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Salt Makes You Hungry, Not Thirsty, Study Says (sciencedaily.com)
wisebabo writes: Salty diet makes you hungry, not thirsty. Science Daily reports: "In a study carried out during a simulated mission to Mars, an international group of scientists has found exactly the opposite to be true. 'Cosmonauts' who ate more salt retained more water, weren't as thirsty, and needed more energy." So if you don't want to gain weight on your trip to Mars, don't eat salty chips. If you don't want to gain weight at home, maybe you should stay away from them as well. From the report: "The studies were carried out by Natalia Rakova (MD, PhD) of the Charite and MDC and her colleagues. The subjects were two groups of 10 male volunteers sealed into a mock spaceship for two simulated flights to Mars. The first group was examined for 105 days; the second over 205 days. They had identical diets except that over periods lasting several weeks, they were given three different levels of salt in their food. The results confirmed that eating more salt led to a higher salt content in urine -- no surprise there. Nor was there any surprise in a correlation between amounts of salt and overall quantity of urine. But the increase wasn't due to more drinking -- in fact, a salty diet caused the subjects to drink less. Salt was triggering a mechanism to conserve water in the kidneys."
>> Salt Makes You Hungry, Not Thirsty, Study Says
Which is why bars serve free peanuts, pretzels and chips - obviously they make their real money from food.
about what makes you "water fat". Would have been quicker.
Maybe the food with more salt tasted better, which made people want to eat more of it? Or the fact they drank less was because the more full because the ate more food?
There is going to be a lot of salty people over this.
I used to take extra salt when working outdoors in the summer, a tip I picked up from the first aid kit which had salt pills for heat exhaustion. I also recall once seeing a documentary about the Bedouin where they slung big bags of rock salt on the camels when crossing the deep desert. So I'm not sure why this study was done, it seems already known that extra salt helps retain water.
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I ran out of salt a month ago. I guess I can scratch that off my shopping list.
Fucking psychiatrist...
So what? Has anyone studied whether they what those bars are doing actually works?
I can't help but dismiss your comment as "even if the prevailing view must be correct, regardless if it is wrong."
Sweat is salt water. When you sweat, your body is losing water and salt. Therefore you need to consume more water and salt to replace what was lost. That's why you take water and salt when you're hot and sweating.
Separately, retaining salt also requires retaining water to balance out the salt, but retaining water isn't really something you aim for, unless you're a camel.
I think there is a distinction between long term, over the course of weeks and months, vs short-term, in bar when you're currently eating salty food at the moment.
Eating more salt over the course of a month or two may certainly be associated with eating more that month. Maybe because french fries and chips taste better than unsalted potatoes.
In the very short term, at a bar, eating salty snacks definitely makes you thirsty at the moment - the body wants to balance the intake of salt and water - basically to the wash the salty taste out of your mouth, when it's very salty.
Salt makes me thirsty, but not right away. I usually don't like to drink water, and I have to make myself drink it. But after I eat something loaded with salt, I drink maybe 3 cups of water over the next 2 or 3 hours.
Now, take this knowledge and go check the sodium level on your favorite fast food place. Put two and two together.
Fast food is slow poison, folks!
So what? Has anyone studied whether they what those bars are doing actually works?
Every weekend.
Salt makes you thirsty. Especially when you get it from work.
In all my life, whenever someone said "eating salty food makes me thirsty", I don't think one of them ever meant "eating salty food makes me consume more water over a multi-month period." I'm pretty sure what they meant was "When I eat salty food, I want something to drink right goddamn now!" One thing I know for sure: every time I've expressed that sentiment, I was referring to the current moment.
dictionary.com says "thirsty [thur-stee] adjective, 1. feeling or having thirst; craving liquid." See? FEELING thirsty. CRAVING liquid. A feeling you're having RIGHT NOW. No mention of how much water you actually drank over the course of the next 105 days.
I'd love to see more details of the study. Maybe the ones who had salty food had more water with their meals but then the science kicked in and they had less water over the course of the day? It's entirely possible.
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Salt does NOT make you fat.
Sure, the salty chips might make you hungry, but the 400 calories in the small bag of Lays that you just ate had absolutely NOTHING to do with making you fat. Nothing at all. It must be the stuff you eat afterwards after the salt that comes with those 400 calories makes you hungry.
See, this is the logic of modern science. Fallacy everywhere.
The connection between any papers energy/food related and losing weight seems to be an all too common jump. In this study they only studied the correlation between salt intake and water intake. They noticed that the subjects ate more because urea required energy to process, and salt comes from urea. Nowhere did the study test or conclude a relationship between salt intake and weight loss.
In general, unprocessed foods are low in salt (sodium) and high in potassium. This is the opposite in 'highly' processed foods (i.e. fast food, junk food, etc.).
Based on many studies I've read in the past (citation needed), there is a relationship between over-eating and consuming 'highly' processed foods. It appears this study confirms this from the POV of one dimension (salt).
Scientists have also studied the relationship between sodium and potassium in the human body. They believe that the body needs approximately 2 times as much potassium to sodium to remain 'balanced', but its only a theory (and there is no consensus on the ratio). I would be interested in the effects of this experiment if potassium intake was increased to match the sodium at a 2:1 ratio. (NOTE: the potassium would have to come from a natural source. Potassium in pill form is not easily absorbed and can also be dangerous).
It is also why mars bars have more salt.
Which is why bars serve free peanuts, pretzels and chips - obviously they make their real money from food.
Beer has a lot of calories.
It is liquid bread.
Then you are losing water. You will need to replenish said water. If your body needs water, you will become thirsty. I call bullshit.
>> Salt Makes You Hungry, Not Thirsty, Study Says Which is why bars serve free peanuts, pretzels and chips - obviously they make their real money from food.
In addition, a lot of foods suck without salt. Trying salt free soup is enough to make you decide not to eat at all.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
Which is why bars serve free peanuts, pretzels and chips - obviously they make their real money from food.
Beer has a lot of calories. It is liquid bread.
Certainly ancient beers were. Many were alcoholic gruel. You could fairly live on it. Probably worked as a medicine as well https://blogs.scientificameric...
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
I'm glad someone posts this offtopic shit, because I wouldn't have otherwise known about it.
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Meanwhile, the fucking lie is this http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/18/...
So, please elucidate how CNN has "swept this under the rug.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
- Shoots and kills while screaming a regular democrat talking point: "I hate whites". - Swept under the rug by DNC-affiliated fake news sources (ex. CNN).
Oh, seriously fuck you. You're about as big a lar as ever crawled out of a pigs asshole. In case anyone is wondering how CN swept the story under the rug, here is the story:
http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/18/...
Tell me you liar, what is it like to have your stupid politically motivated lies exposed for the world to see?
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
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Haven't food companies been studying this and known it for decades? It's how they reach the "bliss point" - how much salt and sugar can they cram in a meal to ensure that you want to eat as much as possible. It's why you can eat 1000 worth of Hamburger Helper and still feel hungry.
Salt does make you thirsty, because your body is a big control system that tries to maintain stasis. When salt is input, salinity increases, and the body compensates by making you want to take on more water.
This is one reason why obese people who go on healthy diets all of a sudden lose 10% of their body mass in a week. They stop eating massive amounts of salt and the excess water that was required to maintain stasis is rapidly expelled.
This is all settled science and I have no idea why these people are claiming otherwise.
While people think potato and other "salty snacks" are high in salt, compared to many food, the sodium content is not high. Because the salt in all on exposed surfaces, the taste of salt is very strong. An ounce of Lays potato chips has 170 mg. of sodium. (Yes, I know most people eat more like 3 oz. at a sitting, so call it 510 mg.) Half of a personal sized pepperoni pizza (Round Table) has 860 mg. (and most people eat the whole thing for 1920 mg.). A Panera Chicken Frontega panini is a stunning 2050 mg. My favorite Chipotle barbacoa burrito is a whopping 2190 mg. And "whopping" makes me think of a "Whopper" which is only 1160 (with cheese).
So if you are looking for high salt foods, chips are not that bad, though I don't really recommend them for a healthy diet. It's other processed foods that really pack it in.
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I do know that people with renal insufficiency and people on dialysis are told to avoid "salt" (namely, table salt) specifically because your body tries to maintain a specific ratio of sodium to other fluids, and if you consume more sodium then you'll get thirsty, and getting thirsty is bad because your renal system is unable to clear fluids efficiently. And when fluids build up in your body, you get edema, hypertension, etc, therefore you need to drink less water than a healthy person.
For three thousand years, everyone "knew" that the only places to play go pieces in the early game was on columns 3 and 4.
Then A.I. played on column 5 in the shoulder position on move 37 and it payed off enormously with control of the middle of the board later in the game... which it won.
Salty snacks has seemed to make sense for a long time. But .. then a study comes along and what you always "knew to be true" may be shown to not be true.
She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
These pretzels are making me hungry.
... and their diversity? Wonder if they weren't just feeling salty hangin' out with just guys.
You gobbling down my salty semen is more on topic than your rant.
I think like many things, it's what you're used to. I gave up putting sugar in my coffee (to put off going to the dentist because of the toothache), got used to it in a couple of weeks and have preferred it without ever since. I bet you could gradually wean yourself off added salt in 2 months.
For three thousand years, everyone "knew" that the only places to play go pieces in the early game was on columns 3 and 4.
Then A.I. played on column 5 in the shoulder position on move 37 and it payed off enormously with control of the middle of the board later in the game... which it won.
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No indication that he's a Democrat either. Gun nuts are usually Republicans, anyway.
You spelled psychopath wrong.
If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker would destroy civilization.
It's more about the body confusing thirst with hunger when the thirst is mild an you are resting. It's common that people get dehydrated easily when they are stationary and have to remember to drink.
So next time you feel hungry - drink a large glass of water.
If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker would destroy civilization.
Or people commonly confuse hungry and thirsty
My best counter example is once while hiking in the Pyrenees I stopped in a village with a friend and got a serrano (dry-cured) ham sandwich and then proceeded to drink all of my water rations over the next two hours as I was desperate to get as much water in me as possible due to my thirst.
Trying salt free soup is enough to make you decide not to eat at all.
How on earth are you making soup? I'd have thought that soup was the one thing that it was basically impossible to cook badly, but apparently you've managed it.
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It can be explained that salt excretion is also impaired with renal failure which means that more salt stays in the body and to maintain sodium levels in range, the body needs to get more water. Whereas a person with normal renal function quickly eliminates all extra salt in urine making it more concentrated without a need to drink more. At least, this is what this article proposes.
Interestingly enough, ketogenic diets which have been shown to be effective for weight loss, all recommend increasing salt intake, often recommending a serving of broth to increase sodium consumption.
Based on what I've read about it all, hunger is most closely associated with leptin. If these people were fed a salty, low-fat diet it's possible that salt induced more eating by increasing the palatability of food and the lack of fat in the diet increased hunger by suppressing leptin levels and they turned to higher-sodium foods both for their taste advantage and for the role of sodium of metabolizing stored fat.
obviously they make their real money from food
No it's because a sensible drinker wants to nibble on something while enjoying their beer. In any case if they wanted to sell food their best bet would be to not sell beer given the massive amount of calories and carbs, especially in ales.
Hell if you want to lose weight, stick with eating salty snacks and stop drinking beer.
These pretzels are making me thirsty.
Can I then get gluten free beer?
It can be done. For example, my mother used to wash potatoes with dish soap and then not rinse them off well on top of it. Then she'd cook them in things such as soups or with meat. You'd get bubbles and not feel too good.
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I think like many things, it's what you're used to. I gave up putting sugar in my coffee (to put off going to the dentist because of the toothache), got used to it in a couple of weeks and have preferred it without ever since. I bet you could gradually wean yourself off added salt in 2 months.
A whole lot depends on one's activity level. I'd be a real mess if I didn't get some "extra" salt. Its very easy to sweat off 10 pounds in a game of Ice Hockey. The body knows when it needs salt. I got into the habit of grabbing a bag of potato chips before getting a drink of water. That first chip hits the tongue, and it's electrifying. If I have a drink of water first, I'll get queasy. Never threw up, but came close.
Salt becomes public enemy number one every so often - and some people do get in the habit of using too much. But we sometimes engage in silliness.
My father had a story about how where he worked, a new company doctor came on board, and was aghast that they offered "salt pills" So they went away.
Problem was, this was a copper and brass foundry, and on the hot end, the men started getting sick. Their electrolytes were all messed up, and got worse every time they got a drink of water. Not only were they not getting the salt pills, they were eating less salt overall because "salt is bad for you".
The salt pills and dispensers came back. You see, they weren't just sodium. They were potassium chloride as well, and played a vital role in keeping people who sweat a lot healthy.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
gluten free beer
Trying salt free soup is enough to make you decide not to eat at all.
How on earth are you making soup? I'd have thought that soup was the one thing that it was basically impossible to cook badly, but apparently you've managed it.
I've never made salt-free soup. I got a lot of cooking knowledge from my mother, and my father in law. Both of whom were excellent cooks. Added salt in a recipe, is based upon what is in the ingredients. Making a soup with Ham is a no brainer that no extra salt is needed. Celery also has a fair bit of Sodium in it. Another trick is to glaze the surface of beef before putting it in. the stock. Draws the salt out from near the surface - as well as sugars, caramelizes that, and helps greatly for the taste. Don't forget to deglaze that pan you did the beef in and add that to the soup.
As well, if you are doing any soups that include pasta products, I hope you aren't cooking the pasta without some salt in the water. Bread requires a certain level of salt for the yeast to do it's magic as well. It's saltier than potato chips.
As for the amount of salt needed for a person, it depends on their activity level. I get a lot of exercise, and I sweat a lot while I get it. I often run the risk of electrolyte imbalance. So after a game or a long day of yard work, I need a fair bit to replace what was lost. Its different for everyone.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
Thirsty?
They can take my LifeAlert pendant when they pry it from my cold dead fingers.
I agree with this. Not even activity level, but how much you sweat in general.
I've lived in tropical climates before for long periods (months to years). After a month or two, I'm putting salt on everything I can. I drink 3-4 liters of filtered water a day, but I spend much of the day sweating (I prefer to have windows open as opposed to air-conditioning even if it means sweating a little...if it means sweating a lot, I turn on AC).
Salt: it's what the body craves (if your water turnover rate is really high).
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