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HTC Introduces Eye-Tracking 'VR Ad Service' (pcgamer.com)

We all knew this day would come: HTC has introduced a "VR Ad Service" that knows when viewers are actively looking at ads. "Ads that appear in immersive VR environments can not only provide more effective impressions, they can also track whether the users have viewed them or have turned away their gaze. Accordingly, the multiplied effect of effective impressions and verified viewings will bring you higher advertising revenue!" HTC explains. PC Gamer reports: Advertisers will only pay for ads after they've been viewed, according to Business Insider. Some of the formats they will use include loading scenes, 2D and 3D in-app placements, app recommendation banners, and big screen video. This will be an opt-in ad service for developers. HTC notes that by opting in, "all of your free apps would be automatically put on the list which can be used to integrate VR Ads." News of in-game ads coming to VR isn't exactly the sort of thing that will excite gamers. If there's a silver lining here, it's that ads are more likely to be relevant to the viewer's interests over time, at least in theory. "Compared to ordinary ad impressions, ads that are seen by users in a immersive VR environment can not only meet the user's needs by means of precise re-targeting, but can also be detected if they are viewed effectively by users," HTC states. "Therefore, promotion of your applications would have much more effective impression, which not only arouses the attention of potential users and enhance brand image, but further attracts interested users directly to download your apps in the VR environment!"

87 comments

  1. Is this is still the obnoxious 1st april prank ? by aepervius · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "If there's a silver lining here" no there isn't any. Advertiser knowing more about us is not a silver lining it is an invasion of our privacy. But then again I am actively trying to block all ads and actively trying to make my browser less track-able, so my opinion on that probably does not count. But boy, if this is not a 1st april news prank, this is not a good new and this came to be faaaaar quicker than I estimated. I thought they would have waited that VR has a stronger hold before making it toxic.

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  2. Remember when... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Remember when this sort of thing would be considered an april fool's joke? Now it's just too realistic.

  3. Anyone seen Black Mirror's Fifteen Million Merits? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    S01E02.

    One of the things they had were these weird cubes people lived in where all the walls and ceiling were basically LCD panels. Occasionally they'd get blasted by advertisements, and when the protagonist closed his eyes or averted his gaze, all the screens would lock down with this red warning that said "RESUME VIEWING" while a high pitched alternating tone filled the room.

    Here's one of the scenes in question:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5eGo1vE41w

    I was wondering how long it'd take before some company implemented something exactly like that. Looks like we're already there...

  4. good way to kill VR. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >Some of the formats they will use include loading scenes, 2D and 3D in-app placements, app recommendation banners, and big screen video

    oh good, just what we all want...:
    -VR punch the monkey banners ("punch it for real this time!... oops, don't hit grandma walking past you!")
    -commercial breaks before the boss fights ("this boss fight brought to you by..." or "buy our game guide to find out the secrets of this boss fight! beat it on the first try!")
    -pop-ups over everything you're trying to do (probably with easily-accidentally clicked buttons to buy/view-more-info/approve-tracking). ...and more innovative ways to annoy you than ever!

    >arouses the attention of potential users and enhance brand image

    let me fix that for you: "arouses the disgust of the potential users and degrades the brand image".

    you better hope something like Ublock Origin VR, Ghostery VR, NoScript VR, etc. are gonna be available if you want to wade into the sewage VR is going to become if advertisers get their way.

    1. Re:good way to kill VR. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup. Thought mobile gaming was bad? The novelty of VR likely won't outweigh the existing negatives on top of shit like this. Maybe they're thinking 50 years ahead.

      We need to start thinking about what the purpose of technology is in our lives instead of letting giant corporations decide that for us for their own financial benefit. We will most certainly end up in a fucking dystopia if we let this continue as it is. There are ways that technology can help us of course and we need to focus on those, not how can we use technology to create billions of addicts with mass ADD that corporations get rich off of through ads, in app purchases, and subscriptons.

    2. Re:good way to kill VR. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This will kill VR? And even maybe for good? Yay!!! Go for it HTC!!

    3. Re:good way to kill VR. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oculus Rift was already killing VR by including spyware.

  5. I HATE advertisements! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    I really think advertisements are a curse upon humanity. Surely HTC and app developers can survive without VR ads -- and, yet, HTC wants to tap in to the same revenue stream which made Google huge. I know companies with shareholders are driven to seek profit almost anywhere within legal limits, but I wish we lived in a world where consideration of the experiences of fellow humans had a higher priority than profit.

    1. Re: I HATE advertisements! by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 0

      Yes. Advertisements are such a curse! I absolutely HATE knowing what options I have available to me when I want to purchase something. Not only that, it cost me SO MUCH TIME to simply ignore the ones that don't interest me. Let's here it for the increased ignorance that lack of advertising could bring!

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    2. Re: I HATE advertisements! by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Let's here it

      Where?

      for the increased ignorance that lack of advertising could bring!

      We could still find out about new products without advertising as we know it today. They would be reported upon.

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    3. Re: I HATE advertisements! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are a complete moron if you think advertising is about giving consumers choices.

      If you want to buy something you can do research online. If you only make choices based on advertising you see, you are the exact kind of sucker the advertisers are looking for.

    4. Re: I HATE advertisements! by LesFerg · · Score: 1

      The suggestion that advertising could be included in "free" apps is hard to debate, tho I prefer to pay for the games I use and not be bothered with suggestions of other things I could pay for, while playing the game.
      I guess it would be different if the advertisers wanted to provide us with the VR gear for free tho... bring on your free games with ads if you give me the hardware to use it on my PS4 : )

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    5. Re: I HATE advertisements! by LesFerg · · Score: 1

      I still consciously avoid products that have been promoted in annoying advertisements, if there is an alternative brand available.

      There are only a very small number of advertisements which I have seen (the first 2 times anyway) and noted to be a clever, amusing and/or non-annoying ad. Can't recall if that has encouraged me to buy that particular brand instead of another tho.

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    6. Re:I HATE advertisements! by Neuronwelder · · Score: 1

      You don't need someone to watch you. What you are interested in, you will click on, because actions speak louder than eyes.

    7. Re:I HATE advertisements! by rtb61 · · Score: 2

      Never ever forget targeted ads are actually a scam. The advertising was targeted but it was not targeted at end users, it was targeted at advertisers. Reality of targeted advertising;

      1. Search for new car
      2. Buy new car based upon specs and price
      3. Data miner recognises you 'WERE' looking for a new car.
      4. Where the fuck are all the stupid car ads coming from, I just bought a car why the fuck would I buy another one.
      5. Convince advertisers this works.
      6. Profit (until the advertisers go broke targeting ads at people after they have bought products).

      Targeted ads, should have only ever been targeted at content ie common fucking sense, it is what people are interested in at the fucking time, for fuck sake. Targeting ads at what people were interested in, is fucking stupid but a great scam from which Google et al make a ton of money, targeting their advertising at advertisers and just pretending to target end users.

      The of course https://adnauseam.io/, bwa hah hah, good luck targeting that particular add on.

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    8. Re:I HATE advertisements! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " I know companies with shareholders are driven to seek profit almost anywhere within legal limits, "

      Within legal limits. Ahahahahahahahaha. No really, it's funny you even assume they care about that. How many times have we seen companies do explicit, obvious, illegal things simply because someone in the chain of command determined they could make more money than the legal fines they'd be hit with -if- they got caught.

  6. Re:Anyone seen Black Mirror's Fifteen Million Meri by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Well, does anyone have an advice on how to stop spammer from reaching me? Not because I hate it, not because their products are bad, but because I am broke. I owe about one million dollars, I dont have a job, I dont have a girlfrien, I dont need a bigger dick, I am not fat or bald, and I dont want neither do I need to look at their ads, Please, is there some way io can inform these spammers that I am broke? They are wasting their time, please bother someone else who has money.

  7. What silver lining? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nothing about this is good. More tracking, less privacy, but the worst, worst part in all this? We're going to be punished for this crap.

    We're going to be told "you don't look at ads enough, we have to charge you more now". We're going to be told "not enough of the data plans you pay for are being wasted on complete trash, and you're going to pay for this". Double-dipping will rise to new heights.

    This is the kind of "service" for which everyone who proudly presented and developed it should be 'removed' for crimes against humanity.

    1. Re: What silver lining? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Silver lining is maybe it gets banned. Advertising is banned in some cities, Sao Paulo is one I think.

  8. Its my eyeballs ... by Alain+Williams · · Score: 1

    don't I get a say in this ?

    1. Re:Its my eyeballs ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      nope.

      in corporate america, the ads watch YOU (watching the ads).

    2. Re:Its my eyeballs ... by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      don't I get a say in this ?

      Yes, you do. You get to say whether you wear a VR headset or not. Just like now you can decide to watch TV or not.

      For instance, I watch Netflix. Haven't seen an ad in years....

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    3. Re:Its my eyeballs ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For instance, I watch Netflix. Haven't seen an ad in years....

      Of course you've seen them, you're just too thick to realize it.

  9. Re:Anyone seen Black Mirror's Fifteen Million Meri by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2

    Yeah, that was exactly what I thought of. Of course right now they are mostly thinking about ads on loading screens and about product placement: they put a can of Slurm in your VR scene, and get paid if your eyes linger long enough on that can. But I can also imagine how tempting it must be to resume the advertising arms race, and require viewing of the ad. Or, since the revenue stream requires you to at least glance at the ad, make it as obnoxious as possible: think bouncing buttons and flashing colors.

    Because that's all this is: an arms race. Companies aren't magically going to increase their advertising budgets; they might spend more on one particular platform if it proves to be more effective, but it most likely means they are spending less elsewhere. And can we please kill this lie about "targeted, engaging" ads? No one wants ads when they interrupt or interfere with the viewing experience. Not even when it's a single, relevant ad, let alone the customary scattershot of crap this will inevitably devolve into.

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  10. Re:Anyone seen Black Mirror's Fifteen Million Meri by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My first thought was the scene in futurama where they first go online and get attacked by a swarm of adverts. I don't think it was trying to be prescient but looks like they may have been.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlGklt4BSQ8

  11. This isn't going to go over well. by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While cheapy smartphone games may be so plentiful and cheap that they can be used for cannon fodder, VR games are still relatively few in number and costly. Nobody is going to pay for $60 game to get blasted by ads. If the games were free, people would put up with it but VR games are costly to develop and ads easily spoil any type of emotional environment they work at constructing. I don't foresee this getting any traction.

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    1. Re:This isn't going to go over well. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wouldn't be quite so certain. When banner ads started appearing on web pages I never thought people would put up with it, given how frowned upon internet advertising had been before that. But they did.

      When pages started using javascript to make things flash and make noises I never thought people would put up with it, but they did.

      When pages started using pop-overs and pop-unders I never thought people would put up with it, but they did.

      When pages started using invisible trackers from dozens or hundreds of weird domains I never thought people would put up with it, but they did.

      When TV sets started recording audio from inside your house and sending it "somewhere" I never thought people would put up with it, but they did.

      As far as I can tell, there is simply no limit to what people will accept. Outside a small demographic that is massively over-represented on slashdot compared to the general public I see no evidence or reason to think these won't be accepted like every other form of intrusive advertising that came before.

    2. Re:This isn't going to go over well. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I think there's actually more room for ads in VR, because you can use product placement in the same way that they use it in movies and TV. For example, the character is consuming a fizzy canned beverage. On TV, different labels can be mapped onto the beverage for different markets. In VR, different labels can be mapped onto the beverage for different customers. When done tastefully, you'll hardly even notice. Of course, with ubiquitous tracking bugs, ads will be able to follow you from websites into games, which I think is where it starts to become uncanny. That will be immediately noticeable.

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    3. Re:This isn't going to go over well. by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

      Nobody is going to pay for $60 game to get blasted by ads.

      That's what you think

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  12. Re:Juden advertiser beliefs advertised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Logan Abbott\whipslash why hide what your JUDEN sponsors believe in you fucking crony traitor bastard?

  13. April Fools! by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Not eye-tracking ads, that's totally plausible. The idea that you're not going to have to pay for ad impressions unless someone looks at your ad is the joke. They might give you some eye-tracking information if someone looks at your ad, though, and maybe you'll pay more.

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  14. Re:JUDEN advertising? Here's Juden belief by negRo_slim · · Score: 0

    Never play their game.

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  15. Re:Is this is still the obnoxious 1st april prank by sheramil · · Score: 1

    "If there's a silver lining here" no there isn't any. Advertiser knowing more about us is not a silver lining it is an invasion of our privacy.

    It's an invasion of privacy if your attention is being tracked by their software.

    And if you're wearing one of their VR helmets.

    And if anybody bothers to create any content for their VR system.

    And if people actually buy it.

    And if they aren't using a cracked version that has the ad-tracking software disabled, or fudged to make their software think you have an unnatural obsession with one particular advertisement.

    That's a lot of ifs.

    For the rest of us in the mundane quotidian real world, it's not so much a privacy issue as something to laugh at.

  16. The "engaging ad" lie by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    Dear advertising customers. Yes, you out there who fall for the lie that ad companies tell you. That you can actually "engage" or otherwise get anyone interested in your ad by making it topical, or making it about something the person is actually interested in. The sad truth is that your ad can be as topical and engaging as could be about something I want and still it would be considered a nuisance. Allow me to inform you why.

    Take YouTube. You know, that online TV-Replacement. Where I, as a user, can decide that "hey, I want to see a video". Now, let's imagine I want to see a video of my favorite music band. I type in the name of the band and the name of the song, expecting to watch the video to said song.

    Now you could come with the most on-topic ad one could imagine: Imagine you're a music promoter and you'd want to promote a gig of that band in my home town. It does not get any more on-topic, engaging and interesting to the customer than this. And STILL I would not even see what you are promoting but rather annoyed click on the 5 second ticker that ticks down to "skip". Because at that very moment, my expectation and my "want" was to see that video. Not your ad, not anything else, I want that video. Anything that stands between me and that video is a nuisance, distraction and generally something I do NOT want.

    You see the problem? When people are actively trying to get something specific, anything that blocks their access to it is seen as an interruption and nuisance that they want to get rid of. No matter what it is.

    What does work a lot better is when people watch some videos of one of their YouTube favorites and you can get them to endorse your product, especially if they have the skill to weave that in an interesting way into their presentation. Because more often than not they watch the channel for the person and his or her presenting style, not exclusively for the content presented, so the person they like presenting your product in an engaging way can actually work. Provided your product is in any way sensibly connected with the show at hand.

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    1. Re: The "engaging ad" lie by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Fun fact: "Everyone thinks they are immune to the effects of advertising, but studies show everyone is mistaken."

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    2. Re: The "engaging ad" lie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean, those ads (um, studies) that encourage companies to advertise in the first place?

      How meta.

    3. Re: The "engaging ad" lie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not me. I'm 100% immune to ads. Don't pay attention at all.

      God I'm thirsty. Hand me a cuke.

    4. Re: The "engaging ad" lie by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Fun fact: "Everyone thinks they are immune to the effects of advertising, but studies show everyone is mistaken."

      I don't think I'm immune to the effects, I think I have fostered in myself other effects which are stronger. For example, the "I'm not going to buy your shit because I hate your commercial" effect.

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    5. Re:The "engaging ad" lie by sir-gold · · Score: 1

      What does work a lot better is when people watch some videos of one of their YouTube favorites and you can get them to endorse your product, especially if they have the skill to weave that in an interesting way into their presentation. Because more often than not they watch the channel for the person and his or her presenting style, not exclusively for the content presented, so the person they like presenting your product in an engaging way can actually work. Provided your product is in any way sensibly connected with the show at hand.

      As a side note, in the early days of TV, ALL commercials were like this, simply because it wasn't technically feasible to 'cut' to a pre-recorded commercial. Commercials were all done live within the show itself, sometimes with a product endorsement, sometimes by panning the camera over to an off-stage table with a product display, and sometimes by just holding a sign in front of the camera with a live voice-over.

    6. Re: The "engaging ad" lie by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Ok, name 3 products you have seen YouTube ads for.

      Hell, I'd fail at naming one. All I see is 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, skip.

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    7. Re:The "engaging ad" lie by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      This can actually have way more impact than a prerecorded ad if (and only if) a few criteria are met.

      First and foremost, the viewer not only has to trust the person doing the promotion, but he also has to believe the person. The ad subject has to match the person doing it. Imagine I'm doing a show about how to keep your computer and home network safe and free of spyware and other nuisance, you'd probably not really consider me too believable if I run ads for, say, dishwasher detergent. Of course I might use some, but who died and made me an expert on washing dishes? You'd probably be more inclined to believe me if I endorsed some security product. But even that depends on how much you trust me and how much you trust me to value you, as a viewer, more than ad money. And before you say "duh, why'd you want me more than money?", consider that all the average YouTuber has is his reputation and on that pretty much hinges all his subscribers, who, in turn, are the ones that mean ad revenue and (and that part is becoming more and more important as we speak) who may support him financially, either via services like Patreon or by buying merchandise.

      The YouTube ad model is failing, by the way. But that's a different story.

      So you first of all have to believe the presenter not only to be honest with you but the product also has to match the show so you believe that he knows what he's talking about. And to make matters even worse, the product has to be something that you COULD be interested in. If you're watching a show about computer security, you might actually be interested in knowing what antivirus software you should buy. If you're watching a show about music production, chances are that you are producing music and an ad about how to sell your music profitably may be interesting to you. So the ad has to be on topic. It has to match the show.

      And finally, and that's the most important part: The ad absolutely MUST be entertaining. Or else people will still skip it, at least after seeing it once. That also means that you can't just rattle down the same text in every video you're doing. Take a good ad. An entertaining one. Let's say the Nissan ad with the pigeons. That's a funny one.

      Once.

      Maybe twice.

      Now please go and watch that ad 5 times. Still funny? Still entertaining? Or does it get annoying? Keep watching it. How many times can you watch it before you're just fed up enough that you do not want to see it ever again?

      So what the channel host has to do, and this is his incredibly big advantage over normal ads, is to give it a little twist every time he spins it. Keep it entertaining! Add a line or two about it, connect it with current events, you can do a lot here but you MUST NOT be boring. People hate boring stuff when they're watching something to get entertained. And they will mercilessly skip anything that they consider boring or "seen before".

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  17. Shitty ads with shitty VR by AndyKron · · Score: 1

    Shitty ads with shitty VR. I can't wait. Really, I'm not waiting. Also, Samsung Gear VR sucks noobs. What a waste of money.

    1. Re:Shitty ads with shitty VR by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      For a second, I read that as "Samsung Gear VR sucks boobs" and I was willing to give it a chance.

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  18. Re:Anyone seen Black Mirror's Fifteen Million Meri by MrL0G1C · · Score: 1

    but because I am broke. I owe about one million dollars, I dont have a job, I dont have a girlfrien, I dont need a bigger dick, I am not fat or bald, and I dont want neither do I need to look at their ads,

    Sounds like you need a beer, BUY CHEAP BEER ONLINE...

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  19. Re: JUDEN ADVERTISERS advertise this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To whomever keeps posting this shit. You are giving Donald Trump a run for his money in the douchebag category. Nobody is reading your drivel, so kindly FOAD. Thanks!

  20. Re:JUDEN advertising? Here's Juden belief by bigwheel · · Score: 1

    See above for why I advocate for the elimination of AC posts, and the addition of an ignore option.

  21. Re:Is this is still the obnoxious 1st april prank by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At best, one good thing that could come out of this, is if a majority of people are explicitly not looking at the ads; after all, even when I don't have adblock running, I still automatically filter banner ads as noise outside of my view.

    If advertisers had the objective proof that 99% of people actively avoid looking at their crap, and thus wasted money, maybe they would stop.

    (But I don't really believe it...)

  22. Re:Anyone seen Black Mirror's Fifteen Million Meri by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Funnily enough, we may not "RESUME VIEWING" as channel 4 has taken that clip down...

  23. Re:JUDEN advertising? Here's Juden belief by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They spammed throughout this thread and spam this in any thread that they think is in any way related to their insane Jewish conspiracy. Look at at the disgusting replies as well. I think people like this should be banned. They are just using /. to spread their hate propaganda, probably because they can do so anonymously, though setting up an account using a fake email likely won't deter them much, and are not engaging in any constructive discussion.

  24. Re:JUDEN advertising? Here's Juden belief by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

    See above for why I advocate for the elimination of AC posts, and the addition of an ignore option.

    I support your suggestion. I appreciate the idea behind anonymous posting, but I think the disadvantages outweigh the benefits.

    Also some keyword and phrase filters might not hurt. I don't see many places where the words "JUDEN SLIME!!!" would be a valid part of the legitimate discussions here (yes, there may be a few corner cases, but they'd be far and few between).

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  25. Re:JUDEN advertising? Here's Juden belief by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who knew we Jews were so powerful? Bow before us, gentile scum!

    The fact that you have to post this kind of hate screed means that we Jews have won, and all you can do is whine about it. Ha ha ha!

  26. Re: JUDEN ADVERTISERS advertise this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    its an ad. run an ad blocker. quit whining like some child.

  27. Re:Silver? JUDEN advertisers want GOLD, &? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's right, we Jews have taken control of everything, which shows that you are not the "master race". Ha ha ha, suck it, loser!

  28. Why do companies insist that things like this... by tlambert · · Score: 2

    Why do companies insist that things like this... are somehow a service?

    serv.ice: noun:

        1. the action of helping someone.
        2. a system supplying a public need such as transport, communications, or utilities such as electricity and water.

  29. Re:JUDEN advertising? Here's Juden belief by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The people who make the biggest deal about it would go nuts if the spam and hate trolling were Marxist/far left related. They just want to be able to push hate and far right propaganda with no repercussions and use fear of big brother censorship to scare people into letting them continue. We wouldn't put up with this shit if they were screaming hate at and attacking people IRL, which is why most of them resort to doing it through the Internet these days.

  30. Wtf are you talking about? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did you reply to the wrong person? It's not an ad, it's hate spam, and ad blockers don't have a "block hate speech" option.

  31. Re:Why do companies insist that things like this.. by Stan92057 · · Score: 2

    Their helping the Advertisers lol. All the while trying to convince the end user they are being served ..somehow..con artist do what they do best believe their own lies lol

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  32. Re:JUDEN advertising? Here's Juden belief by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why minusmod hide it if you're so proud Jew? All you won was getting broiled in Hitler's oven! You got banished nation after nation over history and couldn't even hold onto any land of your own you thieving little ugly hook nose weaklings! Everyone hates your kind and you know it. You hate yourselves. It's why you try fix those horrible beaks of yours with rhinoplasty.

  33. Re:Silver? JUDEN advertisers want GOLD, &? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why minusmod hide it if you're so proud Jew? You got banished nation after nation over history and can't even hold any land of your own you thieving little ugly hook nose weaklings! Everyone hates your kind and you know it. You hate yourselves. It's why you try fix those horrible beaks of yours with rhinoplasty. Hitler fixed you with gas chambers and ovens set to broil hahaha.

  34. How can a user NOT see the ads? by Stan92057 · · Score: 1

    How can a user NOT see the ads? No shit the gamer will see the ad they cant help but see the ad its in the game..it will be placed in a place you cant NOT see it.I see ads all the time cant get away from them they are everywhere. the real question is is the adverting generating product sales to ad dollar spent. would love to hear from an insider who would tell the truth..unless theirs a sale or coupon i cant believe adverting works that good.

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  35. Silver? JUDEN advertisers want GOLD! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Jews believe this about others they call goyim/gentiles: Jews = biggest racists of all (for which they "jew guilt" you for no less! They're hypocrites known as thieves all thru history or were Spain (1492), France (1306), Egypt (despoiled/robbed by jews), Arabs (post 1948), England (1330 Edward longshanks), Romans under titus, Russia pogroms and Germany who got rid of them from their nations nazi german's too? No:

    1. Sanhedrin 59a: "Murdering Goyim is like killing a wild animal."

    2. Abodah Zara 26b: "Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed."

    3. Sanhedrin 59a: "A goy (Gentile) who pries into The Law (Talmud) is guilty of death."

    4. Yebhamoth 11b: "Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age."

    5. Schabouth Hag. 6d: "Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording."

    6. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Do not save Goyim in danger of death."

    7. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Show no mercy to the Goyim."

    8. Choschen Hamm 388, 15: "If it can be proven that someone has given the money of Israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of the earth."

    9. Choschen Hamm 266,1: "A Jew may keep anything he finds which belongs to the Akum (Gentile). For he who returns lost property (to Gentiles) sins against the Law by increasing the power of the transgressors of the Law. It is praiseworthy, however, to return lost property if it is done to honor the name of God, namely, if by so doing, Christians will praise the Jews and look upon them as honorable people."

    10. Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore Dia 17: "A Jew should and must make a false oath when the Goyim asks if our books contain anything against them."

    11. Baba Necia 114, 6: "The Jews are human beings, but the nations of the world are not human beings but beasts."

    12. Simeon Haddarsen, fol. 56-D: "When the Messiah comes every Jew will have 2800 slaves."

    13. Nidrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L: "Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night."

    14. Aboda Sarah 37a: "A Gentile girl who is three years old can be violated."

    15. Gad. Shas. 2:2: "A Jew may violate but not marry a non-Jewish girl."

    16. Tosefta. Aboda Zara B, 5: "If a goy kills a goy or a Jew, he is responsible; but if a Jew kills a goy, he is NOT responsible."

    17. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 388: "It is permitted to kill a Jewish denunciator everywhere. It is permitted to kill him even before he denounces."

    18. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348: "All property of other nations belongs to the Jewish nation, which, consequently, is entitled to seize upon it without any scruples."

    19. Tosefta, Abda Zara VIII, 5: "How to interpret the word 'robbery.' A goy is forbidden to steal, rob, or take women slaves, etc., from a goy or from a Jew. But a Jew is NOT forbidden to do all this to a goy."

    20. Seph. Jp., 92, 1: "God has given the Jews power over the possessions and blood of all nations."

    21. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 156: "When a Jew has a Gentile in his clutches, another Jew may go to the same Gentile, lend him money and in turn deceive him, so that the Gentile shall be ruined. For the property of a Gentile, according to our law, belongs to no one, and the first Jew that passes has full right to seize it."

    22. Schulchan Aruch, Johre Deah, 122: "A Jew is forbidden to drink from a glass of wine which a Gentile has touched, because the touch has made the wine unclean."

    23. Nedarim 23b: "He who desires that none of his vows made during the year be valid, let him stand at the beginning of the year and declare, 'Every vow which I may make in the future shall be null'. His vows are then invalid."

    Really nice people guess all nations are nazis (egypt "despoiling" robbing it, Romans under titus, russian pogroms, arab nations post 1948, england (1330) and more ki

  36. Re:JUDEN advertising? Here's Juden belief by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You post ac too and bitch he did posting jew talmudic law quotes you can't prove false that show jews rape babies, steal, murder, lie and worse? Unbelievable hypocrite or is your demand your jew laws not be shown and ac which you use yourself too should be banished because you are exposed jew as in 3. Sanhedrin 59a: "A goy (Gentile) who pries into The Law (Talmud) is guilty of death" and from what I have seen when you can't win an argument against verifiable facts like those you bring on the banhammer. Is it guilt, jew guilt that you try on everyone else and yet you're the biggest racists of all shown in your own laws?

  37. Jews do racism/hate in their talmudic law book by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Jews believe this about others they call goyim/gentiles: Jews = biggest racists of all (for which they "jew guilt" you for no less! They're hypocrites known as thieves all thru history or were Spain (1492), France (1306), Egypt (despoiled/robbed by jews), Arabs (post 1948), England (1330 Edward longshanks), Romans under titus, Russia pogroms and Germany who got rid of them from their nations nazi german's too? No:

    1. Sanhedrin 59a: "Murdering Goyim is like killing a wild animal."

    2. Abodah Zara 26b: "Even the best of the Gentiles should be killed."

    3. Sanhedrin 59a: "A goy (Gentile) who pries into The Law (Talmud) is guilty of death."

    4. Yebhamoth 11b: "Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age."

    5. Schabouth Hag. 6d: "Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording."

    6. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Do not save Goyim in danger of death."

    7. Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Show no mercy to the Goyim."

    8. Choschen Hamm 388, 15: "If it can be proven that someone has given the money of Israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of the earth."

    9. Choschen Hamm 266,1: "A Jew may keep anything he finds which belongs to the Akum (Gentile). For he who returns lost property (to Gentiles) sins against the Law by increasing the power of the transgressors of the Law. It is praiseworthy, however, to return lost property if it is done to honor the name of God, namely, if by so doing, Christians will praise the Jews and look upon them as honorable people."

    10. Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore Dia 17: "A Jew should and must make a false oath when the Goyim asks if our books contain anything against them."

    11. Baba Necia 114, 6: "The Jews are human beings, but the nations of the world are not human beings but beasts."

    12. Simeon Haddarsen, fol. 56-D: "When the Messiah comes every Jew will have 2800 slaves."

    13. Nidrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L: "Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night."

    14. Aboda Sarah 37a: "A Gentile girl who is three years old can be violated."

    15. Gad. Shas. 2:2: "A Jew may violate but not marry a non-Jewish girl."

    16. Tosefta. Aboda Zara B, 5: "If a goy kills a goy or a Jew, he is responsible; but if a Jew kills a goy, he is NOT responsible."

    17. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 388: "It is permitted to kill a Jewish denunciator everywhere. It is permitted to kill him even before he denounces."

    18. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348: "All property of other nations belongs to the Jewish nation, which, consequently, is entitled to seize upon it without any scruples."

    19. Tosefta, Abda Zara VIII, 5: "How to interpret the word 'robbery.' A goy is forbidden to steal, rob, or take women slaves, etc., from a goy or from a Jew. But a Jew is NOT forbidden to do all this to a goy."

    20. Seph. Jp., 92, 1: "God has given the Jews power over the possessions and blood of all nations."

    21. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 156: "When a Jew has a Gentile in his clutches, another Jew may go to the same Gentile, lend him money and in turn deceive him, so that the Gentile shall be ruined. For the property of a Gentile, according to our law, belongs to no one, and the first Jew that passes has full right to seize it."

    22. Schulchan Aruch, Johre Deah, 122: "A Jew is forbidden to drink from a glass of wine which a Gentile has touched, because the touch has made the wine unclean."

    23. Nedarim 23b: "He who desires that none of his vows made during the year be valid, let him stand at the beginning of the year and declare, 'Every vow which I may make in the future shall be null'. His vows are then invalid."

    Really nice people guess all nations are nazis (egypt "despoiling" robbing it, Romans under titus, russian pogroms, arab nations post 1948, england (1330) and more ki

  38. Putting the cart before the horse by sir-gold · · Score: 1

    Before HTC starts talking about using eye-tracking in VR to measure ad-views, they need to actually add eye-tracking to the Vive first (there is a 3rd party working on this, but not HTC itself)

  39. Oh well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We had a good run before fucking advertising ruined this part of technology too.

  40. Oh Joy! by braindrainbahrain · · Score: 1

    I can't wait to be caught in a giant tsunami of fizzy pepsi!

  41. Misquotes all around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These misquotes and fabrications come straight from the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan web site. Some cannot be explained simply because the quotes do not exist in the Talmud. Some references are to a book that does not exist in Talmud or any Jewish literature. Others are taken seriously out of context, or add words or thoughts that are not in the original.

    1. Sanhedrin 59a says nothing about murdering the heathen, nor does it relate the death of a gentile to the death of a wild animal. It says "R. Johanan said: A heathen who studies the Torah deserves death, for it is written, Moses command us a law for an inheritance; it is our inheritance, not theirs." The tractate goes on to refute this statement by discussing the laws about eating blood. Even in this statement, if accepted, there is no mention of murdering the heathen. "Worthy of death" implies a judicial sentence, not murder.

    2. Abodah Zara 26b is taken seriously out of context. What the original says is "but minim [idolatrous priests, whether Jewish or gentile], informers, and apostates [specifically Jewish] may be cast in [a pit], and need not be brought up." This says nothing about killing, and much less about killing gentiles. If it says anything about killing, Jews are included. The discussion, however, is whether a gentile may circumcise a Jew. The argument about who may be thrown into a put, pulled out but not thrown in, etc., concludes by saying that the pit should be covered so that nobody goes in.

    3. Sanhedrin 59a does say, recording a conversation between two teachers, that one of them zealously said that a heathen who looks into the Law (the Torah, not the Talmud) should be guilty of death. It goes on to say, however, that the other teacher destroyed his argument, showing instead that a heathen who pries into the Law becomes as a High Priest. So this quote is taken out of context, just like some political candidates take their opponentâ(TM)s comments out of context for their own ads.

    4. Libbre David 37 is a pure fabrication. There is no such tractate in Talmud, nor any such book or portion of a book in all of Jewish literature.

    5. Yebhamoth 11b says nothing about intercourse with a little girl. Actually, the reference should be Kethuboth 11b, concerning betrothals. "When a grown-up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing, for when the girl is less than this, it is as if one puts the finger into the eye." A footnote to that passage says that if a man were to have intercourse with a three year old she should not suffer the consequences of loss of virginity when she become eligible for marriage. The comment is actually a defense of victimâ(TM)s rights. The man who did such thing would be punished, but the victim shouldnâ(TM)t be.

    6. Sanhedrin 105a talks about Balaam (of talking donkey fame), and does claim that he fornicated with his ass (presumably a Jenny Ass, not a jackass). "Balaam was blind in one eye, as it is said, [and the man] whose eye is open . . .45 He practised enchantment by means of his membrum. For here it is written, falling, but having his eyes open; whilst elsewhere is written, And Haman was fallen on the bed whereon Esther was. It was stated, Mar Zutra said: He practised enchantment by means of his membrum. Mar the son of Rabina said: He committed bestiality with his ass. The view that he practised enchantment by means of his membrum is as was stated. The view that he committed bestiality with his ass is because here it is written, He bowed, he lay down as a lion and as a great lion." It says absolutely nothing about Jesus. In fact, nothing is said about Jesus in the entire Talmud, much of which was written before Jesus was born or during his lifetime.

    7. Gittin 57a tells of Balaam and some Jewish heretics suffering such fates. "He then went and raised Balaam by incantations. He asked him: Who is in repute in the other world? He replied: Israel. What then, he said, about joining them? He replied: Thou shalt not seek their peace nor their prosperity a

    1. Re:Misquotes all around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You admit it's ok to kill gentiles/goy (non-jews) or steal from them or rape little girls and omit touching 13 other points. Your agenda's clear. Subterfuge wording you say doesn't exist. You prove it does.

    2. Re:Misquotes all around by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If jews are good why did Spain (1492), France (1306), Egypt (despoiled/robbed by jews), Arabs (post 1948), England (1330 Edward longshanks), Romans under titus, Russia pogroms and Germany kick them out? You won't touch that will you? It can't be arbitrarily misinterpreted by subterfuge wording you use that you say doesn't exist from Jews. You again prove it does by glaring omission. Guilt by omission.

  42. Re:JUDEN advertising? Here's Juden belief by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See above for why I advocate for the elimination of AC posts, and the addition of an ignore option.

    Yes sadly I think the time has come. There should be a requirement to register an account to be able to post, but then an option to hide your id should be available, so you can state your mind without drawing too much hate-back from nutters, while if you become a nutter yourself then the Slashdot management should be able to take action and use their discretion about allowing you to post again or create new accounts in the future.

  43. Re:Anyone seen Black Mirror's Fifteen Million Meri by Rick+Zeman · · Score: 1

    Yep. I actually seached cuz I figured someone would have posted it before me.

    And don't close your eyes!

  44. Re: Anyone seen Black Mirror's Fifteen Million Mer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At that point what is it if not a form of torture? At the very least, it's not gauging the audience's response if you force them to watch the advertisements.

    As to tfa, all I can say is: "Welp, that took longer than expected." Yes, I fully believed that was going to happen in some form or another at some point. VR gives absolute control over the user's environment. Did you honestly think that there wouldn't be people who would seek to abuse that power? If you did, then I'm going to feel real bad for you when they get full dive tech working....

  45. I don't even use my HTC Vive anymore... by MindPrison · · Score: 1

    ...so good luck with that.

    One of the reasons I opted for the HTC Vive back then, was the promise of Oculus users being tracked by facebook at any time, whatever you watched and did.

    Sounds like you wish VR an early death. We don't even have proper AAA titles for it yet, just tons of weird "Look ma! I can create an Unity VR game in less than a day!" games.

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    What this world is coming to - is for you and me to decide.
  46. Billboards in game worlds by SirAdelaide · · Score: 1

    If I'm playing a car racing game, I won't think it out of place to see billboards on the side of the road. If they advertise Coke/Pepsi, and the developer makes some money, that's fine.

    So long as the ads are no more intrusive than the real world, and actually add to the game world, I'd be ok with this.

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    I'm a fruit pirate. I bought a watermelon once, and spat the seeds in the back yard. They grew into another watermelon,
  47. Re:Anyone seen Black Mirror's Fifteen Million Meri by pvphong90 · · Score: 1