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Should International Travelers Leave Their Phones At Home? (freecodecamp.com)

Long-time Slashdot reader Toe, The sums up what he learned from freeCodeCamp's Quincy Larson: "Before you travel internationally, wipe your phone or bring/rent/buy a clean one." Larson's article is titled "I'll never bring my phone on an international flight again. Neither should you." All the security in the world can't save you if someone has physical possession of your phone or laptop, and can intimidate you into giving up your password... Companies like Elcomsoft make 'forensic software' that can suck down all your photos, contacts -- even passwords for your email and social media accounts -- in a matter of minutes.... If we do nothing to resist, pretty soon everyone will have to unlock their phone and hand it over to a customs agent while they're getting their passport swiped... And with this single new procedure, all the hard work that Apple and Google have invested in encrypting the data on your phone -- and fighting for your privacy in court -- will be a completely moot point.
The article warns Americans that their constitutional protections don't apply because "the U.S. border isn't technically the U.S.," calling it "a sort of legal no-man's-land. You have very few rights there." Larson points out this also affects Canadians, but argues that "You can't hand over a device that you don't have."

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  1. Re:Attack Software by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you want to be a pedant learn some knowledge.

    1) Voltage isn't a measure of power, but it is a measure of ESD tolerance.

    2) You can get any voltage you want out of a cell phone battery. The only question is how many amps at that voltage.

  2. Re:IIRC, you don't have to give them the password by Imrik · · Score: 4, Informative

    You can't be compelled to give your password, you can however be denied permission to travel if you withhold it.

  3. Re:Hyperbole stew by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    The fourth amendment reads:

    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

    There's some wiggle room in there, but the intent seems clear. Searches should be limited to those accused of a crime, and must be authorized by a judge/magistrate that there is probable cause.

  4. Re:Ways around this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Be careful, American border patrol was just given authority to conduct is security theatre in Canadian airports too, courtesy of Joe Trudeau.

  5. Re:Ways around this by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1, Informative

    Simpler way: just don't visit the United States.

    Allow me to present to you a lout and vociferous BULLSHIT! Do you have dremams about killing 'Murricans, because we're so damn evil? Well here you go, and allow me to show the extent of your bullshit. http://www.it-can.ca/2013/02/0...

    Seems like our friendly neighbors to the north, do indeed and in truth, confiscate peoples cell phones, and they do indeed search them, and they do indeed make uses of those search results, and their courts do indeed consider that as an acceptable practice. They even say that they do. Indeed.

    One of the strangest things is that so many people have such a white hot seeting hatred of all things American, that they feel that in their just cause, and in the inherent superiority of all other nations, that they can spew hatred and lies about teh evilz 'Murricans doing what everyone does.

    But hey, if you hate us that much for made up and non-factual reasons, feel free to stay away. You might learn that most of us are actually nice people - and that would mess with your preconceptions.

    --
    The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
  6. Canada is no better in this respect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Canada's customs agents also take away phones and read data off of them.

  7. Re: Ways around this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's only if you're US bound however.

  8. Re:Ways around this by Hylandr · · Score: 1, Informative

    No need to blame the media conspiracy.

    You live in a bubble, or work for the entertainment industry (media)

    A few tweets do not justify the vitriol that's been projected towards our President. Any intelligent individual can see this and you know it.

    --
    ~ People that think they are better than anyone else for any reason are the cause of all the strife in the world.
  9. Re:Ways around this by quenda · · Score: 4, Informative

    let alone makes a stopover, you still are subject to US customs inspection.

    Another US peculiarity, which is a major problem for many people daily.

    Making it worse, the US considers Canada and Mexico part of the US for visa purposes.
    So a 4-month visit to Canada, transiting the US both ways, is considered a 4-month stay in the US and so ineligible for ESTA and needing a full visa with interview just to transit.

    Here is some help to avoid US transit:

    https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki...

    http://wikitravel.org/en/Avoid...

  10. Re:Ways around this by Solandri · · Score: 4, Informative

    That wasn't a change, it was maintaining the status quo. The U.S. operates several extra-territorial checkpoints in Canada (and other countries). If you're leaving certain Canadian airports for a flight to the U.S., you clear U.S. customs and immigration while in Canada. This simplifies things at the U.S. end (there are a lot fewer Canadian airports than U.S. airports, so fewer staff are needed this way), as well as allows Canadian flights to travel directly to U.S. airports without any U.S. customs and immigration presence.

    The program has been in operation since the 1950s. Absent any disagreement on immigration policies, it is logistically the more efficient way to operate.

  11. Re: Ways around this by ControlsGeek · · Score: 2, Informative

    This has been the case for many years. US Border Control agents clear airline passengers at Pearson Airport before you get to the US departures area gates. (Has nothing to do with Justin Trudeau. )

  12. Re:Ways around this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    You missed the important detail.

    The previous status quo:
          If the US border officials didn't want to let you in, they could not detain you and you were free to turn around and walk away.

    Now, people can get detained/held on Canadian soil by US border officials without the freedom to leave.

    Big difference. Not at all the status quo.