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YouTube Loses Major Advertisers Over Offensive Videos (rollingstone.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Rolling Stone: Verizon, AT&T, Johnson & Johnson and other major companies have pulled advertisements from YouTube after learning they were paired with videos promoting extremism, terrorism and other offensive topics, The New York Times reports. Among the other companies involved are pharmaceutical giant GSK, HSBC, the Royal Bank of Scotland and L'Oreal, amounting to a potential loss of hundreds of millions of dollars to the Google-owned company. The boycott began last week after a Times of London investigation spurred many major European companies to pull their ads from YouTube. American companies swiftly followed, even after Google promised Tuesday to work harder to block ads on "hateful, offensive and derogatory" videos. Like AT&T, most companies are only pulling their ads from YouTube and will continue to place ads on Google's search platforms, which remain the biggest source of revenue for Google's parent company, Alphabet. Still, the tech giant offered up a slew of promises to assuage marketers and ensure them that they were fixing the problems on YouTube. Due to the massive number of videos on YouTube -- about 400 hours of video is posted each minute -- the site primarily uses an automated system to place ads. While there are some failsafes in place to keep advertisements from appearing alongside offensive content, Google's Chief Business Officer Philipp Schindler wrote in a blog post that the company would hire "significant numbers" of employees to review YouTube videos and mark them as inappropriate for ads. He also said Google's latest advancements in artificial intelligence and machine learning will help the company review and flag large swaths of videos.

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  1. It's rock and hard place time for youtube by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They can either honor the ethos that brought all the eyes to the videos or they can die slowly trying to suck the cock of Wall Street while losing viewers to other video channels. That whole market forces thing is a bitch.

    1. Re: It's rock and hard place time for youtube by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, you know what they say about all good things.

      Given Europe's attitude towards hate speech and how they enforce "right to be forgotten", I'm surprised that they haven't already erected a GFW at this point and outright blocked youtube, facebook, and twitter, and/or just outright blocked any and all content that might offend somebody in some way unless the police in Germany and France can be given special moderator permissions to delete content as they please.

    2. Re: It's rock and hard place time for youtube by Scarletdown · · Score: 4, Informative

      To honor the days when the internet was fun: they can suck a llama's ass

      I think you have been doing it wrong all these years. You are supposed to whip the llama's ass, not suck it.

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    3. Re:It's rock and hard place time for youtube by jandersen · · Score: 2

      They can either honor the ethos that brought all the eyes to the videos or they can die slowly trying to suck the cock of Wall Street while losing viewers to other video channels. That whole market forces thing is a bitch.

      So it is. Just to clarify, the market in this case is the advertisers, not the people who come to YouTube; they are the livestock that they are trying to sell. So, the market is now deciding that they don't want this sort of cattle; they want people that would potentially be interested in becoming customers of the companies they are advertising for. And the thing is - idiots that keep posting extreme materials online constitute only a tiny minority, but they drive away the huge majority, who don't want to be in an environment where they are constantly affronted by the depravities of deranged fools. YouTube's owners are no angels, but they do know where the money comes from.

  2. Wait a minute... by Yaztromo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    American companies swiftly followed, even after Google promised Tuesday to work harder to block ads on "hateful, offensive and derogatory" videos.

    So let me get this straight -- racists, misogynists, and terrorists are going to benefit from an ad-free experience, and yet my 6 year old daughter has to put up with ads for mortgages and makeup and other adult stuff when she wants to watch kids videos? WTF did we ever do to you Google that dirtbags get an out from Youtube ads, but the rest of us have to suffer?

    Yaz

    1. Re:Wait a minute... by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

      American companies swiftly followed, even after Google promised Tuesday to work harder to block ads on "hateful, offensive and derogatory" videos.

      So let me get this straight -- racists, misogynists, and terrorists are going to benefit from an ad-free experience, and yet my 6 year old daughter has to put up with ads for mortgages and makeup and other adult stuff when she wants to watch kids videos? WTF did we ever do to you Google that dirtbags get an out from Youtube ads, but the rest of us have to suffer?

      Yaz

      Daddy? What's erectile dysfunction and should we ask the perdiatrician if cialis is right for me?

      Pretty creepy crap for kids to be watching.

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    2. Re:Wait a minute... by Yaztromo · · Score: 2

      You use bandwidth without paying for it.

      I'm not complaining about the need for ads; it's that they're effectively going to be exempting you from seeing advertising if you're watching terrorist propaganda, or racist rants, or two girls one cup, or whatever else gets deemed "inappropriate", while at the same time happily showing my 6 year old daughter ads for erectile dysfunction medication when see wants to watch "Wheels on the Bus".

      If you had google music or youtube red there wouldn't be ads.

      Which would be fine if Youtube Red were available in my country. But it isn't. I'm not sure about Google Music -- it's not a service I have need of anyway.

      I do agree that it's messed up. Even the dumbest Americans should be capable of realizing that running ads during a youtube video doesn't equal approving of the content. But we didn't have so many idiots, we wouldn't have the problems we do today.

      Believe it or not, advertisers are human beings too. And while they don't want to be seen endorsing or being associated with the types of videos the article discusses (bad optics), at the same time they also don't want the people who make these videos to benefit from their advertising dollars either, just as (I presume) you or I wouldn't donate money to a Jihadist group, or NAMBLA, or the KKK, etc. So I'm happy to give the advertisers some slack on this -- most decent people, advertisers or not, don't want to see their money going to such groups, even if everyone else were fine with it.

      Yaz

  3. Youtube lost me to forced ads. by MindPrison · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There was a time when I really enjoyed browsing youtube videos. And I didn't really mind a little advertisement break here and there.

    But what killed youtube for me - was the now forced (unskippable) ads that often last well into 30 seconds or more, just for checking out a video. I like seeing if I want to watch this or not, now there's a forced ad on every second video I decide to check.

    Now, before my dear Slashdotters say "well, you can use adblocker" etc, please keep in mind that a lot of us watch youtube on our "smart-tv" devices, Nintendos, Xbox's Youtube app etc.

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    1. Re: Youtube lost me to forced ads. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      So then block the ads with your router. 1 change and it covers all your devices.

    2. Re:Youtube lost me to forced ads. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Try adding the following to your router's domain block list:

      ssl.google-analytics.com
      www-google-analytics.l.google.com
      stats.g.doubleclick.net
      clients.l.google.com
      pagead.l.doubleclick.net
      www-googletagmanager.l.google.com
      googleadapis.l.google.com
      ads.youtube.com
      s0.2mdn.net
      s1.2mdn.net
      googleads.g.doubleclick.net
      pubads.g.doubleclick.net
      ad.doubleclick.net
      static.doubleclick.net
      files.adform.net
      secure-ds.serving-sys.com

      You can now enjoy an ad-free YouTube experience on your TV/games console/phone/tablet.

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  4. Priorities by DeplorableCodeMonkey · · Score: 5, Interesting

    These companies have been putting so much effort into detecting "hate speech," but the number of times that my wife has had to hit the home button on the Roku to stop a horror movie trailer or something equally inappropriate on content appropriate for preschoolers is truly appalling. But we're not triggered, we just deal with it so we don't count.

    1. Re:Priorities by Motherfucking+Shit · · Score: 2

      Right you are, Mary was but a child when the predator Joseph popped her cherry. He'd be in prison for that nowadays in any civilized country. They couldn't fess up to a little hanky panky so they told a little fib about "God did it," and 2000 years later, we're still paying the price!

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  5. HSBC by intertrode · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wow, look at HSBC withe their moral superiority. The same bank that launders money for drug lords and the Russian mafia.

  6. Is this San Francisco "offensive" or the real kind by elrous0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Because if "offensive" is defined as "anyone who supports Donald Trump or refuses to accept the new SJW definition of 'equality'" then I have a bit of a problem with that.

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  7. You could ... by PPH · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... pair up all the ISIS promotional videos with ads for feminine products.

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  8. the Snowflake Jihad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We are under a constant assault by a Snowflake jihad whose understanding of freedom of speech is limited to what they agree with. In America this is probably the darkest time in over 200 years with regards to the Bill of Rights. We are living in an age of the self-righteous perpetually offended punk, a punk without a hint of self-understanding or irony.

    1. Re:the Snowflake Jihad by Motherfucking+Shit · · Score: 2, Informative

      This has absolutely nothing to do with freedom of speech. You're welcome to buy a server and host all the racist, hateful videos you care to upload. YouTube isn't required to host them for you, and their advertisers aren't required to pay for the privilege.

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    2. Re:the Snowflake Jihad by ogdenk · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's funny, the same sort of people who rail against corporations and want free speech curtailed are exactly the same ones who decide they want to replace government tyranny with corporate tyranny when it fits their agenda.

      If a private business has a right to limit offensive speech on a social media platform in the name of moral righteousness, they have just as much right to deny service to people they find objectionable on the same grounds such as homosexuals or muslims. That's not a world I want. Everyone is offended by SOMETHING.

      Would you be OK with ISP's being pressured by moral crusaders to not provide connectivity to people who host "offensive" content because the moral crusaders decide to label everyone they don't agree with "neo-nazis"?

      If certain advertisers don't want their ads showing up on a certain channel's content, whatever, that's fine. But to demonetize a channel's videos entirely because some snowflake finds it offensive, that's bullshit.

    3. Re:the Snowflake Jihad by swillden · · Score: 2

      You seem to think there's some assault on free speech here. There isn't. At all. YouTube isn't taking "offensive" videos down -- not any more than they always have, anyway -- they're just not showing ads on videos the advertisers don't want to be associated with. The free speech of the people uploading the videos is fully intact, and in fact YouTube continues giving them a free soapbox from which to reach the world. The free speech of the advertisers is also being honored, by allowing them to avoid appearing to speak in support of things they don't want to support.

      The only perspective from which anything "bad" is happening is the one which presumes that the makers of YouTube content have some "right" to be paid. There is no such right, never has been and I sincerely hope there never, ever will be.

      (Disclaimer: I work for Google, but that has absolutely nothing to do with my position on this issue.)

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  9. Re:Loss of control by namgge · · Score: 4, Informative

    I don't understand why a potential advertiser would not want to promote their product in front of any audience.

    It's not that the advertisers care who watches their adverts; the more the merrier no doubt. The issue here is that the producers of unsavoury content are being supported by income provided by the advertisers.

  10. Re:Is this San Francisco "offensive" or the real k by elrous0 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You were going to say that no matter whether it was relevant of not (which it isn't)

    It's absolutely relevant if it's true. Youtube is being very cagey about exactly what videos it means here. The meaning of words like "derogatory" vary SIGNIFICANTLY depending on who you're asking.

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  11. chip on your shoulder by DrYak · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Given Europe's attitude towards hate speech and how they enforce "right to be forgotten", I'm surprised that they haven't already erected a GFW at this point

    ...said the main living in the glorious country where the simple apparition of a nipple is considered a major mediatic catastrophe, where breast feeding is a public offense, and where anything remotely sexual is sure to traumatise the next few generations of youth. (and where nude bodies are probably terrorism-level material).

    To each country and culture its own taboos.
    For Germany, it might be hate speech, for France it might be "right to be forgotten", and for the USA it's anything which isn't missionary position with the sole purpose to procreate.

    Beware of the nude-nipple-terrorists, America !

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    1. Re:chip on your shoulder by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 5, Informative

      ...said the main living in the glorious country where the simple apparition of a nipple is considered a major mediatic catastrophe

      Nipples are only banned from broadcast TV. On cable, and on the internet, Americans are nipple tolerant.

      where breast feeding is a public offense

      Here is a complete exhaustive list of all the American states where public breastfeeding is illegal:

      1. Idaho

      It is legal everywhere else.

    2. Re:chip on your shoulder by just+another+AC · · Score: 2, Informative

      where breast feeding is a public offense

      Here is a complete exhaustive list of all the American states where public breastfeeding is illegal:

      1. Idaho

      It is legal everywhere else.

      That is 1 state above the threshold for making the criticism legitimate.

      I mean breastfeeding... FFS... it is a normal part of life, completely non sexual, and in no way affects anyone other than mother and child.

    3. Re:chip on your shoulder by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Informative

      That is 1 state above the threshold for making the criticism legitimate.

      It is technically illegal in one rural state, yet, despite claims to the contrary, there is no record of anyone ever being procesecuted in Idaho for feeding a baby.

      It is a total non-issue, and anyone upset about the zero women who have gone to jail is just looking for some phony manufactured issue to be outraged about.

      So God bless motherhood, and God bless the United States of America.

    4. Re: chip on your shoulder by gnick · · Score: 2

      And it can easily be done elsewhere than in public.

      Yes it can. In fact, I'm a little offended seeing you eat. You can easily eat at home. Stop eating in public - To make me more comfortable.

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  12. Re:Is this San Francisco "offensive" or the real k by elrous0 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why are you objecting to ISIS videos in terms of Trump?

    Because the language Google is using sounds like this includes WAY more than just ISIS videos. Words like "derogatory" take on a whole new meaning in Silicon Valley on on college campuses today than they do in red state America. So it's very important to establish EXACTLY whose definitions we're using here and exactly what videos are going to be blacklisted.

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  13. Re:Loss of control by Baloroth · · Score: 2

    The issue here is that the producers of unsavoury content are being supported by income provided by the advertisers.

    They probably don't really care about that either. What they care about is not being associated in the public mind with such socially unacceptable content, and as a plus by pulling their advertising dollars they can gain free advertisement from the news stories about pulling their ads.

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  14. No, "offensive" is defined as racism by rsilvergun · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Trump (really Bannon, Trump's just the mouth piece) managed to make racism OK again. I'll Let that one sink in...

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    1. Re:No, "offensive" is defined as racism by Raenex · · Score: 2

      Yes, if you don't want your country flooded with illegal immigrants or Muslims, you are racist. *facepalm*

  15. Re:Is this San Francisco "offensive" or the real k by Motherfucking+Shit · · Score: 2

    Words like "derogatory" take on a whole new meaning in Silicon Valley on on college campuses today than they do in red state America.

    Why not set up your own video streaming site that caters to red state America? You could call it "RedTube."

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  16. Re:Is this San Francisco "offensive" or the real k by Raenex · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What is "offensive" is defined by the companies who are paying Google to place their ads.

    It's defined by the "progressives" that whine the loudest when somebody speaks out against one of their pet causes. The social justice warriors of today are the same breed as the religious right from 20-30 years ago. If these companies had any business sense or corporate responsibility, they would just ignore them instead of trying to appease them.

  17. Re:I know by ooloorie · · Score: 2

    You know that's a word with an actual meaning right?

    Yes, and the terms "sexist" (prejudice or stereotyping based on sex) and "bigot" (intolerance towards those holding different opinions) clearly apply to Sarkeesian, regardless of whether you agree with her politics.

    Does Anita cause a slew of very large advertisers to stop paying huge amounts of money all at once?

    I suspect she actually does, but since Google favors her political views, they are likely willing to pay a significant price in advertising revenue.

    In any case, your sarcasm meter is broken.

  18. Re:I know by ooloorie · · Score: 2

    There are quite a large number of hours of footage. There's bound to be a few mistakes.

    Sarkeesian's problem isn't that she makes "mistakes", it's that her videos are hours upon hours of self-righteous indignation by a pampered privileged princess who has made a career out of appealing to sex-starved male nerds coming to her defense. It's so stupid, it's actually kind of funny.

  19. Re:huh? by moeinvt · · Score: 2

    That was my thought as well.

    It would certainly never occur to me to associate an ad, or the company whose product is being advertised, with the content of a video in anything more than a marketing sense. I don't think other users make that connection either. Most people realize that Google is targeting ads toward the individual based on all the data they have accumulated about the person.

    It was some social justice crusader working at a newspaper in the UK who started looking for videos containing "hate speech"(not sure exactly what it was) and then told the advertisers that their ads were appearing with these apparently "offensive" videos.

  20. Re:Loss of control by Tranzistors · · Score: 2

    as a plus by pulling their advertising dollars they can gain free advertisement from the news stories about pulling their ads.

    This sounds like a risky strategy. I don't think a headline “MacDonalds pulls funding from ISIS” would be in their interest.

  21. Re:I know by ooloorie · · Score: 2

    So, it's just like your opinion, man.

    Gosh, you finally figured out that judging something "offensive, sexist, and bigoted" is a matter of opinion? Good grief, took you long enough! I'm glad that my sarcastic comment led you to that; that was kind of the point. Now apply that newfound insight to FeministFrequency itself: "it's just like her opinion".