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FCC Chairman Says His Agency Won't Review AT&T's Time Warner Purchase (engadget.com)

Today, FCC commissioner Ajit Pai confirmed that his agency would not review AT&T's Time Warner purchase, clearing the way for the Justice Department to likely approve the deal. Engadget reports: Last month, AT&T revealed how it might structure its deal to acquire Time Warner without having to go through FCC review. The communications giant noted that it "anticipated that Time Warner will not need to transfer any of its FCC licenses ... after the closing of the transaction." That means that the FCC wouldn't need to review the transaction. "That is the regulatory hook for FCC review," Pai said in an interview with The Wall Street Journal. "My understanding is that the deal won't be presented to the commission." The WSJ notes that this would leave the Justice Department as the only governmental agency reviewing the potential deal. Time Warner has said that it has "dozens" of FCC licenses, but the company believes those won't need to be transferred to AT&T as part of the merger, thus keeping the FCC out of the deal. The report notes that the deal still might not go through even if the FCC won't review the transaction. There's a lot of opposition to it from consumer advocacy groups, and President Donald Trump has said he opposes the deal.

104 comments

  1. Really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Back to the days of monopolies and kings queens and peasants. ISPs are utilities and should be regulated as such

    1. Re:Really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Back? We are already there, this is just two smaller monopolies becoming one larger monopoly.

      Sure there is "some" competition out there, lets not act as though we had something awesome before now when we did not have much of anything.

    2. Re:Really by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      ISPs are utilities and should be regulated as such

      The difference is that utilities are typically a monopoly and ISPs are not. Yes, we should certainly add more regulation to someone who wants to run an ISP so that it is even harder for competition to exist, not.

    3. Re:Really by NoNonAlphaCharsHere · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Serfdom is the natural state of the 99%. The "middle class" of the 40s to the 90s was an aberration. Think of this as a "return to normalcy".

    4. Re:Really by AK+Marc · · Score: 5, Informative

      ISPs are generally monopolies. Everywhere I've lived in the US, there has been only one company owning copper to an address, and only one company who could legally provide coax to an address. Yes, 10 miles apart, it may be a different company, but at a single address, there was never competition for the copper line, and never competition for the coax line.

      Where do you live where you can get cable Internet at a single address from multiple companies? Where do you live where you can get a copper line owned by two different companies (and no, I'm not talking CLECs where 10,000 companies can buy the copper line, or DSL service from AT&T, but where you can get two copper lines owned by two separate companies)?

      Nowhere in the US I've ever seen. Zero competition (often enforced by law) is a monopoly. Even if it's a micro monopoly by zip code, or a duopoly if you consider copper and coax to be the same thing. Though, there is a spread of fiber, and the last address I looked at in rural NYS had the option of fiber from 3 companies (some at $1000+ a month, but available at the address none the less). But most of the US doesn't have those options.

    5. Re:Really by fnj · · Score: 0

      this is just two smaller monopolies becoming one larger monopoly.

      You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

    6. Re:Really by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1, Insightful

      when the whole system is owned by R's, this is what you get.

      we all knew this. but the rednecks just didn't care.

      STIGGINIT!

      (sigh....)

      what a long fucking 4 years this is gonna be. damn!

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    7. Re:Really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      Monopoly of location, not by type of business. If you're the only taxi company allowed to operate in NYC then you have an monopoly in that area even though there are thousands of taxi companies throughout the nation.

    8. Re:Really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >ISPs are generally monopolies.
      In the US. Not generally.

    9. Re:Really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      > Where do you live where you can get cable Internet at a single address from multiple companies?

      Some boston suburbs (but not boston proper).
      You can get verizon fios/fios-tv, Comcast ISP and TV, and RCN ISP and TV all at the same address.

      Source: I use to live there. Now I live in chattanooga where I get EPB gigabit fiber for cheaper than any of the choices I had available in Arlington.

    10. Re:Really by uvajed_ekil · · Score: 1

      Back to the days of monopolies and kings queens and peasants. ISPs are utilities and should be regulated as such

      I agree 100%, both with your vision of the future and that we need our government to be on our side. But I feel I should point out that this particular case isn't really about ISPs directly, since Time Warner Cable was already bought by Charter and is now being marketed as Spectrum, while AT&T (also an ISP, of course) is buying Time Warner's other business, which include TV networks and a lot of content. I know a lot of folks understand this, but many surely aren't as up to speed.

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    11. Re: Really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Four years, you think? If it's as wearing on Trump as it is on the rest of us, I give it 6 months. A man cannot spend his life on a rollercoaster.

    12. Re:Really by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      So a coax monopoly, a copper monopoly and a fiber monopoly. All operating in the same area, but monopolies nonetheless.

    13. Re:Really by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Pick a location. Name two companies you can buy a pots line from for DSL. Almost everywhere in the US, there is only a single POTS line provider. That some resell the line to an ISP doesn't change the monopoly status of the line.

    14. Re:Really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      False
      They all have various kinds of fiber.
      FTTH, FTTC, FTTN

      But when has being utterly ignorant of a topic ever stopped you from pontificating as if your fantasies were important?

    15. Re:Really by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      Forgive me, but I'm not understanding this. Are you saying that competition does not exist if three companies offer broadband Internet, just because one uses FDDI or copper, one uses coax, and one uses point-to-point wireless?

      From a consumer point of view, what would make someone say "I can only have coax, I couldn't possibly use FDDI or P2P WiMAX that are also being offered to me, at similar bandwidths"?

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    16. Re:Really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Found the boot-licking traitor that believes he'll be given special treatment by his masters.

      We all know he'll be the first under the bus, the first to hang from the lamp post.

    17. Re:Really by Holi · · Score: 1

      Not phone, but most places I have been seem to have 2 choices for coax.

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    18. Re:Really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All existing governments are a monopoly. Since monopolies are bad, we should abolish all existing governments. We can replace them with a marketplace of non-geographically bounded governments, which people are free to subscribe to or unsubscribe from as they wish.

    19. Re:Really by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      ISPs are generally monopolies.

      Sorry, but no. When there is more than one of them, it's not a monopoly.

      Everywhere I've lived in the US, there has been only one company owning copper to an address, and only one company who could legally provide coax to an address.

      So that's two ISPs to start with, and since "ISP" is not synonymous with "copper" or "coax", there are actually many more. I can name four just in this small city without even trying. That's without considering the major backbone providers like Level 3. In fact, right where I am sitting, I currently personally deal with five different ISPs, and through work I access three more. Eight competing ISPs. How is that a monopoly in any way, shape, or form?

      Where do you live where you can get cable Internet at a single address from multiple companies?

      Non-sequitor. "Cable television" is an economic monopoly (defacto, not dejure) and that medium can be used to provide internet service, but is hardly the only ISP. The local telco is a monopoly and can provide ISP services, but is not the only ISP.

      Nowhere in the US I've ever seen. Zero competition (often enforced by law) is a monopoly.

      I've never been anyplace in the US where there is zero competition between ISPs. There is NO PLACE in the US where an ISP has a legal monopoly. Not a single one. "Enforced by law" is hyperbole.

      or a duopoly if you consider copper and coax to be the same thing.

      The topic is "ISP", not "distribution medium". You cannot be in the US without ISP competition. You're stuck on thinking that "Comcast" or "Telco" are the only two ISPs in any town, and that's just not "informative" in any way. "Two" isn't how "monopoly" is defined to start with, and when you count them all, "two" doesn't even begin to cover it. There are so many possible ISPs that trying to call any one of them a "monopoly" is just ridiculous.

    20. Re:Really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most of the US can get broadband via multiple satellite and cellular providers.

    21. Re:Really by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      The number of people with residential point to point wireless available rounds to zero.

      I'm saying that if you have two choices for a connection, the copper monopoly, or the coax monopoly, you live in a monopoly area. Most Americans are in that situation.

      Why not argue that 5 GB (per month) 3G competes with 1 Gbps (per second) unlimited FTTH?

    22. Re:Really by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      I've never lived in such an area, and I've noticed all the "not me" haven't given a single location where there is competition for the copper lines or competition for the coax.

    23. Re:Really by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      There is NO PLACE in the US where an ISP has a legal monopoly. Not a single one. "Enforced by law" is hyperbole.

      In most places only one company can run copper to an address, by law. And in most places, only one company can run coax into the house, by law.

      Prove one of those wrong, or you are a liar.

    24. Re:Really by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      I've noticed all the "not me" haven't given a single location where there is competition for the copper lines or competition for the coax.

      We've already told you why. Your demand is irrelevant to the actual topic, which is not "copper line provider", but ISP. The fact you cannot imagine any other ISP than what comes over a copper pair via DSL is your problem and does not a monopoly ISP make. Given that you also seem to recognize "coax provider" as another way to connect to a different ISP but can't fathom that it proves ISP is not a monopoly makes the discussion pointless.

    25. Re:Really by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Your demand is irrelevant to the actual topic, which is not "copper line provider", but ISP.

      Your deflection would be accurate if none of the line providers were ISPs. But they are all ISPs, and all monopolies (even if limited in scope of monopoly), so they all end up with monopolistic advantage in their ISP, due to a monopoly of the type of access.

      Or do I need to define "monopoly" and "ISP" in monosyllabic terms so you can keep up?

    26. Re:Really by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      Your deflection would be accurate if none of the line providers were ISPs. But they are all ISPs, and all monopolies

      They are monopolies IN THEIR MEDIUM, but NOT THEIR ISP SERVICE. "All cable companies that provide ISP service are monopolies" is not the same as "all ISPs are monopolies." You want to regulate ISPs as utilities because they are monopolies, but THEY ARE NOT. Regulate the actual monopoly maybe, which is not the ISP part of the business. Don't make it harder for ISP competition to exist in the first place by regulating all ISPs as if they were monopolies -- a concept that is patently absurd BY DEFINITION.

      Or do I need to define "monopoly" and "ISP" in monosyllabic terms so you can keep up?

      You need to define "monopoly" so that "tens or hundreds of competitors in every market" fits that definition. Try real hard, you've convinced yourself but nobody else.

    27. Re:Really by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      In most places only one company can run copper to an address, by law.

      "Run copper" is not how ISP is defined. Please stop. There is no law creating a monopoly for ISPs. There are simply TOO MANY ISPs to choose from for anyone to think there is some monopoly involved.

      And in most places, only one company can run coax into the house, by law.

      Again, "run coax" is not how ISP is defined. But diverging into the topic of cable monopoly, even though it is irrelevant to the issue of whether ISPs are monopolies or not, I'll point out that it is not "by law" that there is only one cable company in any locality, it is "by contract". That contract is called a franchise agreement, and BY LAW exclusive franchise agreements are ILLEGAL and have been for a very long time. If you can actually find an example of an exclusive franchise agreement let me know, and then hie thee off to the FCC and FTC to let them know so they can begin enforcement proceedings against the violators.

      Prove one of those wrong, or you are a liar.

      What a wonderfully adult conversation. Please continue. Watching you make a fool of yourself is somewhat entertaining.

    28. Re:Really by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Again, "run coax" is not how ISP is defined.

      I never said otherwise. Stop lying. Seems that's your only retort, "I don't like reality, so I'll lie about it." Unfortunately, reality proves you wrong. No major coax provider isn't an ISP. That I point out that reality doesn't mean I'm saying all ISPs are coax providers, or that I'm otherwise defining ISPs.

    29. Re:Really by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      OK, initially I read your argument as saying copper (or presumably Fiber) doesn't compete with coax. I'm assuming that's not what you're arguing.

      That said, two companies competing is not a monopoly, but a duopoly. In theory some competition exists, even if not much.

      I wouldn't argue 3G competes with FTTH because they're not comparable technologies while cable Internet, *DSL, and point-to-point WiMAX/etc are. The latter is, as you say, not popular, and I suspect there's less of it available now than there was a few years ago, largely because it was rolled out by independent ISPs who didn't have the marketing power of Comcast or at&t. But technologically, they deliver similar products, with similar bandwidths, and similar restrictions on their use.

      Your comment about 3G raises an interesting question though: with 5G around the corner, and LTE already freeing mobile phone companies to loosen the shackles over mobile Internet usage, I wonder how far away we are from the major wireless companies becoming realistic alternatives to the big two.

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    30. Re:Really by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      Again, "run coax" is not how ISP is defined.

      I never said otherwise.

      Of course you did. Every time you try to defend your claim that ISPs are monopolies you trot out that you can't get cable service from more than one company. That is an implicit statement that you think that "ISP" is defined by "cable service". You didn't say it in exactly those words, but that is the natural meaning to your statements.

      Stop lying. Seems that's your only retort,

      My "retort" to the claim that ISPs are monopolies because you can't get cable service from more than one company is the truth: "ISP" is not defined or limited to "cable service".

      Unfortunately, reality proves you wrong.

      The fact that I am able to make use of EIGHT DIFFERENT ISPS while sitting at my desk right now proves you wrong. If ISPs had any kind of monopoly, I would not have access to EIGHT of them, and I actually could add a couple more just by calling the 800 number to order service. How is this a monopoly of any kind?

      No major coax provider isn't an ISP.

      There you go again. That same statement. The only way it could mean anything in this discussion is if you thought "coax provider" is how "ISP" is defined. "All A is B" is NOT the same as "All B is A". All coax providers may be ISPs, but not all ISPs are coax providers. There is no monopoly status for ISPs. Regulating them as such would be stupid and prevent competition.

      That I point out that reality doesn't mean I'm saying all ISPs are coax providers,

      You using that statement to prove that ISPs are monopolies means just that. Why is it relevant if your "coax provider" is a monopoly when you can get ISP services from so very many other places, unless you think that the only way to get ISP services is through that awful monopolistic ISP running on your coax? Except the ISP business does not have monopolies. If you don't like the ISP you get with a "coax provider", use a different one. There is no monopoly on ISPs. Call my a liar for saying it, but that won't change the fact.

    31. Re:Really by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      your claim that ISPs are monopolies

      Again, your only report is more lies. Quote me. You won't, because you are lying. I've talked about the access monopolies. That is all. I've mentioned that the access monopolies are all ISPs. That the access monopolies can abuse their access monopoly in their ISP business influences ISP business. Your lie is simply a lie. You can't quote me saying that. You misinterpret and infer to pick a fight. But reality proves you wrong. A careful reading of my words proves you wrong. You are wrong, and lying about it.

      The only way it could mean anything in this discussion is if you thought "coax provider" is how "ISP" is defined.

      So, you understand my words, disagree with reality, then argue with reality. That's not a lie. That's simple insanity. You have no grasp on reality.

      You using that statement to prove that ISPs are monopolies means just that.

      No, you don't get to tell me I meant to say something other than what I said, the argue that what you deliberately misinterpret is somehow wrong.

      Read again, slower this time. And don't forget to breathe.

      Call my a liar for saying it, but that won't change the fact.

      You are a liar for lying about what I said.

      If you don't like the ISP you get with a "coax provider", use a different one.

      Name a single place where you can get a different coax provider, or you are lying again. You can't say a single thing without lying again. Lying about what I said (easily provably false), then, when I demonstrated your obvious lies, you are now lying about what I "meant" when that's not what I said.

    32. Re:Really by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Most of the US still does not have more than 2 physical accesses to a property, and both of those options are ISPs. This limits the market to a choice of two monopolies, the copper monopoly, or the coax monopoly.

  2. Deathstar Telecom by paratek · · Score: 2

    It's now a toss-up for me as to whether they're still Deathstar Telecom or if they've become something more akin to The Doomsday Machine from classic Trek. Once satisfied to rule the galaxy, AT&T's appetite for acquisition has turned its primary weapon into a gaping maw into which many alternative options for consumers have found themselves trapped.

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  3. Dereg Hell by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    NOOOOooooooooooo!

    They both suck maggot filled rotting corpses on their best days.

    Less competition will make them go from an F- to a G.

    1. Re: Dereg Hell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Time Warner is a media company.
      You're confusing them with Time Warner Cable, which was purchased by Charter and no longer exists.

    2. Re: Dereg Hell by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      Ooops, sorry, wrong envelope. My bad. The "moon" group won.

  4. ...what by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Quick someone shill and explain how this magically isn't/shouldn't be the FCC's job. Then tell me what the FCC should actually be doing other than sitting on their hands and removing net neutrality.

    1. Re:...what by ATMAvatar · · Score: 4, Informative

      Approving mergers generally falls under the purview of the FTC (see merger review).

      The only reason the FCC came up is due to the fact that the two companies may have had to transfer FCC licenses as part of the deal. Since it appears no transferal is taking place, the FCC is not involved.

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    2. Re:...what by known_coward_69 · · Score: 1

      they will probably keep the companies separate legal entities and lease the TWC licenses for some low price

    3. Re:...what by Megane · · Score: 1

      Time Warner Cable (now Spectrum after being acquired by Charter) hasn't been a part of Time Warner since 2009.

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    4. Re:...what by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Then tell me what the FCC should actually be doing other than sitting on their hands and removing net neutrality.

      Licensing ham radios, so their broadcasts don't interfere with my UHF stations.

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    5. Re:...what by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

      The FCC's primary purpose was to make sure your broadcast transmitter was operating correctly. Having them be the keepers of the internet is a stretch IMHO.

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    6. Re:...what by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 1

      And many US citizens still call Native Americans "Indians" because Christopher Columbus thought he made it to Indo-China. Are you saying we need another regulatory agency to regulate the Internet because the FCC was founded in 1934 and therefor should only regulate technology FDR would be familiar with?

    7. Re: ...what by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Many Indians still refer to themselves collectively because they aren't a group that existed prior to Europeans coming over and needing a term to refer to all the indigenous peoples. They'd use the appropriate tribe when they wanted to refer to their group.

    8. Re:...what by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is Ajit's reasoning to ignore the merger. Commissioner Clyburn, the only democrat-appointed commissioner, thinks that the sheer scope of the merger is justification enough for the FCC to apply some oversight. But she's outvoted 4-to-1, so who cares what she thinks.

    9. Re:...what by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bet it would really chap your ass that among native americans the term we collectively use for ourselves is "Indians"? As the poster below mentions, we didn't have a pan-tribal identity until the us army and bureau of indian affairs gave us one, and frankly that name works as well as anything, it rolls off the tongue easier than "native american" or "american aborigine" or any of the other terms I've heard used.

      FYI the term "redskin" doesn't particularly bother us - we're well aware that our skin is reddish. And really any negative sentiment associated with that term is laughably minor compared to the centuries of genocide.

  5. Surprise! Not. by thegreatbob · · Score: 1

    Are there any good arguments to suggest that these cable/telco mega-mergers are anything but consumer-hostile? I have yet to find one.

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    1. Re:Surprise! Not. by Megane · · Score: 3, Informative

      This isn't a "cable/telco" merger because TWC hasn't been part of TW since 2009 and is not involved.

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  6. There, fixed it for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    FCC Chairman Says His Agency Won't Review Anything That Might Benefit Consumers (or inconvenience the wealthy).

    1. Re:There, fixed it for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm wealthy, and I don't like shitty telecom monopolies any more than the next guy.

    2. Re:There, fixed it for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gosh, if only the Obama administration had decided to block the merger and protect the proles when he had the chance in 2016, but instead he punted it to the next administration.

    3. Re: There, fixed it for you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Knowing it would be overturned by Donald Trump, the poor man's friend.

  7. To be honest by Lirodon · · Score: 1

    AFAIK the only FCC license Time Warner holds anymore is for a somewhat also-ran TV station in Atlanta that used to be the great WTBS, but has since been outsourced to the owner of another station there and has no ties to the TBS cable channel anymore. It will probably be sold to the owner of said other station in all likelihood.

    1. Re:To be honest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      AFAIK the only FCC license Time Warner holds anymore is for a somewhat also-ran TV station in Atlanta that used to be the great WTBS, but has since been outsourced to the owner of another station there and has no ties to the TBS cable channel anymore. It will probably be sold to the owner of said other station in all likelihood.

      TW also holds a few commercial licenses for satellite distribution of things like HBO, but those are not the typical licenses in a merger/acquisition that would involve a full "public interest" FCC review(*). Selling the TV station (essentially) removes the administrative authority for the FCC to review the merger (no authority, no review).

      Regardless of whether you are in favor of, or against, a full review, this appears to be the right decision for the FCC under their regulatory authority.

      (*) And if the FCC believed those licenses were meaningful, TW could almost trivially transfer them to some other company and simply contract for the service.

    2. Re:To be honest by Lirodon · · Score: 1

      As if there aren't broadcasters doing that en masse already *coughSinclaircoughNexstarcough*

  8. FUUUUUU... by thedarb · · Score: 0

    ...CK!!!!!

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  9. Never AT&T by AaronW · · Score: 2

    I remember when AT&T took over my @Home cable modem service. The prices went way up and the service got really really bad. Back when I had @Home I had 10Mbps down and 1Mbps up (originally 10M up and down). Back then that was still pretty insane. Then AT&T took it over and it became ATTBI. AT&T decided that 1Mbps was too much bandwidth and lowered it to 128Kbps up. On top of that, they aggregated EVERYONE's bandwidth through the same 128Kbps, so now I'm sharing 128Kbps up along with all of my neighbors. At the best of times with ping I only got 40% packet loss. Needless to say, dial-up was a lot faster than my "broadband". It was like this for 9 months. AT&T support consisted of "did you reboot your computer and router and modem?" which, of course, did absolutely nothing. AT&T eventually fixed it, but even newspaper articles describing their crappy service didn't change matters.

    Finally Comcast took it over and Comcast was a godsend compared to AT&T. You know things are bad when you praise Comcast. Even Comcast's crappy customer service is orders of magnitude better than what I experienced with AT&T.

    I will NEVER use AT&T again. I currently use Comcast business, which, while expensive, is much better than residential.

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    1. Re:Never AT&T by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I still use AT&T wireless because as an ex comcast employee I still am riding on the 25% company discount code.

      Even the best deals from T-mobile and others can't touch the $80 a month for 10gig on 3 shared devices. Yes even the "access fee" per device is discounted.
      I will ride that discount as long as I can.

    2. Re:Never AT&T by unixisc · · Score: 1

      I have totally lost what AT&T is. Once upon a time, it was a telecom company. Then they bought Cingular Wireless and begat AT&T Wireless, then they acquired Uverse, then SBC, then later DirecTV and so on. What are they? A telco? A cable company like Comcast? A TV company like Dish? Totally lost. However, like you, I just stay away from a company that just can't figure out what it is

    3. Re:Never AT&T by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      Then they bought ..., then SBC

      You have that backwards. SBC bought AT&T and then renamed itself to use the AT&T name.

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    4. Re:Never AT&T by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I remember when AT&T took over my @Home cable modem service. The prices went way up and the service got really really bad.

      The same thing happened to everyone whose @Home got taken over by someone, for me it was Mediacom. See, @Home wasn't being run sustainably, and so it went out of business...

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  10. Republicans are the party of Big Business by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Donald Trump is a Republican President.

    Finish the syllogism.

  11. Wrong agency! FTC, not FCC by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The FCC is not the right agency to review mergers for anticompetitive issues. FCC is about tech, not competition.

    The relevant agency is the F *T* C (Federal Trade Commission).

    Now maybe they need some legislation to give them a budget bump and/or a juristictional tweak/clarification if they're to (once again) take on the telecom giants over antitrust issues. But if so it's high time that was done.

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  12. Thank your local trumper... by Lumpy · · Score: 0

    For voting in a guy that found some of the dumbest human beings on the planet to staff important positions.

    Trump himself wont do the damage, The morally bankrupt 89IQ rich idiots he appointed will.

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    1. Re:Thank your local trumper... by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

      the tumpanzees will NEVER admit they made a mistake.

      as long as they are STIGGINIT to the 'liburals' they are happy.

      they could lose their health insurance, be jobless and still think that they 'won'.

      we really should have an IQ test for voters. if you aren't at least average, you don't get a vote.

      dumb voters are why we are in the shitty state of things. they are so easily manipulated (BUT, HER EMAILS!) and they are entirely the wrong people to decide the future of this country, as a whole.

      I truly believe: we are 2 countries and we should split. let the rednecks form redneckia and the rest of us will continue to live in the US.

      seriously - we are not one country and perhaps never have been. but its really tearing us apart. how much longer can we continue to fight left vs right, without getting a fucking thing done that helps us?

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    2. Re:Thank your local trumper... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >some of the dumbest human beings on the planet to staff important positions.

      You mean the dumb human being appointed by Obama and unanimously confirmed by the US senate in 2012? That dumb ass?

    3. Re: Thank your local trumper... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except he was selected by the Republican party due to the structure of the FCC being bipartisan.

      Do continue to blame Obama for everything though.

    4. Re: Thank your local trumper... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Was Obama forced to appoint Pai? Were Democrats in senate forced to confirm him?

    5. Re: Thank your local trumper... by buss_error · · Score: 1

      Was Obama forced to appoint Pai?
      Yes.

      Were Democrats in senate forced to confirm him?
      Anyone that wasn't living in a bomb shelter for the previous 6 years knows that the senate was in nominal republican control. If a the democratic party members objected to his appointment, it wouldn't have made a bit of difference.

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    6. Re:Thank your local trumper... by uvajed_ekil · · Score: 1

      the tumpanzees will NEVER admit they made a mistake.

      as long as they are STIGGINIT to the 'liburals' they are happy.

      they could lose their health insurance, be jobless and still think that they 'won'.

      That right there is exactly why this is so hard to stomach -- even when the current administration fails miserably, lies to us, lies about lying to us, claims everyone else is lying, and all of us non-rich folks suffer, the self-proclaimed conservative right will never admit their mistakes and will simply make excuses, and blame The Democrat Party. Hell, Rush Limbaugh still blames Bill Clinton for everything that goes wrong these days. I'm one o' them "liburals"(I say progressive), but I'd much rather have us all be healthy, wealthy, and wise than to be able to say "told ya so." Too bad we're only going to be able to go with the latter in a few years.

      Maybe I've been spoiled by eight years of having a thoughtful, intelligent leader. THANKS OBAMA...

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    7. Re: Thank your local trumper... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      obama put him on the commission as republican party representation on it, not as its chairman. wheeler was chairman, the second appointee of obama's administration to that position.

      trump is the one that got pai the seat at the head of the table. it was 'promotion from within' so no confirmation hearing for that.

      crafty game, the republicans playing the long-con, getting 'their man' in the fcc as a 'member' a few years early... just waiting for a change of party in the white house (odds are that was going to happen, nobody expected an orange outcome at that time, though) to force obama's chairman out..... fuck it all.

    8. Re: Thank your local trumper... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He wasn't thoughtful or intelligent enough to groom a successor. Hillary Clinton was a deplorable choice for the Democrat candidate. People voting against Clinton elected Trump. If the Democrats had chosen a suitable front runner, we would not have President Trump.

    9. Re:Thank your local trumper... by bigwill666 · · Score: 1

      Wow, blame Trump for something he opposes...you sound listen to yourself.

  13. Take a look at a cable franchise map by raymorris · · Score: 4, Informative

    Have a look at a franchise map and get back to us on that. The New York map is entertaining because there are so many places where one company is permitted to operate on one side of the street, amd another company on the other side of the street. Yes there are several companies in New York, each granted legally enforced monopolies in specific neighborhoods.

    This is about the time someone pipes up and says "cities aren't allowed to grant monopolies anymore." Read that law and see what it actually says, or if you're in hurry just go to the New York City web site and look at the map of monopolies enforced by the city. To summarize the law in one sentence:
    Cities may not grant brand new legally enforced monopolies - unless they hold a hearing first.

    1. Re:Take a look at a cable franchise map by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Time fucking Warner already sold off its cable division to some other MSO conglomerate. This is the content side of the house being bought by AT&T. Why can't people understand this fact?

    2. Re:Take a look at a cable franchise map by penix1 · · Score: 2

      This is the content side of the house being bought by AT&T. Why can't people understand this fact?

      Oh we do understand it but what you aren't understanding is AT&T also acquired DirecTV which still lowers competition in the media provider sector.

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  14. exactly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was going to say the same thing. This is about concentrating of media power, the FTC is the agency for that. Heck, the FCC not overstepping its bounds is a good thing.

  15. Both FTC and FCC (and FBI) budgets slashed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Both FTC and FCC (and EPA and many others) are getting their budgets slashed. And leaks says he's going to slash the FBI budget by 40% since they have too much money if they're investigating his teams repeated communications with Russian Intelligence during the elections.

    So FTC won't be regulating anything anytime soon.

  16. Re:Wrong agency! FTC, not FCC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ftc is scheduled to be abolished with the epa and other agencies, though, right?

    a note for future generations, should the planet still exist in the future... never vote a spray tan and bad toupee into office.

  17. Didn't trump want to block this? by jonwil · · Score: 1

    Last I heard Donald Trump was opposed to the AT&T/Timer Warner merger. The FCC is right in saying they don't have jurisdiction here but unless Trump has changed his mind, he should still be able to direct the agencies that DO have jurisdiction on this to block it.

    1. Re:Didn't trump want to block this? by guruevi · · Score: 1

      Trump tends to be a constitutionalist, he doesn't like the government overstepping it's boundaries. I think the Justice Department and FTC need to be looking at abolishing all regulations and subsidies that grant these big players monopoly status while keeping small players out of the market and investigate them for past performance (how long have we been paying for broadband buildout, if you are under 20, your parents were already paying for it).

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    2. Re:Didn't trump want to block this? by jonwil · · Score: 1

      If trump is a constitutionalist and doesn't support the government overstepping its boundaries, why wont he end the unconstitutional spying by the NSA?

      Or is he another hypocrite who is only constitutionalist when it suits him...

    3. Re: Didn't trump want to block this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Take a seat, you may have a long wait. Trump would be unable to explain what a constitutionalist was. One it was explained he would declared himself a stout constitutionalist, only to contradict himself a week later.

    4. Re:Didn't trump want to block this? by gtall · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Trump? A constitutionalist? Are you mad? That consideration has never crossed his mind, which isn't saying much since most considerations haven't. And he never met a deal he couldn't find a way to pervert to shining his halo.

    5. Re:Didn't trump want to block this? by naris · · Score: 1

      Trump doesn't like it because Bannon doesn't like it because without net neutrality, Breitbart might have to pay ISPs to be available to their (the ISPs) customers...

    6. Re:Didn't trump want to block this? by naris · · Score: 1

      It isn't the "regulation and subsidies" that "grant the big players monopoly" and "keeps small players out of the market" for internet, cable and telephone -- it's the really high cost of entry to build the infrastructure. Actually, the "regulation and subsidies" help the "small players" by forcing the "big players" share the infrastructure. Remove the "regulation and subsidies" and the "small players" can no longer exist as they will no longer have access to the infrastructure they need to remain in business!

    7. Re: Didn't trump want to block this? by naris · · Score: 1

      It wouldn't take a week -- he would most likely contradict himself in his next tweet!

    8. Re:Didn't trump want to block this? by naris · · Score: 1

      Doh! Wrong thread. Although, perhaps it kinda applies?

    9. Re:Didn't trump want to block this? by guruevi · · Score: 1

      You mean the infrastructure, primarily paid for by tax payers, which the government has granted to the big players and now we have to pay them exorbitant fees to use it?

      The Telecom Act you refer to permitted the Baby Bell's to merge again to the point we now have only a handful of 'competitors'. True access to poles, ask Google Fiber about that. I've inquired about getting access to a fiber for a business location, they quoted me a $12k 'access fee' and we don't even have to interrupt the TWC wiring.

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  18. Working backwards by uvajed_ekil · · Score: 1

    Does anyone get the feeling that Pai & Co. are looking for justifications for not even reviewing deals like this, rather than actually looking for reasons to do their jobs? Maybe it's just me, but I see the FCC and EPA both turning a corner, and making it their mission to protect business interests from regulation rather than to protect citizens from unscrupulous businesses and practices. I hate being the doom and gloom dude, but a lot of things aren't looking so good for us little guys in the near future.

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  19. FCC/FTC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sounds reasonable. Now let's hear from the FTC.

    1. Re:FCC/FTC by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      To trolls that don't understand the mission of the FCC.

  20. Thank who? by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 2

    the tumpanzees will NEVER admit they made a mistake.

    as long as they are STIGGINIT to the 'liburals' they are happy.

    they could lose their health insurance, be jobless and still think that they 'won'.

    we really should have an IQ test for voters. if you aren't at least average, you don't get a vote.

    dumb voters are why we are in the shitty state of things. they are so easily manipulated (BUT, HER EMAILS!) and they are entirely the wrong people to decide the future of this country, as a whole.

    You do realize that Obama appointed him FCC commissioner in 2012, right?

  21. Both FTC and FCC (and EPA and many others) are getting their budgets slashed.

    ORLY? Maybe the others. But the FTC? They hardly have any budget to slash.

    I'd like to see where you're getting the idea that the FTC's budget is getting the axe.

    For starters, it's an ideal tool to spank the media conglomerates which own and control the news outlets that have roasted him. Much of the anti-consumer pathologies the ISPs engage in appear to be directed to giving the content part of the containing conglomerate's operation a competitive advantage.

    Antitrust actions to prevent (i.e. AT&T / Time Warner merger blocking, which Trump already favors) or break up existing content transport / content provision tie-ins would let him drive a big screw into the mainstream media under the guise of (actual!) consumer protection activity. B-)

    Note that he's appointed Maureen Ohlhausen to head the FTC, and she'd already written a paper on how the FTC and antitrust, not the FCC and net neutrality, is the proper remedy for any consumer-impacting misbehavior of the ISP oligopoly.

    (As have I, though we seem to have a difference of opinion on how many competitors are needed before competition is an effective remedy and how well competition doing at the moment.)

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    1. Re:ORLY? by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

      You failed to grasp that "The FCC works towards six goals in the areas of broadband, competition, the spectrum, the media, public safety and homeland security, and modernizing itself."

      "Competition in the provision of communication services, both domestically and overseas, supports the Nation's economy. The competitive framework for communications services should foster innovation and offer consumers reliable, meaningful choice in affordable services."

      So yes the FCC does have a say in this merger. Again, ass-hole.

  22. Re:Wrong agency! FTC, not FCC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    FCC is about tech, not competition.

    WTF? Right there on the FCC site, very first bullet point on the page explaining what the FCC does: "Promoting competition, innovation and investment in broadband services and facilities."

  23. Re:Wrong agency! FTC, not FCC by cdrudge · · Score: 1

    I think they both are. I think it's correct that the FCC should review mergers when consolidation of significant amounts of licensed spectrum or other assets that fall under the purview of the FCC. And I think the FTC should review mergers based on the impact from a trade and consumer point of view.

  24. Re:Wrong agency! FTC, not FCC by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 1

    RTFA: "The communications giant noted that it "anticipated that Time Warner will not need to transfer any of its FCC licenses "

    The job of the FCC is to "..regulate interstate communications by radio, television, wire, satellite, and cable in all 50 states..."

    It is a lot more than just tech. Ass-hole.

  25. LIES by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is exactly the reason the FCC exist, as was pointed out in the discussion of Net neutrality.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7WHoqsRuxU

  26. so...Trump less evil than Obama by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trump made it clear that he does not want this deal to go through, but unlike Obama, he appears unwilling to weaponize the executive branch of government and use it against his opponents.

    who'd a thunk it? The guy is less of a fascist than Obama.

  27. Blaming cities is short-sighted by Rujiel · · Score: 1

    ISPs routinely have their puppets in govermment shoot down notions like municipal wifi in poor inner city areas as to guarantee that they will see no public competition to their price-gouging. They also deliberately create a checkerboard of no competition as the aftermath to their mergers. To simply blame our awful broadband situation on cities alone is childish.

  28. What else do you EXPECT from an Indian? by syntotic · · Score: 1

    To SAVE an American icon company that MEANS America to more than one generation and should HAVE the capability to become an eternal, efficient company? I would send such Indian to martial court. I grew up on W cartoons! Now how is it going to be called? Other companies restructure, but if their name is iconic, they get sold and changed instead.