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Physicist Declassifies Rescued Nuclear Test Films (llnl.gov)
Eloking quotes a report from Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory: The U.S. conducted 210 atmospheric nuclear tests between 1945 and 1962, with multiple cameras capturing each event at around 2,400 frames per second. But in the decades since, around 10,000 of these films sat idle, scattered across the country in high-security vaults. Not only were they gathering dust, the film material itself was slowly decomposing, bringing the data they contained to the brink of being lost forever. For the past five years, Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory (LLNL) weapon physicist Greg Spriggs and a crack team of film experts, archivists and software developers have been on a mission to hunt down, scan, reanalyze and declassify these decomposing films. The goals are to preserve the films' content before it's lost forever, and provide better data to the post-testing-era scientists who use computer codes to help certify that the aging U.S. nuclear deterrent remains safe, secure and effective. To date, the team has located around 6,500 of the estimated 10,000 films created during atmospheric testing. Around 4,200 films have been scanned, 400 to 500 have been reanalyzed and around 750 have been declassified. An initial set of these declassified films -- tests conducted by LLNL -- were published today in an LLNL YouTube playlist.
Is a musical montage.
The entire collection is gonna need a montage.
Montage!
Don't you fools realize these were all done by RUSSIANS!?!?!?!
The RUSSIANS have taken over!!!!
https://nuclearsecrecy.com/nuk...
Dialectician. Archology.
It's pedantic but the physicist did not declassify them, he petitioned the DoD to declassify them and they did. It's a minor detail but the difference usually results in you moving to Russia to live in exile with your hot stripper^H^H^H^H^H dancer girlfriend. On second thought, maybe he shouldn't have contacted the DoD.
Yes, but this story is about nuclear test films, not DDT.
are da bomb!
Literally!
My ism, it's full of beliefs.
The 50 years of post WWII peace and stability in the world that these tests have blessed us with is well worth the 'poison' it generated, which has had minimal measurable impact on the world. In exchange, millions of lives have been saved that would have otherwise been lost in wars.
Something very important is missed in the context however.
Before nuclear bombs, did people die from cancer? Was there a lower incidence of cancer? No.
With Chernobyl and Fukushima leaking and irradiating the environment, did they increase the incidents of cancer? Yes.
The more dangerous thing was never the bombs, per se, but unfettered use of the bombs. The Nuclear reactors were always more dangerous, and much more attractive targets. So 1 nuclear bomb + 1 nuclear reactor = uncontrolled nuclear reaction with an unpredictable result.
Which is to say, we can have the bombs, or the reactors. Not both. If the crazyballs idiots like Trump and Kim Jung Un decide to launch one, that is the end of civilization. Game over. As much as Putin is dangerous, he's not an unhinged crazyballs idiot like Trump.
A meth team will get at least 30% more work done in the same amount of time.
The 50 years of post WWII peace and stability in the world that these tests have blessed us with is well worth the 'poison' it generated, which has had minimal measurable impact on the world. In exchange, millions of lives have been saved that would have otherwise been lost in wars.
The instability of both WWI and WWII was fostered and profited from by the global elite. During WWII American interests sold fuel, Aluminum (straight from Alcoa!) and other war supplies to the Nazis. The Bush family fortune is based upon a corporation that Prescott Bush operated whose purpose was to launder money and funnel it to Hitler's S.S. The corporation was shut down but Prescott was allowed to retain over one million dollars in ill-gotten goods, and the rest is history. We knew the holocaust was occurring but our precious leaders felt that our people had little stomach for another war so soon after WWI and actively profited from the state of affairs instead of intervening. The USA has been at war with someone (whether properly declared or not, we're talking deployments, boots on the ground, shots fired) ever since.
TL;DR: There has been no era of peace and stability. There have only been proxy wars fought in other countries.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
The 50 years of post WWII peace and stability in the world that these tests have blessed us with is well worth the 'poison' it generated, which has had minimal measurable impact on the world. In exchange, millions of lives have been saved that would have otherwise been lost in wars.
Arguing by counterfactuals is no arguing at all.
Make your time
Cancer.
Atom bomb baby baby, atom bomb...
- Dan
Odd. I thought 2017-1945 was 72, not 50.
Thanks for the alternative-history fiction. Do you have anything to say about the real world?
The solution to pollution is dilution.
Oh you're so right those peasants SO should've seen it coming...
When some own them they are called deterrents when others seek then they are called weapons.
>There has been no era of peace and stability
Well to be fair, this is pretty much human history. Peace has happened when groups were unaware of each other or too far away to be intertwined with. No reason to point fingers at the US exclusively. (though it is fashionable to).
Thanks for the alternative-history fiction. Do you have anything to say about the real world?
Point to the part you don't like and I'll provide a citation. But if you can't find it with google, perhaps Slashdot is not for you, because everything I said above is trivially supported with a search and absolutely none of it is far-out woo-woo conspiracy theorist schlock. You will find references in reputable publications with even the most trivial of invested effort.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Ahh, the ole Bush helped the Nazis kill jews bit.
Yes, that old bit, in which it is revealed that Prescott Bush could not possibly have not known what he was doing. In fact, a number of corporations willingly cooperated with the Nazis. Without their assistance, the axis could not have made war effectively. Naturally, every one of these corporations has tried to disclaim responsibility for what their German divisions were up to, but the ongoing relationships between such entities during the war make that difficult. The service contract for the concentration camp management machines was paid straight to IBM's American operations in Armonk, NY, for example.
It is a fact (simple or not) that American interests willfully and thus traitorously aided the axis for profit. And it is a fact that Prescott Bush was among them.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Maybe, but the other side has plenty of problems too. Lets stop this "us against them" bullshit arguing and realize that both sides suck terribly in their own ways. Forget the parties and think for your self.
No reason to point fingers at the US exclusively. (though it is fashionable to).
That's not what that statement was doing. That statement only took issue with giving a technology credit for something it hadn't accomplished. I point fingers at the US because I live here, and thus I have ready access to information about what we've done. If I knew more than a couple of words of German,* maybe I'd be reading their websites and figuring out e.g. who owned the newspapers in Germany when Hitler rose to power, how they covered him and why, etc etc. What's interesting in the USA is questions like did we help fund/equip The Holocaust, did we know an attack was coming to Pearl Harbor, etc etc.
* Translation tools are amazing but still frustrating
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Yes, Bush DID know. That was my point. When he did know he got out of his German holdings and sold them to Joe Kennedy.
So you are not even attempting to refute my points. Bush helped until Hitler went crazy, then Kennedy jumped on board making millions and millions. You go on a rant about Bush and $1million, and ignore the probably $100 million Kennedy made.
Your arguments are invalid because of this. Now you are willingly lying because I told you the truth and you repeated your lie. You are a horrible person that thinks if a Kennedy gets rich killing jews then it is ok, but if a Bush stops making money because jews are killed he is evil.
I really don't know how people like you live with yourself.
The 50 years of post WWII peace and stability in the world that these tests have blessed us with is well worth the 'poison' it generated, which has had minimal measurable impact on the world. In exchange, millions of lives have been saved that would have otherwise been lost in wars.
Relying on nuclear weapons to suppress human conflict is like when the National Park Service meticulously suppressed every forest fire.
Things went great for a while, until unburned fuel built up and got out of hand in a catastrophic conflagration that was far worse than what the sum of all the smaller fires would have been.
Which "American interests" sold those things to Nazis during WW2? Which corporation operated by Prescott Bush were you referring to? If they're not far-out woo-woo theories, why doesn't Bush's Wikipedia page say more about those things than noting that similar claims were debunked long ago?
That's a lot of atmospheric testing. I wonder how much of that caused the destruction of the ozone layer.
Once Spriggs did complete the first scans and roll his sleeves up for the analysis, he discovered that much of the data published were wrong. All the films would need to be reanalyzed.
"When you go to validate your computer codes, you want to use the best data possible," Spriggs said. "We were finding that some of these answers were off by 20, maybe 30, percent. That's a big number for doing code validation. One of the payoffs of this project is that we're now getting very consistent answers. We've also discovered new things about these detonations that have never been seen before. New correlations are now being used by the nuclear forensics community, for example."
I'm pretty sure that's because the FBI pressured them to publish modified information. In recent years they wanted to cut about a third of one man's book on nuclear physics.
Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
... but a lot of these seem different. I can't help but think that they were held back because of how terrifying the imagery is. Some in particular (https://goo.gl/PviFuq , https://goo.gl/cl1QlR) look like the bomb is creating a sun on Earth which then begins to destroy the Earth. If these videos were available in the 70's, 80's, or 90s, I think nuclear disarmament would have been a much more attainable goal because the severity of the risk would have been even more understood.
Wait... did you just put forward the case for having lots more world wars using conventional weapons? Because that's kind of the direction it looks like you're going there.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar
--I literally copied and pasted your second sentence from operated to bush into google and chose the second response.
Relying on nuclear weapons to suppress human conflict is like when the National Park Service meticulously suppressed every forest fire.
Things went great for a while, until unburned fuel built up and got out of hand in a catastrophic conflagration that was far worse than what the sum of all the smaller fires would have been.
Wait... did you just put forward the case for having lots more world wars using conventional weapons? Because that's kind of the direction it looks like you're going there.
It's ok. Just like regular forest fires, regular world wars with conventional weapons will just clear out all the dead wood! How could we have missed this? Here we've had relative peace and prosperity for 70 years, but now that we know it's propped up with the human equivalent of dead leaves and brush, can we really continue?
GPP's analogy was bad and he should feel bad.
No, I'm just pointing out what's probably going to end up happening to those who think that nuclear weapons are some kind of fix for human behavior.
but now that we know it's propped up with the human equivalent of dead leaves and brush, can we really continue?
We may not continue that long if people like Donald Trump and Kim Jong Un stay true to their nature and start acting like kids playing with Zippo lighters.
My analogy is spot on. 70 years of fortunate luck (despite multiple very close calls) proves nothing.
1. You single out the Bush family for dealing with Nazis, but carefully omit Joseph Kennedy's role in appeasement.
2. Nuclear weapons kept those proxy wars and "police actions" from becoming full blown conflicts that engulf entire continents again, due to the unthinkable results of a conventional conflict turning to the use of strategic weapons.
Lets summarize your comments...
If you stop helping Germany when they kill millions of Jews, you are evil incarnate.
If you start helping Germany after they start to kill millions of Jews, you aren't worth mentioning.
I see the issue now. You agreed with Hitler and hate anyone that stopped helping him when he began killing Jews. You probably think if Bush kept helping Hitler, that Hitler would have been able to finish the job and that is why he is so evil.
Just another liberal anti-Semite jew hating, minority suppressing, DNC voter. I remember back in the day when anti-Semite liberals tried to hide their views. I guess times have changed and it is now acceptable to applaud what Hitler did as long as you support the DNC. Just like threatening the president and first lady is also now acceptable if you support the DNC.
How things have changed.
My analogy is spot on.
Either it was a bad analogy, or you are seriously saying we need to kill off tens to hundreds of millions of people every couple of decades.
My bad for assuming you weren't a monster.
That's not an option. Unlike the park service, we can't put the genie back in the bottle and go back to the old ways, because nukes are already spread all over the world and they're not going away.
However, if there were no nukes, killing tens of millions every few decades would be preferable to introducing nukes and then eventually killing off most of the human race in a big holocaust every century or two., which is what's almost certainly going to eventually happen now.
Yes, but this story is about nuclear test films, not LSD.
FTFY.
What about when the secret weapon is a great pair of tits? I'm sure a few soldiers have been taken down by some 36D's.
Thyssen was not the SS. He grew disillusioned with the Nazis after the Night Of The Long Knives. (He should have seen them for what they were earlier, of course.). The Guardian story is long on innuendo, and utterly lacking in details beyond what is presented in a much more objective way in Prescott Bush's Wikipedia page.
2. Nuclear weapons kept those proxy wars and "police actions" from becoming full blown conflicts that engulf entire continents again,
That, sir, is a matter of opinion, and not a fact. International wars do not happen without the approval of the power elite — the robber barons of the military-industrial complex, the top echelons of international bankers, and the other usual culprits, because it's not possible to engage in such wars without their complicity. It is equally plausible that nuclear war is simply not in the best interests of these individuals any more than wars on their own soil, which is why we have proxy wars in third-world countries instead. Meanwhile, nothing absolutely precludes sufficient nutters getting their hands on enough equipment and information to actually launch one of these bad boys and kick off a nuclear holocaust that reduces humanity to a bunch of naked apes hiding in caves full of shit and eating mushrooms. Not that I have a plan for making all the nukes go away or anything, any more than I have one for making all the guns go away. That's why I have guns. It doesn't make me think they make the world a better place.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
My father flew in numerous atmospheric nuclear detonations in both the Pacific as well as Nevada. At one time we had his film that was taken but deteriorating of these tests. We transferred these color test observations to VHS and I assume would be still in reasonable viewing if needed for your retention. I could also provide a more historical narrative to his capacity in these tests as well.