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China Developing Manned Space Mission To the Moon

China is building a manned spacecraft capable of sending astronauts to the moon as well as near-Earth orbit flight, according to Chinese state media. From a report on CNBC: The official newspaper of the Ministry of Science and Technology of China cited system chief architect Zhang Bainan who claimed the craft is being designed to carry as many as six astronauts. The newspaper, Science and Technology Daily, quoted Zhang Bainan as saying China wished to catch up with international standards of space exploration. The fresh announcement follows a separate Chinese ambition to bring back samples from the moon before the end of this year.

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  1. Good for them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Good for them. At least someone is interested in getting out into space.

    1. Re:Good for them by Joce640k · · Score: 2

      Yep. I really hope they do it. Just to show up the USA for what it's become since the 1960s.

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    2. Re:Good for them by Maritz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If our species learns to live in space, it will have potential to go on indefinitely. If we stay on earth, maybe a century or two tops. That's what's "so great" about it.

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    3. Re:Good for them by Maritz · · Score: 4, Informative

      This is 2017. Ever since the shuttle retired you've been hitching a ride to the ISS with the Russians. That's what you've become since the 1960s. In addition to flaunting ignorance as the highest of all possible traits, of course.

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    4. Re:Good for them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Meh, not all Americans wear a MAGA hat. If China gets space travel going to the Moon, so much the better. It might be cheaper to use their state-of-the-art rockets to get real payloads into orbit.

      Of course, it would be nice if the US was hitting the moon again, rather than wasting cash on walls, private prisons, and no-bid contracts. However, until corporations are taxed the way they are in every other developed nation, that revenue just flies out of the US and to other countries.

    5. Re:Good for them by GLMDesigns · · Score: 2, Informative

      MAGA hat != anti-science.

      Time to start thinking for yourself.

      You do realize that the religious right (social conservatives) were not supportive of Trump. Trump was losing Utah up until the last 2 wks (not to Hillary but to Evan McMullin).

      Wanting legal (as opposed to anything-goes) immigration is not equal to anti-science and anti-technology.
      Being for free markets and capitalism as opposed to a government directed economy is not equal to anti-science and anti-technology.
      Being for individualism as opposed to SJW group-identity politics is not equal to anti-science and anti-technology.

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    6. Re:Good for them by WrongMonkey · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Our species has been living on this planet for over 200 millennia, mostly without the benefit of technology. Similar hominid species were thriving for over 3 million years. What *exactly* do you expect is going to change in the next century or two? Even if the Earth were to be hit simultaneously by global warming, nuclear war and a comet, it would still be infinitely more habitable than any known planet. We have an entire continent (Antarctica) that hasn't even begun to be colonized and you're ready to write off the whole planet.

    7. Re:Good for them by gatkinso · · Score: 2

      When I worked there I used to ask the folks at Goddard why not explore the seabed.

      They all pretty much said because that is much harder to do.

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    8. Re:Good for them by thrich81 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, right now in 2017, the USA's space program has two (2) functioning rovers on Mars, a spacecraft operating in orbit around Jupiter, a spacecraft operating in orbit around Saturn, a spacecraft operating in orbit around Ceres, a spacecraft on the way to its second encounter with a Kuiper belt object (after its flyby of Pluto), etc. If you want to review what the USA has done since the 1960's -- Since the 60's the USA has had successful missions to every planet in the Solar System, and orbiters around all of them from Mercury out to Saturn, plus five USA spacecraft are currently on their way out of the solar system. No other spacefaring nation will be able to say that anytime soon.

    9. Re:Good for them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, given what we've seen out of the Trump administration we can indeed conclude: MAGA hat == Anti-science

      The people he's recruited for appointments clearly stated they reject scientific consensus and evidence based conclusions about many very serious scientific topics.. Why just today we have the head of the EPA saying that Co2 is not a primary contributor to global warming.

      I find it even more interesting that the support you offer in evidence of your argument is a bunch of unrelated politically charged assertions and claims about a past election.

      I'm forced to conclude, indeed, MAGA hat == Anti-science

    10. Re:Good for them by thrich81 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Replying to my own post because I should have added this -- with all that said about the USA space program, I fully applaud these Chinese efforts and those of all other nations (and private organizations). There is plenty of space out there for everyone. On the plaque which the Apollo 11 mission left on the moon in 1969, it says, "We came in peace for all mankind." Totally true or not, it's the right sentiment.

  2. Not much different by sjbe · · Score: 2

    On the other, they have persistently shown that state propaganda goals are a higher priority than safety.

    That would be no different than the current US president.

  3. Re:On the One Hand... by hey! · · Score: 2

    Well, not caring much about safety will be a cost savings, not that they need it. China's current GDP is 9x larger than the US GDP was in 1969. That and given that technology has made many things cheaper, and the general outlines of how to do it have been proven, and it should be very feasible for them to mount an impressive mission.

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  4. Rip out American Flag by coinreturn · · Score: 3, Funny

    I think it'd be funny if they decided that they would rip out the American Flag and put theirs in it's place. What you going to do about it, bitch?

  5. I welcome this by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 2

    I welcome this and hope they do it because as the film "Gravity" explicitly said and the recent National Geographic series "Mars" implied if you read between the lines (the first crew to go to Mars had a Russian on it but the only Asian was Korean American... hmmm....) it's going to take this before the US ever gets serious again about manned exploration of space.

    1. Re:I welcome this by Baloroth · · Score: 2

      Manned exploration of the Moon is honestly kinda pointless. It's close enough that signal delay isn't an issue for robots, and that's one of, maybe even the *only*, advantage humans have over robots for exploration. Robots are cheaper, simpler, lighter, less fragile, easier to handle, and less likely to malfunction. Even in the 60s manned Moon missions were as much a pissing match between the US and USSR as they were a valid scientific goal. Now, if they send people to the Moon and keep them there for extended periods of time (weeks to months), I'll be impressed, and cheering them on the whole way. Long-term manned space travel, with the eventual goal of colonization, is a practically necessary step forwards in human development. Mars has some attractive aspects over the Moon, but colonization of it is well outside our capability in the near future. But we could have a long-term lunar scientific colony operating right now, if we really wanted to, and it's almost an embarrassment to mankind that we don't, nearly 50 years after Apollo 11.

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  6. Security vs security theater by sjbe · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Seems more like Turmp is interested in 'safety' to the detriment of literally everything else.

    Trump has no interest in actual safety. He has a strong interest in "security" theater. Big difference between the two. One keeps us safe and the other keeps him elected. He cares about the later. Putting a wall on the US/Mexico border will do almost nothing for safety but it will do a lot to make paranoid conservatives happy.

  7. Re:Time for Trump to beat them and beat them to ma by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Time for Trump to beat them and beat them to mars!!

    Agreed. I for one would love to see him go. :-)

  8. Pointless walls by sjbe · · Score: 2

    Why the hell a wall?

    Because it makes a bunch of racist, idiot conservatives think they are solving an actual problem. People coming here to work - the horror... Ironically they could keep all the brown skinned people out much more effectively by helping Mexico boost their economy. They come here because there aren't jobs back home. What we should worry about is if the immigrants stop wanting to come here.

    Done right, it is the same protection, with a lot less of an environmental impact.

    Conservatives don't generally give much a shit about environmental impact. They think clean air is nothing more than a liberal plot to cost them their jobs.

    Mexico's economy is booming,

    Mexico's economy is something of a mixed bag and is significantly dependent on oil prices. It's a good sized economy but has rather drastic inequality between rich and poor. Those poor are the ones coming to the US because of limited opportunities back home.

    Might even be wise to set up a Schengen Agreement allowing for US/Canada/Mexico free travel.

    WAY too much racism and paranoia in the USA for that to be realistic though I agree it isn't a bad idea. There really isn't much point in having a guarded border between the US and Canada either.

  9. Re:And it's only by coastwalker · · Score: 2

    Presumably this explains why you posted this comment on an iPhone made in China? Get real, the tech playing-field is tilting away from the West if anything. This is cultural will power, whilst you are busy building a wall against the Mexicans the Chinese will be on the moon advertising for business and guess where everybody will be going shopping?

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  10. Re:And it's only by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 3, Informative

    Looks more like twenty: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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  11. Re:updated by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 2

    There will be fire. What happens if China puts a city the size of NYC on the moon, and is the only nation to do so? Could they dominate all of terrestrial access to space including to Mars? If nuclear weapons go optical/beam (think star wars), then the moon returns to being a strategic high-ground. Don't go killing civilians.

    The moon would be almost like a star of death if that happened. We would have to team up with Ewoks to take down the shielding protecting it and destroy the moon.

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  12. Re:On the One Hand... by istartedi · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I don't think the Chinese will cut corners on this one. It's one thing to make a piece of military equipment cheaper and accept higher casualties. It's a different ball game in space. You can just throw more soldiers into a battle. You can't just throw more astronauts at the Moon. They're worth too much. It's not *just* a human life on the line. It's the cost to their international prestige and the value of contracting services to other nations. We don't use Soyuz rockets just to save money. They're also one of the most (the most?) reliable man-rated boosters. I'm sure the Chinese would love to have a business like that.

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  13. Re:Bets, anyone? by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 2

    Stopped reading at 'president', you mook; the word is PRECEDENT.

    Oh, and by the way, I forgot to mention: We (the U.S.) has already been there, repeatedly, and we left our flag planted there. We could lay claim to the Moon if we really wanted to, but we wanted to play nice with everyone else.

    Now, get your crap out of the South China Sea already; NOT YOURS, EITHER.