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Cellphones As a Fifth-Order Elaboration of Maxwell's Theory (ieee.org)

schwit1 shares a report from IEEE Spectrum that reflects on the "Stages of Electronics" based on James Clerk Maxwell's theory: Now that the world has become addicted to portable electronics, billions of people have come to see the companies providing these gadgets as the most innovative, and the people who head those companies as the most exalted, of all time. "Genius" is a starter category in this discussion. But clever and appealing though today's electronic gadgets may be, to the historian they are nothing but the inevitable fifth-order elaborations of two fundamental ideas: electromagnetic radiation, the theory of which was formulated by James Clerk Maxwell in the 1860s, and miniaturized fabrication, which followed Richard Feynman's 1959 dictum [PDF] that "there's plenty of room at the bottom." Maxwell was a true genius. The history of science offers few examples of work as brilliant as unifying electricity, magnetism, and light as aspects of a single phenomenon: electromagnetic waves. As Max Planck put it, "in doing so he achieved greatness unequalled."

Vaclav Smil writes via IEEE: "As I pass the zombielike figures on the street, oblivious to anything but their cellphone screens, I wonder how many of them know that the most fundamental advances enabling their addictions came not from Nokia, Apple, Google, Samsung, or LG. These companies' innovations are certainly admirable, but they amount only to adding a few fancy upper floors to a magnificent edifice whose foundations were laid by Maxwell 152 years ago and whose structure depends on decades-old advances that made it possible to build electronics devices ever smaller."

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  1. Claude Shannon? by chthon · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Without his work on the information theory, it seems that this feat would also not be possible (got my master in electronics a couple of years ago, and information theory was more important than both other points).

  2. Consumers by AlphaBro · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Modern consumers almost never consider the origins of complex digital devices (or any other inventions for that matter), and our societies go as far as mocking the "nerds" than make such inventions happen. They don't realize that Apple didn't invent cellular technology because they simply don't give a shit. To the average consumer, a cell phone is only marginally different from a piece of fruit picked from a tree.

    1. Re:Consumers by Dripdry · · Score: 1

      I would argue that people have very much become the same way.
      Origins be damned, are you useful to me right now or not?

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  3. George Boole? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Without his work, it seems that Shannon's feat would not be possible.

  4. You can own it, only if you can build it. by hughbar · · Score: 1

    That should be the universal law, like some crazed version of Kant's categorical imperative. It would stop people bumping into me as I go about my daily business too.

    On the other hand, I did build a (sort-of) computer in about 1966, but the discrete transistors, solder, printed circuit blanks etc. etc. came from an electronics supply store. So I probably wouldn't be able to make this suggestion using a computer that I bought pre-built.

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    1. Re:You can own it, only if you can build it. by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1
      A competent EE graduate should be able to build a computer from raw materials, or at the least, be able to describe in some amount of detail how to go to it.

      1. design transistor (pn junctions or cmos) how they're made and how they work
      2. design logic gates (and, or, flipflop, counter, register, mux) out of transistors
      3. design a computer out of logic gates (addressing, registers, adders, logic (karnaugh))
      as for cell phones, they should know how to build an am or fm radio and to transmit digital information. You need very little theory (as in DE/math based) to be able to do any of this.

    2. Re: You can own it, only if you can build it. by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      The plans for the first computer I wanted to build used 2N3055 transistors for the flip-flops. Yes. Big power transistors. No way in hell could I afford enough of those in the early 70s. If the author of the book in question had a clue, they would have used 2N2907s, I might have been able to make the thing. With a telephone dial as the input device and everything else.

  5. Simplified by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    >But clever and appealing though today's electronic gadgets may be, to the historian they are nothing but the inevitable fifth-order elaborations of two fundamental ideas: electromagnetic radiation, the theory of which was formulated by James Clerk Maxwell in the 1860s, and miniaturized fabrication, which followed Richard Feynman's 1959 dictum [PDF] that "there's plenty of room at the bottom."

    Maxwell and Feynman were indeed geniuses. But a historian would know that just because something happened (the invention of cellphones and similar gadgets) doesn't mean it's inevitable. Also it is very reductionist, but maybe that's the point? One could also include Planck or Boole or Shannon or Turing or others too.

    And while Feynman can rightly be considered the grandfather of nanotechnology, work on integrated circuits had already begun at the time of his first talk on nanoscale manufacturing. I love the guy but it didn't take Feynman's ideas (or Drexler's for that matter) for people to understand the benefits of integrated circuitry.

  6. Why is the government always forgotten by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Those companies are innovative, but if you're going to point out the foundations they build on, I'd like to also point out the government and non-profit research organizations like universities.

    GPS and the internet for example, they were not invented by companies.

    The government is the single largest risk investor. Companies only integrate these technologies into market-fitting packages, which is the most visible part, and thus they get too much credit.

    To have a good discussion it might be useful to distinguish between three phases in how technology spreads: invention, innovation and diffusion.

    1. Re:Why is the government always forgotten by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      The robber barons (Google, Facebook, Uber) remember government very well, when they want to externalize the costs of beating up protesters and jailing dissidents who oppose their profiteering.

  7. well.. not exactly and how you can rat out bullshi by gl4ss · · Score: 4, Insightful

    really, no.

    the hardware enabling comes first. what you do with it comes second. there are inventions and then there are what you would call obvious ideas.

    most visible advancements come from the latter while it's inventions and things that enabled those inventions which enable them.

    for example, if there had not been apple, if there had not been nokia, you would still have that mobile phone - what these companies have mostly done is just applying inventions that enabled their devices to be made, like the transistor and so forth.

    information theory therefore comes second, it's about what you do with them - but it is something that was born out of need for it due to other inventions already existing.

    as obviously you are working mostly in applications of electric devices and what you can do with them, information theory is more important for you, because you aren't really trying to design a smaller chip and break chip manufacturing minimum size limits, in which case you would find the physics research to have been way more valuable for you - and without those devices that are enabled by science you wouldn't be using them for engineering solutions using them.

    shannon seems mostly having been interested in the logic side of things: If you have a machine that does this and this what will be the logical conclusion that you can do with it - people like this are far more likely to pop up rather than the kind of people who come up with the new device itself - for example an internal combustion engine meant quite a lot of changes to the world, once you had that it didn't take quite as much imagination to use it for something as it did to actually come up with a design for a working motor - but once you had the motor it would be obvious to use it to generate electricity, to drive cars, to drive boats and so forth.

    incidentally this difference is how you can smell bullshit sellers a million miles away: if someone is selling like a perpetual motion machine that makes water or a car that runs on water, you need to ask yourself: why isn't he applying it to such and such.

    the thorium car from a while back for example: who fucking cares if it can run a car forever when, if they had a working model for the power source, they would be using it on a car as the last thing on earth making the whole design and articles about it utterly stupid. Having the power generating unit would change the whole world and the cars would be the last thing to change, so why try to sell the idea as a car engine as the first thing?

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  8. Yes, it's *giants* all the way down. by DrYak · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Cue in citation about standing on giants' shoulders by Sir Isaac Newton.

    Yup in reality - unlike what TV show and glamour media want you to think - there isn't such a thing as a "revolution" and "geniuses" in science.
    Science is mainly an iterative process that build upon what was known and possible up to now and pushes the boundary a little bit further on each step.
    It's not powered by "geniuses", but by brilliant humans that are able to notice what is available to them and how to combine these things to push the above mentioned boundaries.

    That means that you can't trace back the "smartphone" as a single revolution started by one single person.
    Countless scientists have each added their small brick to the Great Wall.

    (e.g.: We could also add Volta : all current gizmo are electricity powered).

    The flip side of this is that geeks and nerds tend to never be amazed by new technology.
    We tend to realise that the latest over hyped and marketing pushed "revolution", is basically an evolution of what we've done in the past decade, only a tiny bit better.
    (Nope, Apple's iPhone didn't start the smartphone. Only the mass-marketed smartphone craze. Idea of portable computers have been in the wild for quite some time with companies producing PDAs like Palm, Apple's own Newton, Psion, etc.)

    The *yawn* reaction that you get from /. isn't merely condescending. It's just that we are better aware on which giant's shoulder the latest craze is standing.

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    1. Re:Yes, it's *giants* all the way down. by connect4 · · Score: 1

      Albert Einstein once said, 'I stand not on the shoulders of Newton, but on the shoulders of James Clerk Maxwell.'

    2. Re:Yes, it's *giants* all the way down. by MoreThanThen · · Score: 2

      If you're going to stand on shoulders, Einstein wisely chose the Scotsman over the Englishman.

    3. Re:Yes, it's *giants* all the way down. by Bongo · · Score: 2

      I mostly agree, plus there's a level of semantics to what we choose to call "genius".

      And there's also, not to be ignored, a thing about "emergence". That's when certain conditions make something new possible. And that's a bit different to incremental change. For example, hypothetically, the world has 197 countries (or so) and you could incrementally see blocks merging until maybe there's just 3 counties. Now the difference between 197 and 3 seems big, while the difference between 3 and 0 is small, yet the move from 3 to 0 is arguably the most significant change, as at that point, a very different world becomes possible, a world without borders.

      There's other names for this sort of thing, like "network effect" and "tipping point" and so on. A lot of things are around but don't actually make a big impact until there's sufficient adoption. In that sense a company can make an impact if they, through deals and marketing, manage to promote adoption, even if their own technical contribution was minimal.

      And it's weird with social things like religion -- if just a few people believe it then it is a crazy whako cult, but if millions believe it then it is a religion and worthy of respect and tax exemptions. O_o

    4. Re:Yes, it's *giants* all the way down. by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 2

      I have an electrical engineering degree and tesla is almost a footnote, barely mentioned in anything except a power systems class. Important, yeah, but basically an application of my complex analysis class.

    5. Re:Yes, it's *giants* all the way down. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      It is funny how many people on here are insisting so strongly that the number of people involved in discovering something like electromagnetism is so small. Multiple posts act as if people could be counted on one hand of revolutionaries, explicitly stating they were the types to create things in a vacuum without the help of others.

      Yet Maxwell is a perfect example of this. While his contributions are significant, the equations famously attributed to him are mostly the work of Gauss, Faraday, and Ampere. He found a missing term in Faraday's work that was important, but still his work depends heavily on those before him, and much of their work depends on experiments and preceding work, etc. Maxwell also didn't fully realize the implication of these equations, and it took the work of many that followed to see this and figure out how to make it apply to actual inventions (hell, the original version of Maxwell's equations were much messier and harder to work with due to quaternion notation instead of modern vector notation that makes it much more compact).

    6. Re:Yes, it's *giants* all the way down. by ProudParanoid · · Score: 1

      Maxwell also didn't fully realize the implication of these equations

      Perhaps because he died at age 48. Which kind of makes what he was able to do in his 48 years all the more remarkable.

    7. Re:Yes, it's *giants* all the way down. by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      But in physics, newton is mentioned prominently and in many classes. Physics 1, modern physics ((quantum & relativity), mechanics and even occasionally in thermo dynamics and e&m. There are many people who made as big or bigger contribution to science than tesla, he just has a weird cult around him fo some reason.

    8. Re:Yes, it's *giants* all the way down. by elgatozorbas · · Score: 1

      there isn't such a thing as a "revolution" and "geniuses" in science.

      There may be no geniuses, but there certainly are revolutions in scientific advancement, typically called "paradigm shifts"

      There was a time people believed combustion was "phlogiston" exiting the material; blood was generated and consumed in the body (not circulated); the Sun revolved around the Earth; mice could be "created" by leaving some food and rags alone in a bucket in a barn for a few days, while fly maggots were "generated" in meat. Around Maxwell`s days it was believed aether was needed for the propagation of electromagnetic waves and the age of the Earth was under estimated because the radio active processes preventing a more rapid cooling down were unknown.

      All of these ideas were eventually discarded through a process that was not incremental, but revolutionary.

      Yes, revolution exists in science!

    9. Re:Yes, it's *giants* all the way down. by michael_wojcik · · Score: 1

      there certainly are revolutions in scientific advancement, typically called "paradigm shifts"

      Kuhn's version of the history of science is popular, but it's far from universally accepted. Contrast, say, Paul Thagard's, or Paul Feyerabend's, or David Stove's.

      While scientific thought, in its modern Western conception,[1] has certainly gone through any number of revisions, some of them dramatic,[2] the paradigm-shift model is not "certainly" an adequate or accurate description of those changes. Maybe it's a pretty good one; some people argue it's the best we have. But it's not a settled matter.

      [1] So qualified because talking about the history of "scientific thought" in general is hopelessly vague. It is, of course, possible to discuss scientific methodology as a putatively culturally-neutral realm, but in discussions of how a particular body of thought has developed, it's unproductive to pretend that's not historically and culturally specific.

      [2] There are any number of popular examples: Darwin-Wallace evolution, special and general relativity, the Copenhagen interpretation, dismissal of luminiferous ether, and so on.

  9. Science is a Lego Tower by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A group of kids at school are building a tower out of legos. A new kid walks up and snaps a the final block into place and all the parents say "What a beautiful tower you've built!", hoist the kid on their shoulders, parade him around while cheering, and finally shower him with candy.
    The other kids just sit there silently with a glum look on their faces. One of the parents says "what about them? I think we have a few pieces of unwanted candy we can toss their way".

    1. Re: Science is a Lego Tower by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Meanwhile the guy who sells Lego blocks can afford to make another payment on his mortgage.

  10. Everyone Forgets James Clerk Maxwell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Einstein described Maxwell's work as the "most profound and the most fruitful that physics has experienced since the time of Newton"

    1. Re:Everyone Forgets James Clerk Maxwell by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      Ether seemed a good model at the time and it did explain enough of the world that you could build useful conclusions when assuming it, despite it being fundamentally wrong. We may well be seeing the same thing with string theory today.

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  11. Bah. My phone is based on electroweak theory! by Cyberax · · Score: 1

    Electromagnetism is just a corner case of electroweak theory. Take that, Maxwell!

    1. Re:Bah. My phone is based on electroweak theory! by jiriw · · Score: 2

      Ehm, no. It doesn't matter in this case, Electromagnetism is enclosed by Electroweak theory. You don't need electroweak theory to build a smart phone unless you want it to run on fission decay batteries. You do need the electromagnetism part, though. For the theories behind how the various radios that are built into a smart phone, communicate wirelessly, at least.
      Also, you need Quantum Mechanics for things like Transistors (Semiconductor theories) and GPS navigation (atomic clocks -> Photovoltaic effect). I'd rather they had mentioned that one... Miniaturization of electronics is fine, but you need discrete components acting as electronic switches that can be miniaturized well in the first place. Tubes and relays don't cut it (or we would be living in the 'Fallout' universe).

    2. Re:Bah. My phone is based on electroweak theory! by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      You don't need to know electromagnetism theory to build a radio, or smartphone either. Just some basic observations on how electronic work, resistors, capacitors, inductors. it can be done empirically. In college, we were designing and building radios freshman and sophomore year, but didn't study e&m (Maxwell) until junior year.

  12. Radio waves by gordguide · · Score: 1

    Most of them don't even know that they are a form of two-way radio. They think "cell" means some magic new "digital" technology, not the same waves that carried the Ed Sullivan show to their grandparent's homes via the rabbit-eared B&W TV on Sunday nights.

    1. Re:Radio waves by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      My grandmother worried about electricity leaking from light sockets, you know.

      A good thing she worried about that. Probably prevented her from washing sockets with a wet rag, or washing (lit) lamps in the sink. Be careful with what you don't understand.

  13. What about Capitalism? by chewie2010 · · Score: 1

    No mention of free markets? Iterative science is great, it is usually funded by non-geeks pursuing profitable business and products. And, uhh, hate to say it but most nerd frustrations come from a lack of a normal sexual progression, not "zombies on the streets" who dont know how a PCB works.

    1. Re: What about Capitalism? by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      By "normal sexual progression" you mean the way dogs and bitches get together to produce puppies, correct?

    2. Re: What about Capitalism? by chewie2010 · · Score: 1

      yes, birds do it, bees do it, geeks are bitter about not doing it.

  14. Enablers shift expectations by Laxator2 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I stopped reading when I saw: "Now that the world has become addicted to portable electronics ..."

    Not one of these authors mention the fact that many people will gladly do without portable electronics, but they have not choice but to use them.
    The fact that mobile phones are affordable, almost all populated areas have coverage and they enable people to get in touch at any moment, brings the _expectation_ that everyone has a cell phone with then and can be contacted at any moment.

    Let's say you live in a large city and you tell your boss "I will check with you when I get to a public phone".
    Will your boss tell you "OK, check with me when you get to a public phone", or "Get a cell phone" ?

    1. Re:Enablers shift expectations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I am no more addicted to phone than to clothes.

    2. Re:Enablers shift expectations by Laxator2 · · Score: 1

      You just have to sample a large enough number of environments (please note, environments, not people) and you may find out that "some" != "few" either. In large cities you are very likely to find people on their phones most of the time, but large cities are not all there is.

      As for cars, when I lived in a small town in North America I had to buy a car. I was too restricted without one. When I lived in a large European city with good public transportation I did not drive a car in more than 10 years. Cars are enablers (allow you to get quickly from one place to another), but in some places there are alternative enablers, like public transportation. I am expected to use one or the other, so I cannot tell the boss that I will walk to work.

      If you don't like the phone example take the example of a trans-Atlantic trip. Will your boss agree for you to spend 5 days one way by ship, and another 5 days on the way back or will she/he tell you to get on a plane ?

      The enabler (plane) has shifted the expectation (the length of the trip reduced from 5 days to 8 hours one way)

    3. Re:Enablers shift expectations by squiggleslash · · Score: 2

      Cellphones, yeah, but we're still at the stage that smartphones - which is what the article is about (nobody ever walked the streets looking down at their Motorola RAZR) - are still optional. I lived for over a year without one, just using a flip, and nobody at work noticed.

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    4. Re:Enablers shift expectations by Scarred+Intellect · · Score: 1

      ...the _expectation_ that everyone has a cell phone with then and can be contacted at any moment.

      Let's say you live in a large city and you tell your boss "I will check with you when I get to a public phone". Will your boss tell you "OK, check with me when you get to a public phone", or "Get a cell phone" ?

      Anecdotal, but I find that I actually garner _more_ respect when I tell people that I won't likely answer their call later, because I don't keep my phone with me. I get home, take my phone out of my pocket, and put it on my desk in my den. Often, I even forget to turn the ringer back on. I'm not easy to get hold of but I will always return a call. I just don't know when.

    5. Re:Enablers shift expectations by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      None of the people in this discussion have mentioned the real evil destroying our world.

      Books. Newspapers. Written language. When Gutenberg's press came into existence, there was a Swedish psychologist warning everyone that we'd all experience information overload, social withdrawal, and all manner of ills becoming addicted to the vast mountains of text sent our way. The family is destroyed as the father now reads the paper at breakfast instead of interacting with his household, and the children read their books instead of playing with other children.

      When will we destroy this great tool of Satan which has corrupted the hearts of good men?

    6. Re: Enablers shift expectations by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Possibly I will choose employment at a job where I don't need to communicate with a 'boss' when I am not at work.

    7. Re:Enablers shift expectations by barbariccow · · Score: 1

      I still have a flip. And everybody at work notices, when I pull out my phone to actually make a call or text (and can do both without even looking at it.) Some are amazed that with a career in computers I don't want to be constantly connected/enslaved to a small-screen computer, and actually want to look up or at trees, or have conversations with friends using my mouth. I'm amazed that they DO want to ignore the world and exist only in their small, digital, impersonal realm. (BTW, Yes I know there's a computer in the flip phone, I'm not using the term in that way).

  15. Re:ITT: What about my guy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "There is no such thing as a genius."

    You've obviously never met one then. Yes, sorry, there are people smarter than you. Get over it.

  16. Re:well.. not exactly and how you can rat out bull by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    the thorium car from a while back for example: who fucking cares if it can run a car forever when, if they had a working model for the power source, they would be using it on a car as the last thing on earth making the whole design and articles about it utterly stupid. Having the power generating unit would change the whole world and the cars would be the last thing to change, so why try to sell the idea as a car engine as the first thing?

    What if you discovered you could make free phone calls with a toy whistle you found in a cereal box, but you only ever used it to dial a joke?

  17. Maxwell is admired by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 5, Insightful
    It is very common to see T-shirts and mugs like these images saying And God said, {maxwell's equations in vector calculus notations}, and there was light.

    Father of computational electromagnetics Zoltan Cendes, named his flagship product Maxwell(tm). He is the one figured out how to remove the null space of the curl vector from the computational solutions. Before that naively applying finite element formulation to Maxwell's equations yielded garbage. His edge-vector finite element formulation is the gold standard in getting computational EM results.

    This brings up what Linus said recently. One would think Maxwell's equation was all "innovation". But remember, Maxwell did not work in the vector calculus! He was working in analytical geometry, Cartesian coordinate system. Laboriously wrote out the expanded forms of the gradient operator and worked through the equivalent of the cross product explicitly term by goddammed term. I see Computational EM developers struggling to keep up with the math even with the use of Matlab and Mathematica software packages handling symbolic algebra. That he did it all in analytical geometry, for the first time, without knowing all the gibberish he was writing down will eventually lead to a breakthrough....

    Is it possible other great mathematicians of his day had this idea? Probably. Some might have even pointed the direction to Maxwell himself. But, in the end, trudging through all that algebra and coordinate geometry in the long form laboriously is what made that breakthrough possible. Yes, innovation is needed as the spark. But, blood, sweat and toil contribute a lot more to success.

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    1. Re:Maxwell is admired by rfengr · · Score: 1

      To bad Ansoft went to shit.

    2. Re:Maxwell is admired by ProudParanoid · · Score: 1

      Maxwell did not work in the vector calculus!

      Well, even more incredibly, he worked in both.

    3. Re:Maxwell is admired by elgatozorbas · · Score: 2

      Very true. The vector thing was the brain child of Oliver Heaviside. As much as I appreciate Maxwell, it is sad to see that Heaviside, one of the few people that understood Maxwell`s work, and the one who gave the equations their current, familiar form -while on the fly inventing vector calculus- is virtually unknown, even on /.

    4. Re:Maxwell is admired by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 2

      Some parts of the ionosphere is named after him, The Heaviside Layer. But even there this Kennelly guy is muscling in to share the name. Poor guy, does not get a break.

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  18. Basically there are no public phones in the USA by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 1

    Let's say you live in a large city and you tell your boss "I will check with you when I get to a public phone". Will your boss tell you "OK, check with me when you get to a public phone", or "Get a cell phone" ?

    You couldn't get away with that in the USA. Public phones, or pay phones, are dead. Almost none exist any more. They are so rare that I've been known to take photos of them in amazement just to show people that a few of them actually do still exist.

  19. Re:Like nearly all tech companies by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

    uber

  20. Right by ememisya · · Score: 1

    I don't think anybody here thought Steve Jobs invented the electricity. Hopefully.

    1. Re: Right by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Steve Jobs invented "parking in the handicap spot because you are the boss." Sadly, he is never given the proper credit for what he really invented.

  21. Re:TechBros are the worst Consumers by squiggleslash · · Score: 2

    A fairly reasonable "decide that amount" is "you can have as much freedom as you want, as long as you don't deprive other people of the same freedom." That's been a legitimate social consensus for a very long time.

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  22. Version 2.? by MrKaos · · Score: 1

    It seems to me it's always Version 2.? of a product that has the longest service life and is the most reliable, sometimes with hidden advanced features. Possibly because version 1 is just out of prototype and version 3 is starting to have engineered redundancy.

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  23. Re:well.. not exactly and how you can rat out bull by SharpFang · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And here you both argue the chicken and the egg problem, and you both are wrong.

    Hardware and software go hand in hand. One pushes the other as much as the other pushes the first.

    Turing did a lot of computer science and information theory developments that were ahead of his time, because there was no hardware capable of implementing them.

    Fleming, developing the first vacuum tube diode, had no idea it would be later used to perform computations.

    That was in the pioneering times. Currently, it's a constant push. Faster processors, to run available software faster. More elaborate software, making use of the new capabilities provided by the new processors. And again, faster processors to enable that software to run faster.

    ID software pushed the CPU to its limits with Doom and Quake. Then 3dfx Voodoo was released, to offload the processor, and allow even more elaborate games. More advanced games pushed more advanced GPUs... and then protein folding happened. Computations that could take decades, finished within weeks, thanks to special purpose processors invented for gaming.

    This is a joint progress, happening on too many fronts simultaneously, too many advances both contributing and demanding more advances, that trying to discretize it and say 'this before this' is silly.

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  24. Re: well.. not exactly and how you can rat out bul by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

    Screw 3DFX. Motorola came out with the 6845 to offload video from the processor and boost video performance.

  25. Fifth-order technology by dpilot · · Score: 1

    What, you're talking about fifth-order technology with no nods to Richard Seaton and Martin Crane? I think I'll just leave it at that, and see how old this makes me.

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  26. I would add two more fundamental concepts: by blind+biker · · Score: 1

    - Quantum theory (which lead to modern semiconductor technology, and perhaps superconductors and superconductor-based switches and electronics in the future)
    and
    - The concept of a programmable machine - the computer, as a unit formed by hardware and software.

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  27. Heaviside by rfengr · · Score: 1

    Ought to have mentioned Heaviside, as Maxwells four equations in differential form are a product of Heaviside. He is also responsible for coaxial cable, the Laplace transform, and many other things. Heaviside made Maxwells equations practical.

  28. Re:I have a T-shirt with Maxwell's equations on it by rfengr · · Score: 1

    I actually did have someone recognize my Maxwells equations shirt, in an airport. To be fair though, I was coming back from the IEEE IMS, so thousands of RF engineers in one area.

  29. Re:Basic stuff by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

    I said competent :) Honestly, I wouldn't know nearly as much or have been as useful, but I could have done 90% of my engineering work straight out of high school

  30. Re:Dumb on their best day by Godwin+O'Hitler · · Score: 1

    No no no, that was Mike Rowsoft.

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  31. Spoken Like a Physicist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Really, why is it necessary to rain on the parade of tech innovators, even if indirectly, in order to complement Maxwell?

    It seems that to a Physicist, "there are 4 fundamental forces and all else that follows is mere detail". Which again, reminds me of the pointless and chest bumping arguments as to which science is "best", Physics, Biology, or Chemistry.

    Maxwell is great. He did not, however, manage to change mass culture. These are different spheres of greatness, requiring different tools, different innovations, and different skillsets. The tech ecosystem which created and sustains smartphones is therefore rather more than "... only [...] a few fancy upper floors..."

    If that's all that microprocessors, cellular networks, software design and development, and a reasonable revenue model were, then Maxwell would have accomplished this on his coffee break on Friday after a long week sweating over Electromagnetic Theory. He didn't, nor did any of his contemporaries and that should tell you something.

    The fact that Vaclav Smil also didn't accomplish any of this but manages to dismiss these accomplishments also tells me something.

  32. Origins by Residentcur · · Score: 1

    There's a similar story to tell on the software side, of course. The principles underlying the operating environment go back to the mid sixties or earlier, and the user interface concepts were developed (on much larger and much slower systems) primarily in the early to mid seventies. Some of these things have been re-invented, and there are admittedly many innovations in modern systems, but other concepts and techniques are directly traceable to artifacts created in industrial and university research laboratories decades ago.

  33. Re:What about Kepler by barbariccow · · Score: 1

    I find if I make such a mistake, it's usually because I'm typing the phonetics, as I would speak it in conversation, and not focusing on writing. But maybe you're not so personable...

  34. I still got my Voodoo 3 3500 w TV In/Out by Dareth · · Score: 1

    I still got my Voodoo 3 3500 w TV In/Out. I also have my previous video card, a 4 MB S3 Virge! Dungeon Keeper never looked so good!

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  35. Aristotle? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Surely, without Aristotle's work, Boole would not have been able to produce his work.

    1. Re:Aristotle? by michael_wojcik · · Score: 1

      Surely, without Thales' work, Aristotle blah blah & cetera.

      There's plenty of room in the past.

      (And we can regress down other lines too. We wouldn't have miniaturization without the various techniques for precise machining, or without quality steel. We wouldn't have semiconductors, integrated circuits, or high-capacity batteries without the work of all those chemists who isolated elements and explored their properties. We wouldn't have cheap commodity computers without video games.)

  36. Re:It's Math but how by gl4ss · · Score: 1

    affordable smartphones had been around for years before apple made a smartphone.

    furthermore, it never was even a market leader in quantities.
    what was needed for the apple version, inventionwise, was nothing.

    entirely evolutionary.

    what was necessary from apples side was screen costs to go down enough and component costs to go down enough so they could sell you a 200 dollar device for 1200 dollars on a contract. that was the real magic of the first generation iPhone - selling a smartphone that lacked actual natively running apps, that had a lackluster resolution screen even for the time, for about 1200 dollars unsubsidized(yes thats how much a launch iPhone cost the people making 2 year contracts at the time).

    a long rant about the american/global phones market at the time and how reading forbes ruins your global market leader company:

    the american phone market was always twisted, especially in smartphone category - as for years yanks had been buying smartphones(palm treos, windows mobiles. blackberries) with price tags north of 1000$ without knowing that they were that expensive due to the network contracts hiding the costs of the devices(incidentally smartphone adoption in usa was low due to high costs of data plans and still is). rest of the world was dominated by symbian/nokia which provided smartphones with multitasking, web, etc. with phones in the 100 to 600 dollar price range.

    you know what started the fall of Nokia really? it wasn't iPhone directly - it was iPhone being featured again and again on american magazines which made the board of Nokia think that they had lost the race and decided to aggressively "focus" on the american market - at this point symbian smartphone sales were still growing. as part of that strategy they decided to hire an american CEO, that american CEO then thought that symbian didn't matter and made a public speech declaring it dead at THE SAME TIME THE YEARLY SHIPMENTS WERE AT AN ALL TIME HIGH. the shipments had not even started to decline before the ceo publicly announced to not buy them anymore. the very same month they were at an all time high - moar money than ever from smartphone shipments for them! so why did he do it?

    the board believed forbes more than they believed their own numbers of what people were actually buying globally. Nokia had put huge amounts of developer resources to pleasing american operators for no practical reason at all - as if at&t would have known what the phone needed to have in order to sell(they didn't know). hiring elop came during this focus on american market and american operators, because the light heads in the board thought that the american market was important for them(it wasn't, really).

    thats such a huge amounts of fail that it's almost impossible to comprehend and bordering on sabotage, unless you look at the mindset at the people in charge: they were reading american business magazines and believing what was being written in them so they burnt about 20 billion dollars worth of company to ground and put a global brand leader name into an icebox for years.

    iPhone as a device was more of a disaster for blackberry as blackberry was also a 1000 dollar device manufacturer that sold on the same markets to the same people, those markets being markets where people bought the phones along with the contract subsidized so that they never knew the real price of the device vs. service.

    the biggest trick with the launch of the iPhone was selling it such a high price successfully - that was jobs magic with it.

    the biggest trick with getting developers on board iPhone was deceptively simple: offer them a decent cut of the sales of the apps and ask _only_ 100 bucks to be a developer. simple.

    but wait, for nokia you could develop and publish for free! well, kind of. if you wanted the app to be sold on operator sales channels and the like, you paid up your arse for it. if you wanted to use any of the more interesting api's you paid 700 bucks for signing - per update. if you

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  37. Re:TechBros are the worst Consumers by dgatwood · · Score: 1

    The challenge, of course, is defining what "deprive others of that freedom" means. Does it mean you can't deprive other people of the freedom to have the source code to your work that extends the original work, or does it mean you can't deprive other people of the freedom to make private extensions to the original work? That's fundamentally the difference between the GPL and BSD licensees is what other group of people you want to deprive of freedom.

    Arguably, the BSD license is more free because the existence of a private fork doesn't deprive anyone of anything; the original work is still freely available. But on the other hand, you could argue that some of those changes merely fix bugs, and thus are not rightfully new works, and should be available to anyone who has the original software. It's a fine line, and there's no absolute right answer.

    The reason the public mocks nerds, of course, is that they argue vociferously over which license is correct, which takes time away from actually making the technology better, and is often seen as a waste of everyone's time. On the other hand, without those arguments (which expand the community's understanding of the licenses and their eccentricities), there's a possibility of critical projects choosing a license that is inappropriate and ending up stuck with it to the detriment of everyone.

    For example, the FSF's decision to relicense GCC under GPLv3 created stagnation in its largest user base (the Mac community), with OS X users stuck at a much older version for years, until eventually Apple worked with the LLVM team to replace it with Clang. To be fair, in the end, everybody benefitted from a more modular compiler architecture that could better be integrated into things like IDEs, so the resulting platform is more capable than GCC ever was (or ever will be, in all likelihood), but the bad licensing decision meant that the teams couldn't take advantage of each other's work, which no doubt made that transition take much longer than it otherwise would have and resulted in a lot of duplication of work, ultimately culminating in GCC becoming an evolutionary dead end that's still a giant time sink to maintain (and that, no doubt, will continue to be maintained for many years, for no real reason other than because it exists and has to work).

    So in spite of the public's belief that this is all a bunch of silly squabbles like Star Wars versus Star Trek, the reality is that there are real-world implications of these arguments, making them at least somewhat valuable (up to a point, anyway).

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  38. Devil's advocate by DrYak · · Score: 1

    Playing the devil's advocate

    There was a time people believed combustion was "phlogiston" exiting the material;

    Which isn't entirely wrong. It's just the same usual equations but with an arbitrary minus sign in front of the oxygen.

    (Just as you could mathematically describe orbits with a complex bunch of circles, but using ellipses makes it way much simpler for everyone).

    blood was generated and consumed in the body (not circulated);

    (medieval dark-age medecine hardly qualifies as a science. more of a superstition.
    christian middle-age somewhat focused on a very small subset of the knowledge (mainly Aristotle) available in antiquity that happen to play nicer with their religious believes.)

    (Real notion of blood circulation can already be found in many other greek scientist and as far back as egyptian antiquity.
    Middle age just settled on Aristotle body humors for an arbitrary reason)

    the Sun revolved around the Earth;

    and then Einstein came and declared that everything is relative and it's only a matter of referential.
    (You can pretty much put whatever you want in "your center", all relativist equation remain valid).

    All of these ideas were eventually discarded through a process that was not incremental, but revolutionary.

    and which yet still build-up on several other smaller past discoveries to arrive at the big conclusion:

    mice could be "created" by leaving some food and rags alone in a bucket in a barn for a few days, while fly maggots were "generated" in meat.

    the disproving of which requires both preliminary advances in chemistry (e.g.: Le Chatelier - matter can't just pop up into existence) and general understanding of evolution (e.g.: Darwin - mice must come from other mices or at least ancestrors close to modern mices) and in turn has interesting implication in germ theory (Pasteur - bacteria can't just pop into existence, exactly as mice can't neither) and for medecin (Koch and the identification of agents causing diseases).

    Around Maxwell`s days it was believed aether was needed for the propagation of electromagnetic waves

    And yet Maxell didn't competely invent electro magnetism out of the blue. (again, e.g.: Volta for a much older contributor) Even the word Electrictiy come from old Greek "electron" =amber, i.e.: the thing that you need to rub with cloth to generate static electricity.
    And in turn his models were perfected by Einstein, and then further into quantum physics (Heisenberg and co).

    and the age of the Earth was under estimated because the radio active processes preventing a more rapid cooling down were unknown.

    yet, some geologists did came to differing conclusion due to plate tectonics.
    And you needed the advance by the Curies couple to then be able to advance calculation of the Earth thermal cooling. And isotope dating too.

    Yup. Some steps are wider than others, but they still built upon all the knowledge that was accumulated up to this point and start as far back as when the first monkey-man lifted up his nose and started wondering about the stars in the sky instead of just thinking about where to get the next fruit.

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