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FCC Takes First Step Toward Allowing More Broadcast TV Mergers (theverge.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Verge: In a divided vote today, the Federal Communications Commission took steps that could lead to more consolidation among TV broadcasters, reducing the number of sources of local news. Today's changes revolve around the media ownership cap -- a limit on how many households a TV or radio broadcaster is allowed to reach. The rules are meant to promote diversity of media ownership, giving consumers access to different content and viewpoints. The cap currently prevents a company from reaching no more than 39 percent of U.S. households with broadcast TV. Large broadcasters hate the cap because it prevents them from getting even bigger. And since Trump took office and Ajit Pai was named chairman of the FCC, they've been lobbying to have it revised. The FCC's vote today starts to do that. First, it reinstates a rule known as the "UHF discount," which lets broadcasters have a bigger reach in areas where they use a certain type of technology. And second, it starts plans to revisit and raise the media ownership cap.

71 comments

  1. Cut the cord for real by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Get rid of your TV. Stop watching all that bullshit that keeps you brainwashed.

    1. Re:Cut the cord for real by QuantumLeaper · · Score: 1

      How, most of my friends use their TV as a monitor, again, reminds of early 80s. Some have a Monitor and TV but most just have a TV they use a monitor. Or do you mean ONLY to cut the cable TV, since were I live you really only have Cable internet, if you want any kind of speed...

    2. Re:Cut the cord for real by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 1

      They use the TV as a monitor?! What are they using, Amigas?

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    3. Re:Cut the cord for real by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree.

      Unfortunately we're all adversely affected those that love bullshit and don't mind being brainwashed.

    4. Re:Cut the cord for real by tgetzoya · · Score: 2

      I use my 55inch 4k TV as a monitor. It's great for playing steam games with friends using a Xbox 360 controller. I refuse to pay 60$ a year for the "privilege" of multiplayer on PS4/Xbox One so when I play anything multiplayer it's on Steam. When I use a wireless mouse and keyboard it's a little painful with lag but it's manageable. Since I only use Windows for Windows-only things, it's the only computer that has Windows installed.

      When I want to do real work, I have a Linux laptop.

    5. Re:Cut the cord for real by mallyn · · Score: 1

      +5000

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    6. Re:Cut the cord for real by mallyn · · Score: 1

      I went further. I built an oscilloscope from the parts of an old tv for my science fair project which showed what sound waves look like when you speak into a microphone.

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    7. Re:Cut the cord for real by QuantumLeaper · · Score: 1

      I guess you have never heard of HDMI, since that what my Video card outputs, HDMI and/or DVI.. You could always get a DVI to HDMI connector for you TV. They cost a whole $3.95, that must be expensive for you or order it online and get one for half that price.

  2. And when it's all owned by a single corp... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Totally different from state propaganda channels right?
    I mean, Comcast News channel 1, Comcast News Channel 5, Comcast News channel 12 and Comcast News channel 331 are entirely different uh, weather ladies.

    One of them even has Channel capitalized but not the others, so you can tell they're completely different.

    1. Re:And when it's all owned by a single corp... by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      Totally different from state propaganda channels right?
      I mean, Comcast News channel 1, Comcast News Channel 5, Comcast News channel 12 and Comcast News channel 331 are entirely different uh, weather ladies.

      One of them even has Channel capitalized but not the others, so you can tell they're completely different.

      You mean you actually watch linear television? What, are you 80?

      In case you are: IMO cable has been digging its own grave for the last two decades, and ever since broadcast stations realized that they basically can write themselves a blank check for retransmission fees and squeeze ever more ads in to the same time slots, they've been doing the same thing. Likewise, I wouldn't count on linear television lasting much longer; especially once the baby boomer generation is gone.

      The media companies can go right on ahead and buy up all of those extra markets for all I care, because they're just wasting their money in the long run. Comcast may think its sheer size makes it immune to market forces, but sooner or later it will have a Verizon moment.

    2. Re:And when it's all owned by a single corp... by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 2

      You realize that there's not much distinction in corporate ownership, right? NBC is Comcast is 30% of Hulu (ABC has 30%, Fox 30% and Turner 10%). Heck, many popular YouTube channels are owned by the same cartel. PewDiePie's channel was owned by Disney/ABC.

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    3. Re:And when it's all owned by a single corp... by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      Actually, a lot of them are running close to having their Verizon moments. Disney/ABC in particular are currently feeling the sting of cable subscriber losses, especially their ESPN division. In fact, the only reason Disney is still profitable is because they've bought a lot of big name franchises like Star Wars. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if we see at least another 8 more Star Wars movies in addition to the already existing 8. The 9th is mere months away, and when it hits that will be THREE major Star Wars movies within a two year span.

      Mark my words: By the year 2024, in a theater near you will be Star Wars Episode 12: Jar Jar's Conquest. It will feature Jar Jar in command of a galaxy sized Death Star which the rebels will have to take down using an army of 5 million cloned Ewoks each commanding their own planet sized Death Star.

  3. Turn off your televisions! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As a kid I thought mom was mean for not letting us kids watch tv all the time. here I sit at age 30 thinking my mom was far more wise than I had imagined. I decided to try and cut back a month ago. I've watched two f1 races and that's it this month.

    I feel calmer, happier and less tired. I focus better at work and think clearer in general. Tv is a drug like pot or booze. Use it in moderation.

    1. Re:Turn off your televisions! by quonset · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I've watched two f1 races and that's it this month.

      That's what I do miss after I cut the cord; F1, BBC (news and Dr. Who) and college football. Aside from those three items, I honestly can't think of anything else I miss by not having tv. What I do remember is constantly flipping through channels either trying to find something to watch, or avoiding commercials.

      If ESPN would broadcast college football without one having to be subscribed to a cable company, I would be very happy.

    2. Re:Turn off your televisions! by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 1

      The only thing that I was allowed to watch as a kid was Cosmos. Ona B&W tv. My parents sucked.

    3. Re:Turn off your televisions! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Depending on your ISP you may have access to espn3.com

      Also substitute F1 for IndyCar(better racing anyway) and you can find races officially on YouTube a few days after the event.
      SkyNews and France24 are both free on YouTube and if I'm not mistake Dr Who is on Netflix.

    4. Re:Turn off your televisions! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Play.....Station...Vue

  4. MSM by speedplane · · Score: 3, Informative

    For someone who railed against the "mainstream media", it's surprising that Trump would support a policy allowing the largest media companies to become even larger.

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    1. Re:MSM by currently_awake · · Score: 1

      You don't become a Billionaire by ignoring revenue streams.

    2. Re:MSM by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      For someone who railed against the "mainstream media", it's surprising that Trump would support a policy allowing the largest media companies to become even larger.

      It has zero to do with news. Its an outdated policy that was created back when local was one of the only, if not only choice. It makes no sense today, most people have options.

    3. Re:MSM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It doesn't really matter. "Independent" stations have a short leash already.

    4. Re:MSM by SeaFox · · Score: 2

      For someone who railed against the "mainstream media", it's surprising that Trump would support a policy allowing the largest media companies to become even larger.

      No, it not.
      Trump doing the opposite of what he said at an earlier time is completely expected now by me.

    5. Re:MSM by rtb61 · · Score: 2

      You need more mergers, otherwise how can there only be one, the 'Big Brother' channel, everyone has to watch and that watches you back. Heck they might as well be one channel, they all repeat the exact same corporate propaganda and they all promote the same shallow narcissistic lifestyle (the lifestyle of their stars and pseudo celebrities). All the channels and just one network, the 'Big Brother' network, the watches you.

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    6. Re:MSM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Because one owner is easier to control than many owners.

    7. Re:MSM by speedplane · · Score: 1

      It makes no sense today, most people have options.

      Actually, most people have fewer options than ever. Most media companies are controlled by Walt Disney, Time Warner, CBS Corporation Viacom, or 21st century fox.

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    8. Re:MSM by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 1

      But there are all the internet based options for entertainment, news, and to some extent sports, providing much more choice than we ever had.

  5. /. , ESPN, IMDb, it really doesn't matter by turkeydance · · Score: 1

    there's a Trump post within the top.

  6. Re:What's broadcast TV??? by Tablizer · · Score: 2

    You see, that's the old annoying oligopoly set. How we have a new annoying oligopoly set.

  7. the "uhf discount" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    is a totally obsolete incentive since the changeover to digital broadcasts. it is simply an old relic from the days from when uhf was actually inferior to vhf, in both recognition and broadcast coverage and quality, that the republican morons on the commission are using to open the door to mergers of massive proportions that will do NOTHING good for the general public.

    it is also further muddied by the fact that many local stations use a 'virtual' channel number still in the vhf range (which was their old analog channel number) while actually continuing to broadcast on their formerly-temporary uhf assigned frequencies (used during the transition period when both analog and digital was being transmitted).

    1. Re:the "uhf discount" by Megane · · Score: 1

      To be completely fair, upper VHF (7-13) is rather nice for ATSC, but a lot of antennas without VHF elements are sold these days. Lower VHF is rather crap for ATSC, though. Maybe they are the ones who deserve a "discount" (whatever that is) these days.

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  8. This is definitely news by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 3, Insightful

    for the four people who still watch and trust anything on Television.

    1. Re:This is definitely news by Skuld-Chan · · Score: 1

      If my social circle is any indicator - Trump voters ;).

      Ironically it does mean less TV choice for people who live in rural America.

    2. Re:This is definitely news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not just that, there are basically only five media companies anyway (Comcast, Disney, Time Warner, National Amusements, and News Corporation), and four of them might as well report on the same news. Letting them merge won't change anything about the coverage you get, it will be the same liberal bullshit that you get already.

    3. Re:This is definitely news by guises · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, it's way more than four and (per Lisa Simpson) they vote at a disproportionate rate.

    4. Re:This is definitely news by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      You're right - owning vast swaths of the EM spectrum, esp. the same frequencies coast to coast - is clearly valueless.

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    5. Re:This is definitely news by ezelkow1 · · Score: 1

      Thats not what this is talking about at all. This concerns companies like tegna and hearst television. Those are the ones who own all the local tv stations, not comcast/disney/nbc

  9. A prediction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the end, this will favor News Corporation.

  10. Been there. Didn't like it. by kevmeister · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I have a home in Indio, the largest city in the Coachella Valley of California. It's mostly known for Palm Springs and the Coachella Music and Arts Festival. It's high profile, but not large, Two companies own all of the local broadcast TV stations. One owns ABC, CBS, Fox, and Telmundo stations. The other has NBC and CW. I suspect that they own Univision, but I'm not quite sure.

    That's it for diversity. We see the same news stories from the same reporters, often introduced by the same anchors. This is allowed because we are a "small market". The stations are all "low power" stations. I can watch the same news six times a day, if I really want to be bored.

    I wonder if the two could soon be allowed to merge and reduce local coverage to one source. The new regulations might allow this. News coverage is already badly warped by mega-owners. How many subtly (of not subtly) news stories are ties to Disney movies on ABC stations? I see a LOT. How many commentaries are influenced and news stories perspectives "adjusted" for the corporate masters? I don't know, but I am sure it's a lot. This change is a very bad idea.

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    1. Re:Been there. Didn't like it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is allowed because we are a "small market". The stations are all "low power" stations. I can watch the same news six times a day, if I really want to be bored.

      I wonder if the two could soon be allowed to merge and reduce local coverage to one source. The new regulations might allow this. News coverage is already badly warped by mega-owners.

      If our democracy dies, it will do so not from external threats. ISIS is not an existential threat, nor is any other country, group, or subgroup. No, it will die because it rotted from within and it will die for one simple reason. It will die because truth has died.

      It doesn't have to be a complete blackout of truth. You just need to manipulate enough of the right people that voting's only possible outcome is to elect terrible people. Garbage in. Garbage out.

      What causes this failure? Is it simply bad media, or few media, or such? No, it is possible that having only one media provider will result in more accurate media, but the odds are against it. We must have a thriving and independent media and we must pay for that media, even if it is a tax. Health care is a tempest in a teacup compared to lack of a diet rich in truth. A lack of health care may kill the people. A lack of truth will kill our civilization. 1984 is not our goal. It was our warning, as was the last election.

      Some are clearly better than others as for as accuracy. It is the _DUTY_ of every citizen to seek those out, and also to seek a variety of those out and become informed. If we fail at that duty our democracy dies the death of a thousand little cuts.

      If we fail at that duty, Trump is only the beginning. Trump is not an existential threat to democracy. He is a symptom of the progression of the rot. It is like someone shows up at the emergency room with a 105 fever and vomiting up feces, and we call that the new normal. We call that "okay". It is not. The cause of the sickness was not Trump's birth, or him running for election, or any of his continuous string of lies.

      The cause of the sickness was that we did not reject him and his lies. Our immune system failed. It was as if it had cancer and was trained to recognized accurate news as the foreign parasite, while the lies and distortions replicated and multiplied and metastasized. Sure our immune system was hit by some very virulent crap, some from russia, but russia worked because we were weak. Russia's attempts worked, because various groups and organizations had paved the way to make that crap believable and acceptable. Yes, Trump contributed. That anyone believed him was, however, our sin. That we still have purely a first past the post system that contributes is also our sin.

      The real problem is, our defenses seem to be weakening, not growing. The amount of accurate sources of information seems to be shrinking, not growing. The very concept of truth itself seems to be fading into the sunset. I see a small resurgence, but that is likely in part only because I want to see it. The same lies; the same excuses; the same mess that worked before can work again, and it is certainly not just for president, but for every office in the country.

      We have become complacent. If we lose easy access to accurate news, then we must work harder to get it. If it takes buying a newspaper, well then do it. Do whatever it takes to be well and completely informed, not just with two artificially balanced opinions, but reality itself.

      Here, for instance is one truth. People want paid for work. If you are just playing around with health insurance, then any plan that greatly reduces costs, must also greatly reduce services. Nonsense like, an old man doesn't need insurance for having a kid is just that nonsense. It merely shifts the entire cost directly to the mother, which basically makes it not insurance at all, but a very large bill. Now if our society decides with eyes wide open that it is everyone for themselves, then fine. Let's just not lie about it. Also, if we are doing that, we need to stop requiring providers to treat people regardless of their ability to pay. Policies and procedures must meet the requirements imposed on us by reality first.

    2. Re:Been there. Didn't like it. by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      I have no problem with 1 company being able to reach all people in the US. I do have issues with 1 company effectively owning all sources in 1 area, otherwise known as a monopoly. My personal take on this would be no company can own more than 10% of broadcasting entities servicing an area with a minimum allowable of 1. That would seem to spur competition and keep the number of competitors higher than they are today.

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  11. Consolidate all businesses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One Nation, Under Trump.

  12. Sigh. Another cool thing bites the... by WheezyJoe · · Score: 2

    Free OTA TV could be a good thing, just like a free Internet could be a good thing (free as in free from being spied on by your ISP, and free as in hosting your own server w/o having to pay for "business class".. still gotta pay a fair price for the service). But no, in the name of the most holy imaginary hand of the free market, everything consolidates under the biggest umbrella to get the biggest profit out of the least effort.

    It doesn't have to be this way. The airwaves, and the Internet, belongs in one way or another to the public. You know, us. But we keep electing goons who give it away to people who take 'em out to pricey steak dinners and give 'em free rides on private jets. Do you know who your goon... uhhh Congressman is? What's he's been up to? I'll bet not, and that's why we can't have nice things.

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  13. Illegally here and yet running the country by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought illegals weren't allowed to hold office?

    Why is this H1-B reject running the country's infrastructure?

    All of his policies so far have favored companies with strong ties to his native India.

    Ok so he's an anchor baby and not technically illegal, but still he needs to go back home and run India's infrastructure into the ground.

  14. In Australia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Australia got this last year when the 10 (Southern Cross) and 9 (WIN) national networks (named after their original VHF channel) became partners. It allows them to share re-runs and change their schedule every 15 minutes; meaning they promote only the latest episodes of the top ten shows. Because Australian drama is "too expensive", the top shows are reality-based games with non-stop back-stabbing by the contestants.

    1. Re:In Australia by youngone · · Score: 1
      New Zealand got this 20 years ago when the two media companies divided up all the newspapers in the country between them.

      Then they bought all the radio stations. One of them owns a free to air TV network, the other owns the pay TV network. There is a publically owned free to air network, but it owns a (small) share of the pay TV network, so won't compete with it.

      They are now trying to claim they don't make enough money competing with each other so they need to merge.

      Guess who's reporting on that as being a good thing? That's right, the media companies.

  15. This effects local TV stations by rsilvergun · · Score: 2, Insightful

    and like it or not millions of people get their news from those and choose how they vote based on that news. You should be utterly, balls to the walls terrified of this. Billionaires are going to sweep in and buy out the last vestiges of independent news. They're then going to subtlety manipulate people.

    Here's a prefect example: The stories about North Korea's "Super Mighty" strike. The phrase Super Mighty in English sounds childish. It's meant to diminish the perceived threat from North Korea. The word "strike" is to make sure you know they're still a danger. In other words: You're being told it's just like Iraq. A weak enemy that'll roll over when we move in.

    That's the kind of propaganda that'll be everywhere, not just on the major Cable networks. And that will suck, hard. Because dumb poor people will see it and vote you (and your draft age kids) into a war.

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    1. Re:This effects local TV stations by Obfuscant · · Score: 2

      The phrase Super Mighty in English sounds childish. It's meant to diminish the perceived threat from North Korea.

      The problem with your argument is that this phrase was used by North Korea itself, reported by Reuters:

      The Rodong Sinmun, the official newspaper of North Korea's ruling Workers' Party, struck an aggressive tone earlier on Thursday.

      "In the case of our super-mighty preemptive strike being launched, it will completely and immediately wipe out not only U.S. imperialists' invasion forces in South Korea and its surrounding areas but the U.S. mainland and reduce them to ashes," it said.

      It is easy to forget while living in countries where the press is free and is expected to publish things that make the government look bad, that places like North Korea don't have such freedoms, and certainly not when you consider that the source is the official publication of the ruling political party.

      Do you believe that North Korea used this phrase to deliberately diminish the seriousness of their threat?

      That's the kind of propaganda that'll be everywhere, not just on the major Cable networks.

      I hadn't heard the phrase before, so I did a quick google for it. It seems to be everywhere, not just the major cable networks. ABC, CBS, NBC, Reuters, USA Today, and The Telegraph are all hits high on the list.

      I think it is a good thing when such statements are aired openly and by every news organization. I don't see how loosening the cap on coverage areas is going to change this specific situation at all. I also think that concerns about billionaires buying up media and manipulating the news are about two decades, at least, too late. It doesn't require just one billionaire buying all the news media to have this happen, just the fact that billionaires are in charge of setting news policy for the ones they already own.

      Bernard Goldberg wrote a book about his experiences at CBS. It's a fascinating read, and it was written almost 20 years ago.

    2. Re:This effects local TV stations by desdinova+216 · · Score: 1

      was that the recent "Missile Test"/Attention whore attempt by North Korea.

  16. Re:What's broadcast TV??? by by+(1706743) · · Score: 2

    For those occasional times when I want to watch TV (sports, etc.), it's nice to be able to flip on the TV and get a nice 720 or 1080 picture w/surround sound, zero streaming issues common to "questionable" sources, and pay $0 for it (my "antenna" is a length of speaker wire).

    Yes, for all of my actual content it's Netflix, locally stored media, etc.

  17. Welcome to the new 1984 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The more people they try to force feed their acidic and depression inducing "news" down peoples throats the more people will get wise and simply turn off the TV.

    1. Re:Welcome to the new 1984 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The media's goal is to have the working-class exclusively communicate in Newspeak, by the year A.D. 2050; To do this they must gain complete control of means of communication.

  18. Anti-Consumerist Agenda by BrendaEM · · Score: 1

    Why strip away the best virtue of capitalism, you jackasses?

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  19. Brilliant by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1
    We have a lot of radio statinos in my area. About half of them have teh exact same content.

    Funny how this freedom for the businesses leads to homogeneity.

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  20. Bogus headline by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Should have read FCC reverses Obama administration attempt to contravene existing law with bogus regulation.

  21. Old rules prevent creating new networks by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 2

    The old rules prevent anybody (with enough money) from buying an outlet in each of the bulk of the markets and setting up a new network. (That would be doable even by parties of relatively modest means, because there are a lot of little stations that are hanging on by their fingernails which might be available cheap.) They're limited to directly reaching about a third of the potential viewers (and partnering with other owners if they want to reach more).

    Meanwhile, they don't keep someone from buying up essentially all the outlets in a particular area (since taking over more of the stations doesn't add any more potential viewers).

    Both of those reduce diversity - the first nationally, the second within regions.

    Seems to me that eliminating the rule would fix the first one and increase the diversity of opinion available to viewers.

    (Meanwhile, if the FCC wants to prohibit something to try to increase diversity, they could limit the number of outlets within each region a single party could own. That would also free up some outlets for new wholly-owned network builders, too.)

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    1. Re:Old rules prevent creating new networks by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      Both of those reduce diversity - the first nationally, the second within regions.

      Seems to me that eliminating the rule would fix the first one and increase the diversity of opinion available to viewers.

      (Meanwhile, if the FCC wants to prohibit something to try to increase diversity, they could limit the number of outlets within each region a single party could own. That would also free up some outlets for new wholly-owned network builders, too.)

      Doing the first without the second gets you into the worst possible situation you can be in.

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  22. Almost by s.petry · · Score: 0

    Correct regarding the current state of media being monopolized, but off by about 10 years. We were warned back in the 80s that monopolization would lead to propagandizing of "news" and the people giving warning were absolutely correct.Media in the US Is pure propaganda. Some stations much worse than others (MSNBC/CNN) but they each have a hefty left tilt.

    GP is correct however, that people should be bothered about further monopolization. I have been saying for over a decade that "News" needs to be addressed by the Sherman Act and broken up, not allowed to monopolize further. Media won't give voice to that need, and they lobby Congress so that no action gets taken. People (we) have to start pushing back, because we see what has been done to other mediums which have tried to substitute for the lack of real news. Facebook, Twitter, Youtube, all being censored.

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    1. Re:Almost by Obfuscant · · Score: 0

      but off by about 10 years

      "two decades, at least" means "twenty or more years". How can a statement that has no starting date be short by ten years?

      GP is correct however, that people should be bothered about further monopolization.

      Changing the 39% value doesn't mean there will become a news monopoly, nor would changing the UHF discount. And considering the huge number of news sources today, claiming that anyone had a monopoly on providing it is just patently absurd.

      Facebook, Twitter, Youtube, all being censored.

      I understand that you are using the term "censored" in the modern, meaningless sense, hoping to evoke fear based on true censorship. None of those media are being censored, at least not in the US. Yes, German laws regarding Nazi material (as one example), that's true censorship, but we're talking about US Federal regulation of media ownership, which is based on US law, not German.

    2. Re:Almost by s.petry · · Score: 1

      No, I'm using censorship in the correct fashion. You on the other hand are attempting to insinuate that only Governments can censor, which is false. When you point out the TV numbers alone it does not demonstrate the larger scope of the problem. Most likely your intentional way of attempting to minimize any claims that censorship is rampant in the US. It is, you are wrong. Pretty simple.

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    3. Re:Almost by Obfuscant · · Score: 0

      No, I'm using censorship in the correct fashion.

      Your 'fashion' makes the term meaningless. You, yourself, are guilty of censorship under your use, since you chose what words you used and prevented yourself from using ones that you did not want. I "censor" my own postings here; you "censor" yours; others "censor" theirs. By choosing not to post to Twitter, I "censor" Twitter, and ditto Facebook and whatever else. Claiming "censorship" under such a definition is hardly an earth-shattering problem; it is so common that it is meaningless. The only possible use of the term "censorship", then, is to try to evoke the negative connotations of real censorship.

      Using your definition, the only reasonable response to a cry of "censorship" is "so what?" Only when it comes to true, enforced censorship does it have any negative connotations. Who in the US truly censors any of the private companies you listed? If your only answer is like "Twitter is closing accounts of people who do X", then you haven't met the burden of proof.

      When you point out the TV numbers alone it does not demonstrate the larger scope of the problem.

      I pointed out "the TV numbers" because this discussion is about the FCC changing "the TV numbers". They can do nothing about the numbers overall because they do not regulate the vast majority of news sources. Trying to claim that this change will create "censorship" and "monopolies" of news is just silly. It's like saying that a store that refuses to carry M&M candies is trying to deprive the world of chocolate. There are so many other sources of chocolate that you won't go hungry no matter what that store doesn't sell you.

    4. Re:Almost by s.petry · · Score: 1

      Horse shit. You are free to say what you want as am I. Censorship is blocking speech. How about reading a definition of the word and then applying that definition to my comments. Dumbass.

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    5. Re:Almost by Obfuscant · · Score: 0

      Censorship is blocking speech.

      True, meaningful censorship requires some official prohibition, not simply a limitation on what is said by the speaker or the owner of the medium being used to speak. Otherwise, "censorship" occurs every minute of every day in every medium, and the definition you are using is absolutely worthless for anything other than emotional impact. "Censorship bad" is a wonderful meme, but only if you limit the use of "censorship" to actually represent something bad.

      I understand why you want to use the term that way, but when using your definition my only response to concerns that changing the ownership limits on broadcast media will create censorship opportunities is "so what"? The local TV station has no legal requirement to distribute your words, therefore they can already "censor" you, but only when you try to claim that every limitation on your speech in any medium is "censorship". Changing the ownership limits doesn't change anything. Censorship becomes bad when it is some official telling your local TV station that your ideas may not be broadcast at all.

  23. You have three camps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Camp 1) The stations that either directly or indirectly back the current amalgamation of the Senate, the Congress and the Executive branch
    Camp 2) The stations that by policy or funding vehicles... cannot abide by camp 1's stance and therefore have to support any other effort both judicial, legal and validated (or just grab your hoodie and your mask and say fk-it) because you decided that camp 1 isn't what you wanted.. but camp 2 is less bad. They are the Sad face camp.. because they didn't get the trophy for showing up.
    Camp 3) The enlightened citizens that realize they don't have to be part of Camp1 or Camp2, but realize they have the constitutional right to have their own opinion and their own stance.

    Peace out.

  24. Slashdor, Once Technical, Now Politically.. Left by realperseus · · Score: 0

    That Verge article is an indoctrination piece. Garbage article from a garbage outfit. The submitter should have found a publication that deals with actual TV broadcasting and linked to that article instead of this verge garbage. Come on people, do Your Own Thinking instead of getting indoctrinated.

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  25. I'm involved in this to some extent by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I work for TV. Right now, my station is undergoing a 'move' that will most likely involve a merger, and will 'retire' early. Such is the business of broadcasting (radio, TV and catv) for the last 30 years.
    With the start of the station re-pack to free up spectrum for cell phones (paraphrasing here), there will be a bunch of stations that will go dark permanently. Some are marginal operations that took the buy-out because the money was to good to pass up. Others are pretty much duplicate operations, that, after the channel changes, will overlap coverage areas enough that it will not make sense to pay for running 2 of the same so close together. Some of the disappearing sub channel services will get moved, other will get dropped (shopping channels and music, wx, traffic cams) to make room for the more popular subs.
    After all this is done at the end of 2020 (there is a mandatory schedule), then the 8VSB protocol will be replaced with ATSC 3.0, making your TV obsolete for OTA reception unless you buy a converter box or get cable. ATSC 3 will allow more than one HD (720p) channel. It's all about efficiency and cost savings.

  26. Thanks for watching Fox/CNN-ABCNBCCBS! by Chas · · Score: 1

    Seriously?

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  27. As bad as it is now.. by Neuronwelder · · Score: 1

    It's hard to imagine less selections than what few we have now. :(

  28. 39% of U.S. households? What? by hackel · · Score: 1

    I've never heard of a broadcast TV station having a range of more than around a hundred kilometres. How could any broadcast station ever begin to reach anywhere near 39% (49 million!) households? Even stations in New York City are only reaching 19-20 million people, according to the FTC.

  29. Re:39% of U.S. households? What? by kimvette · · Score: 1

    You mis-read the summary. Go back and re-read it. It's pretty clear that reference total stations owned by any one entity exceeding service to > 39% of households.

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  30. Did you even read my post? by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    The point is how the US Media portrayed it with a notable lack of gravity. The quote was in the headlines of every article. The point is you're being manipulated whether you care to acknowledge it or not.

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