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Can Streaming Companies Replace Hollywood Studios? (vanityfair.com)

"Movie-theater attendance is down to a 19-year low, with revenues hovering slightly above $10 billion," reports Vanity Fair, arguing that traditional studios should feel threatened by nimble streaming companies like Netflix and Amazon, which produced the film Manchester By The Sea -- nominated for six Oscars. An anonymous reader writes: Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos attended the Oscars, prompting host Jimmy Kimmel to joke that if the film won, "you can expect your Oscar to arrive in 2 to 5 business days, possibly stolen by a GrubHub delivery man." But it's a symbol of an inevitable disruption in Hollywood. "Studios now account for less than 10% of their parent companies' profits," writes Vanity Fair, adding "By 2020, according to some forecasts, that share will fall to around 5%... Some 70% of box office comes from abroad, which means that studios must traffic in the sort of blow-'em-up action films and comic-book thrillers that translate easily enough to Mandarin. Or in reboots and sequels that rely on existing intellectual property." Former Paramount CEO Barry Diller famously said "I don't know why anyone would want a movie company today. They don't make movies; they make hats and whistles."

The article makes the case that Hollywood, "in its over-reliance on franchises, has ceded the vast majority of the more stimulating content to premium networks and over-the-top services such as HBO and Showtime, and, increasingly, digital-native platforms such as Netflix and Amazon. These companies also have access to analytics tools that Hollywood could never fathom, and an allergy to its inefficiency."

The article argues that with A.I., CGI, big data and innovation, "Silicon Valley has already won," and that "it's only a matter of time -- perhaps a couple of years -- before movies will be streamed on social-media sites."

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  1. Yes, but it won't happen any time soon by s.petry · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hollywood could have been utilizing these services for at least a decade, and probably helped push the technology along. They would rather have people visit a theater since their profits can be higher and media tightly controlled.

    I don't go to movies, and haven't for about a decade. The mandatory 15 minutes of commercials, price for the film, hassle of parking, insane price for drinks and a snack all add up to a big "no thanks" from me. If they streamed I'd probably pay for a movie now and then, but as is I wait for it to be on TV.

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    1. Re:Yes, but it won't happen any time soon by amiga3D · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I can't believe what actors make for a picture. Millions of dollars for what often turns out to be a flop. Meryl Streep got paid 5 million for her role in Rick and the Flash which was a pretty mediocre film but managed to actually gross about 40 million against it's 20 million dollar budget. Meryl Streep was a quarter of that budget and by modern Hollywood standards that salary isn't all that outrageous. Actors in Hollywood's heyday worked a lot, lot harder and made a lot more movies than the elite Prima Donnas that grace the silver screen nowadays. Mega millions for films that are mega flops. They think streaming is the reason they're losing revenue? I'm sure it isn't helping but a lot of the stuff on TV today is better than the average studio movie. They're losing money because they suck.

  2. Lets See by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Picture, better at home
    Sound, better at home
    Food, better at home
    Seating, better at home
    Rest of Audience behavior, more controllable at home

    Other than a lock on new releases the theatres have nothing. Producers would make more money with a secure direct to home pay per view service.

    1. Re:Lets See by amiga3D · · Score: 2

      You're kidding I know. The only valid comment was the one about audience behavior. Well, food maybe although I like theater popcorn. I go to the theater strictly to see blockbuster movies on a giant screen and with immersive sound. It's an expensive treat but some movies just Must be seen on the big screen.

    2. Re:Lets See by whoever57 · · Score: 2

      I go to the theater strictly to see blockbuster movies on a giant screen and with immersive sound. It's an expensive treat but some movies just Must be seen on the big screen.

      You just don't have a good enough A/V system at your house.

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    3. Re:Lets See by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 2

      You're right, I don't. It's not really worth spending the money for it when I can go to the theater. Considering I might go to 4 movies or so a year, so it'd probably be at least 5 years before it paid for itself.

      I'm with the GP on this one. I'll go see the big blockbuster on the big screen. No complaint. But I'm not going to spend $25 to go watch a cute rom-com on the big screen. I don't really gain anything from seeing it in the theater versus watching it on the TV or on my iPad.

    4. Re: Lets See by Harald+Paulsen · · Score: 3, Funny

      Did you hear that "whoosh" sound?

      not without a proper A/V system

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    5. Re:Lets See by bad-badtz-maru · · Score: 2

      The secret to theater popcorn at home is a kettle popper (even the cheap $40 one by Nostalgia Electronics) and 4oz Pop Weaver "Naks Paks". This crap called "Flavacol" seasoning is the main reason theatre popcorn tastes so good. The weaver packs have the popcorn, oil, and seasoning all ready to go. You can get them on ebay in lots of 6 (versus buying the whole case).

  3. "inevitable disruption" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Like i.e. Netflix, that wanted to be a disruptor, and then went ahead and did the exact same fucked up international licensing, "sorry, even our own shows are unavailable in $yourcountry, 'cause we prefer money and licensed it to $local-media-mafia"...

    1. Re:"inevitable disruption" by NotInHere · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The local media corporations know this and have pressured netflix to ban VPN ip addresses. The stated goal for netflix is to offer their own portfolio globally unified, but maybe they'll drop that lie some time in the future. I mean its easy to say they were forced by the evil evil copyright holders to make VPN bans and DRM requirements, but suprisingly for their own "netflix original" media those same restrictions apply...

  4. Yes, Netflix will by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Hollywood has become far too much a churn factory. Producing the same content endlessly...

    Netflix has really grabbed the reigns at producing a wide variety of content. Yes Netflix has Marvel stuff too, but even that is better than what Hollywood produces!

    The other reason Netflix will dominate is they are not afraid to make content available worldwide regardless of what audience it was produced for. The Netflix show 3% was targeted at the Brazilian audience but I really enjoyed the story and actors. No studio would have produced something like that and showed it in the U.S., at best they would have done a crappy American focused remake that watered down the point dramatically.

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    1. Re:Yes, Netflix will by tlhIngan · · Score: 2

      I think an advantage for Netflix is their ability to produce niche content.

      Studios have to aim for a broader appeal for any given film since they can produce and distribute fewer titles which usually have a higher budget and thus greater risk, and to hedge against risk they have gotten in the habit of re-doing what was popular before with the idea that it will be popular again. So they make a picture that's only of average quality to an average audience.

      By aiming at niche audiences, Netflix makes content that may have a smaller audience but provides better than average satisfaction to the audience. I think I've heard more people talk about Stranger Things than any of the Oscar nominated films or most of movies released this year period.

      I'd also wager that a 10 episode Netflix serial, even at near-movie quality production values, has some economies of scale and has a cost per running hour that is less than a Hollywood film, providing more content at aggregate cost. The difference between a 10 hour series and a 2 hour movie is often more expository scenes that make more efficient use of the cast and crew since you're getting more mileage out of costumes, settings and locations.

      Netflix only has to produce content that cater to one demographic - their subscribers. They are basically a huge analytics company, constantly analyzing what their subscribers are doing with the service - what kind of programming they watch - movies, original netflix, tv, etc. They use all the Buzzword Compliant analysis to distill what their audience likes.

      From this they can figure out what they subscribers like, what they're going to like, and who they want to attract next to their service.

      So Netflix' programming reflects their subscriber base - they need programming to keep their existing subscribers, and programming that attracts new subscribers.

      Netflix is also producing TV-style programming, which is different from Hollywood movies. The economics are different, the production values are different, etc. A TV-style episode is generally produced over a few weeks (pipelined - everyone gets about 8 days - conceptualization to writing a script, set preparation, filming, and post-production), while a movie is generally over two years - from writers taking a treatment or proto-script and completing it (several months), while site discovery and preparation happen, then set production, then filming (3-6 months), and post-production and audio work.

  5. Apples and Oranges by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It seems 2 different things to me. The content producers and the content distributors are different groups with different specialties. The top producers and physical studios can rent themselves out to Netflix if the deal is right, for example. Neither is stapled to each other.

    The fact that Netflix and Amazon have produced a hit or two doesn't mean they will take over most content production. If they find a nice niche, competitors will copy that niche.

    1. Re:Apples and Oranges by Required+Snark · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Actually, no. You are confusing film production with a termite colony. It's not a bunch of workers spontaneously organizing and somehow making a complex structure. If your assertion worked then it would also be possible for a bunch of construction workers to just gather at a proposed building site and make a skyscraper. No one would ever suggest that could happen, but somehow there is a misconception that film making is not the equivalent of any other large scale industrial activity.

      Film production succeeds or fails on organization. Long before a single stagehand, visual effects person, costume designer, art director, etc, etc is hired, there are accounts, lawyers and producers laying the groundwork. Everything has a schedule and a budget and a org-chart for top layer of administration. That's why films can change directors, starts and scripts. The organization that supports all these roles is already running.

      You are also confusing distrabution with production. The economic model of production and distribution has changed a lot over the last hundred years or so. Until the late 1940's the studios were vertical monopolies. The studios made the films and owned the movie theaters. If you went to see a Warner or a Fox Studio film you had to go to a Warner or Fox owned movie theater. These monopolies were broken by the Department of Justice, which is why movie theater chains show films by any studio.

      There have been continuous change since the 1950's, because of broadcast television and the growth (and now death) of suburban malls. Multiplex theaters, wide screen 70mm film, THX/Dolby sound, and 3D are all a part of the change.

      Silicon Valley produces no content. Period. They don't make video games or TV or film. They may hire others to do these kind of things, but they are not the authors. When Amazon or Netflicks has original content, they are mostly taking over the function of finance and distribution which have historically been infrastructure supplied by the studios. All the rest is done by the existing film and TV production organizations. Silicon Valley is just another finance and distribution venue that supports the existing industry. In some ways it's like non-US production houses who employ Hollywood to make products intended for a non-US market. Hollywood remains Hollywood through all of this.

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  6. Re:Pirating is replacing theaters by Ritz_Just_Ritz · · Score: 2

    Pirating is a drop in the bucket. I'd bet that most people would be perfectly happy to pay for Movie X if they could watch it at their leisure and not have to spend $20-30 for the privilege when all is said and done.

    Sooner or later the prices will find their way to what people are willing to pay or the traditional methods of consuming them will dry up and be replaced by video on demand and streaming. I haven't gone to a theater to see a movie in years. That doesn't mean I stopped watching "immersive" content. I simply ponied up for a high end home theater system and watch content that I want WHEN I want at a price that I'm willing to pay.

  7. Re: Never trust prognosticating... by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 2

    Possibly there were a few places in history, like Shanghai for a half decade or so, where a business would have used an abacus and the telegraph concurrently. It would be a historical abberation, however.

  8. Got a suggestion... by bferrell · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Follow the money.

    Many, many moons ago studios owned the theaters and there were enforced anti-trust actions. A few years back I started wondering who owned what and found something interesting. Large amusement companies own the theater chains. They also hold large stakes in the studios and many production companies.

    Ya know how we sometimes stories about how a musical group get's a million dollar contract for 2 albums and all the production costs are billed by the record company against the contract... And all the companies and services being paid are subsidiaries of the record company?

    It seems to work the same way in movies. Except they got smart enough to not do it directly and the big amusement companies collect at every step of the way.