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Scientists Propose Plan To Re-Freeze the Arctic (inhabitat.com)
Kristine Lofgren writes: In case you've been under a rock for the past 20 years, the Arctic is melting super fast. Certain *ahem* governments are dragging their feet doing anything about it, which means the planet could be in for a spectacular meltdown within the next 20 years. But a clever bunch of scientists have hatched a plan to re-freeze the Arctic using wind-powered pumps that will bring water to the surface, allowing it to freeze. This new layer of ice could last well into the summer, which is vital, because scientists think summer Arctic ice could be gone by 2030 -- and that causes a whole chain of terrible events that will only make our climate change problem much, much worse. The plan has a $500 billion price tag, but that's pocket change compared to the cost of dealing with an ice-free Arctic. The study has been published in The American Geophysical Union's journal Earth's Future. You can read more about the study via The Guardian.
Here's how arctic sea ice has fared relative to IPCC projections: http://neven1.typepad.com/.a/6...
Here ya go: https://scratch.mit.edu/projec...
What's your point? Because a ship got stuck in some ice are you inferring there is no Arctic ice melting issue?
Eeek, I hope you're not in a decision making position there.
Never happened. True story.
And that water isn't frozen when it is below the surface, so it contains some heat. I guess that heat will just radiate into the atmosphere, with no ill effects. Just what the Arctic needs, a giant heat pump!
The Ice level in the arctic is a symptom, not the cause. Otherwise, is this story from the Onion or something?
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
All that tells you is that their models are wrong
But wrong on the side that vindicates the "alarmists" and shows the "sceptics" up as being very, very wrong.
Normally, the sea ice freezes over the water, capping it off and insulating it. Heat soaks only slowly through the ice, cooling the water under the ice and freezing it, slowly.
Instead, if we pump seawater up and drop it on the top of the ice, it will freeze quickly. So we can increase the thickness of the ice, so it will, hopefully, last longer.
If done on a large scale, however, it will warm the arctic winter, as heat is added to the system in the form of liquid water to be frozen, water surface that is 0 degrees C instead of solid ice at maybe -20 degrees C. The increased ice is probably a net positive for the artctic, but I dislike all these goengineering kludges.
Prediction for end of Universe #42: Fencepost error in Quantum_bogosort.cpp
...we really ought to be getting our asses in gear and looking at the impact of mitigation strategies at the 'global environmental engineering' scale, and maybe doing a few local-scale tests to help build better models to aid in the assessments.
The idiocy in this is not only in engaging in dubious and expensive schemes that will either not work, may exacerbates the instability of the climate, could be irreversible, might lead to run-away effects etc etc - but we are doing this to avoid having to simply make a few, easy adjustments to our lifestyles, like cut back on brainless consumerism and the myth that the economy must - or even can - grow forever. We are already living on borrowed time; we are using up limited resources and we still resist even thinking about renewable energy - we are only able to feed the 7+ billion people on the planet by spending lots of energy on producing artificial fetilizers (something like 40% of the nitrogen in our bodies now comes from artificial fertilizer - check for yourself). We are already at the point where it would take just 1 year or so of disruption in our chemical industries to produce a worldwide hunger catastrophe, just to put it into a bit of perspective.
All in all, we really do need to be willing to accept changes - wasting effort on hare-brained shemes is stupid. Climate is only one of the big threats we face, and we can to some extent simply adjust to it, but unless we learn to curb overconsumption in a serious way, it won't matter all that much. Call me alarmist if you will, but I'd much rather be ridiculed by morons today, than have my children and grand-children live through the alternatives.
It's a fraud because he doesn't like the conclusions. End of.
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
I sometimes read about how American Christians refuse to accept evolution theory in class rooms and even teach creation next to evolution.
In my country they do no longer teach evolution and even teach an alternative history that skips all former empires and let it start with Mohamed. I even hear non Muslim kids recite the Koran. Why is that? Because our schools are now teaching Islam and have changed the content of the lessons in such a way that no Imam will be offended. This is in a traditional Catholic country and most kids learn that Jesus was just a prophet who never died on the cross.
Even in universities lessons are interrupted by an angry mob of Islamists. The result is that Islamic students don't have to get study points in evolution, even not when they are learning to become a doctor.
And when everyone who criticizes this situation is immediately put away as an Islamophobe and is seen as the cause of all world problems you understand you can no longer change the situation. And then you have come to the conclusion that you no longer feel home in your own country. And you look at the 'free' world where you see politicians but also the non redneck people make the same mistake. They underestimate the power of Islam. Victimhood has been invented and perfected by Muslims.
Just last week a Mosque that sponsored IS in the name of charity and sold drugs and stolen goods to fund their 'charity' was closed. Although about 50 young boys and about 70 young girls of their community went to the caliphate in Syria and Iraq, they still play the victim card. The muslims told they were victims of racists. Racists put the drugs and stolen goods in their mosque and they are now acting like the poor people who were attacked by an angry mob and have to pray outside on the streets in the cold and rain. And of course weak people claim that the 'white man' should be ashamed to throw those 'poor Muslims' on the streets, completely ignoring the fact that they laundered over 30 million euro in 2016 alone. That's not what I call poverty...
But yeah, mod everyone down, say everyone lies, say that Islam is not bad, say that it is in every ones interest to also convert to Islam, but don't be surprised when a fascist politician will be chosen and when the EU falls apart in the next 10 years.
Cool story, bro. Here's what he actually said:
Last September 21 (2007), as the Northern Hemisphere tilted away from the sun, scientists reported with unprecedented distress that the North Polar ice cap is "falling off a cliff." One study estimated that it could be completely gone during summer in less than 22 years. Another new study, to be presented by U.S. Navy researchers later this week, warns it could happen in as little as 7 years.
So Al Gore didn't predict anything, he cited an actual researcher.
The Navy researcher that leads this "new study" team that the former vice president alludes to is Wieslaw Maslowski at the Naval Post Graduate School in Monterey, California. The team's research was funded by the Department of Energy (DOE), the Office of Naval Research (ONR), the National Science Foundation (NSF), the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA).
Maslowski also did not say "by 2013" in his original research in 2007 or when it was republished in 2009. This grandstanding about sea ice and Gore, for whatever reason, is a huge and egregious deception. The actual prediction from Maslowski's 2009 publication is, "Autumn could become near ice free between 2011 and 2016."
And not even the researcher who did make a prediction said exactly what you claim they said.
However, now that we have actual measurements for 2011-2016, we can see that the lowest autumn sea ice extent for the period in question was 3.389 million km^2 (Sep 16 2012). That's the lowest on record and less than half as much as the same day in 1979, but arguably still too high to call it "near ice free". So Maslowski's worst-case prediction didn't come true, and now you can be less wrong on the internet.