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Microsoft Says It Will Release Two Feature Updates Per Year For Windows 10, Office (petri.com)

Microsoft is making a few changes to how it will service Windows, Office 365 ProPlus and System Center Configuration Manager. From a report: Announced today, Microsoft will be releasing two feature updates a year for Windows 10 in March in September and with each release, System Center Configuration Manager will support this new aligned update model for Office 365 ProPlus and Windows 10, making both easier to deploy and keep up to date. This is a big change for Microsoft as Windows will now be on a more predictable pattern for major updates and by aligning it with Office 365 Pro Plus, this should make these two platforms easier to service from an IT Pro perspective. The big news here is also that Microsoft is announcing when Redstone 3 is targeted for release. The company is looking at a September release window but it is worth pointing out that they traditionally release the month after the code is completed.

63 comments

  1. Why does Microsoft keep threatening us? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It is not like we do not know what to expect from them by now.

  2. In other words: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "Microsoft announced that it will make its bricking of random PCs a bi-yearly event!"

    1. Re:In other words: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What are you saying, Citizen? Microsoft would never intentionally brick anyone's computer; that would remove a valuable node from their bot-net! Unless of course you're one of those nasty cyber-criminals who, against all common sense and in blatant violation of anti-hacking laws, reverse-engineers Microsofts' expertly-written OS, and circumvents their rightful control of your computer! No one but a criminal would do that! Also it's senseless, computers are much too complex and important for mere end-users to manage, you must let your friends at Microsoft do that for you, remotely! Trust Microsoft, they know what's best for you and your computer!</sarcasm>

    2. Re: In other words: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ^ does not know what bricking means.

  3. 'Feature updates', LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Translation: Microsoft will update it's spyware twice per year, to undo the efforts of the technically-enabled non-sheep, who manage to find ways to circumvent our data collection and annexation of user PCs.

    1. Re:'Feature updates', LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You go girl! you forgot to type Micro$ucks, Microshaft, etc.

    2. Re:'Feature updates', LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It isn't the weekend yet... so "guy".

  4. Better Reliability? by freeze128 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I wonder if this is to help users who don't know what they're doing. You know, the kind that click on any link that appears on their screen, install any software no matter what kind of crap it is, and generally don't maintain their systems properly. When they have reliability problems, they call Microsoft for support, and the support agent usually just says "Reinstall the OS". Well, with these feature updates effectively doing a reinstall twice a year, that might help cut down on those calls.

    1. Re:Better Reliability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder if this is to help users who don't know what they're doing...

      Short answer; No, it won't.

      Longer, more accurate answer: Fuck no, it won't.

      Users will demand to not be bothered by security measures designed to protect them, and therefore they will still end up fucking up their systems.

    2. Re:Better Reliability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ....the support agent usually just says "Reinstall the OS". .

      That is MS answers to any issue with Win 10. There is no troubleshooting available from them at all that is not that.

    3. Re:Better Reliability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Honestly that sounds better than what they've had for the last 10+ years: a troubleshooting applet that pops up spontaneously whenever something fucks up, spins for a minute acting like it's doing something useful, then tells you it has no idea what went wrong.

      (Literally never in my life has that piece of shit solved a single problem.)

  5. Don't Want 'Em by WheezyJoe · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Since 2013, all I wanted from Office and Windows was bug-fixes. Instead, their new "features" almost always amounted to taking some useful feature away, like how the Ribbon took away menus and truly customizable toolbars, like how the Start screen took away the Start menu in Windows 8 (ok, they fixed that, sort of), like how Settings continues to rob from the Control Panel with lesser capability, all messing up years of reliable workflow.

    but the bugs remain. and File Explorer still doesn't have tabs. For what? 3-D in Microsoft Paint? There's plenty of that around already. Just fix bugs, Microsoft. Fix the damn bugs.

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    1. Re:Don't Want 'Em by WheezyJoe · · Score: 2

      Damn, I meant 2003! Fourteen years of this! Get off my LAWN!

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    2. Re:Don't Want 'Em by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's always important to remember two things:

      1) Individuals like you and me are NOT Microsoft's primary customers, that would be companies/governments that buy the expensive site licenses and support contracts, server software, etc.
      2) Even among individual users like you and me, there is a wide variety of opinions

      I personally LIKE the ribbon interface. The ribbon is a MUCH more efficient use of screen space compared to the old days where 2/3 of your screen could be taken up by various "toolbars". Since the advent of the ribbon UI, there's also been a considerable reduction in the number of nested dialog boxes. It took some time to retrain myself to use them, sure, but ultimately they have probably saved time by making settings more shallow. You can customize the ribbon UI probably just as much as the told toolbars, with the exception that you can't have a Word session open where you can only see 1-2 lines of text because you have a toolbar button for every function.

      Finally, tabs in Windows Explorer would be a feature, and thus contrary to your "just fix bugs" mantra. I personally think split views would be more useful than tabs, but tabs would be a good start.

    3. Re:Don't Want 'Em by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > 1) Individuals like you and me are NOT Microsoft's primary customers,

      You are likely not even a Microsoft customer at all*. Microsoft's main customers are OEMs and retailers. You are customers of those.

      * you may be if you bought at a Microsoft store, but hardly anyone does that.

    4. Re:Don't Want 'Em by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, but you need to look at this from MSs viewpoint. If you stabilise your core product and start just putting out bug fixes people will exit the upgrade cycle and your profit goes bye-bye. On the other hand if you keep adding (cough) "exciting new features" (the hype carrot) and leave just enough bugs/irritants in the system to ever so mildly annoy people (the stick) you keep people hungry for the next release, and so the money keeps on flowing.

      It's like built-in obsolescence for the software industry.

    5. Re:Don't Want 'Em by WheezyJoe · · Score: 1

      I personally LIKE the ribbon interface. The ribbon is a MUCH more efficient use of screen space compared to the old days where 2/3 of your screen could be taken up by various "toolbars". Since the advent of the ribbon UI, there's also been a considerable reduction in the number of nested dialog boxes. It took some time to retrain myself to use them, sure, but ultimately they have probably saved time by making settings more shallow. You can customize the ribbon UI probably just as much as the told toolbars, with the exception that you can't have a Word session open where you can only see 1-2 lines of text because you have a toolbar button for every function.

      I know people who like the Ribbon, and there was a tendency pre-Ribbon for toolbars to multiply until they took up half the screen. But toolbars could be customized without limit.. you could even add pull-down menus, and a simple bitmap editor was provided to create your own icons. So, if you rely on a lot of macros, you could build custom buttons, ordered just right in a toolbar, nested in menus if necessary so a toolbar didn't get too long.

      To my knowledge, you can't customize the stock Ribbon tabs... you can make your own tab, but the icons can sometimes appear strange. There's no way to create your own icons, you have to pick from a small stock set of smiley faces and other stupid things that don't remotely suggest what your macro does. And pull-down menus and other advanced widgets are gone completely. Yes, I know you can bind macros to keys, but try getting a secretary to memorize a bunch of magic key combinations. OTOH, just point to the pretty little icons you designed, right there on screen, just a click to get the thing done.

      We work with versions of Word in both ribbon and non-ribbon forms... I'm still way more productive in the non-ribbon version, so I hold onto it like money. I understand what Microsoft was trying to go for with the Ribbon, but yanking out the stuff that allowed me to automate and speed up my workflow was a show-stopper. Hell, I thought the whole point of macros and customization tools was to lock-in Office products into businesses like mine. Then, they up and kludged it. Extend foot, take aim, pull trigger. Microsoft.

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    6. Re:Don't Want 'Em by WheezyJoe · · Score: 1

      Yep, but you need to look at this from MSs viewpoint. If you stabilise your core product and start just putting out bug fixes people will exit the upgrade cycle and your profit goes bye-bye. On the other hand if you keep adding (cough) "exciting new features" (the hype carrot) and leave just enough bugs/irritants in the system to ever so mildly annoy people (the stick) you keep people hungry for the next release, and so the money keeps on flowing.

      It's like built-in obsolescence for the software industry.

      and I thought all they had to do was introduce a new file format.
      oh. wait. they did that.

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    7. Re:Don't Want 'Em by scumdamn · · Score: 1

      Maybe they'll start doing LTS releases.

    8. Re:Don't Want 'Em by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FYI, you can customize the stock Ribbon tabs.
      Right click, on the ribbon and select 'Customize the Ribbon...'
      You can disable the standard tabs. Add custom tabs.
      You can remove the standard groups within the tabs, create custom groups and add any function to the custom groups.
      I did not see a way to make custom nested menus in there.
      I saw a few strange drop down menus in my choices that seemed to come from a company add-in, so you can probably arrange such behavior through the scripting env and exposing the right interface.

    9. Re:Don't Want 'Em by rtb61 · · Score: 2

      Now imagine those windows downgrades forced on you twice a year, no choice and you'll have to pay rent for them. Windows 10 is just so, so, bad. Make a desktop GUI like a mobile phone, to try to sell mobile phones and screw customer usability, not a problem, come into work one day and there it will be, no choice compulsory install. Remember how MSN would do full page ads, I mean full page, you could see nothing else, now imagine that on the desktop, how much could they charge for that full page ad and well, screw you. The reality is, you a pretty gullible if you allow M$ that much power over your desktop, you digital security, your internet life (make no mistake they will own it all, you just rent, nothing but a tenant in your own digital life which M$ owns and you gave it to them?!?)

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    10. Re:Don't Want 'Em by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Damn, I meant 2003! Fourteen years of this! Get off my LAWN!

      That's how I've felt about Office since 1997. The bug I remember from O97 is that if you had it on your second monitor, pop-up menus (in toolbars and such) would appear on the primary display...

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  6. Re: Meanwhile, with Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah! That Tor is aboun the most illegal thing ever! Almost aboun as illegal as Linux... But only aboun as much.

  7. Re:And it... by DickBreath · · Score: 3, Funny

    Microsoft is trying to be more like Linux now. Windows Subsystem for Linux to (poorly) run native Linux binaries on Windows. SQL Server on Linux. Haven't you heard? Microsoft Loves Linux, and Sharks Love Fish too.

    Now Microsoft will have two yearly releases -- like Ubuntu has. I wonder if Microsoft will next introduce an LTS version of Windows.

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  8. Why do people think this will happen as MS says? by ITRambo · · Score: 1

    There are always events that push scheduled releases back. I'll believe that MS will keep this schedule, after they actually done so for a couple of years.

  9. Reading Between the Lines by sexconker · · Score: 2

    System Center Configuration Manager will support this new aligned update model

    What does this mean, exactly?

    SCCM has never needed to "support" an update model. Updates are published, WSUS picks them up, SCCM sees them in WSUS, and SCCM evaluates any ADRs you have set up (or you manually download updates, add them to groups, and deploy them). Later, you get a report about how compliance for a specific Patch Tuesday Software Update Group has fallen below your threshold of 99% (SCCM doesn't let you generate a report that expects 100% of your clients be up to date) because SCCM constantly forgets about a client's status for a deployment and never properly removes all the expired/superseded updates.

    Will I need to update the MDT & AIK every 6 months? Will I need to update SCCM every 6 months? If so, how long will SCCM 2012 (non R2) be "supported" for whatever versions of "Windows 10"?
    Setting up SCCM is a nightmare and a half and I am not going to fucking upend it every 6 months. The transition to 2012 SP2 broke all custom reports and the onyl fix was manually replication the new, unnecessary, and asinine SID translation layer they added to all the standard reports.

    1. Re:Reading Between the Lines by zlives · · Score: 0, Troll

      are you being intentionally dense?
      you don't run or manage SCCM, you have microsoft do it in your cloud first deployment model, with cloud first outsourced management vendors, and it along with all your os's and applications continually change just as you and your end users get used to it after bitching for 6 months.

      this is the a way for MS to stop people from bitching about the same thing for more than 6 months. they tried a 18 month bitch cycle (8 to 8.1 to 10...) but their software engineers have realized that perhaps if you make changes every 6 months all the users will either give up and just either commit suicide or go catatonic and just say yes to whatever is pushed down.

    2. Re:Reading Between the Lines by sexconker · · Score: 1

      I see "cloud first mobile first" on a regular basis where I work. It disgusts me.

    3. Re:Reading Between the Lines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For each of the last Windows 10 Feature releases you've had to upgrade SCCm 2012 R2 to the new feature version. Yes you will have to constantly upgrade SCCM to support the feature packs.

    4. Re:Reading Between the Lines by zlives · · Score: 1

      its interesting that no one says, productivity first, or functionality first, or support first and god forbid security first... but we do have a cloud first, mobile first.

    5. Re:Reading Between the Lines by sexconker · · Score: 1

      The icing on the cake is that they're saying 2 different things are "first".
      Waffles first, pancakes first.

  10. Good move on their part by ErichTheRed · · Score: 4, Interesting

    One of the things that "IT Pros" as Microsoft calls us have been complaining about is the unpredictable nature of updates to Windows 10 and Office. It sounds like this is a nod to the fact that not everyone is using cutting-edge software that updates at the same pace, or using common consumer applications. Corporate IT is still very different from consumer IT. Most places have started modernizing, but the reality is that big companies aren't ever going to be going at the same pace as web startups delivering a consumer phone app.

    Large companies and niche users of Windows still need to deal with compatibility problems, and knowing that Microsoft isn't going to change the way the OS works randomly from month to month gives IT groups time to test applications. You might say that only LUDDITES use desktop software and that everyone is using Apps! But, even though Apps! are becoming more prevalent, companies aren't ditching every single desktop application. Some have been running for ages and don't really need Appifying, or require significant costs to Appify. Before Windows 10, Windows was all about backward compatibility and a stable platform. That changed as they were chasing the mobile phone market, but maybe they're seeing that they have to cater both the consumer and corporate user now.

    If Microsoft really plans to not make money on client OS licensing for upgraded versions anymore, maybe this is also an attempt to rein in the constant stream of new feature development they must be doing. Adding features just for fun at a rapid pace is a recipe for security vulnerabilities...developers don't want to be bothered with writing something secure when something functional will do.

    1. Re:Good move on their part by zlives · · Score: 1

      no one asked microsoft to add features just for fun. MS did so to make you want to spend money previously. win10 is not free and if you have an EA its not gotten any cheaper.

      Its time that MS made a split between consumer and commercial, Os and Application, they are too big and they are failing.

      heck they could easily fix the negativity they have introduced with tiles and telemetry but no, some psychopath in charge can't admit to be wrong and every one has to suffer.

      maybe they will figure it out after a while of getting their butts kicked but i for one am not holding my breath.

    2. Re: Good move on their part by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you can't use capital letters, I can't take you seriously.

      You're either super fucking lazy or a cunt.

      Are you going out of your way to make them lowercase?

      Get a proper phone, keyboard, browser or whatever.

  11. Re:And it... by InfrequentCommenter · · Score: 1

    Yes, they see their failing ways and realize they are no longer a monopoly and, thus, must actually listen to their consumers. Too little, too late, in my opinion.

  12. Can we get better naming for the windows 10 update by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 2

    Can we get better naming for the windows 10 updates like windows 10.1 10.2 10.3 or even windows 10 sp1 sp2 sp3

  13. Not impressed with features so far by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nothing I have seen since the release on Windows 10 in features has impressed me. Don't get me wrong the OS itself is solid and one of the most stable Windows in a while. However, the privacy, forced updates and lack of respect for users has kept the enthusiasm at bay. Every time a major update comes out we get more crap we never wanted and can't even uninstall some of it. Isn't that what the store is for Microsoft? To download these games and apps users want. Not to force every PC to fill up with stuff they didn't want.

  14. better idea by fred6666 · · Score: 2

    Strip windows to the minimum and move applications (Paint, Edge, ...) to the Windows store or whatever they use as a replacement for apt-get.

    And also cleanup the mess that is c:\windows\winsxs (often dozens of gigabytes for no reason)

    1. Re:better idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And how about an unistall that won't allow developers to leave any file on a system. If I remove a demo and then decide to reinstall it there should be no way for the program to know it was previously installed.

    2. Re:better idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > And how about an unistall that won't allow developers to leave any file on a system.

      The only way to do this would be locking the filesystem so applications wouldn't be able to write wherever they want, even if the user is ok with that (otherwise software would be able to force the user to do it), just like happens with iOS and, as we know, doing that is being literally like Hitler.

    3. Re:better idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't have a clue what you are talking about. It's like you heard a few "computer terms" and randomly strung them together in an attempt to sound educated.

      Removing leftover files has nothing to do with file system locking or other applications. It has to do with lazy and/or nosy developers.

    4. Re: better idea by Brockmire · · Score: 1

      That's between you and the software vendor, not Microsoft. Otherwise, you get the people that bitch they don't have full control of their own system.

    5. Re: better idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just buy your software so you don't have to reinstall the os to rerun your trial ware.

  15. Re: And it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As long as they're not replacing X with Wayland... wait, what?

  16. Re:Can we get better naming for the windows 10 upd by aaron44126 · · Score: 1

    They've been attaching a version number to each one. (Granted, it may make sense to make the version number a little more obvious.) The latest "Creator's Update" is version 1703. The version number is just a representation of the year and month of release.

  17. Re:Can we get better naming for the windows 10 upd by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    Yes they have that but it needs to be more obvious.

  18. Twice yearly roll out of incompatibilities - 1 by Alain+Williams · · Score: 1

    Written in bits - too much and a stupid lameness filter stops it.

    Now that Microsoft has got a large number of machines being upgraded when it wants it can start to roll out code that breaks other systems; be they those who are still running old versions of Microsoft Windows (ie not 10) or those who run non Microsoft operating systems or applications. Eg Linux and LibreOffice. They roll out applications that handle a new file or wire protocol in March and then make it default in September, removing use of old protocols next March.

  19. Re:And it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, they see their failing ways and realize they are no longer a monopoly and, thus, must actually listen to their consumers. Too little, too late, in my opinion.

    HAHAHAHAHAHA. MS listens. Thats a joke.

  20. how is this new? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How is this new? MS has been talking about this for a while, like since win 10 came out. How they were going to do major updates twice a year.

  21. They're positive by HeckRuler · · Score: 1

    They don't know what's going to be in future feature updates, but they're sure as shit not going to be backwards compatible.

    They couldn't be more obvious as trying to move to OS-as-a-Service aka "We own you, pay us every month".

  22. Re:Can we get better naming for the windows 10 upd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because that's the type of thing that really matters to people who don't know how to query it from powershell

  23. Re:And it... by Blaskowicz · · Score: 2

    You sound like you wish you were joking, but yes Microsoft did. They've had what they call an "LTSB".

    You can't have it, though.

    (I believe, a contract with them covering a minimum of 100 desktop licenses is needed, for the feature I had in Windows 98 of "don't install crap I don't want to")

  24. I would like the "no telemetry" one next by gweihir · · Score: 1

    Otherwise I wil continue to have zero interest in the Win10 spyware. Next up: The ability to block updates forever or my interest will still be very low indeed.

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  25. Re:Can we get better naming for the windows 10 upd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Look closer at those version numbers. Here is a hint: 1703 was released in March 2017. It's actually meaningful and better than just arbitrarily incrementing by one tenth.

  26. Re:And it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Microsoft had a LTS support model on previous Windows version but with Win10 they abandoned that completely and moved to rolling release model. Now the application developers and users are forced to either suck it and waste their time on keeping things running or leave the platform. There is no middle ground, where people did not have to spend time to just keep their system running.

  27. Sounds like a threat to me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And what demands do we have to meet so they won't release these updates?

  28. Re:And it... by iampiti · · Score: 1

    If you ask me Windows 10 is the opposite of listening to customers. They've made a lot of changes that no one wants (and in the OS and spying being just 2 examples).
    Of course they pretend to listen, the same way Apple pretends to care about the planet as said in a recent story

  29. Re:Can we get better naming for the windows 10 upd by freeze128 · · Score: 1

    How come my version of Windows 10 is Version 10.0.14393? That's not any date!

  30. Re: And it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You should not respond, you are uninformed.

    The long term branch is for Enterprise, not Home and Pro.

    Google says:

    "LTSB is a licensing option for Windows 10 Enterprise and is available only for customers with a Volume License agreement. Each LTSB release receives standard monthly security and reliability updates for an extended 10-year support period. No new features are added over its servicing lifetime."

  31. Re: Meanwhile, with Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If Canadians pronounce about as "a boot", where the fuck are you from?