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Google Wants To Use AI To Cut the UK's Electric Bill By 10 Percent (popularmechanics.com)

The Google-owned firm artificial intelligence company DeepMind is in talks with the National Grid about a potential partnership, with the possibility of using the technology to make the supply of energy across the UK more efficient. From a report: Google Deepmind is opening talks with the UK government to use the company's artificial intelligence to reduce energy use by up to 10 percent. Artificial intelligence is highly adept at spotting patterns and making predictions that are much too small and subtle for humans to pick out, which lets AIs to micromanage systems with far greater efficiency than any human engineer could hope to achieve. For instance, Google is currently using Deepmind's AI to control its server rooms, where it manages windows, fan speeds, air conditioning, and more than a hundred other factors to save Google hundreds of millions of dollars in electricity costs.

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  1. That sweet sweet big data. by Neuroelectronic · · Score: 2

    So Google wants UK's energy usage information? Fascinating.

  2. Transparently obvious ploy for literal power by SuperKendall · · Score: 5, Funny

    No-one else concerned that an AI wants to reduce human use of power so there will be more available for its own processing? No?

    In fact from the article itself, we find that Google is not even involved in making this request:

    Google Deepmind is opening talks with the UK government

    I mean, holy shit!

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  3. The past is not always a good guide to the future by petes_PoV · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Artificial intelligence is highly adept at spotting patterns and making predictions that are much too small and subtle for humans to pick out

    But all the patterns that AI extracts are historical. They all assume that the events in the future will be caused by, and will act out, the same things that happened in the past.

    We have seen this with computerised trading: that all they can do is find a past pattern of actions and try to fit that to what is happening now and will continue into the future. AIs have no ability to understand when the rules have changed, or when new and previously unseen conditions need to be applied.

    The UKs electricity generation often runs very, very, close to its limits in the winter. Mainly due to cost-cutting: why spend money on maintaining plant and excess capacity when it won't be used?

    To employ AI to shave further percentage points and thereby run even closer to the limits simply reduces the margin for the unexpected. And being unexpected, you can't blame an AI for not spotting those patterns in the past.

    A dangerous game.

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  4. Re:The past is not always a good guide to the futu by DamonHD · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Artificial intelligence is highly adept at spotting patterns and making predictions that are much too small and subtle for humans to pick out

    But all the patterns that AI extracts are historical. They all assume that the events in the future will be caused by, and will act out, the same things that happened in the past.

    The recent past remains statistically a good guide to the near future. Contingency plans deal with the rest. Using the former better saves money and makes the latter *less* likely.

    We have seen this with computerised trading: that all they can do is find a past pattern of actions and try to fit that to what is happening now and will continue into the future. AIs have no ability to understand when the rules have changed, or when new and previously unseen conditions need to be applied.

    The UKs electricity generation often runs very, very, close to its limits in the winter. Mainly due to cost-cutting: why spend money on maintaining plant and excess capacity when it won't be used?

    To employ AI to shave further percentage points and thereby run even closer to the limits simply reduces the margin for the unexpected. And being unexpected, you can't blame an AI for not spotting those patterns in the past.

    A dangerous game.

    It's more likely about better scheduling/forecasting than cutting any reserve.

    Cover for the largest expected single generator failure were increased when Sizewell (nuke) and then Longannet (coal) tripped in close succession in 2008. Maybe better modelling would have had the increased cover in place *before* then and 500,000 people would not have lost power.

    Rgds

    Damon

    PS. BTW, I worked with low-latency traders. I suspect it doesn't work quite how you imagine.

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  5. Re:AI wants control over the power... by PPH · · Score: 2

    Look what happened when they tried to shut down Colossus and Guardian

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  6. Hmm by easyTree · · Score: 2

    [Disclaimer, I've not read TFS]

    Figure out how much of each user's electricity bill is due to google ads and arrange for compensation directly into our bank accounts?

  7. Re: and inevitable by Enigma2175 · · Score: 2

    Where from come the non-African witch-doctor vaccine skeptics?

    Andrew Jeremy Wakefield (born 1957) is a British former gastroenterologist and medical researcher who was struck off the UK medical register for his fraudulent 1998 research paper, and other proven charges of misconduct, in support of the now-discredited claim that there was a link between the administration of the measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) vaccine, and the appearance of autism and bowel disease.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    Hmm, the guy who wrote the book for anti-vaxxers was from the UK, maybe you should reconsider your "Americans are the reason all bad things happen on the planet" stance.

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