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Senate Confirms Neil Gorsuch To Supreme Court (washingtonpost.com)

halfEvilTech quotes a report from Washington Post: The U.S. Senate confirmed Neil M. Gorsuch to serve on the U.S. Supreme Court on Friday. On a vote of 54 to 45, senators confirmed Gorsuch, 49, a Denver-based judge on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 10th Circuit. He will become the 113th person to serve on the Supreme Court and is scheduled to be sworn in Monday. Gorsuch's confirmation was the result of a rule change in the Senate. Majority Leader Mitch McConnell used the power of his position to change the rules of the Senate to lower the threshold on Supreme Court nominations to end debate from 60 to 51 votes. Therefore, "all presidential nominees for executive branch positions and the federal courts need only a simple majority vote to be confirmed by senators," reports Washington Post.

It is unclear as to what exactly Gorsuch's confirmation means for the tech industry. However, it is certain that Gorsuch will "face cases that demand a solid command of the complex issues digital technology raises, from copyright and privacy to intellectual property rights and data storage," writes Issie Lapowsky via Wired.

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  1. God Dammit by rsilvergun · · Score: 2, Insightful

    so much. Whatever else you think about Gorsuch's politics (and unless you own a large corporation they're awful) it's a fact the Republicans just stole that seat. It really angers me to see them doing so much wrong and getting away with it again and again...

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    1. Re:God Dammit by Fwipp · · Score: 1, Insightful

      31% of Americans are white men. The rest are definitely affected by "social justice."

    2. Re:God Dammit by Triklyn · · Score: 3, Insightful

      stole from whom? up or down vote, garland would have lost, i can almost guarantee it. biden suggested, before he left the senate that the appropriate course of action for supreme court nominees after the election season commenced was to wait until after the election to confirm. democratic obstruction of bush nominees initially started the fillibustering of judicial nominees in the circuit courts, which the republicans turned around and used on the democrats during obama's term. after which the democrats got fed up with the obstruction and killed the fillibuster for lower court confirmations. yet during that period kagan and sotomayor were confirmed without a hitch.

      was it legal to neglect to hear garland? yes. was it right, as right as any of the political maneuvering in washington.

      mcconnell gambled, and everybody thought he was a fool because if hillary won, it would have been someone politically left of garland for that seat. but he won his bet.

      constitutionally, it was well within mcconnell's powers to refuse to hear garland. it's been done before, about 150 years ago.

      it was the democrats that killed the fillibuster. don't forget that, the only reason it didn't cover supreme court nominations was because none of the supreme court nominations were fillibustered.

    3. Re:God Dammit by fustakrakich · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Republicans just stole that seat.

      No they didn't. The voters gave it to them.

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    4. Re:God Dammit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Oh wake up. It's nobody's "party" who lost. It's the American people.

      An R or a D next to your name means nothing when the only difference between the two is specifically which corporation lobbying for the same particular deregulation bought you out.

      All this "party" crap is little more than an artificial wedge issue created to keep all of you at eachother's throats to notice it's someone else strangling you both.

    5. Re:God Dammit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      so much. Whatever else you think about Gorsuch's politics (and unless you own a large corporation they're awful) it's a fact the Republicans just stole that seat. It really angers me to see them doing so much wrong and getting away with it again and again...

      It's a little more complicated than that.

      The rule change extends the 51-vote (instead of 60) requirement to Supreme Court nominees. It was previously downed to 51 for all other judicial nominees during the Obama administration, when it was the Republicans being obstructionist in minority rather than (as now) the Democrats.

      Also a president nominated someone to the Supreme Court, in accordance with Constitutional process. The Senate changed its rules, but they—whatever you or I may think of the rules they make for themselves—is as a body absolutely in control of what rules apply to their internal processes and deliberations and can change them at any time. The rule change (as far as I know) followed the rule-changing process. Yes, the rules say they can change the rules. Following the rules is pretty much the antithesis of stealing.

    6. Re:God Dammit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Speaking as a white man, fuck you. I didn't wrong anyone.

    7. Re:God Dammit by x0ra · · Score: 5, Insightful

      SJW believe that your mere existence is wrong'ing everyone else, no matter of what you actually did.

    8. Re:God Dammit by dbrueck · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm not a Republican, but the whole "stolen seat" thing is kind of overstating it because it implies that Garland would have become a justice for the SCOTUS, which is unlikely. It was stupid for the GOP to refuse a vote for Garland (stupid on multiple levels but even just strategically - they could have blocked Garland just via voting, there was no need to take it a step further and refuse a vote altogether and cause so much rancor), but regardless Garland was most likely not going to be on the SC, so the seat was not stolen. Legally it doesn't appear that they did anything technically wrong, but I think it's fair to say that having a vote would have been the right thing to do (notwithstanding some cases in the past where people such as Biden suggested a different course of action).

      But let's be clear: both sides have, are, and continue to behave like children. Is what the GOP did stupid? You bet! Is the Dem handling of Gorsuch stupid? Most definitely. It's worth noting that the GOP senators in the past voted to seat justices that were quite liberal, but in the end relented because the candidate was qualified and there was not a good reason not to. With Gorsuch there's no real debate that he is very qualified, and yet few Dems voted for him - they voted against purely as retaliation.

      And so the Dems did something stupid in retaliation for something stupid the Reps did. And the Reps did that stupid thing because of what Dems did to them before that. And the Dems did that thing because of what the Reps did even earlier. It's been going on for so long that we're at the point where neither side can claim any sort of moral high ground - it's pure, deep-rooted, partisan politics, and anyone who tries to argue that one of those two sides is better-behaving than the other is turning a blind eye to past events.

      To everyone who is frustrated by this, you have to realize that Dem and Rep are two sides of the same coin. Both are almost comically hypocritical and neither consistently acts in the best interest of the USA. They have reached the point where so much of their identity is defined by not being the other side that I don't think there is any way for either party to fix themselves.

      I watched a lot of the Gorsuch hearings and I came away with two main conclusions: (1) Gorsuch would make a great justice - I don't agree with him on various points, but he's sane and sincere and intelligent and it's not hard to imagine him being a fair judge. (2) The senators from both major parties are complete morons. So much pettiness and shallow posturing. So much snide smirking and pretentiousness. It was embarrassing for both parties.

      It's time we moved the conversation away from "Reps are bad" vs "Dems are bad" because that will get us nowhere. Both are terrible and possibly beyond repair. But as long as we allow ourselves to believe that one side is acting in good faith while the other side is not, we will make zero progress. Both are incredibly corrupt. Both major parties have a list of "sins" so long that neither should be allowed in power.

    9. Re:God Dammit by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "But in a speech on the Senate floor in June 1992, Mr. Biden, then the chairman of the Judiciary Committee, said there should be a different standard for a Supreme Court vacancy “that would occur in the full throes of an election year.” The president should follow the example of “a majority of his predecessors” and delay naming a replacement, Mr. Biden said. If he goes forward before then, the Senate should wait to consider the nomination."

      Yeah, yeah. What he *meant* was that if a Democrat was coming into office the next year, they should delay. If a Republican were coming in to office, they need to do it right away.

      Same way Obama can bomb the shit out of the Middle East for years and it's no big deal. But Trump does the same thing and he's "starting another war in the Middle East!!!"

    10. Re:God Dammit by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So, Goofy Uncle Joe is fine with the Supreme Court being filled with left-wingers and moderates, but we have a problem if anybody right of Karl Marx is nominated? Got it.

    11. Re:God Dammit by CheapEngineer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's not helped by the Democrat's insistence to play by the rules and try to reach an agreement with the Republicans, and the Republicans insistence to pull the football away, set fire to the house and p*ss on the doorstep, cackling all they way, in the name of Party.

      F*ck every goddamn one of them. Under no circumstances will I ever vote for a Republican ever again. Anyone with an (R) next to their name shares in the stink, and will be avoided. Since that's apparently the only way to get anything done these days...

    12. Re:God Dammit by Altus · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Thats not what he said, what he said is that the people who don't share your demographics are getting fucked over... not that you are personally doing it, but if you ignore that others are getting fucked over you are complicit in that... even if republicans have trouble understanding what that word means.

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    13. Re:God Dammit by DaHat · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Lemme guess... history for you starts in... 2013? With the 'unprecedented' Republican obstruction against Obama's nominees... which forced the hand of Senator Reid to do the not yet triggered Nuclear Option... leaving out SCOTUS nominees because there was not a vacancy.

      Some of us remember the Bush era where the nuclear option was first threatened for SCOTUS nominees due to actually unprecedented Democrat obstruction against many court nominees.

      Then again, some of us also remember the attempted hi-tech-lynching of Thomas by Democrats under Reagan.

      Don't like what happened yesterday? Fine, to quote Obama, "elections have consequences". It's such a shame that the Democrats created the precedent (and even moving of the Overton window) to make it more likely. One can only imagine how Trump will use "I have a pen and a phone"... and I didn't even vote for the guy.

    14. Re:God Dammit by WrongMonkey · · Score: 1, Insightful

      That's an easy thing to say if you're a straight, white male and don't have an personal stake is so-called "wedge issues".

    15. Re:God Dammit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      We're all getting fucked over. And what is frequently blamed on racism is usually classism. And please don't act like people aren't openly hostile to white men. I constantly hear people blaming "rich white men" for everything. In movies, white men are constantly depicted as the milquetoast suburbanites who are bullied by their wives and are sexually unappealing. Wait, I know what I'll do, I'll check my privilege because my middle class self is swimming a Olympic sized pool of money along with my fellow white male conspirators...perhaps we can fellate each other later.

    16. Re:God Dammit by DaHat · · Score: 2, Insightful

      they were able to blame the people at the top and avoid taking any responsibility for their failure to do their constitutionally mandated duty.

      Except they are not constitutionally required to hold a vote, or a hearing, or even a meeting with a nominee. Their 'consent' is required... and they simply withheld it.

      Every single Republican in Congress who did not have the courage to demand a vote last year is a pathetic coward, and deserves no respect whatsoever.

      Even those in the House of Representatives, which plays no part in the confirmation of a SCOTUS justice?

      Interesting guilt by association you've got there... almost as bad as the "you didn't say _____, so you are bad!"

    17. Re:God Dammit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      As a liberal, and a democrat, you kind of sound like a batshit crazy rabid left winger normally educated by under-thinking self loathing white guy. Give it a rest. You don't have to hand over the middle-class's 401ks for reparations to believe and fight for racial equality and harmony. You're a fucking psycho.

    18. Re: God Dammit by PoopJuggler · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Or you just perceive SJWs that way.

    19. Re:God Dammit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      We're all getting fucked over. And what is frequently blamed on racism is usually classism. And please don't act like people aren't openly hostile to white men. I constantly hear people blaming "rich white men" for everything. In movies, white men are constantly depicted as the milquetoast suburbanites who are bullied by their wives and are sexually unappealing. Wait, I know what I'll do, I'll check my privilege because my middle class self is swimming a Olympic sized pool of money along with my fellow white male conspirators...perhaps we can fellate each other later.

      Racism is never classism. Plenty of white people have it hard. But the fact is that if they were black, they would have it even harder. Imagine that you are having the worst day of the worst week of your life. Now imagine that on top of all the other BS you have to deal with, random people treat you like a thug or a criminal as soon as they see you. Or just based on your name before they see you at all. Black people have all the problems of poor whites, and all the problems of all blacks.

      Poor whites struggle against classism and that is BS which should be shut down. Poor blacks struggle against classism and rasicm and that is double BS that should be shut down. But even if black people make it rich (or are born rich), they will still have to deal with the racism BS, like being harassed by every cop who thinks black people only drive nice cars if they have stolen them.

      Think it is hard being depicted as a "milquetoast suburbanites who are bullied by their wives and are sexually unappealing"? First world problems. Try getting through your day with random people reacting to you like you were a dangerous animal.

      Privilege is a relative thing.

    20. Re:God Dammit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The idea of privilege is also a pile of marxist propaganda that has no place in modern politics. According to them, racism is indeed a form of classism, as is sex and various other cross sections they've agitated over the last 40 years. The point is to divide people by these attributes and get them squabbling with each other instead of resisting abuse from the top.

    21. Re:God Dammit by macsimcon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Don't be a brick. You ought to know that McConnell said at the outset that his most important goal wasn't making the lives of Americans better, it was to ensure that President Obama would be a one-term president. Hence, the obstruction. Hence, not giving President Obama the stimulus he needed to get the U.S. back on its feet economically, resulting in a sluggish crawl of a recovery that we are still living in. Do you think McConnell did that for the people? No, he did it so the people could be preyed upon by the 1%, so their homes could be foreclosed upon, so their student loans couldn't be discharged in bankruptcy, so they couldn't recover and would be so worried about survival that McConnell and his kleptocrats could hijack the government for the benefit of their donors, not the people.

      The Republican morons are the ones who deny climate change. The idiotic red states cling to their bigotry and fictional religion so they are easily manipulated single-issue voters. The Democrats would like to keep this planet inhabitable, they want all Americans to have healthcare provided by the government and funded through taxes, and they want good education for everyone.

      Frankly, it's uninformed people like you who have made this takeover by Republican thugs possible. You really ought to do something about your ignorance.

  2. Re:Rule Change when it's in his best interest? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The rule making this possible was introduced by the Democratic Party in 2013, also used first by them. Blaming the GOP for now taking advantage of this is kind of hypocritical.

  3. It was a hell of a gamble... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    on McConnell's part, regardless of how you feel about the outcome. Passing a left-leaning centrist with polling showing a Democrat in the White House and the Senate a toss-up, and the chance of a far more partisan left-leaning judge. I guess stopping everything that black guy tried to do was the primary objective.

    1. Re:It was a hell of a gamble... by phantomfive · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think McConnell's thinking was, "If we lose the election, we'll just confirm the other guy before we leave."

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    2. Re:It was a hell of a gamble... by maz2331 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually, there was little risk in his gamble, with all up-side. If Clinton had won, they would have just immediately confirmed Garland, so the court would shift marginally to the left. By waiting, they kept the same mix as before Scalia's death.

    3. Re:It was a hell of a gamble... by ooloorie · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It wasn't a gamble at all, it was both reasonable and politically smart. Even many people who hated Trump's guts voted for him because they couldn't stand the idea of Hillary Clinton appointing more supreme court justices. I think that's what finally pushed Trump over the finish line.

      And given the kind of people Obama had appointed before (Sotomayor, Kagan), Congress was not going to give him another chance. If SCOTUS had tilted any further to the left, Congress would like have taken drastic action, like simply creating three more seats, to be filled by conservatives. Obama and his appointees simply do not represent the American people.

    4. Re:It was a hell of a gamble... by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There is no such thing as a 'popular vote.' The votes in every state in our Federal Republic all count only within the self-contained boundaries of each state.

      The only thing a 'popular vote' represents is journalists running around gathering up numbers from all the states. Numbers which have no meaning outside of state boundaries.

      Deal with it.

    5. Re:It was a hell of a gamble... by ooloorie · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why are you angry at me? I'm just telling you what happened. I didn't vote for either of them.

      But your reaction shows why Democrats keep losing politically: instead of facing reality, their supporters just become rude and throw temper tantrums.

  4. Re:Rule Change when it's in his best interest? by s.petry · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Because the Republicans were keeping a nominee from being confirmed just like how they stole the seat from Garland.

    Circuit Court Judges. Yet the Republicans passed the majority of nominees without any problem. You should at least consider the possibility that the few (it was more than one) being held up were of particular concern. Instead of changing nominees, as Schumer demanded the Republicans do, they changed the rules and packed courts with additional judges. (The DC Circuit gained 3 more judges)

    The Democrats are the last people allowed to bitch about it when they introduced bypassing cloture when it suited their needs. Reap what you sew sound familiar? If it suits their interests they can introduce a rule change to require cloture on both all Judges again. I certainly hope that the Senate moves back in that direction, but have no hopes that the Democrats want such a thing.

    Schumer also forgot about demanding President Bush not dare introduce a Supreme Court nominee in his last 18 months in office. Then got upset after President Obama did exactly that and could not get a hearing on his candidate. You know what they say, "Karma is a b**ch!".

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  5. Re:So...time for Ginsburg to step down, right? by BitterOak · · Score: 4, Insightful

    >> Gorsuch will "face cases that demand a solid command of the complex issues digital technology raises..." If you think a 49-year old justice will be bad at tech, you should look up the ages of the rest. There's even one on there named "Ginsburg" who was 35 when Gorsuch was born - probably time for her to finally head out to pasture, right?

    Whatever you may think of Ruth Bader Ginsburg's politics or decisions, she is an intellectual giant, much smarter and sharper than the vast majority of people half her age. There's a good reason she and Scalia were such good friends. Despite almost polar opposite politics, there were few others in the world that were their intellectual equal. And they were both wise enough to understand that associating yourself only with those whose political beliefs are aligned with yours is really self-limiting, and ultimately rather boring.

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  6. Re:Rule Change when it's in his best interest? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Perhaps those numbers have more to do with the types of judges nominated than the actual parties doing the blocking. Democrats tend to want to pack courts with activists while Republicans trend more towards actual judges. There's much more reason to object to ideological activists being appointed to life time positions on courts than to object to those that actually try to follow the law and not their feelings when ruling.

  7. Re:Golly. Gee. Gosh. by Imrik · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Pro death penalty I can see, the other two not so much. He has complained about liberals trying to legislate in the court room when they can't get laws passed, including on gay rights issues. He has also commented that abortion rights are dependent on the court's finding that a fetus does not qualify as a person, which even the most liberal judge should agree with.

  8. Re:Rule Change when it's in his best interest? by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yet the Republicans passed the majority of nominees without any problem. You should at least consider the possibility that the few (it was more than one) being held up were of particular concern. Instead of changing nominees, as Schumer demanded the Republicans do, they changed the rules and packed courts with additional judges.

    According to the Congressional Research Service, there were 68 presidential nominees for various positions filibustered between 1949 (basically when the Senate began allowing filibusters on nominations) and 2008. The Republicans had filibustered 79 of President Obama's nominees between 2008 and 2013 when Reid used the nuclear option.

    In other words, in a little over 4 years, the Republicans filibustered more presidential nominees than had been filibustered in the preceding 60 years. That doesn't sound like selecting just a few people "of particular concern" to me.

    By the way, I strongly disapproved of the nuclear option back then, as I still do now. There are Rules of the Senate, and this is using a ridiculous parliamentary loophole with no Constitutional foundation to override previous Rules of the Senate (which normally require a 2/3 majority to amend).

    Frankly, I'd first prefer to see the federal judiciary self-destruct to the point that it actively went to war against Congress itself because of staffing issues... as with the Civil Rights Act (which eventually passed after 60+ days of filibustering) eventually someone will give. Eventually there would be some compromise. No longer. Now it's party line forevermore. Just wait -- in a few decades that Senate will be voting to take away Constitutional rights by party vote.

  9. something to think about by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 4, Insightful
    while God fearing, patriotic Republicans have wrested the illegal and immoral blocking of this appointment of a true patriot, a fineman who will set America back on the right track........

    The nuclear option will come back to haunt them.

    You would think that the party of the filibuster as a basic tactic would have figured this out, because as that "commie bitch" on the Supreme court noted, the situation is a pendulum, and if you do a little math and dating, the Democrats are poised for ramming some supreme court nominees who are not going to be appreciated by the Republicans.

    That's so obvious that it qualifies not as the law of nintended consequences, but more like plain old unfixable stupid.

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