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Uber Says It Will Apply For Self-Driving Permit In California (mercurynews.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Mercury News: Uber will apply for a state permit to test its self-driving cars on public roads [in California], the company said Thursday, more than a month after the California Department of Motor Vehicles shut down Uber's autonomous vehicle pilot program. The DMV already has reinstated the registrations for two of Uber's self-driving Volvos, which are back on the road in San Francisco, an Uber spokeswoman said. The cars will not go into self-driving mode until the permit is issued, she said. "These cars are legally registered and are being driven manually," an Uber spokeswoman said. "We are taking steps to complete our application to apply for a DMV testing permit. As we said in December, Uber remains 100 percent committed to California." DMV spokeswoman Jessica Gonzalez confirmed that regulators have been working with Uber on the application process. "Uber hasn't formally submitted their autonomous vehicle tester program application," Gonzalez wrote in an email, "but just as we would with any other manufacturer, the DMV is providing assistance with the steps necessary to apply for and receive a test permit."

47 comments

  1. Impressive. by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You know that you run a classy operation when "Company announces plans to obey law" is headline material.

    1. Re:Impressive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The company is obeying the law. And is announcing they are continuing to obey the law. That's not news. "Company launches self-driving car" is headline material, and they've applied for the permits to do that.

    2. Re: Impressive. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The company" is a bunch of lying psychopaths. I remember they were all about a thing they called "shared economy", helping people make a bit of cash from a car seat that went unoccupied during the daily commute.

      Uber, I recall vaguely, wasn't a cab company, but a techology fortress that would help the world be a better place.

      That's why they ignored regulations, didn't pay fees and taxes requied of all other cab companies, and squeezed low fares from the drivers.

      What happened?

  2. Didn't Uber rape their female engineer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's what I heard, anyway. They held her down and raped her.

    1. Re: Didn't Uber rape their female engineer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrong!

      They raped a few of them, but only one came forward. I'm still not sure if I want to stop using them.

    2. Re:Didn't Uber rape their female engineer? by AmazingRuss · · Score: 2

      Then set fire to her, and threw her flaming body onto a bus full of orphans.

    3. Re: Didn't Uber rape their female engineer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was part of the contract she signed. Always read the fine print!

    4. Re: Didn't Uber rape their female engineer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but the CEO is a meanie which is much worse.

    5. Re: Didn't Uber rape their female engineer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not rape until they prove it in a court of law. She was "allegedly" gang raped at Uber HQ.

    6. Re: Didn't Uber rape their female engineer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is unlikely that you ever have female children, but if you do, let's hope they get 'allegedly raped' in some HQ, and you're unable to prove the rape in a court of law.

    7. Re: Didn't Uber rape their female engineer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You want his children to be raped like the Uber engineer? You're a monster.

    8. Re: Didn't Uber rape their female engineer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's not trivialize rape please.

    9. Re: Didn't Uber rape their female engineer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I still use them. Uber is convenient and I don't give a shit.

    10. Re: Didn't Uber rape their female engineer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you support rape then?!?

    11. Re: Didn't Uber rape their female engineer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not a monster. I am a normal, no-holes-barred rapist and I work as a senior manager at Uber.

    12. Re: Didn't Uber rape their female engineer? by Phusion · · Score: 1

      LOL, jesus, you cold, cold son of a bitch-- that was funny, but I feel dirty after laughing at it.

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    13. Re: Didn't Uber rape their female engineer? by AmazingRuss · · Score: 1

      Why do you hate flaming orphans?

  3. If we walk out that door, we are not coming back.. by raftpeople · · Score: 2

    ...seriously, you'll regret it, you're going to miss us...there is no way we will be back...once we are gone we are gone! not coming back, no way...this is your last chance...don't make a decision you'll regret....I mean it man...we're part way to Arizona already....it's going to be great down there...they really like us down there...we're not kidding, we'll go through with this...

  4. Bleeding Money by Great+Big+Bird · · Score: 1

    We are talking about this same company that is burning through money aren't we?

    1. Re:Bleeding Money by Nyder · · Score: 0

      We are talking about this same company that is burning through money aren't we?

      Not only bleeding money, has a big lawsuit to defend from google.

      I think it's safe to say Uber is done.

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    2. Re: Bleeding Money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As the SCO debacle showed us all, it ain't over until the fat female engineer pulls the plug on the last server.

  5. oh NOW they're going to ask for a permit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Imagine if they had done this before?

    Oh wait, that's not how they did things! What a bunch of hypocrites.

  6. Not surprising by quonset · · Score: 3, Insightful

    After Uber's CEO was caught berating one of his own cab drivers because the driver dared to say he wasn't being paid enough and couldn't earn enough because of the money Uber siphons from his work, the easiest way to do away with whining humans is to replace them with robots.

    Or in this case, cabs which don't talk back except to ask where the person wants to be dropped off at since the cab wasn't going the same direction as the person.

    1. Re:Not surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you see the video? It was more like, driver berates nervous Uber CEO.

    2. Re:Not surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Have to agree. I'm not defending Uber's CEO, it was foolish for a man in his position to get into an argument like that, but the driver was being a dick.

    3. Re:Not surprising by Dare+nMc · · Score: 1

      > because of the money Uber siphons from his work

      From everything I see, that is not what happens, and not what I got from the driver either. Uber's spend is on investors backs, they are pretty much subsidizing the drivers as well to get market share from their investors. The driver is mad that he signed with the Uber lease for his car while passenger rates were higher, then Uber cut those rates such that he could no longer afford his lease, in order to get more Uber market share. Uber is spending more on advertisements, and subsidy programs like the Uber lease than they get from drivers. Without investor money, even without the Autonomous driving development Uber's model (at current rates) is not sustainable.

    4. Re:Not surprising by luis_a_espinal · · Score: 1

      > because of the money Uber siphons from his work

      From everything I see, that is not what happens, and not what I got from the driver either. Uber's spend is on investors backs, they are pretty much subsidizing the drivers as well to get market share from their investors. The driver is mad that he signed with the Uber lease for his car while passenger rates were higher, then Uber cut those rates such that he could no longer afford his lease, in order to get more Uber market share. Uber is spending more on advertisements, and subsidy programs like the Uber lease than they get from drivers. Without investor money, even without the Autonomous driving development Uber's model (at current rates) is not sustainable.

      I'm trying to sympathize with the driver, but I can't. He made a business decision to lease (to fucking lease) a car to driver for Uber? Where does that make sense? And let's supposed that it did. Businesses go up and down, and flop all the time when 1) market forces changes and 2) they faced a cash flow issue when #1 happens.

      Kalanick could have handled better, and his company needs to acknowledge there is a human cost on Uber's partners when you let your company race to the bottom. Good CEOs and managers know that, know how to take the human factor into consideration. He should have known better.

      And the driver should have known better also. Leasing a car for Uber driving, that was a business decision, and businesses flop. Moreover, I fail to see the wisdom of such a decision. Who knows, maybe the driver was in a really bad position, and out of desperation thought this was a good idea. Who knows. But it was a bad idea no matter how you cut it.

      Lesson learned. If you buy a car or lease one, it's because you already have the cash flow needed to make the payments. As an individual. As a business, we'll, shit can go bad when cash flow runs thin.

      My advice on the driver (from personal experience) is to return the lease, pay the fine and/or take a credit score hit. He can recover from that. If you are bleeding money, the best think is to clamp that artery, count your loses and go back to the board. The longer you postpone this, the worst you will end up being (and the harder it will be to recover financially.)

    5. Re: Not surprising by Dare+nMc · · Score: 1

      Your correct and the driver wasn't asking for your sympathy. That doesn't change that Uber screwed drivers over who took a big risk with Uber then had them change the rules such that they lost the income they counted on. Then the CEO starts a conversation trying to get the driver to agree these changes were good for drivers, when it clearly harmed them.

      It is not dumb to take calculated risks to increase income, and when those risks don't pan out, we don't condemn them as stupid. I also don't feel sorry for the driver, he gambled and lost. I am still impressed with his work effort and gumption and have nothing but best wishes for others in his position.

    6. Re:Not surprising by bkmoore · · Score: 1

      After Uber's CEO was caught berating one of his own cab drivers because the driver dared to say he wasn't being paid enough and couldn't earn enough....

      I once worked at a company where most people complained about being poorly compensated. When I eventually left for a better job, I got into a friendly argument with several former colleagues. They accused me of "leaving for the money". I told them that if they were unhappy with the pay, they should just find another job. And that applying for jobs is easy once you get your resume in order, and even if you don't accept the offer, it gives you an idea what you're worth to other companies or in other industries. But everyone seemed to have 1000 excuses. The consensus seemed to be the "company owes us and we're not leaving till we get paid." As far as I know they're all still working there and waiting to get more fairly compensated.

      Most of us live in a capitalist economy where management are constantly looking for ways to reduce costs. The only way to to deal with management on equal terms is to be respectful and loyal, but also to be willing to leave when you find a better opportunities. It took me several years to figure this out, but my life improved dramatically once I did.

    7. Re:Not surprising by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      The thing is, how does it work then? Studies have shown that you have to buy a car for less than $12,500 and make it last more than 250,000 miles to make $20 an hour. People can't be making much money on this. If they are that desperate than fine, it's just sad that they feel the need to resort to this.

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    8. Re: Not surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True but the CEO started off by bragging to the other passengers the company wants to make every year hard for their contractors because it they didn't they weren't pushing them hard enough. If you were a driver that lost $7K to a Uber lease and declared BK and had the CEO engage you in a koolaid session at your workplace, many folks would have a similar demeanor, no?

  7. Absolutely Necessary by yuriklastalov · · Score: 2

    I suppose this is the only way they can keep their drivers from raping and harassing their fares. Then again, with the way the company culture apparently is, maybe the self driving cars will be equipped with some sort of automated raping subsystems. Gotta keep that rape culture going somehow, amirite?

    1. Re:Absolutely Necessary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep. Rape culture is very important. It helps reduce number of civilian collateral damage in half when you occupy and ethnically cleanse a territory. Without a proper rape mentality in place, you must kill the squaws, and then import your own womuns. Which means you have to breed and feed them until they're fertile, a total waste of the resource.

  8. Re:If we walk out that door, we are not coming bac by rtb61 · · Score: 1

    A major problem exists. If a person drives recklessly and has an accident they go to jail. So who goes to jail when a robot car drives recklessly for what ever reasons, just an inherent bug, a short circuit, a hack and the car drives recklessly, who goes to jail. What no one you say, nope, corporate law, the investors get fined, the executives who took insane risk get a bonus and the family morns at a funeral as the fight the 'robots' lawyers, who work to create a false narrative to blame the fault on criminal hackers, whether or not it is real, just whether they can create doubt to get away with this weeks death.

    You use a robot publicly, not matter what the reason is for failure, you pay the penalty for the actions of the robot as though you yourself did they crime. Corporate executive approves robots on the street, corporate executive goes to jail, zero excuses (the executives job to ensure security of the system).

    Let's see the warranties these fucking ass hat morons in government are approving. Let's see the liabilities these asshat morons in government are forcing onto those deploying robots for profit. Let's see if those corrupt morons in government are just dumping those liabilities back on us along with the risks and you know that is exactly what is happening.

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  9. Test Score by Neuronwelder · · Score: 1

    Will they enlarge the doors at the facility for the car to come in and take the State License test? You guys did say that the car had AI, didn't you? :P

  10. Re:If we walk out that door, we are not coming bac by Neuronwelder · · Score: 1

    Hey! It's a corporation. They get away with everything!! They got deep pocket for lawyers. What's a few deaths to them? Nothing! Just pay the lawsuit.. next!

  11. Re:If we walk out that door, we are not coming bac by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    You use a robot publicly, not matter what the reason is for failure, you pay the penalty for the actions of the robot as though you yourself did they crime. Corporate executive approves robots on the street, corporate executive goes to jail, zero excuses (the executives job to ensure security of the system).

    That's not how it works when a plane autopilot misbehaves. Why would it be the way it works when a car's self-driving system does the same? Sure, if you can prove criminal negligence. If everyone follows standards, that becomes difficult.

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  12. Re: We need communism now! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not really communism. Just a new progressive politics that understands how monetary sovereign governments using #MMT modern monetary theory explains how money really works in this 3min short animated clip: http://youtu.be/bTZGU9s0idM

    30 min longer version with narration: https://youtu.be/bHQCjFebIf8

  13. Re: We need communism now! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where's the differential equation version?

  14. Re:If we walk out that door, we are not coming bac by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    airlines payout big time when something bad happens will uber do the same?

  15. Re:If we walk out that door, we are not coming bac by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    airlines payout big time when something bad happens will uber do the same?

    I imagine that they will, one way or another.

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  16. Re:If we walk out that door, we are not coming bac by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

    Lol good luck getting people to pay a penalty for something they didn't have any control over.

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  17. Re:If we walk out that door, we are not coming bac by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

    Insurance companies will have no choice but to sue Uber when the rider claims truthfully that they just pressed a button and got in and that's all they were asked to do. They can't even raise a premium on people that had no control over the vehicle. Money will have to come from the provider of the vehicle for every scrape, fender bender, and run over pet.

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  18. I guess that Arizona deal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is working out great?