

      But it still bypasses it for Windows update? THAT IS EXACTLY WHY HOSTS IS USELESS!

      If I fucking say YOU DO NOT GO THERE and yet the computer STILL GOES THERE, then HOSTs is BROKEN.

      That you cannot accept this logic is proof that you're insane, untrustworthy, and a FRAUD.

      --
      Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
  67. Who're u bs'ing jailbird? U SAID Microsoft liar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've proven (and as Microsoft has proven) time and time again, HOSTs is bypassed by the OS and browsers AT WILL" by Khyber (864651) on Thursday February 16, 2017 @10:16AM (#53879751)

    See subject & as to your california connection? I see it's jailtime for YOU http://www.cadailysun.com/news/california/man-jailed-on-multiple-counts/11506041.html & protection of hosts being overwritten for Windows Update = smart (my program protects hosts above & beyond WFP/SFP + ACL windows uses for that w/ hardcoded windows update servers for WinUpdate).

    APK

    P.S.=> By now, I think ANYONE can see WHO is "insane" loser & it's not me, it's YOU jailbitch: Plenty support me here & in the security world on hosts per https://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10245269&cid=53870065/ , https://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10245269&cid=53870129/ & https://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10245269&cid=53870029/ - not U, jailbird... apk

    1. Re:Who're u bs'ing jailbird? U SAID Microsoft liar by Khyber · · Score: 1

      Ahh, the moron looking at OLD NEWS (in which the e-mail was proven a FAKE - the header was TWO LINES LONG. Obviously fake.)

      See how stupid you are? Now I have you, Alexander P Kowalski, for libel, and the proof is right here, where you can't touch it, hide it, or deny it.

      Now to hunt you down and file suit.

      --
      Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
  68. Jailbird san quentin "minerological society" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "as Vice President of one of the oldest mineralogical societies in California" - by Khyber ( 864651 ) on Saturday February 18, 2017 @11:53PM (#53894687)

    See subject & SanQuentin stateprison breaking rockpile rocks != "minerological surveys" http://www.cadailysun.com/news/california/man-jailed-on-multiple-counts/11506041.html/ - R o T f L m A o @ U, Khyber (Alex McClown)

    My program protects above WFP/SFP & ACL Windows has for hosts too - you lose again as always.

    APK

    P.S.=> MANY /.ers & security pros speak for me in MY FAVOR & outnumber your conman bs jailbird loon logic by MANY orders of magnitude vs. your bs https://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10245269&cid=53870029/ , https://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10245269&cid=53870065/ & https://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10245269&cid=53870129/ ... apk

    1. Re:Jailbird san quentin "minerological society" by Khyber · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the extra libel evidence.

      I love it when you lose so hard you have to resort to personal attacks.

      I'm going to love to even more when the news of the lawsuit comes to bite you in the ass.

      --
      Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
  69. Khyber/Alex McClown, it's fact about you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Alex McClown president of the San Quentin prison rockpile breaking society (lol) != mineralogical work http://www.cadailysun.com/news/california/man-jailed-on-multiple-counts/11506041.html/ - that's right I do KNOW who & what you are, loser.

    * That's no personal attack - it's merely FACT about you, & you know it, jailbird loon.

    As far as malwarebytes folks? I always say it's 1 of their TOP employees that hosts & recommends my work on malwarebytes' hpHosts site stupid... so make me laugh more, please, lol!

    That's something a JAILBIRD like you will NEVER ever manage!

    APK

    P.S.=> Not only that, but you're a PUNY 5 ft. 150lb. whimp, lol - it must SUCK to be you, seriously... apk

  70. LMAO - make me laugh jailbird loser... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: & what "fake" mail? I don't put things down that aren't fact I read about like your jailtime http://www.cadailysun.com/news/california/man-jailed-on-multiple-counts/11506041.html/ loser.

    APK

    P.S.=> What lawsuit would THAT be & WHAT FOR, Khyber/Alex McClown? THIS I gotta hear to laugh more... apk