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London Terrorist Used WhatsApp, UK Calls For Backdoors (yahoo.com)
Wednesday 52-year-old Khalid Masood "drove a rented SUV into pedestrians on Westminster Bridge before smashing it into Parliament's gates and rushing onto the grounds, where he fatally stabbed a policeman and was shot by other officers," writes the Associated Press. An anonymous reader quotes their new report:
Westminster Bridge attacker Khalid Masood sent a WhatsApp message that cannot be accessed because it was encrypted by the popular messaging service, a top British security official said Sunday. British press reports suggest Masood used the messaging service owned by Facebook just minutes before the Wednesday rampage that left three pedestrians and one police officer dead and dozens more wounded.... Home Secretary Amber Rudd used appearances on BBC and Sky News to urge WhatsApp and other encrypted services to make their platforms accessible to intelligence services and police trying to carrying out lawful eavesdropping. "We need to make sure that organizations like WhatsApp -- and there are plenty of others like that -- don't provide a secret place for terrorists to communicate with each other," she said...
Rudd also urged technology companies to do a better job at preventing the publication of material that promotes extremism. She plans to meet with firms Thursday about setting up an industry board that would take steps to make the web less useful to extremists.
Rudd also urged technology companies to do a better job at preventing the publication of material that promotes extremism. She plans to meet with firms Thursday about setting up an industry board that would take steps to make the web less useful to extremists.
She's simply the latest of a long line of British ministers who don't really understand the first thing about the Internet and its associated technologies.
Hilariously, in the same interview she claimed that Google was at fault because it was far to easy to find ‘stabbing instructions’ online.
+1 car and truck manufacturers need to put protections in place so that extremists cant use their vehicles.
Why should we have to go to the airport to be strip searched and scanned for weapons and explosives ? Our cars can be doing that to us every time we get in !! Problem solved
Also it would be useful if manufacturers put in a backdoor so that after all extremists are neutralized we can go after the politically inconvenient
J/k the only thing needing a backdoor is govt , so we can sneak in some rational thinking
When I use WhatsApp through my phone, it shows the history of my conversations. Presumably the police have recovered Masoods phone, can use one of the numerous ways to get into it, and can thus see what messages he sent over WhatsApp and to whom.
In short, why the hell can't Plod read Masoods last words over WhatsApp? Also if they knew he used WhatsApp, that shows they have either broken into his phone already or picked up some data from his ISP already.
Further, the latest UK Investigatory Powers Act regarding security only wanted metadata, not content, and a great deal of effort was spent convincing the general public that this was all that is needed.
So my question is, is my view of the situation wrong or is Amber Rudd technologically clueless?
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Postal chess was forbidden in the US during WWII, putatively becaue it might be a secret code...
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"23 By the time Lot reached Zoar, the sun had risen over the land. 24 Then the Lord rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrahâ"from the Lord out of the heavens. 25 Thus he overthrew those cities and the entire plain, destroying all those living in the citiesâ"and also the vegetation in the land. 26 But Lotâ(TM)s wife looked back, and she became a pillar of salt." - Genesis 19:23-26
"He has revealed to you the Book with truth, verifying that which is before it, and He revealed the Torch and the Gospels aforetime, a guidance for the people, and He sent the Furqan." - Quran 3:3
Same story. The Quran was sent to confirm what was sent before.
Say I'm living in a repressive society. I NEED to destroy or kill government officials to live free.
If I am unable to communicate, then I am left nude with no recourse alone and helpless.
If I can communicate, I can form a revolution, I can change society for the better and improve all of our lives.
We cannot destroy our freedom of expression
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety"
The terrorist killed 3 people. There are billions of us, and our voices should not be silenced because of madmen and the power hungry elite, both sides of the same extremist coin. The politician calling for the silencing of everyone is no different than the madman trying to silence those against his ideals, she just does it in a smoother way. It is no less destructive and limiting.
We must bear with reality, bear with our pain, bear with our human reactions. We must not pervert what it is to be ourselves to make others feel safe, or else there will be nothing left which we can point to and say "THIS IS US, imperfectly beautiful".
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Once upon a time, a woman was picking up firewood. She came upon a poisonous snake frozen in the snow. She took the snake home and nursed it back to health. One day the snake bit her on the cheek. As she lay dying, she asked the snake, "Why have you done this to me?" And the snake answered, "Look, bitch, you knew I was a snake."
::cough:: I'll just leave this here... ::cough::
1,400 raped children in the UK by Muslim pedo ring while the UK police looked the other way to "not seem racist." (That's not even exaggerating.)
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-eng...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
I guess ignorance really is bliss.
Thank you for that very sincere and interesting post. Now there is just one thing I'd like to ask you that I didn't quite get: You mention "social support", what kind of social support do you mean? What kind of social support do you think would enable high immigration and still enable integration? Many Western societies have tried throwing money at the problem, and unfortunately that hasn't worked very well.
I have a similar anecdote which is not related to religion per se, but it covers cultural shifts too. My East-European country prior to end of WWII was mainly agrarian traditional society. After the war, communists came in power and started forced industrialization, stimulating massive migrations of previously rural inhabitants into cities, which grew, where former farmers became blue-collar working class, or students, then new intelligentsia. It was followed with cultural change, acquiring new habits and ways of life, cultural change and adopting new (Western) taste in clothing, music, and social behaviour. However, nearing the end of the 20th century, apparent became an underground trend which gradually became dominant: those new urbanites obviously suffered from some kind of countryside nostalgia and sort of guilt, and they bought into cheap country-flavoured kitsch and whatever was peddled to them as "traditional", including ethnic differentiation and chauvinism against "historical enemy" ethnic groups. It became fashionable to be "old way", to profess religiousness in blatant ways, to idealize not-at-all-rosy past, to reject democratic values for traditional authoritarianism and wish for "restoration" of prior "greatness" which never actually was.
I'd say that the mechanism behind what you are describing is basically the same: As humans approach the end of their physical existence, most of them start feeling the guilt for straying away from their traditional upbringing. There is ebb and flow in cultural influence. Perhaps they are more willing to change while they are young and need the world, wish to find partners for procreation, various friends to learn from, or co-work with on attaining success in life, but once their thirst for wide social connections wane, their internal wish to satisfy their parents and ancestors pushes them to change their mind back, and then they imprint that on their offspring. Your parents probably got you when they were young and the world was a better place and the things were probably going for the better in your ancestral land, too, with visible benefits from opening up to the world. Alternatively, your parents actually did succeed better then the most, reaped the rewards of cultural change, and I suppose you did well yourself, too.
Hey. I dont know if a sure fire way. But i leave the door open for good government policy to provide social support.
I could see things like social workers working closely with families. Not to take kids away from parents, but to help people parent. Maybe schools can provide services for things like kids threatened with being disowned or beat...
Also i think the general social environment should allow for discussion. Probably the one that annoys me most is that white people actively attack their right wing. Its not socially acceptable today to attack islams right wing. And i dont mean terrorism here. Just social things. I dont care about the hijab but i mean is it a thing to be celebrated? No where else do western people support slut shaming and female modesty dreas codes. Just treat immigrants with the same standards u expect of anyone else.