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US Suspends 'Expedited' H-1B Visas (sfgate.com)

"Starting April 3, 2017, U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services will temporarily suspend premium processing for all H-1B petitions," read Friday's announcement, which says the suspension "may last up to 6 months." Slashdot reader elrous0 sees it as part of the "ongoing efforts to curb abuses in the controversial H-1B program." The San Francisco Chronicle reports: While it could be difficult to divorce the move Friday from the Trump administration's broader immigration crackdown, some experts believed the agency's decision to be apolitical. "It has everything to do with an understaffed, overworked, U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services," said Jason Finkelman, an Austin, Texas, immigration attorney, adding that the wait time for an H-1B visa in California is currently about eight months. However, Vivek Wadhwa, an adjunct professor at Carnegie Mellon University's Silicon Valley campus in NASA Ames Research Center at Moffett Field, said the suspension seems like a message from the government that you "can't buy your way into America."
Whatever the motivation, Engadget believes this will impact large tech companies. "Financial Times quotes a lawyer saying that 'close to 100 percent' of applications from companies like Microsoft utilize the option."

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  1. Re:Well, that's one thing by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    They will probably just move the jobs overseas.

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  2. Thank you Trump! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    He's on a great start to be our best President ever.

    1. Re: Thank you Trump! by CaptainDork · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You do know ... ... you can't mark someone a troll AND comment, right?

      Unless you're in a box with some radioactive material, a cat, and vial of poison.

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  3. I think I know their answer by s.petry · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is good news for the US economy as a whole, at least on the surface. Lets avoid the arguments about being paid less or being treated as indentured servants for now. A good portion of the H1B worker's money goes back to their home country. Even if they made the same wages, they don't spend the money the same so American's lose money in the economy and jobs at the lower end.

    The answer from many of these big companies will to simply lay off more Americans and move more jobs overseas. Those regulations need to see some light for this to truly work out.

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    1. Re:I think I know their answer by barc0001 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Most of the jobs that can be easily offshored have already been done by these companies. There's a reason they want the H1Bs instead and that's because they understand the limitations of offshoring and the communication and control gaps. Offshoring looks good on paper but in practice for non-trivial tasks there's a friction to the process that shows up after actually doing it. Of the various companies I've worked at that have done offshoring they all ended up moving some or all of the jobs back because the quality of the work was inferior, getting the problems corrected took time due to the time zone lag and there was also a lack of control due to that same time zone lag. In the end most of the projects ended up costing almost as much and took 3-4x longer to do which ended up with large opportunity costs for the companies.

    2. Re:I think I know their answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Do you understand that the 96% of the world who do not live in the USA have the same beliefs.

      What happens to that $2 Trillion in exports if the rest of the world behaves the same as the USA ?

      YOU say USA first, the 96% say USA last.

      There is no natural law like Gravity that says the USA will always remain a wealthy country, if anything the ease of shipping, the ease as communications, etc etc etc means that other countries will grow and the USA will shrink. And modern technology means that modernising a country has become cheaper, especially in communications.

      Just after WWII the USA made up about 60% of the worlds GDP, today it is about 20%. The world NEEDS the USA a lot less than it did 60 years ago.
      No one cares how much the US denies it, think of it like climate change, deny it as much as you like, its still happening, and you will be worse off if you fail to accept and prepare.

      Let Trump make trade with the USA harder, it will only force every other country to rely less on the USA and hasten the fall of the US, the 96% can still trade freely with each other. Can you imagine if Airbus has access to the 96% and Boeing does not ?

      And no, the rest of the world is no longer interested in being bullied by the USA, as Trump says, no deal is better than a bad deal. And for the 96%, that means US last.

  4. Re:Well, that's one thing by tietokone-olmi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We're talking about H1B's here. Imported labour. If their jobs could be offshored, they already would've been: the offshoring job-market favours capital even more than that for indentured brown people.

    Some leftie you are, failing even at basic Marxist economics.

  5. An Excellent Start But More is Required by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hopefully, the Trump administration will build upon this first step by properly increasing the minimum wages of an H1B worker to something more commensurate with that of a world class expert in science, technology, engineering or math. The wage should reflect the fact that the necessary worker is so rare and valuable that no US citizen living anywhere in the United States can satisfy the requirements. In my opinion, a person of such outstanding capability cannot be worth less than $250,000 per year in salary to the employer. If Google or Facebook or Apple need these people so desperately, it should be no problem for such wealthy corporations to pay what amounts to a pittance for skills and expertise which cannot, or so they claim, be found in any American citizens.

    1. Re:An Excellent Start But More is Required by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There needs to be different minimum for varying fields. For STEM jobs $250,000 sounds about right but should a prized literary professor be making $250,000? If this distinctions aren't made, H1B should be renamed as STEM only visa.

  6. This is actually not difficult, just blame Trump by El+Cubano · · Score: 5, Insightful

    While it could be difficult to divorce the move Friday from the Trump administration's broader immigration crackdown

    It is actually not difficult at all. The default position since Trump got elected has been to blame him. This despite the fact that it makes people who are otherwise legitimate, respectable public figures seem like raving lunatics. They seem like lunatics because this is their mindless reaction to anything they think they can associate with Trump, including things (like the Yemen raid) which were planned and prepared during the Obama administration.

    For example. I just saw an article how SXSW is now facing a public backlash over an immigration-related clause in this contracts for performers. People are just skewering them, calling for boycotts, etc. They are lamenting how SXSW is part of the immigration problem and awful their support for Trump's immigration policies is. The clause has been there for four years.

    Here is some more from the Wikipedia article on Deportation and removal from the United States:

    In the 105 years between 1892 and 1997, the United States deported 2.1 million people.[2]

    Between 1997 and 2001, during the Presidency of Bill Clinton, about 870,000 people were deported from the United States.[3]

    Between 2001 and 2008, during the Presidency of George W. Bush, about 2 million people were deported from the United States.

    Between 2009 and 2016, during the Presidency of Barack Obama, about 3.2 million people were deported from the United States.[4]

    As you read that, remember that during one of his State of the Union Addresses Clinton specifically called for greater enforcement of immigration laws, and got a bipartisan standing ovation at that comment.

    Also, just a couple of years ago immigrant rights groups were calling Obama "deporter-in-chief". I wonder why that was. I seem to recall Bush being branded a racist immigrant hater and immigrants came out in droves to vote for Obama. Twice. The single biggest deception in modern politics was Obama pulling a fast one on the entire immigrant population of the US. Twice.

    Absolutely none of that matters now. Since Trump got elected, we can just project everything on to him, even if it makes the people doing so look like raving lunatics.

    Seriously, he has been in office a whopping 6 weeks. Keep this up and in a few months nobody will be listening (c.f., The Boy Who Cried Wolf). Think about that: nobody will be listening.

  7. Re:This is actually not difficult, just blame Trum by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    For example. I just saw an article how SXSW is now facing a public backlash over an immigration-related clause in this contracts for performers. People are just skewering them, calling for boycotts, etc. They are lamenting how SXSW is part of the immigration problem and awful their support for Trump's immigration policies is. The clause has been there for four years.

    They're wrong to blame Trump for that clause, but they're not wrong to be more worried about it than usual at a time when Trump is directing the INS to run around and lie to police departments if necessary to get compliance for their raiding parties.

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  8. To curb abuses... by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 4, Insightful

    USA should stop treating degrees from diploma mills in India as equivalent to degrees from accredited us universities. They can start a program to let foreign universities to undergo the same accreditation process. It pains me they treat IIT ivy league Caltech and colleges owned by Indian politicians selling degrees for cash as all the same. I am an IIT grad. I am nursing two h1b applications. One Indian from Caltech and a Chinese woman from ut Austin. It is a crime their applications go through the same lottery with crescent diploma mill, India.

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  9. Re:This is actually not difficult, just blame Trum by quonset · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The default position since Trump got elected has been to blame him.

    And the default position since Trump got elected has to been to hail him for the rise of the stock market, rising corporate profits, and better than expected GDP. So which is it? If he's going to get the kudos even though he's only been in office a few weeks he should also get the blame, right?

    things (like the Yemen raid) which were planned and prepared during the Obama administration.

    Planning is one thing, executing is another and it was Trump who gave the go ahead for the raid despite not going through the normal procedure to get an overview of what was to take place. From all reports Trump pulled this out of the hat and said, "Do it" without any thought or consideration. Even after they knew the raid had been compromised he went ahead with it. You can't blame Obama for this one. Trump said do it. He's the president and as the saying goes, "The buck stops here."

    Since Trump got elected, we can just project everything on to him, even if it makes the people doing so look like raving lunatics.

    The only one looking like a raving lunatic is Trump with his, "Fake news!" every time his words and deeds are reported, his ramblings about vote fraud despite him claiming in lawsuits to stop vote recounts there was no evidence of vote fraud so there was no need for a recount, his, "The press is the enemy of the American people" comments and of course his latest tirade-without-evidence, Obama wiretapped him during the campaign.

    If Hillary had said any of the above you would be on here pointing out she was a lunatic, yet because Trump said it we're supposed to give him a pass?

  10. Admit reality, just once by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Insightful

    has to been to hail him for the rise of the stock market

    Come on. The rise started literally the day after Trump was elected. Surely even you can admit Trump is responsible - not because of what Trump has done mind you, but what he is predicted to do.

    Regardless, Trump is responsible.

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    1. Re:Admit reality, just once by Vitriol+Angst · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Clearly the rising wages, the accelerating GDP and business optimism in 2017 will be the result of the Donald.

      I know this just as much as I know that in 2018 the budget shortfalls, the eco disasters, the alienated allies and the failing economy will be the fault of Obama

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  11. Re:On our way... by elrous0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It saddens me that people modded parent down. Do you really hate America so much that you WANT it to fail?

    I think a lot of people need to get over their self-hatred, white guilt, emo post-modern bullshit and stop being ashamed to be a citizen of the country that pioneered the modern democracy and has made huge advancements in medicine, technology, academia, etc. that have greatly benefited the entire world.

    Have we been, or will we ever be, perfect? Fuck no! But just because your country has flaws doesn't mean you can't be proud of all the great stuff we have have done (and will do). So stand up for the National Anthem. Maybe even pick up a flag and try waving it for once. And not in some hipster ironic way. Try celebrating your country in a way that says "My country created the Bill of Rights when most countries were still monarchies!"

    And that goes even more for Europe. Your countries created Western Civilization and the modern legal/human rights system and you act like that heritage is something to only be ashamed of?? WTF is wrong with you? You've focused for so long on everything you've done wrong that you've forgotten about the many more things you've done RIGHT.

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  12. Re:Well, that's one thing by Imrik · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Short term gains increase stock value, investors sell, no one involved cares what happens after that.

  13. Re: Well, that's one thing by hwstar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Oh, while we're at it, lets not forget these business community sweeteners:

    1. Employment at will. This concept is totally alien in most of the developed world.
    2. No paid sick time (OK California and a few other states have made progress).
    3. No limits on the maximum duration of the workweek. The EU's working time directive is a good start.
    4. No paid vacation or family leave. The US is quite alone here as well.
    5. Non-compete contracts where there is no severance pay guaranteed if you are laid off.
    6. Binding arbitration which denies your right to trial without a jury.

    Unless other countries adopt these business-friendly labor laws, a lot of jobs will remain here. Frankly, that has a snowball's chance in hell of happening.

  14. Re:try a dose of honesty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    > Which Muslim-run nation TOLERATES Judaism and Christianity and Buddhism and Hinduism and Atheism?

    All of them. Why do you think there so many Jews and Christian fleeing from these countries after centuries of stability? The current climate in most of these countries has gotten really xenophobic, just like it has here. But traditionally, "brothers of the book" have always been welcomed.

  15. Fake news on H1B - the "spin" begins by takochan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Though I did not vote for Trump, I have to say he is certainly right about all the fake news (on this topic at least)..

    The "spin" regarding H1B in news articles spewing out since this was announced this morning is amazing...

    Everyone (on this site at least), knows that H1B is all about getting rid of Americans in IT jobs in the USA to replace them with cheaper Indians onshore for roles that companies were not able to offshore to India for whatever reason..

    On major sites as of this morning..:

    On Google News / CNN:
    http://money.cnn.com/2017/03/0...
    "Large firms say they need the visas to bring in engineers and other high-skilled workers they can't find in the U.S. " ...the article has the above, plus a whole bunch of unrelated sob stories about people who cannot find doctors (an H1B edge case).

    again, the fake "skills shortage"..while in reality our IT grads are working in $30K annual salary jobs, Best-Buy and Starbucks because they cannot find good IT work. I know plenty of smart folks in situations like this..

    On Reuters:
    http://www.reuters.com/article...
    "The H-1B non-immigrant visa allows U.S. companies to employ graduate-level workers in several specialized fields, including information technology, medicine, engineering and mathematics." ..slightly better, but the article again fails to mention the actual issue anywhere in the piece..that virtually all the of the H1B visas issued are used by outsourcing or IT companies to replace Americans in IT roles in the USA with cheaper onshore Indians flown in from India.

    I have to hand it to him, Trump may be rather nuts overall, but he is actually doing what he said he would do, and he is the first person in office to actually address this issue (or even mention it).., which is more than you can say for either the R's or D's that have been president up to now. (I don't really consider Trump to be an 'R', either, for what its worth..he is following his own agenda mostly unrelated to the R party from what I can see..)

    Kudos to him, maybe I was wrong about him after all..

  16. Eliminate the lottery by ShoulderOfOrion · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Replace it with a salary auction for the limited number of H-1Bs available. A company would 'buy' H-1Bs by bidding a minimum yearly salary for each visa, which it would then be required to pay the visa holder for the duration of the visa. The company with the highest bid wins the visa. Cap the number of visas available such that the minimum winning bids average 10% more than the salary paid to an American worker for the same job. That would allow Google and Microsoft to buy as many of the offshore geniuses as they want (or can afford), while putting a fork in the IT outsourcing firms who game the current lottery system.

  17. Buying your way in by nicolaiplum · · Score: 4, Insightful
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  18. Re:Reactionaries by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It is nothing like "blackmail" when someone expects you to keep your end of an agreement you've signed, especially when the other party has been keeping theirs.

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  19. Re: Well, that's one thing by sabri · · Score: 2, Insightful

    20M on SSDI, 60M on food stamps, 20M felons who don't participate in anything, matches the scope of any problem in any EU country

    And you know what's the big difference? SSDI and food stamps are enough to sustain you, but you would have a better life if you were working. In most of the EUSSR, or at least my home country, you are better of not working and taking tax-payer money.

    you dense mother fucker

    Yeah, that's the compelling argument that made me rethink my position. Just as the idiots downmodding my well-argumented position that they simply disagree with.

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