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'Robots Won't Just Take Our Jobs -- They'll Make the Rich Even Richer' (theguardian.com)

Robotics and artificial intelligence will continue to improve -- but without political change such as a tax, the outcome will range from bad to apocalyptic, writes technology and politics journalist Ben Tarnoff, citing experts and studies, for The Guardian. From the article, shared by six anonymous readers: Despite a steady stream of alarming headlines about clever computers gobbling up our jobs, the economic data suggests that automation isn't happening on a large scale. The bad news is that if it does, it will produce a level of inequality that will make present-day America look like an egalitarian utopia by comparison. The real threat posed by robots isn't that they will become evil and kill us all, which is what keeps Elon Musk up at night -- it's that they will amplify economic disparities to such an extreme that life will become, quite literally, unlivable for the vast majority. A robot tax may or may not be a useful policy tool for averting this scenario. But it's a good starting point for an important conversation. Mass automation presents a serious political problem -- one that demands a serious political solution. Automation isn't new. In the late 16th century, an English inventor developed a knitting machine known as the stocking frame. By hand, workers averaged 100 stitches per minute; with the stocking frame, they averaged 1,000. This is the basic pattern, repeated through centuries: as technology improves, it reduces the amount of labor required to produce a certain number of goods. So far, however, this phenomenon hasn't produced extreme unemployment. That's because automation can create jobs as well as destroy them. What's different this time is the possibility that technology will become so sophisticated that there won't be anything left for humans to do. What if your ATM could not only give you a hundred bucks, but sell you an adjustable-rate mortgage?

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  1. Bull by nospam007 · · Score: 5, Informative

    "By hand, workers averaged 100 stitches per minute; with the stocking frame, they averaged 1,000. This is the basic pattern, repeated through centuries: as technology improves, it reduces the amount of labor required to produce a certain number of goods. So far, however, this phenomenon hasn't produced extreme unemployment."

    Yes, it did. Automatic steam-powered weaving machines caused the birth of the Union movement, because hundreds of thousands lost their jobs worldwide.
    Just nobody cared at the time and the rich did get richer then as well.

    1. Re:Bull by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 3, Informative

      Millions of people starved to death in India and all over British colonies when Britain dumped their factory made goods. In fact without such a large dumping ground creating jobs in Britain, the Industrial Revolution might have fizzled out. Hungry mobs would have rebelled and destroyed everything.

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      sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
  2. ATM could sell you an adjustable rate mortgage by Notabadguy · · Score: 3, Informative

    Well, then I'd tell the ATM to go fuck itself, since adjustable rate mortgages are a scam, then I'd go find a different ATM that would sell me a fixed rate mortgage.

    The first ATM would of course end up needing a machine-government bailout because it's too big to fail.

  3. Re:so what? by mpercy · · Score: 4, Informative

    The CBO produced a report "THE INCIDENCE OF THE CORPORATE INCOME TAX" in which it states "A corporation may write its check to the Internal Revenue Service for payment of the corporate income tax, but that money must come from somewhere: from reduced returns to investors in the company, lower wages to its workers, or higher prices that consumers pay for the products the company produces."

    And it goes on to say

    "Although economists are far from a consensus about exactly who bears how much of the burden of the corporate income tax, the existing studies highlight the significant types of economic mechanisms as well as the empirical estimates necessary for further quantifying the burdens. CBO's review of the studies yields the following conclusions:

    o The short-term burden of the corporate tax probably falls on stockholders or investors in general, but may fall on some more than on others, because not all investments are taxed at the same rate.

    o The long-term burden of corporate or dividend taxation is unlikely to rest fully on corporate equity, because it will remain there only if marginal investment is not affected by those taxes. Most economists believe that the corporate tax system has some effect on investment decisions.

    o Most evidence from closed-economy, general-equilibrium models suggests that given reasonable parameters, the long-term incidence of the corporate tax falls on capital in general.

    o In the context of international capital mobility, the burden of the corporate tax may be shifted onto immobile factors (such as labor or land), but only to the degree that the capital and outputs of different countries can be substituted.

    o In the very long term, the burden is likely to be shifted in part to labor, if the corporate tax dampens capital accumulation.

  4. Re:Robot tax is infeasible by freeze128 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Replace "Homer" with "George Jetson", and then get off my lawn.

  5. Re:Rich are winning class war [Re: Bull] by Penguinisto · · Score: 3, Informative

    1) Government workers and government worker unions are apples/oranges compared to private-sector unions. They operate under vastly different environments, parameters, and conditions.

    2) You're misrepresenting the argument: the actual reason for busting the public school employee unions (and not the NEA or AFT, which are national teacher unions) was to remove forced-membership requirements and the massive fraud/waste/abuse (and not a little political abuse) that had sprung from its membership and leadership.

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