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Tim Berners-Lee Warns About the Web's Three Biggest Threats (webfoundation.org)

Sunday was the 28th anniversary of the day that 33-year-old Tim Berners-Lee submitted his proposal for the World Wide Web -- and the father of the web published a new letter today about "how the web has evolved, and what we must do to ensure it fulfills his vision of an equalizing platform that benefits all of humanity."

It's been an ongoing battle to maintain the web's openness, but in addition, Berners-Lee lists the following issues: 1) We've lost control of our personal data. 2) It's too easy for misinformation to spread on the web. 3) Political advertising online needs transparency and understanding. Tim Berners-Lee writes:
We must work together with web companies to strike a balance that puts a fair level of data control back in the hands of people, including the development of new technology like personal "data pods" if needed and exploring alternative revenue models like subscriptions and micropayments. We must fight against government over-reach in surveillance laws, including through the courts if necessary. We must push back against misinformation by encouraging gatekeepers such as Google and Facebook to continue their efforts to combat the problem, while avoiding the creation of any central bodies to decide what is "true" or not. We need more algorithmic transparency to understand how important decisions that affect our lives are being made, and perhaps a set of common principles to be followed. We urgently need to close the "internet blind spot" in the regulation of political campaigning.
Berners-Lee says his team at the Web Foundation "will be working on many of these issues as part of our new five year strategy," researching policy solutions and building progress-driving coalitions, as well as maintaining their massive list of digital rights organizations. "I may have invented the web, but all of you have helped to create what it is today... and now it is up to all of us to build the web we want -- for everyone." Inspired by the letter, very-long-time Slashdot reader Martin S. asks, does the web need improvements? And if so, "I'm wondering what Slashdotters would consider to be a solution?"

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  1. You can't have it both ways. by Larsen+E+Whipsnade · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Free exchange or censorship. Pick one. And besides, censorship never fixed the problem of fake news. The only solution to fake news is for readers not to be gullible.

    Want a second opinion? Here's one: HTTP and HTML are getting long in the tooth, and Javascript is bloat. Maybe it's time to come up with a new stack? Something with better controls for deep linking and embedding, and better support for distributed/cached store-and-forward, and mechanisms so Web 2.0 doesn't have to be such a bolt-on kluge. Maybe a decentralized reputation system so we can choose our own echo chambers more readily.

    I'm disappointed that after all these years Tim speaks mainly in slogans and generalities, and still can't avoid contradicting himself. Let's show him how it's done by talking brass tacks.

    1. Re:You can't have it both ways. by Z00L00K · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I don't mind HTTP and HTML, they work reasonably well. The problem is all the ads injected/embedded from other sites than the source site.

      What really worries me is that today some media outlets instead develops their own apps for reading their content where they claim that it will be a faster and better experience. I don't trust them and I see a risk with installation of apps because then the app has more ability to do suspect stuff on my device than what's normally possible with HTML and some JavaScript.

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    2. Re:You can't have it both ways. by KiloByte · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Especially that he, himself, allowed EME into the standard, when he could stop it.

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    3. Re:You can't have it both ways. by grumbel · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The big issue I have with HTML is that it's useless for publishing larger content, like books or even just multi-page articles. Thanks to hyper links it is of course possible to add some Next/Prev buttons to a webpage to represent such content, but those links are just hacks, not markup. eReader have developed their own formats (.ePub, .mobi, iBook, etc.) for accomplishing this task, but while they often are little more than a .zip with .html files, none of them are proper part of the Web and your regular web browser won't read them.

      HTML had <link rel="next/prev"...> markup going back to HTML2.0, but it was never properly supported by any browser or developed into something that would be powerful enough to replace .ePub and Co. This to me is one of the big failures of the Web that nobody really talks about. The Web should be the place where you publish content, it should be the replacement of paper, but instead people are forced to use .ePub or .PDF for that task, as plain old HTML isn't doing the job.

      The other elephant in the room are of course the hyper links. The Web still lacks any kind of content-addressability, it's all location based, thus when server go down or it's URL layout changes, all your hyperlinks break. Basic tasks like linking to a specific paragraph from another article are also not possible with HTML. Project Xanadu never got much traction, but it's really time for the Web to learn a thing or two from what they tried to accomplish back then.

  2. Conspicuously absent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Missing from his list:

    • DRM
  3. I used to think he seemed reasonable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    #1 threat to the web: Tim Berners-Lee endorsing DRM into web standards
    It's also pretty funny that he thinks misinformation is some new problem because Trump was elected or whatever - Information on the web has always been wildly untrustworthy, it's just that the dumb shit public have been gradually brainwashed by massive corporations to accept it as some authoritative source to sell more advertising.

    1. Re:I used to think he seemed reasonable by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 2

      The alternative to providing a DRM option in the web standard is Flash/Silverlight, or something similar, can you explain how what he endorsed is any worse?

      That is one of the alternatives.

      Another alternative, which is even better, is in HTML5 right now: the audio and video tags. No DRM, pure functionality. 100% win. Don't use DRM, and your content gets to comply with standards, so you have the largest customer base possible. That maximizes revenue. Every deviation from this approach, should be viewed in terms of how much revenue you trade away, exchange for .. uh .. whatever-the-fuck it is, that media producers get by reducing the number of customers who can buy their product.

      Yet another alternative approach would be to have an actual DRM standard, such as rot13. Since everyone would be able to implement it and it wouldn't require any weird hardware or proprietary trade secrets, you'd get maximum compatibility across all platforms and devices; it'd be just as good as not having DRM at all. Everyone wins. Had he endorsed this compromise, people wouldn't be flaming him.

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  4. That's a bit more like it. by Larsen+E+Whipsnade · · Score: 2

    Much more worth talking about.

    https://solid.mit.edu/

  5. HTTP and HTML by Larsen+E+Whipsnade · · Score: 2

    One objection I have is they're not well suited to binary data. This content-encoding stuff seems klugey and inefficient. But that's not a deal breaker.

    Deep linking and embedding is what makes all sorts of problems possible. Cross site scripting, linked images that bog down page loads, tracker pixels and dead links.

    Suppose cross site embedding and scripting were disallowed? Just don't support them in the browser - or at least not without a click to bring up an image. The infrastructure for ads would have to be overhauled, yes. A price worth paying.

    Suppose there were restrictions on deep linking, so that a site could explicitly state what is or isn't exported? That way a Web developer could overhaul his logic any time without fear of breaking other sites' links into his site. I can't endorse making Referer mandatory, so a custom browser can bypass this easily, but... that's the user's responsibility.

    Yes, I'm talking about limiting options. Options to do things that we've all established were bad ideas. That's why we have laws. Some laws, anyway. And RFCs. And call gates and page protection and user permissions. Make it harder to shoot yourself or someone else in the foot, and we can have (reasonable) freedom without (needless) fear. Seek the best balance by considering things on a case-by-case basis,

    Maximum sustainable freedom by means of rules that make sense.

  6. Contraditions in the Same Sentence by Kunedog · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm disappointed that after all these years Tim speaks mainly in slogans and generalities, and still can't avoid contradicting himself. Let's show him how it's done by talking brass tacks.

    This.

    From the summary:

    We must push back against misinformation by encouraging gatekeepers such as Google and Facebook to continue their efforts to combat the problem, while avoiding the creation of any central bodies to decide what is "true" or not.

    That is literally what "gatekeeper" means, Tim.

  7. Eternal September goes on and on by Martin+S. · · Score: 2

    Fake News is the new name for the same old problem, we used to call it yellow journalism, we saw over Eternal September and the same moral panic.

    Eternal September highlighted the tension between two contrasting trends. The Internet was built on the free exchange of ideas and information. While the natural consequence of this, increasing availability, actually lowered the overall quality of the content. Panic ensued.

    Some of us came to recognised that what was needed was to strike a balance, not choose between two stark choices. We saw was the average quality trending toward the mean, not simply going down.

    Should we panic because the average number of balls in the working population is trending toward one? No we should be looking behind the headline to identify the reality and raise the mean.

  8. DRM, Tim... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    fair level of data control

    Unfortunately, Tim Burners-Lee has come out in favor of DRM in the HTML standard recently. As such, any "fair level of control" strikes me to essentially be "the corporation gets everything except for what they deign fit for us peons." Ultimately, that's what DRM is in practice.

    At this point, I can't help but wonder if he's being paid off somehow. Very, very few people who advocate a "free and open web" would put DRM anywhere near it, because they're aware that it's pretty much a contradiction. This only furthers the perpetuation of the copyright laws that are already grossly biased in favor of large corporations at the great expense of just about everyone else. One of those expenses is the "free and open web" itself, if they get their way.

  9. Small details. by DrYak · · Score: 3, Interesting

    We must push back against misinformation by encouraging gatekeepers such as Google and Facebook to continue their efforts to combat the problem,

    Notice the plural (emphasis mine)

    while avoiding the creation of any central bodies to decide what is "true" or not.

    That is literally what "gatekeeper" means, Tim.

    There's a subtle difference :
    - Tim wants the companies (plural) spreading informations/news to do a little bit of work to help assess the reliability of facts in the links that people pass around.
    - Tim does not want a single central entity becoming the official authority on all truth (he doesn't want a central "Ministry of Truth").

    They aren't contradictory.
    But without paying attention, there's a risk that one devolves into the other.

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    1. Re:Small details. by nukenerd · · Score: 3, Insightful

      We must push back against misinformation by encouraging gatekeepers such as Google and Facebook to continue their efforts to combat the problem,

      Notice the plural (emphasis mine)

      - Tim wants the companies (plural) spreading informations/news to do a little bit of work to help assess the reliability of facts in the links that people pass around.
      - Tim does not want a single central entity becoming the official authority on all truth (he doesn't want a central "Ministry of Truth").

      Having plural gatekeepers does not solve the problem. "Plural" in practice means jerks like Zuckerberg, Gates, Cook, Nadella and Pichai being in control of gatekeeping. These are people who, as senior company officers, only their boards or shareholdes could remove : such actions in companies are very rare and even more rare over anything ethical, or their influence is not removable at all if they hold a massive share of the company (as in Gates' case). How is that any better than an independent single body that could be more easily changed?

    2. Re:Small details. by moeinvt · · Score: 2

      "How is that any better than an independent single body that could be more easily changed?"

      What makes you think that a single, centralized gatekeeper could be "more easily changed"? How would that system work and who would get to make the changes?

      I'm open to ideas, but trusting any single body with the mission of defining "misinformation" seems really dangerous. That's a huge amount of power and I think it would be extremely vulnerable to corruption and abuse. Imagine what it would be worth to big corporations to get their representatives in place as the single arbiters of truth/reality? They would be looking at every possible way to influence whatever system you created to establish and change that "independent" single body.

      Creating that single body as a government agency would be totally insane for obvious reasons. I think that's what he was warning about when he said we can't put the control under a "central authority". Just picture the idea of a Donald Trump or a Hillary Clinton appointing the person who will run the federal "Ministry of Truth"? Scratch the idea of making the single body changeable via the electoral process.

      At least with the plural "gatekeepers" model with individual corporations controlling their own services, we have some degree of choice.