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Venezuelan Developers Are Using Bitcoin, Rare Pepe Trading Cards To Fight Against a Dismal Economy (cryptoinsider.com)

According to Crypto Insider, Venezuelan developers have been selling "rare pepes" -- trading cards that contain unique illustrations and photoshops of the character Pepe the Frog. While the trading cards started out as nothing more than a joke, many of them have been traded for thousands of dollars on the Counterparty platform, which is built on top of Bitcoin, and have provided a way for many developers to sustain themselves in Venezuela's poor economy. From the report: The basic idea behind the issuance of rare pepes on top of the Counterparty platform is that it enables scarcity in a digital world. Each rare pepe card is linked to a little bit of bitcoin through a practice known as coin coloring. Whoever owns the private keys associated with the address where the bitcoins that represent a specific rare pepe card is located is the one who owns that particular trading card. Now, a group of developers in Venezuela are building games similar to Hearthstone and Pokemon where the rare pepe trading cards will play an integral role. If you go to rarepepe.party right now, you're mainly presented with a video of what the first game based on the Rare Pepe digital trading cards will look like. The concept is similar to Hearthstone or Magic: The Gathering where players essentially do battle with their opponents via characters on trading cards, which have specific stats and features. In this case, the characters are various rare pepes. With many rare pepes already released (you can view them in the official rare pepe directory), the developers behind Rare Pepe Party are attempting to provide a use case for these new trading cards. While some rare pepe cards already have stats on them, the developer who chatted with Crypto Insider says those stats may not mean much when it's time to play the game. While rare pepes are nothing more than fun and games for much of the developed world, they're a matter of survival in Venezuela. "We're based in Venezuela, and our business has been saved by bitcoin many times," said the developer. The developer claims roughly 80 percent of the offices around the area where Rare Pepe Party is being developed have shut down over the past year. The biggest businesses on their street have also dropped as much as 90 percent of their employees.

93 comments

  1. Go Communism!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    n/t

    1. Re:Go Communism!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Capitalism is obviously ruining Venezuela and making them poor. We must end capitalism now for a free future!

  2. Now bitcoin by bugs2squash · · Score: 1

    I see Pepe's keeping steering clear of anything shady since his recent bad choices then.

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    1. Re:Now bitcoin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      PRAISE KEK
      SHADILAY

    2. Re:Now bitcoin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't get why they're using a slow aging platform like Counterparty. Ethereum is more suited for this with block times that are 72 times faster than Bitcoin...

  3. Given that Venezuela's economy is tanking by rsilvergun · · Score: 1, Interesting

    because of a temporary drop in oil prices (we're a long way off from oil becoming worthless) why the heck are they doing so bad? I'm not gonna chuck if up to gov't corruption because _everywhere_ has that. Usually the rest of the world will send some aid to a country floundering like this. Heck even Greece got some. Did they piss everybody off somehow?

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    1. Re:Given that Venezuela's economy is tanking by Lehk228 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      because communism is generally incapable of feeding itself

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    2. Re:Given that Venezuela's economy is tanking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Because they're socialist.

      They didn't WANT "evil capitalist" capital.

      They wanted to show socialism for the win.

    3. Re:Given that Venezuela's economy is tanking by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      why the heck are they doing so bad?

      Because, when oil prices were high, instead of saving for a rainy day, they squandered the windfall on import subsidies and giveaways while destroying every other part of their economy.

      I'm not gonna chuck if up to gov't corruption because _everywhere_ has that.

      Not to the same degree. On the Transparency International Corruption Index Venezula is a near rock bottom 166/176.

      Did they piss everybody off somehow?

      Yes, starting with their own people. Maduro is one of the least popular leaders in the world (although he beats President Hollande of France). Venezuela has few international friends. Even Cuba has backed off from helping them.

      On the bright side, we have yet another excellent example of why socialism is a bad idea.

    4. Re:Given that Venezuela's economy is tanking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On the bright side, we have yet another excellent example of why socialism is a bad idea.

      Why? Because corrupt kleptocrats can take advantage of it? They can take advantage of anything from totalitarianism to anarachism and you know it.

    5. Re:Given that Venezuela's economy is tanking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      because communism is generally incapable of feeding itself

      What communism?

      Venezuela was the very definition of an autocracy.

    6. Re:Given that Venezuela's economy is tanking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Their economy was almost entirely reliant on high oil prices. They never really tried to diversify their economy so when oil prices plunged so did their economy. On top of that their oil needs specialized refineries requiring them to send their oil to other countries to be refined. The main country providing refinery services are located in the US. At prices under $50 per bbl they are almost losing money on any oil they do manage to export. They also shot themselves in the foot trying to nationalize the assets of foreign oil services firms resulting in a huge decline of output and a cease in new projects being brought online. The one thing that can bring the wrath of the US government down hard is a country who tries to nationalize the assets of US companies. The most noteworthy examples of this can be seen in Iran, Cuba, and now Venezuela. And Venezuela has burnt all the bridges between them and the US. They can't ask the US for any help and even if they did the US wouldn't help them. The relationship is just to toxic.

      The US now controls the global price of oil and natural gas. The US has been metering it's output just enough to make sure the prices stays under $50 bbl. At this price Venezuela's economy will not improve in the slightest. Russia is in the same boat. They are also over reliant on oil exports and are bleeding cash. The sanctions levied against them for their actions in the Ukraine have prevented any foreign investments in their oil industry leaving them with aging equipment and no new projects being brought online. Since the US can now export natural gas it becomes possible to supply all of the European countries and break Russia's monopoly.

    7. Re:Given that Venezuela's economy is tanking by Zemran · · Score: 1

      "yet another excellent example of why socialism is a bad idea." When did socialism become a bad idea? The most successful countries in the world are socialist so it seems a strange statement. Norway has been rated the happiest country in the world with Denmark second. Both socialist. I cannot think of any country that I would want to live in that is not socialist. Venezuela is a failure because of the man running the country. It is not a socialist country any more than the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is a democratic country. Just because some crazy dictator calls his country Utopia as it sinks into the mire does not mean it is Utopia. It is the crazy dictator that is destroying the country. Looking after the people has never been a bad idea and there is no evidence that it can have a negative effect on the economy.

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    8. Re:Given that Venezuela's economy is tanking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ahem. "No true Scotsman"?

    9. Re:Given that Venezuela's economy is tanking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Venezuelan situation is very simple...

      Take one ignorant and socially resented individual like Hugo Chavez was before he came into power in 1999, add all the sleazy weasels that surrounded him at that time so he and they could get into power. Mix all this with all the ignorants that voted for him and expect an ignorant and resented individual who actually participated in a failed coup, which failed because of him btw...

      Bake all these ingredients with the manipulation of one of the biggest evil masterminds of the late 20 century, Fidel Castro, who manipulated Chavez as a puppet so he could stay in power forever and pay Cuba a big chunk of money, which is still being paid by Maduro btw (around $10b a year), then you imagine what could happen with a Country that used to among the best in Latin America. Yes, they had many issues before Chavez, but those were child play with what's happening now. Just check how is the oil state company (PDVSA) doing now compared to how they were doing in the 90s. PDVSA was among the top 5 oil companies in the world, now they're are the bottom, not even being able to satisfy local demand for gasoline, they have to IMPORT IT !!!

      What's happening in Venezuela is no Socialism, although they call it that, is not Communism, is plain old Fascism or tyranny of the state

      As for they didn't save for a rainy day, is not even that, although they didn't save shit for the future.

      When Chavez got into power oil was around $10 a barrel and the country was mostly doing fine, low debt, low inflation. Oil is now at $40 and the country doesn't even have basic goods including food, electrical power, medical drugs and many more.

      All the money that's coming in is being taken by either corruption, mismanagement, incompentence and to buy political favors, whatever is left is to buy imported goods since "Chavistas" KILLED all local production. The country has to now import almost EVERYTHING, compared as before where it was self-sustaining...

      The country has mostly a war economy and it's almost in war due to the number of murders per capita, a total clusterfuck...

    10. Re: Given that Venezuela's economy is tanking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it isn't what you claim it is, how can you be right?

    11. Re:Given that Venezuela's economy is tanking by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Informative

      The most successful countries in the world are socialist so it seems a strange statement. Norway has been rated the happiest country in the world with Denmark second. Both socialist.

      Neither is socialist. Socialism: Government ownership of the means of production. Both Norway and Denmark are, by many measures, more capitalist than America. For instance, the Danish post office is privatized. If you at add in health care, America actually has a about the same government footprint as either. Social programs do not make a country "socialist".

    12. Re:Given that Venezuela's economy is tanking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      And autocracy is the very definition of communism.

      Or did you miss the lesson of the past 100 years?

    13. Re:Given that Venezuela's economy is tanking by TooManyNames · · Score: 2

      Classifying Norway as socialist is a bit like classifying the USA as capitalist. Neither nation is fully socialist or capitalist -- they both have significant elements of capitalism and socialism -- but they differ in the amount by which they embrace, for example, socialism. Actually, I would argue that, while Norway is more socialist than the USA, it is nonetheless more capitalist than it is socialist.

      Also, why is it that every time some nation tries to completely (or predominately) adopt socialism or it's more extreme cousin, communism, people always claim that it wasn't actually, really socialist (or communist) when that nation fails?

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    14. Re:Given that Venezuela's economy is tanking by Kjella · · Score: 1

      because of a temporary drop in oil prices (we're a long way off from oil becoming worthless) why the heck are they doing so bad? I'm not gonna chuck if up to gov't corruption because _everywhere_ has that. Usually the rest of the world will send some aid to a country floundering like this. Heck even Greece got some. Did they piss everybody off somehow?

      As I understand it the main problem is that the shortages and massive inflation means that most people spend most of their day standing in line for the scraps rather than do anything productive. And when they do get to buy some subsidized goods they overbuy and go to sell them on the black market, which means even more time is wasted on finding places to buy, places to sell and bartering. Running any kind of shop is pretty hopeless because you can't get reliable supplies or reliable customers or pay reliable wages. If you want anything done it's bribes, that again don't do anything productive.

      Nobody will give a country loans without concessions and Chavez won't give any. Since the country is reduced to pretty much a giant money sink it's hard to see how anyone sane would invest in that economy. The only half functioning market is the black market, where anything is available to those who can pay but that too is running on fumes because so few still have money to buy with. Those who have money can get to do and have pretty much everything they want though, almost everything and everybody is for sale.

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    15. Re: Given that Venezuela's economy is tanking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And autocracy is the very definition of communism.

      No, that would be autonomy, as a communist owns the fruits of their own labors, not anybody else.

      Or did you miss the lesson of the past 100 years?

      It seems you did. Autocrats now make pretensions towards communism, democracy, republicanism, as claiming to be blessed by the divine doesn't work so well anymore.

      This is no way invalidates the principles themselves.

    16. Re: Given that Venezuela's economy is tanking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chavez won't give any.

      The dead are known for their stubbornness.

    17. Re:Given that Venezuela's economy is tanking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      more corruption.

    18. Re:Given that Venezuela's economy is tanking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Neither Norway or Denmark are socialist. You wouldn't be able to find a successful socialist state to point to, because they don't exist.

    19. Re:Given that Venezuela's economy is tanking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And capitalism is generally incapable of feeding others.

      Stalemate

    20. Re: Given that Venezuela's economy is tanking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Causality. If corrupt kleptocrats are the problem, and they are found in all systems, it is not the system that is the issue.

    21. Re: Given that Venezuela's economy is tanking by s.petry · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You did miss the last 100 years of history. In fact you just missed history in general.

      Communism does not make the people the owners of the fruits of their labors, it makes the bureaucrats the owners of the fruits of people's labor. Straight from the manifesto you find 'from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs' People are incentivized to be lazy and complacent, and just yell about how much stuff they need. Working harder than your neighbor does not get you more stuff and inventing new technology does not get you new stuff. Those two things can make you an enemy of your neighbors and get you jailed or killed.

      Both Russia and China moved to a controlled form of a market economy. Stealing technology was not enough to keep them afloat, so they had to do something to incentivize people. The partial market is still the suck for people that live there, because if you do too well you are killed and the Government just takes your stuff anyway.

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    22. Re: Given that Venezuela's economy is tanking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You did miss the last 100 years of history. In fact you just missed history in general.

      Nope. I also attended philosophy class, and even read Marx, unlike some people, who just rant and rave as they have been indoctrinated to do.

      Communism does not make the people the owners of the fruits of their labors, it makes the bureaucrats the owners of the fruits of people's labor.

      You're thinking of a command economy, not communism.

      Straight from the manifesto you find 'from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs' ,

      Nope. You won't find it there at all. Try as you might, you can't.

      You would have to look elsewhere in Marx's writings. Why do you make things up s.petry?

      Besides, he didn't originate it, the sentiment came from elsewhere, and to be honest, it is just as applicable in any philosophy. Why would you not labor to your abilities? Why would you not act upon your needs?

      There is a reason you can find this sentiment within the Bible as well as Confuscius. It is well known.

      People are incentivized to be lazy and complacent, and just yell about how much stuff they need. Working harder than your neighbor does not get you more stuff and inventing new technology does not get you new stuff.

      Actually, it is quite the opposite. By laboring, you can produce value, and own it yourself, not have it confiscated by a rent-seeker. There is no need to yell, there is no need to take, you own what you make. And you get what you need, without stealing from others.

      Those two things can make you an enemy of your neighbors and get you jailed or killed.

      Making enemies of your neighbors is easy. Sometimes earned, sometimes not. Sadly, this too has been known since biblical times.

      Both Russia and China moved to a controlled form of a market economy. Stealing technology was not enough to keep them afloat, so they had to do something to incentivize people. The partial market is still the suck for people that live there, because if you do too well you are killed and the Government just takes your stuff anyway.

      Both China and Russia remain corrupt, autocracies, with no tolerance for dissension or embracing of freedom. Yet they claimed to be Democratic Republics, and still do. Yet oppose their commands, and they will oppression you with violent force.

      The exact opposite of communism. Anybody who studied history would know that.

    23. Re:Given that Venezuela's economy is tanking by Raenex · · Score: 2

      Nobody will give a country loans without concessions and Chavez won't give any.

      Kinda hard to do when you're dead.

    24. Re:Given that Venezuela's economy is tanking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If you want to understand the situation in Venezuela you must first understand basic economics. It's a fascinating subject really, worthy of your study. However, to answer your question in a nutshell, the Venezuelan economy is failing because of government imposed wage, price and capital controls, expropriation of private property and restrictions on freedom of speech, press and assembly. In short, it has become a tyranny and people have simply given up working because anything they produce can and probably will be confiscated by the government. Imports are scarce because few foreigners trust the Venezuelan government not to screw them if given the chance and insist upon cash up front (not the worthless local currency). The Venezuelan government could resolve the current crisis in a matter of months by reversing the self mutilating policies, but the people in power don't want to do that so the Venezuelan people continue to suffer.

    25. Re:Given that Venezuela's economy is tanking by goose-incarnated · · Score: 2

      What's happening in Venezuela is no Socialism, although they call it that, is not Communism, is plain old Fascism or tyranny of the state

      You don't think socialism *is* tyranny of the state?

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    26. Re: Given that Venezuela's economy is tanking by John+Da'+Baddest · · Score: 1

      It seems the Middlemen are always the ones cashing in, regardless of the 'ism.

      And here we thought a "man in the middle" attack was merely a hack.
      But no, it's a pervasive part of human nature.

    27. Re:Given that Venezuela's economy is tanking by fred911 · · Score: 1

      It's beyond pricing. Their production is down to just over 2m barrels a day, lowest in 13 years. That combined with the facts that oil is basically the only thing they export, they can't produce a sufficient food supply, an inflation rate of 1500% and at least 1/3 of the population's occupation is thief makes it a little tough to overcome.

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    28. Re:Given that Venezuela's economy is tanking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some things are cultural. I remember reading that during the times when Venezuela was still doing alright with its oil exports, a building permit would take 19 years to go through the bureaucracy. When your highest skilled builders retire before then can start a work on a project you tend to get pissed and rethink investing to the country.

    29. Re: Given that Venezuela's economy is tanking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Read this in 10 years after you have a job, kid. You're going to cringe.

    30. Re:Given that Venezuela's economy is tanking by Megol · · Score: 1

      Not really applicable here: pointing out that the problem isn't about a certain ideology but general corruption and mismanagement doesn't even touch the subject if it is a true X ( X = whatever).

    31. Re:Given that Venezuela's economy is tanking by Megol · · Score: 2

      The concept of socialism doesn't even require a government to exist...

    32. Re:Given that Venezuela's economy is tanking by Megol · · Score: 1

      You realize that the (socialist) anarchist dream world doesn't even have a state? Or that communism as defined by Marx doesn't really have a state?

    33. Re: Given that Venezuela's economy is tanking by BlueStrat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Communism does not make the people the owners of the fruits of their labors, it makes the bureaucrats the owners of the fruits of people's labor.

      You're thinking of a command economy, not communism.

      Wow.

      Communism/socialism demand a "command economy" as a basic tenant of their ideologies. They cannot function even as poorly as they do without control of the economy and the means of production and distribution.

      Actually, it is quite the opposite. By laboring, you can produce value, and own it yourself, not have it confiscated by a rent-seeker. There is no need to yell, there is no need to take, you own what you make. And you get what you need, without stealing from others.

      This is anathema to communism and socialism. The State determines all that. The State tells you what you will work at, where, how long, etc. It tells you where you'll live. It tells you how much compensation you'll receive and what you're allowed to buy/own.

      OP was right. You missed 100+ years of history. If you actually did take a class, either the teacher/professor was incompetent or a good communist/socialist spreading false propaganda.

      Or...*you* are the good communist/socialist spreading false propaganda.

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    34. Re: Given that Venezuela's economy is tanking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >

      Wow.

      Communism/socialism demand a "command economy" as a basic tenant of their ideologies.

      No, Bluestrat, they don't. Rather the opposite, they demand the removal of the command economy.

      They cannot function even as poorly as they do without control of the economy and the means of production and distribution.

      The only people that need control are the ones that don't own their own worth.

      Which describes all sorts, from corporate executives, to religious theocrats, to military leaders.

      Nothing to do with communism.

      This is anathema to communism and socialism. The State determines all that. The State tells you what you will work at, where, how long, etc. It tells you where you'll live. It tells you how much compensation you'll receive and what you're allowed to buy/own.

      Nope. Again, you are describing a rent-seeker, a controller, which is the opposite of Communism. Which ranges from the State, to the Corporation, to the Church, to the Father, to whatever. But it is not Communism.

      OP was right. You missed 100+ years of history. If you actually did take a class, either the teacher/professor was incompetent or a good communist/socialist spreading false propaganda.

      Or...*you* are the good communist/socialist spreading false propaganda.

      OP is wrong, and you are wrong yourself, apparently both of you didn't have a good enough teacher to teach you that people lie about what they are and what they do. This happens with the Communism, Democracies, Republics, Churches, and Corporations. Did your teachers also fail to teach you that Hitler was not a good German patriot? That the Southern Confederacy was not a band of freedom seeking rebels against the Northern tyranny? That the Crusaders were not liberating the Holy Land from an actual Turkish scourge? Perhaps they didn't teach you that Edison didn't do all that much towards inventing a light bulb? Perhaps they never taught you how Columbus was wrong, thinking the Earth was far smaller than it was, and he was only saved by mere fortuitous location of the Americas? And in fact, most educated people recognized the earth was a spheroid, rather than flat?

      The list of things you could have been mistaught is legendary.

    35. Re: Given that Venezuela's economy is tanking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "ism"s are philosophy's version of the spherical cow.

    36. Re: Given that Venezuela's economy is tanking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're describing state communism. That is to say, a centralized government owns/controls everything, takes all the output of a society's labor, and redistributes it according tot he "needs" of the people (which means it gives them just enough to barely survive, most of the time, while keeping the rest for the political elite).

      I don't know how many possible implementation of communism exist, but I would be very surprised if the number is exactly 1. That would be like saying all democratically elected republics are unrepresentative or tend towards a few powerful parties, just because the obvious thing that the US went with (plurality voting used to elect a single representative per district) is easily gerrymandered.

      I have absolutely no idea what a system of communism would look like without being state communism, as (to the best of my knowledge) no such system has been attempted in the past century. That's no reason to prevent people from trying to develop one. Humans had been trying and failing to build flying machines for all of recorded history until the Wright brothers thought to build a wind tunnel and run actual tests.

    37. Re:Given that Venezuela's economy is tanking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      while Norway is more socialist than the USA,

      Perhaps in the way the oil income is dealt with, although Alaska does something similar. And being a part of the USA.. Are we actually talking about economics or values? If that is the case, the socialist - capitalist axle no longer works and we have to take out the religious axle of Christian revivalism - conservative Lutheranism to make comparisons.

    38. Re: Given that Venezuela's economy is tanking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or...*you* are the good communist/socialist spreading false propaganda.

      I'm afraid you are the one spreading the false propaganda, it has even been such, calling out the litanies of the priest-kings from their Ziggurats, the rhetoric of the patricians as they commanded their slaves on the Latifundium, the Hacienda of the Spanish patrons, or the aristocrat plantation owners of the American South, and the landlords of the teeming apartment slums...or most terribly, the corporate boards that dictate the acceptable laws and practices of the world.

      Tell me, as ALEC your master now, or do you find yourself under the servitude of some other puppet-master?

      Who calls your tune as you dance to the owners, the takers, the parasite on the labors of men?

    39. Re:Given that Venezuela's economy is tanking by Fencepost · · Score: 1

      because communism is generally incapable of feeding itself

      I believe you misspelled both "corrupt dictatorships" and "damaged into non-sustainability"

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    40. Re:Given that Venezuela's economy is tanking by Fencepost · · Score: 2

      while destroying every other part of their economy.

      This is glossed over too much. Part of the problem is that Venezuela implemented price controls on a lot of things including staples - price controls that in many cases are or were lower than the cost of producing those goods/crops. They then used oil money to subsidize imports, but local producers and farmers had no reason to produce because they were going to lose money, much like a saying that's been around in the USA for years ("Interviewer: 'What are you going to do with your lottery winnings?' Farmer: 'I reckon I'll just keep farming until it's gone.'")

      Now that the oil money isn't there, neither are the basic production capabilities that would let them get back to being self-sustaining, and I suspect that even in places where you could go back to subsistence farming or even farming for sale it's very difficult to do due to looting and possibly remaining price controls. Venezuela's drowning, and even those trying to swim are being grabbed and pulled under by the desperate.

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    41. Re: Given that Venezuela's economy is tanking by dj245 · · Score: 1

      You did miss the last 100 years of history. In fact you just missed history in general.

      Communism does not make the people the owners of the fruits of their labors, it makes the bureaucrats the owners of the fruits of people's labor. Straight from the manifesto you find 'from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs' People are incentivized to be lazy and complacent, and just yell about how much stuff they need. Working harder than your neighbor does not get you more stuff and inventing new technology does not get you new stuff.

      This is broadly true about US style capitalism as well. The only guaranteed path to success under any form of government is to be someone who takes advantage of others and doesn't play fair. The method of "not playing fair but not getting into trouble" varies depending on the government and the available options, but those who use these tactics are almost always successful.

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    42. Re: Given that Venezuela's economy is tanking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Read this in 10 years after you have a job, kid. You're going to cringe.

      Read it now, when you have a job under the thumb of some "manager" in a corporation, and you'll realize that it's long been true, that the owners take, and the laborers are taken from, whether they be slaves, or mere peons.

      And instead of cringing like a servile, domesticated, serf, rise up and break your chains.

    43. Re:Given that Venezuela's economy is tanking by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      Did you type that on iPhone or android or PC? You would have none of that relying on communism, which institutionalizes the dictatorship you lambaste.

      There is no such thing as real communism that has never been tried. It is a dictatorship at its core. People are not free to satisfy the needs or desires of others, so it will always lag and fail at even the basics.

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    44. Re:Given that Venezuela's economy is tanking by goose-incarnated · · Score: 1

      You realize that the (socialist) anarchist dream world doesn't even have a state? Or that communism as defined by Marx doesn't really have a state?

      Of course it requires a state. How else do they get to enforce the communal rule? It's COMMUNist for a reason, and requires an enforcer to ensure that each only get what they require and no more.

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    45. Re: Given that Venezuela's economy is tanking by BlueStrat · · Score: 1

      I'll just leave this here for you.

      https://soundcloud.com/glennbe...

      Strat

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    46. Re: Given that Venezuela's economy is tanking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Props on this comment - motivating.

    47. Re:Given that Venezuela's economy is tanking by ncc74656 · · Score: 1

      Kinda hard to do when [Chavez is] dead.

      True enough, but Maduro's hardly any better.

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    48. Re:Given that Venezuela's economy is tanking by Ranbot · · Score: 1

      because of a temporary drop in oil prices (we're a long way off from oil becoming worthless) why the heck are they doing so bad? I'm not gonna chuck if up to gov't corruption because _everywhere_ has that. Usually the rest of the world will send some aid to a country floundering like this. Heck even Greece got some. Did they piss everybody off somehow?

      Venezuela's over-reliance on oil and low global oil prices may be the spark that started their economic fire, but they made a many other really bad economic decisions before and after the oil price drop that made things much much worse. Mind you there are other oil-dependent countries with economies that may be hurting, but they aren't spiraling into economic collapse like Venezuela...there's a lot more bad stuff going on there. I highly recommend listening to NPR's Planet Money podcast about Venezuela's current economic collapse, here: http://www.npr.org/sections/mo...

    49. Re: Given that Venezuela's economy is tanking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lol read all of your comments. You're a socialist, globalist, MSM propaganda, Philosophy major(liberal). You haven't done any real research if you don't believe that these government systems are correct. Socialism leads to proselytizing, which is happening all over Sweden and Germany right now if you wanna look it up but I'm sure you'reâ just a stupid fuck who won't care to look up this fresh info, all you're going to do is recite some argument from you're highest philosophy class. Do yourself a favor and go back to school. We need more engineers. Anyway, your arguments are a joke. Go fuck yourself.

    50. Re:Given that Venezuela's economy is tanking by Espectr0 · · Score: 1

      last part is false, Venezuela has still lots of friends, even powerful ones like China and Russia, because we send them cheap oil.

      Cuba defended us as recent as few days ago. Look it up.

      Granted, we have lost some friends, such as Peru, Chile, Brasil, Paraguay, Argentina and Colombia, since they have mostly switched to right wing governments. And we are going down the drain at an alarming rate, as yesterday the Supreme Court basically legalized a coup d'tat.

    51. Re:Given that Venezuela's economy is tanking by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

      without capitalist countries, who will be there to provide food aid to communist countries?

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  4. Very interesting! by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 2

    This is a very interesting development, and use of the bitcoin/blockchain technology.

    Hypothetically, it's difficult to collect works of art in media forms that are easy to copy. For example, it'd be hard to have a 500 print "limited edition, collectible" screensaver image.

    But an artist could mint their own cryptocoin sell one with each registered copy of their work. The person who "owns" the official copy would keep the bitcoin safe, and be assured that only 500 of the limited edition versions were ever made. (Along with some security from the artist, publishing their crypto signature for provenance verification, and so on).

    This wouldn't prevent people from copying or using the screensavers, but it could make certain forms collectible. This would eliminate counterfeiting in those forms.

    The trading cards are just one example of this.

    1. Re:Very interesting! by TooManyNames · · Score: 1

      But why honor that collectibility? I mean, this isn't like counterfeiting physical paintings, where counterfeiting only produces something very similar to original artwork; this allows for counterfeiting wherein the counterfeit art would be, bit-for-bit, indistinguishable from the original, save for a cryptographic signature that doesn't actually contribute anything artistic to the piece. In essence, the scarcity doesn't derive from the actual artwork; it derives from the signature for the artwork.

      Maybe there will be some people anal enough to care about that signature, but at that point, why even attach art to it? If scarcity is all you're really after, then couldn't you say, "Random person of note X sent out only Y amount of signatures, and I got one! It's so valuable!" Don't you think that bubble will burst sooner than later if you try to apply it to actual economies?

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    2. Re:Very interesting! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The transferable asset is identical to bitcoin, except it also happens to come with artwork. There is no need to honor the art as unique or rare in itself.

    3. Re:Very interesting! by hackertourist · · Score: 1

      It goes beyond art. They've implemented Bitcoin banknotes.

    4. Re:Very interesting! by athmanb · · Score: 1

      Because the collectibility is what they're using for fiat money, and the value in fiat money is in the consensus in the population that the value exists. You can make a bit-for-bit copy of that image if you want, but nobody is going to give you a chicken in trade for it.

    5. Re:Very interesting! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In essence, the scarcity doesn't derive from the actual artwork; it derives from the signature for the artwork.

      It's worked mostly well for thousands of years. There has always been the threat of counterfeit copies of course, which the colorcoin method solves, but even without that our methods of detecting counterfeits has more or less advanced along with methods to make counterfeits.
      Cat and mouse I know, but that's just always been the way of things

      Maybe there will be some people anal enough to care about that signature, but at that point, why even attach art to it?

      True, the subset of people that are "collectors" is pretty small, and the subset of collectors that either care about or can play in the world of high value items is even smaller yet, but (and I don't at all mean to speak for everyone) the act of doing so triggers quite a few natural human responses that are (at least by us collectors) considered positive.

      If you are not the type to enjoy collecting, none of the following may make any sense to you.
      Note I'm not trying to convince you to start collecting, or to change who you are or say anything is wrong with you for not feeling the same.
      But for me personally I enjoy collecting for a number of reasons.

      One is to support the artists I enjoy the work of. Obviously that is hugely subjective, but for various styles of art there are typically some big name creators that come and go more or less generational. For my specific tastes this pool of creators is pretty small, or rather at least of the ones I consider to be exceptionally good at it. I have no doubt even others with similar tastes to mine would disagree with my list, but that's fine, they probably have their own list of exceptional creators they keep tabs on.
      In any case, it feels good to assure the people you feel do exceptional work are rewarded for it, and hopefully encouraged to keep making it.

      Another reason is to have something that not many others have.
      This may not be seen as all that positive of a trait, but at least when its limited to artwork it really does harm no one, except perhaps others that feel the same and don't own said thing, and even then it only hurts their feelings.
      You can boil it down to "bragging rights" if you wish, but the fact is those bragging rights make me feel good when I have them, and left out when I don't.
      At least I'm not taking over countries or keeping wealth or food out of the hands of people or anything :P

      But why honor that collectibility?
      -snip-
      If scarcity is all you're really after, then couldn't you say, "Random person of note X sent out only Y amount of signatures, and I got one! It's so valuable!" Don't you think that bubble will burst sooner than later if you try to apply it to actual economies?

      If I and everyone else that owned a signed and numbered "lady of pain" statue one day discovered the artist made and sold hundreds of #123 instead of just one, I'm pretty sure nearly everyone would stop buying that artists limited editions and get the cheaper left overs instead, or simply not buy from them ever again for moral reasons.

      Not to mention, the art itself isn't usually limited in whole like that. Or at least not for the cheap stuff I have to limit myself to, I can't speak for the paintings that cost millions or anything like that.

      Usually how it works, the artist offers say 1000 signed and numbered copies for $500 each.
      They also produce a ton of unsigned non-limited (or numbered) copies that sell for much cheaper, say $50.

      So yes, you are paying 10x "just for the signature" (and being serialized), but you can look at this as a form of donation above and beyond being made to the artist that you happen to get at least something in return for. Since that something costs them very little (some time to sign it, track the numbers, but doesn't cost them money to do) you are directly benefiting the artist

  5. I don't know how many tps happen in Venezuela by Baron_Yam · · Score: 1

    But I bet it's higher than ~3.5, which means this is a niche solution even if they're the only people in the world using Bitcoin. It's also stupid, but hey, a lot of things that people use to make a living are stupid.

    And no matter what the ledger says, the person in physical possession of the trading card is the one who owns it, because the government isn't going to recognize Bitcoin as proof of ownership.

    So really, we're talking about a barter economy because the Venezuelan bolÃvar is in the shitter, and a portion of people using a particular item as a substitute for currency tracking it (though it's not really currency since it IS the value, not a promissory note) with a blockchain.

    Err... OK. Personally, I'd just keep the damn cards somewhere safe. Or, given that you're already hiding economic activity from the government by using something other than the official currency, I'd just use the USD everyone would ultimately exchange the cards for anyway. More reliable value, easier to subdivide, easier to spend if you get out of the country.

    1. Re: I don't know how many tps happen in Venezuela by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But USD has no rare Pepe.

  6. The weird economics of Trump memes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Venezuela's government thought they could print as much money as they wanted and got a hard lesson that the real worth of the currency is what you can buy with it, not unlike the hyper inflation in Zimbabwe. There's only so much oil & other stuff that users of Venezuala's currency can provide, so ever additional bit of currency dilutes the value of the rest of it. The fact that their economy is so dependent on oil is only part of that equation, though it is an important part that might have been mitigated if things were managed more like, say, Norway.

    1. Re:The weird economics of Trump memes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kek.

  7. Re:They are chickenshits by MightyMartian · · Score: 0

    In part be because it's a horribly corrupt country run by crooks, and in part because it is a petrostate whose economy is largely dependent on oil sales, and because it's run by plundering thieves, there's no sovereign wealth fund, so low oil prices means economic collapse. Furthermore Venezuela cannot hope to raise money because their only friends are other poor Latin American countries, and wealthier investors wouldn't extend them credit.

    With the exception of China, which will probably end up owning the country before it's done.

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  8. PRAISE KEK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I cannot believe Pepe is the face of real currency now. Someone must awaken the God Emperor at once.

    1. Re: PRAISE KEK by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Pepe must flow.

  9. Rare Pepe ? by rossdee · · Score: 1

    I orefer my pepes well done thankyou.

    1. Re:Rare Pepe ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No white nationalist pepe's for you.

    2. Re:Rare Pepe ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well-done Pepe, do not steak.

  10. Go Bitcoin! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I see the value bitcoin skyrocketing right now....

    1. Re:Go Bitcoin! by quonset · · Score: 1

      I see the value bitcoin skyrocketing right now....

      Yes, skyrocketing down is an apt description. It's lost roughly 20% of its "value" this month (see chart in article).

    2. Re: Go Bitcoin! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, it was $13 per coin when I put $10k into it. I've only retired twenty years early. What a catastrophe.

  11. POX? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It seems like a worthy successor to the Magic the Gathering Online eXchange (MtGOX) would be the Pepe Online eXchange

  12. Given that Venezuela's economy is tanked. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So the US is now the new OPEC? My how things change.

    1. Re: Given that Venezuela's economy is tanked. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope. Just got tired of being fucked by them.

  13. Obligatory XKCD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    https://xkcd.com/512/

  14. Pepe by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

    There's a different Pepe that's appropriate to Venezuela. He comes from Warner Brothers.

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  15. That makes more sense by plopez · · Score: 1

    than using bit of metal as currency.

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  16. Let me get this straight. by Dishevel · · Score: 1

    People are using Pepe Cards with Bitcoin. Pepe (The guy the media has tried to tie to Trump and Racism.) To help save the economy of Venezuela. (The country sitting on shitloads of wealth that they can not use cause the went commie and retard at the same time.)

    Trump racism saves the lefts favorite government?

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  17. Capitalism has made similar mistakes by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    Capitalism made the same mistake when Ireland relied too heavily on potatoes because they grew so well and were profitable ... until they all got sick.

    Lesson: don't put all your economy in one basket, whether you are commies, socialists, capitalists, or some mix.

    1. Re:Capitalism has made similar mistakes by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      some Micks

      FTFY,SID,SAB.

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  18. Famine by Tenebrousedge · · Score: 1

    Let's stop you right there. Food production in Ireland rose during the famine. The problem was that the English were more interested in acquiring land, and also in genocide. Why don't you go read the wikipedia article on the subject. Your platitude may or may not be sound but your example is seriously off base. It's like blaming the Shoah on capitalism: there may be some senses in which it could be considered true, but it mostly happened because the people in charge wanted it to happen.

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    1. Re:Famine by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      The potato disease was still the PRIMARY cause of the famine according to your source. If their society were well run perhaps they could have re-allocated quicker, but society rarely rapidly overhauls itself quickly and well at the same time. That's asking too much of humans.

  19. Re:They are chickenshits by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    The story lost me after "developers", but I'm getting a distinct whiff of hype with undertones of scam.

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  20. Hmm. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They're fighting socialism with memes? What is this, the 2016 election?

  21. Re: They are chickenshits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Poor people trying to create a pyramid scheme to sell to others so they can get rich.