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Google's New Campus Will Open Its Restaurants To The Public (recode.net)

Google's new 18-acre campus will feature a 595,000-square foot building for 2,400 employees, most of them engineers -- and its bottom floor will be open to the public. An anonymous reader quotes Recode: People will be able to walk through the middle of the building, where they can shop in retail stores and dine at cafes also frequented by Googlers... A summary of plans from Google also describes spaces for workshops and demonstrations of new technologies such as virtual reality. Visitors might encounter a pop-up store devoted to virtual reality or demonstrations of smart-home devices made by Alphabet subsidiary Nest, according to the spokesperson... This is the first time Google has built a campus from the ground up...

Generally speaking, Bay Area tech companies have tended to of cut their workplaces off from the communities surrounding them. Employees take private buses to their campuses, and stay on-site for non-work activities like meals in private cafeterias and exercise classes. Google offers similar amenities to its employees, but makes its open, grassy areas open to anyone.

The San Francisco Chronicle reports Google's new building will be "shaped to resemble a puffy white cloud, with solar panels on the roof... The campus also will have a plaza where the public can soak in performances."

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  1. AKA: Google Destroys local business by s.petry · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I work in SF, I'll keep the name safe, for a company who does not provide food perks. The reason they don't is that it destroys local businesses. I was not really sure about the impact until Google opened an office not far away. The bottom floors of most buildings in SF are local restaurants. Within a few months of Google opening with free food for their employees, the bottom of the building was vacant. Hundreds of jobs lost, from cooks and restaurant workers to food delivery and cleaning services.

    Not that Google cares mind you, as is obvious with this new deal.

    The populace does not need this, and it creates a public dependence on Google. So much for the small guy and competition.

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    1. Re: AKA: Google Destroys local business by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Just the free market working as intended. Get over it.

    2. Re:AKA: Google Destroys local business by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But those Google employees still eat, right? Meaning somebody cooks for them, cleans, etc. In other words, the jobs moved elsewhere, that's all.

    3. Re: AKA: Google Destroys local business by Entrope · · Score: 1

      Google opened an office, and because they provided free food for their employees who used to work in other places, local restaurants closed?

    4. Re: AKA: Google Destroys local business by sdinfoserv · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Don't think for a second the food is "free" : Google is retaining their staff on premise - less chance of someone eavesdropping on a call / conversation or shoulder surfing a laptop. Staff members continue to work over lunch since they're on the campus anyway and can have meetings while eating. Also offering dinner allows (encourages) staffers to put in longer hours not having to run out for meals. No, this is strictly an efficiency / security decision by the corporate overlord.

    5. Re: AKA: Google Destroys local business by Octorian · · Score: 1

      Many of these large campuses are in places where it really isn't very convenient to go outside for lunch. Usually because they're a bit outside the main downtown areas, and nothing good is within walking distance. (Parking is usually enough of a hassle that no one wants to leave by car just to get lunch.) This is definitely the case for the Facebook campus, and may also be the case for the main Google campus.

      That being said, I've also had the opportunity to work directly in Downtown Mountain View. There were plenty of local restaurants we liked to frequent, and it worked out quite well. Of course as we grew, they did start up with the whole office catering thing, but without the scale of a big campus we tired of it really quickly. So we'd basically find any excuse to still eat outside the office.

    6. Re: AKA: Google Destroys local business by Entrope · · Score: 1

      Free, gratis, or even if the employees had to pay, it doesn't matter to the dynamics of the local restaurant market. What matters is that a new corporate office opened up, presumably bringing new employees, but it doesn't make sense for these new employees eating in the building where they work to cause the local restaurants to close.

    7. Re: AKA: Google Destroys local business by s.petry · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure if you know how a city works, but buildings already exist. "Opening an Office" means that you take over as the lease holder for floors in a building. Google took over occupancy of the building which killed the local market. The prior tenant did not provide gratis food, which meant that the bottom floor was busy with restaurants and small shops.

      Google does not come in and buy up the restaurants or retain the employees. They put the shops out of business, and if they happen to need workers in the future Google "may" hire them. The amount of people Google needs to hire is far less than the local business, and all of the management money goes to Google instead of local shop owners.

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    8. Re: AKA: Google Destroys local business by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google provides food perks. BFD. If Google's CFO had its way they wouldn't, just because. Most companies don't do this purely and solely for financial reasoning or justification. (executive- and management-only meetings may often have catered or box lunches brought in though... funny that. "It's only a few of us" and all that...).
      I work now in downtown Portland, OR. An in-house meals perk would probably be a disincentive, if only because there are so many different and great places to get lunch etc. here.
      The pure business side is simply that Google is monetizing yet another Google app or product... sure it has some nice knock-on side effects, goodwill etc...

    9. Re: AKA: Google Destroys local business by Hans+Lehmann · · Score: 1

      Wish I had mod points. Google isn't doing this for the benefit of anyone except Google.

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    10. Re: AKA: Google Destroys local business by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Don't go unless you want to be a lab rat, I mean that seriously, the intention is as invasive as fuck. All behaviours, conversations, meal choices, menu and meal changes (tweaking meals for reactions), monitored and recorded, it is who they are.

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    11. Re:AKA: Google Destroys local business by OldMugwump · · Score: 1

      I don't see how there were "hundreds of jobs lost". Google had to hire "cooks and restaurant workers to food delivery and cleaning services" to do this, didn't they?

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    12. Re: AKA: Google Destroys local business by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's an 18 acre campus. You think they leased that and it was already pre-existing? Don't be dumb

    13. Re: AKA: Google Destroys local business by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is a new building in a commercial tech park. There aren't local businesses to quash.

      Mountain View has a nice downtown with nice restaurants. This won't threaten them, or the few restaurants on the fringes of the commercial strip that already service Google employees and others from the area.

      I don't know about the economics of making the food an employee perk, but I do know if every employee had to either brown bag it or leave the area for lunch it would make all of Mountain View an unmitigated traffic snarl from 7am to 7pm, not just the main roads near the freeways during the rush hours.

      I also don't really see this as a huge attraction to the general public. The campuses are nice enough, but it's still a commercial work area. Maybe employee's families will be entertained there. Maybe events will attract folk, and maybe a few curious people will stroll through, but the downtown or other concentrations of restaurants is where I'd expect most non employees to continue to gather.

      I could be wrong. It could end up enough like a mall to attract outside interest to have a mix of regular public and employee, but I figure the businesses will exist largely due to their proximity to Google employees, not the general public.

    14. Re:AKA: Google Destroys local business by slew · · Score: 1

      But those Google employees still eat, right? Meaning somebody cooks for them, cleans, etc. In other words, the jobs moved elsewhere, that's all.

      Of course when we eliminate all public jobs, we can all work for the communist state (or the company store, take your pick). It might be more efficient, but not the command economy world I want to live in... Basically Google is unintentionally walmart-ing a food mono-culture, is that how we want to live?

      Also, and this isn't often brought up, but giving a untaxed fringe lunch benefit to their employees, Google is circumventing taxes by eliminating sales tax (that would be collected by local businesses) and payroll tax (that employees would have to pay on the money Google gives them for "free" lunch) from a more normal economic exchange. Thus they are really robbing from the community.

    15. Re: AKA: Google Destroys local business by s.petry · · Score: 1

      In other words, you selectively chose which part of the conversation to jump in on and are lost.

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    16. Re: AKA: Google Destroys local business by s.petry · · Score: 1

      Selective reading. I gave the example of a SF office and impact on local restaurants. Google's campus is not far from Mountain View's downtown with many dozens of restaurants. It will impact them too.

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    17. Re: AKA: Google Destroys local business by Octorian · · Score: 1

      For an office in downtown SF, I definitely agree with your point. Encouraging employees to go outside the office for lunch is a good thing.

      But Google's Mountain View office is several miles away from downtown Mountain View. Its too far to walk (in a reasonable amount of time), and I really don't think you want any notable percentage of Google's workforce driving between their campus and the downtown area at lunch time. Parking would be a nightmare on both ends, and the roads would clog up enough that walking might end up faster.

    18. Re: AKA: Google Destroys local business by Dripdry · · Score: 1

      Hewitt did this for years. It's called treating employees well. It may or may not be a tax benefit, but tons of other companies have done this before. Wtf Slashdot?

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    19. Re: AKA: Google Destroys local business by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An 18 acre campus is not taking over occupancy of a building and killing the local market. You can't build 18 acres of anything if the buisnesses you are looking to displace are worth a ton of money already (ie try this trick in Manhattan). Your point makes no sense in the context of the article, which is about building a campus (which will have many buildings). If there were a thriving metropolis of restaurants and office buildings already there, it wouldn't make monetary sense to do.

      Don't be dumb

    20. Re:AKA: Google Destroys local business by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      I was just thinking that I hope the locals like Curry.

    21. Re: AKA: Google Destroys local business by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      Then Carly Fiorina H1B'd over 30,000 HP employees. That was good business too.

    22. Re: AKA: Google Destroys local business by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Offering products at below cost is not the free market.

    23. Re: AKA: Google Destroys local business by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wanted to help so I switched to Bing. It's the least I could do.

    24. Re:AKA: Google Destroys local business by SvnLyrBrto · · Score: 1

      Except Google, unlike a communist state or Walmart, pays better than restaurants do... including as part of the compensation package stock options that have made multimillionaires out of their chefs. People who make more money also pay more income tax. I'm not going to guess at the numbers, but that would at least partially mitigate the "ZOMG they're not paying sales tax at the restaurants" hit; especially considering that income tax is mandatory where the sales tax could be averted by bringing lunch (prepared from untaxed groceries) from home and whatnot.

      Also, if the GP is referring to the Google offices I think he is; the food options in the vicinity were pretty grim before they moved in anyway. A Gordon Biersch Brewery restaurant was the highlight of the area. And that's hardly something you'd want to eat on a regular basis.

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    25. Re:AKA: Google Destroys local business by Steffan · · Score: 1

      > Within a few months of Google opening with free food for their employees, the bottom of the building was vacant

      I'm a bit skeptical...The restaurants were doing fine *before* Google opened up, and then suddenly all of their existing customers went away?

    26. Re: AKA: Google Destroys local business by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cutting out a time-consuming chore (finding food) from every employee in the middle of the work days is good both for employees and the employer. Not everything in life is a zero-sum game.

      Signed, a Google employee who would now find it very hard to ever go work for a company that does not provide good meals on campus

    27. Re: AKA: Google Destroys local business by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only the appyest of all appy apps can app apps for local businesses for food, delivery, and cleaning. Everything else is luddite, since there always will be a finite amount of easy work that can be automated. Apps!

    28. Re: AKA: Google Destroys local business by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google is retaining their staff on premise -

      Previously that was the problem. Google's staff never left the campus and thus could not participate in that most vital of carrer and industry tasks: Networking.

      This decision has more to do with allowing "anonymous" access to industry and government officials for lunchtime meetings than it does anything else.

      Hang around an (expensive) cafe near government buildings sometime. They discuss and negotiate policies over the table.

    29. Re: AKA: Google Destroys local business by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think this was referring to a Google outpost in downtown SF not the MV campus.

    30. Re: AKA: Google Destroys local business by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most of the food workers are not direct Google employees, but work for catering companies like bon appetit. These companies don't pay Google wage levels or benefits. They probably don't even pay SF healthy family tax for food prep employees not located in SF.

    31. Re:AKA: Google Destroys local business by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mountain View is not SF. These are not high rise buildings with multiple tenants. There are no local restaurants on the first floor.

      If you don't eat in the company cafeteria, you will have very limited options within walking distance. In general, it's eat the cafeteria food, bring your lunch, or drive to a restaurant.

    32. Re: AKA: Google Destroys local business by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      I am going to use Charles Babbage's quote here:

      I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question.

      In this case the idea being that Google for some reason would do something that would benefit somebody else other than Google, the company. Where do such notions originate exactly?

    33. Re: AKA: Google Destroys local business by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It didn't actually destroy jobs if jobs were created at google's cafeteria.

  2. Restaurant with a mic on every table, Wink by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Going to eat at a Google restaurant probably sounds great. Plenty of food, most likely good wifi and access to all things Google. Yet one wonders about Google's intentions inviting the public into their domain?

    1. Re: Restaurant with a mic on every table, Wink by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " and access to all things Google", like what exactly?

  3. Robber Barons open Company Town by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It's a "tech" company so we the penguin fucking Linux lovers of Slashdot are obligated to cheer when the billionaire oligarchs take what we gave them for free and use free open source software to fuck over the world. Praise Google, which takes from us and gives us shit in return.

  4. Google - the Walmart of restaurants by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    has kind of a nice ring to it, no?

  5. What advantage does cutting off employees provide? by bogaboga · · Score: 2

    Generally speaking, Bay Area tech companies have tended to of cut their workplaces off from the communities surrounding them.

    Does this have a measurable advantage/merit?

    I can think of one maybe: Small chance of [trade or intellectual] secrets "leaking" out.

  6. News for Nerds... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    or Stuff that Matters?

    I still don't see it.

    1. Re:News for Nerds... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google exploits nerds for billions in profit and pays them in food.

    2. Re:News for Nerds... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It means you aren't a nerd, and you don't matter, sorry, tough love

  7. Re:What advantage does cutting off employees provi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's all about power. The slaves must be completely dependent on their owners for their livelihood and the food they require to continue living.

  8. DEATH TO BILLIONAIRES by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    DEATH TO GOOGLE

  9. Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trump's a bitch with small hands and a small dick. Just like his supporters.

    1. Re: Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trump 2020
      B==D~ ~~

    2. Re:Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      at least they have dicks, unlike the runaway effeminacy of the left.

  10. Don't Care by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'll never knowingly use any of their products and neither should you. Have a nice day.

  11. Open, grassy areas .... by PPH · · Score: 1

    ... open to anyone.

    So, like hobos living in tents?

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  12. Google can see WHAT YOU EAT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everyone's missing the fact that if you eat at a Google restaurant, Google can see what you eat, just like they can read your email for any reason!

  13. This is why they got laughed out of Boulder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They wanted to build a fortress campus in the middle of downtown and the City Council shut them down.

  14. Tended to of cut off? by OneSmartFellow · · Score: 1

    What language is that?

    Perhaps you meant "tended to have cut off"

    You call yourself an editor?   No wonder I  have so little regard for you soft skilled types.

    1. Re:Tended to of cut off? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have no regard for those who force a font on their slashdot posts.

    2. Re: Tended to of cut off? by OneSmartFellow · · Score: 1

      CODE:  It's a great choice since formatting is always maintained

    3. Re:Tended to of cut off? by reboot246 · · Score: 1

      Good catch!

      I object to the use of the word "campus". If "information technology" is called an industry, then Google's place of business would correctly be called an industrial complex.

      I know that language is constantly changing, but please!

  15. Now to replace the guest workers with citizens. by sethstorm · · Score: 1

    Then replace the guest workers with directly-hired citizens and all shall be well.

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  16. Question by quonset · · Score: 1

    If I buy something, will I be able to use cash and remain (relatively) anonymous or will I have to use Google Wallet?

    1. Re:Question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't worry about being anonymous, Google's facial recognition will tag you as having eaten there anyway. ;P

  17. Re:What advantage does cutting off employees provi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's all about power. The slaves must be completely dependent on their owners for their livelihood and the food they require to continue living.

    Getting a job in the bay area is insanely easy if you can program. Any engineer at Google can leave work, drive less than a mile making random turns at every intersection, walk up to whatever building they end up in front of, walk in, and have a job offer on the spot.

    The new job might not pay as well, in money or free food. That is why many people choose to work at google.

    > It's all about power. The slaves must be completely dependent on their owners for their livelihood and the food they require to continue living.

    Suppose Google cut the food to one meal a day, and cut pay to only 10% over the average salary in the area. Do you think the "slaves" would starve to death, or go bankrupt?

  18. Beware of Geeks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    That Bring Free Stuff.

  19. My wish... by Junta · · Score: 1

    I've worked at several places with restaurants. The thing is, they tend to be whoever *paid* the most for the privilege to be there to get a big captive audience.

    So the on-campus food tends to be overpriced, low quality, so people tend to go off campus.

    Would be great to actually make the campus space available to outside businesses and customers, to save employees the drive to go somewhere.

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    1. Re:My wish... by slew · · Score: 1

      I've worked at several places with restaurants. The thing is, they tend to be whoever *paid* the most for the privilege to be there to get a big captive audience.

      So the on-campus food tends to be overpriced, low quality, so people tend to go off campus.

      Would be great to actually make the campus space available to outside businesses and customers, to save employees the drive to go somewhere.

      As a practical matter, I doubt there will be many outside customers (other than "tourists"). If parking at Google's current campus is any indication, there will be no place for outside customers to park (which will deter many folks from even attempting it). I'm guessing it's mostly a "ruse" to keep the current employees of Google to stop inviting their friends for a "free" meal an going forware most non-vendor/customer guests will be only invited to lunch as paying customers...

    2. Re:My wish... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So the on-campus food tends to be overpriced, low quality, so people tend to go off campus.

      As a practical matter, I doubt there will be many outside customers (other than "tourists"). If parking at Google's current campus is any indication, there will be no place for outside customers to park (which will deter many folks from even attempting it).

      I was up on the main Google campus a couple months ago for an onsite interview. I didn't get hired so it's probably just the sour grapes talking. But the (free) Google lunch was incredibly disappointing (parking was easy, though). I'd been imagining that Google employees would put in hard frustrating mornings tackling some of the most difficult problems in computer science. And then relax and recharge over a nice lunch. Well, it was pretty much the opposite of that.

      The main Google campus is too large to travel to a central cafeteria for lunch. So each building has it's own "cafe". But these cafes are horribly overcrowded (and loud - impossible to talk or even think). And the food is meager at best. Just one or two pans of food like you might expect at a potluck of hippies who weren't feeling at all generous. They seem to think that if the ingredients are weird with long names it makes the food hip or something - quinoa. arugula, and goat cheese.

      Word on the street is that the food used to be a lot better but then they hired a cheap caterer. Apparently Larry and the other top management have their own cafe that ordinary Googlers aren't allowed into (it's actually the whole admin building that has restricted access). Anyway, if you're not eating with Larry in his own private cafe then prepare to be disappointed by the food at Google.

    3. Re:My wish... by russotto · · Score: 1

      They seem to think that if the ingredients are weird with long names it makes the food hip or something - quinoa. arugula, and goat cheese.

      If there wasn't kale prepared at least four ways, you weren't really at a Google cafe.

    4. Re:My wish... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      food at Google is very good and it's all free.

  20. Puffy white ugly by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

    Come on Alphabet, are you competing with Apple for the title of world's most ugly megacorp hq? Tent slum vs giant hubcap.

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  21. This isn't new by davidwr · · Score: 1

    I once worked for a Fortune-500 company that had a public shopping mall compete with a food court in bottom floors of its office complex. I brown-bagged since I was too cheap to pay mall-food prices.

    Later, in another city, I worked for a different Fortune-500 company that had a several cafeterias around its sprawing campus. The food was about what you would get at a family restaurant with prices slightly below retail. I ate in the cafeteria almost every day.

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  22. Woo Hoo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ALPHABET soup for the unwashed masses!

  23. Ok, Google by Dripdry · · Score: 1

    Are you going to stop supporting this restaurant service in the middle of my meal so I starve?
    At this point I just don't see Google as a reliable company. For anything. Except for gathering and selling as much of my personal data as possible.

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  24. Re:What advantage does cutting off employees provi by Darinbob · · Score: 1

    Not just Silicon Valley. Almost everywhere I've worked since the 80s, the work place is not near what one would call normal restaurants. Most cubical farms, labs, and manufacturing areas are not located in dense urban hubs. Within walking distance it's either a grubby corporate cafeteria, an overcrowded sandwich place squeezed in among the warehouses, or a roaming roach coach. So the majority of workers who didn't bring in their lunches got in their cars and drove elsewhere. This is a big loss of productivity for companies. So getting and improving the cafeteria is not just a perk it's a way to get more value out of the employees.

  25. Industrial espionnage by manu0601 · · Score: 1

    I wonder if Google seriously trained their engineers so that they do not discuss sensitive project during lunch, since there are now many potential listeners at the next table.

  26. Re:What advantage does cutting off employees provi by kqs · · Score: 1

    Does this have a measurable advantage/merit?

    Several:
          * Walking to a cafe in the next building and eating with co-workers is much faster than walking/driving to a restaurant some distance away. Plus employees tend to talk shop over lunch. => more working hours per day.
          * The company has some control over the food served, and can encourage healthier eating. => lower health care costs
          * For large campuses, the surrounding area simply cannot absorb that many people for lunch.
          * Happier employees (with more money in their pockets)
          * Catered meals for events are much cheaper.

    Some years ago a company where I worked got rid of their nice coffee machine and replaced it with a cheap model that people hated. Many people started taking breaks to walk to a coffee shop a block away (30-60 minutes of lost work depending on the weather and context-switching), and morale took a big hit.

  27. "Google has built a campus from the ground up" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is the first time Google has built a campus from the ground up.

    It follows earlier attempts to build from the roof down, which were unsuccessful.

  28. There is rehab hospital in Austin... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...that the serves the BEST corn souffle for lunch on Wednesday. Ex-patients and visitors return to the dining room to have it again and again. Yes, a freaking hospital! So, what's good at Google?