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NASA Scientist Revive 10,000-Year-Old Microorganisms (bbc.com)

"Scientists have extracted long-dormant microbes from inside the famous giant crystals of the Naica mountain caves in Mexico -- and revived them," reports the BBC. An anonymous reader writes: "The organisms were likely to have been encased in the striking shafts of gypsum at least 10,000 years ago, and possibly up to 50,000 years ago," according to the BBC, which calls the strange lifeforms "another demonstration of the ability of life to adapt and cope in the most hostile of environments." With no light, extremophile species must "chemosynthesise," deriving all their energy by extracting minerals from rocks. These ancient microbes "are not very closely related to anything in the known genetic databases," according to the new director of NASA's Astrobiology Institute, who helped conduct the research, and believes that the microbes could help suggest what life might look like on other planets. The BBC adds that many other scientists "suspect that if life does exist elsewhere in the Solar System, it is most likely to be underground, chemosynthesising like the microbes of Naica."

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  1. Whythe vaguness about the age? by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Even though these bacteria are still alive, carbon dating should still work as long as the organism is no longer absorbing carbon from its environment.

    1. Re: Whythe vaguness about the age? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Citation needed.

      Do you mean the crazy creationist claims?

    2. Re:Whythe vaguness about the age? by Gilgaron · · Score: 2

      How much material does one need to perform a carbon dating test? Given they will have at least some motility, the matrix their in isn't necessarily the same age as they are, and you can culture bacteria from amounts far smaller than necessary to perform some chemical tests. Perhaps there isn't enough until after you've grown them up, at which point the carbon test won't tell you anything.

    3. Re: Whythe vaguness about the age? by Mascot · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yet you absolutely refuse to even consider anything religious.

      That's profound ignorance, or an outright lie. E.g. there are several published experiments regarding the efficacy of prayer (summary: praying doesn't help). At least one of the studies was funded by the alleged pro-religious Templeton Foundation.

      There seems to be some confusion in superstitious circles about what "keeping an open mind" actually means. It does not mean "accept anything you're told without evidence," or "accept anything you're told unless you can prove the opposite." It does mean "be open to evaluating new evidence when presented with it."

      In other words, present your evidence for your religious claims. If the evidence holds up to scrutiny, the claim will be accepted. To my knowledge, this has yet to happen.

    4. Re:Whythe vaguness about the age? by quenda · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Carbon dating tells you when the carbon was taken from the atmosphere. It depends on a known ratio of carbon-14 isotopes in the air.
      It does not work for underground organisms, where the air may contain CO2 from the rocks.

    5. Re: Whythe vaguness about the age? by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Buddy, why pick on science? Law does not accept supernatural explanation as defense. Why don't you religious nuts demand religious explanations to be given equal footing with forensic evidence in court cases?

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    6. Re:Whythe vaguness about the age? by bruce_the_loon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Having watched the National Geographic documentary on the expeditions into the caves, the chances of external contamination for the samples looked acceptably low. The samples were taken from an inch or more inside the crystals, from liquid inclusions accessed by drilling with sterilized drill bits and sterile transfer. The sample sites were in deeper areas of the cave to further reduce the risk.

      Combine that with the lack of a close genetic match to modern samples, and the level of confidence in the samples been uncontaminated should be satisfactory high. To contaminate the inclusion, you'd have to breach it, contaminate it and the crystal would have to regrow (something it doesn't do when out of water) all deep inside a cave so hot that it can kill in a couple of minutes without protection.

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  2. Reviving acient microorganisms... by OpenSourced · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I've seen that film.

    It doesn't end well.

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    1. Re:Reviving acient microorganisms... by TheDarkMaster · · Score: 3, Funny

      We still have contact with the laboratory in the Antartic?

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  3. Re: Lets elect them to be president of the US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "How all Trump supporters weren't questioning his leadership qualities then I will never understand."

    We were. Just the other option was worse.

    Lesser of two evils really sums up US presidential elections.

  4. Professor Quatermass was quoted as saying, by magusxxx · · Score: 2

    "They look like little grasshoppers."

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  5. Dominant life Forms by JimSadler · · Score: 2

    I have no clue as to the numbers or mass of these bacteria that munch on rocks beneath our surface. But just maybe they might displace algae as being the predominant life form on Earth. It has been said in the past that an alien species might see algae as the significant life form on Earth and only be interested with communications with algae. Even termites might have more effect upon our world than humans.

  6. Re: Lets elect them to be president of the US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "How all Trump supporters weren't questioning his leadership qualities then I will never understand."

    We were. But we thought the other option was worse.

    We honestly didn't think Trump would actually try to appoint white supremacists, Russian spies and entire board of Goldman Sachs, to key positions. I mean, sure, a bunch of libtards said he'd do that but Trump said he wouldn't and why would we believe that he'd continue doing the same things he's been doing for his entire life when he was promising to Make America Great Again?

    Who would have thought he'd eliminate environmental protections, allow pollution by the coal industry, repeal Obamacare without bothering to offer a replacement and try to build an insanely expensive and impractical wall that will do nothing to stop the flow of drugs and illegal immigrants. I mean, yeah, he literally said he was going to do all that and all the libtards told us we should listen, but the whole campaign was about taking him seriously but not literally and who listens to libtards?

    And we had no way of knowing that a thin-skinned man who has consistently used SLAPP lawsuits to silence people and drive them into bankruptcy would be a vindictive little shit once he was given power. Nobody could have seen that coming. Well, I mean, yeah, the libtards. Blah blah blah. We're never going to listen to them no matter how many times they're right, so just stop bringing them up okay?

    Anyway, Hillary's emails! OMG!! No, Scott Pruitt's emails are fine. Hillary's emails are the problem!

    FTFY

  7. All this talk about exobiology ... by Nutria · · Score: 2

    never mentions how that life might have started.

    Terrestrial proto-life had Sol and warm seas agitated by tidal motion, but Mars gets 56% less sunlight, and Titan gets just 1% of Earth's solar energy.

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    1. Re:All this talk about exobiology ... by Nutria · · Score: 2

      Isn't chemosynthesis much less efficient? That -- to me -- would imply that jump-starting life on Mars or Titan would be significantly more difficult than on Earth.

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  8. No problem by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 4, Funny

    Reviving a 10,000 year old microorganism? I see nothing that could possibly go wrong with this.

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  9. Re: Lets elect them to be president of the US by dev-in-seattle · · Score: 3, Insightful
    >> "I'll start out buy not being forced to spend $6,000 a year on insurance that I don't need and don't want."

    Sure, maybe you are the 1 in 300 million people who will never get sick, you'll never have an accident. But when you do get sick or old, or can't pay your bill because you had a car wreck 6 months ago and can't work, well then the rest of us will pay your bill. Because the hospital won't charge those who can't pay. You'd probably prefer someone die if they can't pay their bill. You might be that special person who never needs to go to the doctor, and you'll die without needing any medical care. Congradulations!

    It saves money for us overall if there aren't millions of people who don't have health insurance. There are some other things that work like this, such as vaccines. Similarly, we pay taxes for firemen, even though, damnit, my house is never going to burn down.

  10. Re:All this talk about exobiology the noo by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

    56% less than what? If it's the terrestrial average I don't see the point. Scotland gets considerably less than that and there's life there. Not sentient life, but life nonetheless.

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