EU Lawmakers Include Spotify and iTunes In Geoblocking Ban (reuters.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Reuters: European Union lawmakers voted on Tuesday to ban online retailers from treating consumers differently depending on where they live and expanded their proposed law to include music streaming services such as Spotify and Apple's iTunes. Ending so-called geoblocking is a priority for the European Commission as it tries to create a single market for digital services across the 28-nation bloc, but many industries argue that they tailor their prices to specific domestic markets. The proposal, which will apply to e-commerce websites such as Amazon, Zalando and eBay, as well as for services provided in a specific location like car rental, forbids online retailers from automatically re-routing customers to their domestic website without their consent. In a blow for the book publishing and music industries, European Parliament members voted to include copyright-protected content such as music, games, software and e-books in the law. That would mean music streaming services such as Spotify and iTunes would not be able to prevent, for example, a French customer buying a cheaper subscription in Croatia, if they have the required rights.
Absent the ability to "adjust" for maximum profit in each region, now an average price is expensive for at least half the countries in the EU.
While they ignore all their other problems. Good luck with those demographics folks. I'm sure those who show up for the future version of Europe won't have the same concerns.
The holy grail for anyone selling anything, is the ability to charge the customer, not based on the value of the product or service, but rather on the customer's ability to pay. In the old days, this was accomplished by creating barriers for the movement of goods and services. A drug company could charge someone in rural Mexico a completely different price for a pill than they could charge someone in New York City because is was very hard for the more affluent customer to realize that it was available elsewhere for cheaper. Some goes for DVDs, books, software, and just about everything else. Now with the internet, anyone can order just about anything from anywhere. Those artificial market barriers have been broken down. This threatens the profit margins of many companies.
So why doesnt ITunes in USA charge less for a song in Detroit than LA? Let me think.. Because you are a single market?
So mindful. California makes fuel. Exporting it someplace else adds costs. Sending it to Hawaii adds cost that California does not have. Beside USofA? You Sof Ah; retard.
The price of fuel in the Antarctic is high too. Transport and storage costs. Getting a few pounds of fuel in orbit to keep a satellite in place is quite pricey.
Music, putting it on a wire and downloading it in Croatia or Norway from the same server in France really doesn't add to the delivery cost; the end user pays for his data rate. So before you add your foolish comments stop, detail why it should cost more or less in one location. Then speak of it as the reason the prices should not be equal.
If they can H1B cheaper employees we should be able to H1B cheaper products.
Some countries imposes legal limitations on content.
By forbidding geo-blocking, content that is legal in other EU countries would suddenly need to be blocked across the EU, to prevent, for example, Germans from seeing/hearing it, because it's illegal in Germany.
Sounds like a freedom-supporting plan to me! (NOT!)
If digital retailers are not allowed to handle different regions differently:
Does this mean GOG.com and Steam will be allowed to sell video games with Nazis in them with Germany, or does it mean the German ban on Nazis in media is now effectively EU-wide?
This is what happens when you to to exploit the "global economy". It bites back.
Why would anyone pay the sucker price when they can walk across the street and get the same exact thing for much less?
A game, movie, song, etc. isn't worth more based on where it's sold. I'm sick of paying full price for such things while people in Asia and Russia pay pennies on the dollar. (Though I'm glad I'm paying tons more like people in Australia and South America are.) If you can sell the game to millions in China/Russia/etc. for X, I'm going to seek to pay no more than X as well.
I mean, what's the worst that can happen to me? You region lock your shit? I'll just crack it or use a VPN. You jack up the prices in Russia/wherever? You're not going to jack them up past the US price, so it's still a net win for me.
but many industries argue that they tailor their prices to specific domestic markets
They can be free to make that argument when they start tailoring their job openings to those specific domestic markets instead of outsourcing to where-ever is cheapest and importing H1B labor to fill the local gaps that can't be outsourced.
I wonder if this will apply to DVD's and region restrictions on movie releases ? What about book prices between the US and Canada/Australia ? I realize none of those are EU entities but it would be really cool to some sort of precedent set.
errr....umm...*whooosh* *whoosh* Is this thing on ?
price discrimination based on geo already admits that the product is sold at prices that are just made up and pulled from a hat in the first place - that the product could just as well be 5 bucks or 10 bucks and the seller would still have the product to sell. music is art anyways and the price of digitally distributed music has very fucking little to do with price of gas. gas has actual value and takes money to procure and you cant sell the same gas to 10000 people - in your example the gas in beverly hills would be 3x the price in arkansas just because the gas companies decided so by looking at income levels.
From the blurb:
> but many industries argue that they tailor their prices to specific domestic markets
Oh, yeah. I fully agree this is the problem. Many industries argue that they don't make enough profit. Yeah, yeah. Let's throw some money at them poor critters.
I live in Ireland and my natural Ebay site is ebay.ie but I can also use ebay.co.uk and presumably other ebay sites as well. The price is the same regardless of site pretty much.
(You do get venders that sell a product for a price but in different currencies e.g $10 or euro 10) Australian Dollars is almost always cheapest.
Where there is a big difference is on which Ebay Site you pay for the items on. If I pay on ebay.co.uk then i get buyer protection and a right to return within 14 days while if I buy on ebay.ie I don't. Sometimes that matters.
Ever since I bought an old macbook which died 3 days after receiving it and getting told by ebay to take it up with paypal who sided with the seller I now use the ebay.co.uk checkout rather than the ebay.ie one (if i had done that with that mac which came from the uk I would have got my money back from the seller).
It also pays to shop around with amazon too, there is .co.uk .de .es .fr and often there is a price difference between sites for the same item from the same seller and if it's fulfilled by amazon tends to ship from the same warehouse! Generally it's a better move for me to buy from a euro using amazon site than the uk site since the amazon checkout will give me a lousy exchange rate buying in euro's for something priced in sterling. Spain tends to have the best prices, Germany the best stock levels. My German and Spanish language skills pretty much zero but google translate handles that problem.
The best place to ship from is Germany best priced shipping. Brexit has made a pretty big difference too. UK prices had got pretty poor over the last few years but the devaluing of Sterling now makes buying from the UK pretty competitive. It's kind of like they have an ongoing 20% off sale. Guess better enjoy that while I can because when the actual exit comes. They are likely to get expensive to buy from with Customs adding Duty and VAT...
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In case nobody has noticed: For everything that Apple sells online, the developer choses a "pricing tier", and Apple then picks all the prices for about 150 different countries. However, the price isn't actually picked per country - it is picked _per currency_. So every country charging in Euros will charge the same number of Euros.
The exception in the EU is the United Kingdom, which is shared in UK pound (which slashdot cannot display properly). But lots of Brits have expressed their strong opinion that they are quite willing to pay more for everything once the UK leaves the EU. Fuck frogface Farage and mini-Trump Boris Johnson.
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However, unless those works are also essential
They are "essential" in the same sense that a college textbook is "essential": a student in a music or film analysis class gets a 0 on his homework unless he buys a copy.
If you live in an area where all grocery stores play background music, music is also "essential" because a fraction of what you pay for food goes toward licensing background music, and food is essential.
The real market price is different in England vs Croatia.
But why is this the case? Why is Croatian labor less valuable than English labor? Does the difference arise from ocean proximity or from proficiency in the language of the economically powerful United States?
Unless a work includes material licensed under terms that require payment of residuals per copy, all the work involved in production, editing, and mastering is a sunk cost that was covered by the work's crowdfunding campaign. The marginal cost of distributing a copy of a work is the cost of transmitting it over the Internet, for which AWS charges 0.09 USD per GB.
i have to click more popups. This is not a terrible idea, nor is it really needed, I doubt it will go much better.
That statement is obviously bullshit. It just forbids them from offering a different service (and price) to customers in formerly different markets. You can still have local sites all you want, you just can't charge double just because someone is in Germany or France for instance.
Croatia is only EU country where iTunes is anavailable.
Also, Amazon or e-bay do not deliver in Croatia, and Abercrombie has 20% off available only in EU exept Croatia.
This is what this is all about. Not some franch guy getting cheaper stuff.
Prices in USA are different in different states due to different VAT same as in EU.
All neto digital prices are same in EU but due to different VAT (in Croatia it is 25%) brutto prices are different.
iOS apps that cost 0.99$ in app store in Croatia cost 1.24$.
How much does it cost in your country?