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Maybe Don't Manually Install Windows 10 Creators Update, Says Microsoft (betanews.com)
Two weeks after Microsoft started rolling out Windows 10 Creators Update, the company has asked the users to avoid manually installing the major update. A report adds: But why? Because the update is causing problems for users. The first phase of the rollout targeted newer devices -- those most likely to be able to run the OS update with the minimum of problems -- and Microsoft is using the feedback from that first batch of updated systems to decide when to begin the next phase of the rollout. "For example, our feedback process identified a Bluetooth accessory connectivity issue with PCs that use a specific series of Broadcom radios," an executive said.
Why can't Microsoft test the trillions of hardware configurations before releasing an OS update?
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Always Broadcom.
not like made it stupid looking and less usable like every other windows update
just completely wiped anything not a stupid windows store app
turned out it was a godmode shortcut
thanks for your time this morning
I have a couple of home computers that I still can't upgrade to "Windows 10 Anniversary Edition" - total bluescreen every time after reboot. I'm not the only one with the problem, either. I fully expect Windows 10 Creators Update to be on a similar level of crap software.
Media Creator ... anyone check the EULA to make sure MS doesn't automatically acquire the copyright?
.. they could had gotten my usage data.
Why can't Microsoft test the trillions of hardware configurations before releasing an OS update?
I'd totally be willing to let them collect SOME data to improve their product assuming they wouldn't pass it on-wards but when they want to log the keyboard and shit (and likely see visited urls, ran programs, get identification data, ..) then no.
Do yourself a favor and enable "Deferred updates".
That way, you won't be in the "open beta test" pool and won't receive feature updates until some time after release.
Security updates will still go through.
- Don't do what I do, it's probably not healthy nor safe. -
instead of adding useless features such as a 3D paint
I can't get it to install on Slackware anyways. Which Linux distribution am I supposed to use to install Windows 10 Creators Update?
I had to do a manual install on my Dell laptop because Windows 10 wouldn't properly install the Anniversary Update. I rather not do that for every update.
"Maybe Don't Manually Install Windows..."
Windows 7 is a better, has more user control, and no ad servers, with less privacy invasion. You can get Windows 7 on Lenovo laptops as well as Fujitsu and Toshiba business laptops. Or if you get a desktop/tower, insist on Windows 7 from your builder (or do it yourself..it's not that hard). You could also get Linux Mint. Free, easy, privacy and no bloatware. Windows 10 not only reduces (nearly eliminates) the ability to stop updates (you can shut the service down I believe in the "Services" screen) windows updates are not reliable, some descriptions are disturbingly vague, and others are strictly to add things of no use to use, but are in the business interests of MS. Of save yourself a lot of pain..try Linux Mint. :D
"Imagination is more important than knowledge" - Einstein
It auto-updated on one of my older machines and it came back with no issues, as I suspect hundreds of thousands or millions of other machines have done.
I'm curious if the manual install is bypassing some checks that the automated is performing, thus the alert.
Well, sure, I can understand the "maybe don't manually upgrade". But then just today, I checked for updates and Microsoft said I was up to date but then shows me a message saying the Creators Update is coming and I can "click here" to get it now. If they don't want me to manually install it, maybe don't give me a link inviting me to manually install it?
We have a few 10 desktops here and every update seems to break something new with our software. That or the update process takes an entire morning sucking ram and thrashing the hard drive. Try running a resource intensive application while this is going on... Maybe when support for 7 ends we will switch to Mac.
Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
I currently have the Windows 10 Creator's Update installed on 5 of the computers at my house and have not experienced any issues what so ever.
3 of them also dual boot the the latest version of Linux Mint.
2 Dells (one is fairly old), 2 Lenovos (one is moderately old), and one I built ASUS motherboard and Intel processor. (practically new).
The very first thing I noticed after booting for the first time: they forgot how to draw boxes.
Something I've run into since - I can't "run as a different user" properly anymore. My company has a rule for admins - you can't work from your admin account, so I've been right-clicking my Microsoft Management Console link and choosing "run as a different user". That quit working - now it says the super user doesn't have access to the management console, but if I actually do login with my admin account - like I'm not supposed - it works fine, just like it did before the update. I can probably figure out some rights changes and work arounds to make it work - but is that what I should be spending my time on?
I've been a Microsoft hater for close to two decades - I've recently softened up on them because Windows 8 and 10 really did introduce a bloat reduction, stability, and performance severely lacking in previous versions, but crap like this and less than ethical data collection and advertising in the system itself are keeping me from embracing it on my personal stuff.
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Welcome to the era of the incompetent bungler.
The first victim was the interface, but now it's apparent that the rot of incompetent bunglers trying to cover for the experienced and competent people who have quit, retired or been driven out has reached the deeper bowels of the system.
People thought proprietary software was immune to this cancer that is slowly turning various FOSS systems into a mess. They blamed the development methodology, and assumed nothing would ever change.
Turns out that it's not the methodology, it's the people. And it turns out that when the universities poop out "programmers" who can barely program, people who haven't got a clue about HCI but knows a bit of marketing gets to do the UI and the whole thing is run by MBA's who cares for nothing but their own bottom line, it all goes to shit. Add a toxic environment were ruthless office politics is more important than the product and presto, we have a loser. In this case an OS which is such a bungle it apparently needs a previous instance of itself to run.
Well done.
I tried updating my Alienware desktop from Anniversary to Creators using the Upgrade assistant and it failed. It kept hanging at the boot screen. After about a dozen reboots it automatically rolled back to previous installation.
At least have an exhaustive list of what they collect and publish where they store the intermediate results locally, so public can keep that in check. Without this FUD starts about keyloggers and web tracking that may or may not be happening in reality.
Instead they choose to dumb stuff down.
To be fair, the primary company that's known for dumbing stuff down is making billions from the people who collectively said "we don't give a fuck, give us our overpriced shinies". (I say overpriced because they're not the largest smartphone maker but still wind up with a good chunk).
We don't matter. Almost nobody really gives a shit about privacy or even understands anything more than "don't have an easily guessed password". They don't want to know and don't care to know it.
Thankfully the EU did something about it, but I can't imagine most other countires (US especially) following suit.
Microsoft is like that special guy in that secure ward. He also thinks he knows the world. Only to be out of touch with everything really.
At least have an exhaustive list of what they collect
You mean something like this and this?
More details at https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2017/04/05/windows-10-privacy-journey-continues-more-transparency-and-controls-for-you.
Disclaimer: I work for Microsoft.
Sadly, I didn't notice at first because the VM booted just fine. But apparently, it nuked the network drivers somewhere along the way. I had to reinstall; I don't know if the reinstall or the upgrade to 12.5 fixed my problem because I didn't have the 12.0 installer sitting around.
I should put something clever here. Maybe someday.
Don't you worry, MS, theres a growing number of us out here in the "real world" who won't EVER install your crap on *our* computers.. Since I gave up the "MS addiction" in 2010, I get endless entertainment from all the new ways MS finds to abuse those who still use MS products..
THANK YOU, Edward Snowden!! Americans owe you a debt of gratitude (whether they know it or not..)
The new development model that everyone is adopting these days causes so many problems. Yes, in the past there may be longer standing bugs but at least they were documented and well known so they could be worked around.
These days you don't know from one week to the next if your formerly working computer will suddenly not be working due to no changes made by you.
You can't use the Feedback Hub app to reports issues unless you fully enable 'diagnostic reporting'. So unless you let MS take whatever they want from your computer, they don't really care about any issues you might have.
10 Uses more memory than 7. If you want better kernel and internals just use 8.1. They are pretty much the same OS otherwise.
install Windows 10.
...that laying off your entire testing department could have negative consequences?
I had to revert the update as it made my computer lock up every 10-15 minutes with only a hard reset as a solution. With the Anniversary update it 'only' happens once in 24 hours, before the anniversary update I didn't have any problems..
was selected for the creators update for some reason in the early roll-outs, i don't know how or why it was. I can say that i haven't been too impressed though, i have gotten several of the "new" frowny-face BSODs when i had never had one prior to the creator update.
Without this FUD starts about keyloggers and web tracking that may or may not be happening in reality.
"Send Microsoft info about how I write to help us improve typing and writing in the future"
(Sure, keyboard vs touch-screen possible.)
May just be for dictionary, but anyway:
"As part of that service, we also collect information from the user dictionary created on your device. This user dictionary stores unique words like names you write, which helps you type and ink more accurately. Both the voice data and the user dictionary are used in the aggregate to help improve our ability to correctly recognize all usersâ(TM) speech."
https://privacy.microsoft.com/...
From the same page:
"If youâ(TM)ve allowed Cortana to do so, Microsoft also collects information about your Calendar and People (also known as contacts) to help personalize your speech experience, and to help Windows and Cortana better recognize people, events, places, and music when you dictate messages or documents. The information Cortana collects will help personalize your speech experience on all your Windows devices and Cortana apps when you sign in with the same Microsoft account."
"Microsoft Edge saves your browsing history, which is made up of info about the websites you visit, on your device. If the Diagnostics and usage setting is set to Full, this browsing history is sent to Microsoft, which helps us find and fix problems and improve our products and services for all users."
https://privacy.microsoft.com/...
With no way to inspect what is being sent, I have no way of knowing if what you claim is true. I'm not even asking for the right to inspect source code, just some way to decrypt and inspect the packets of data being sent.
We _know_ that they are advertising through the OS, therefore they have a powerful incentive to track basically everything everything their OS is used for. We _know_ that other companies with this capability have used it to monetize the most unexpected behaviors (tracking on the web used to be a pipe dream, now basically everybody does it).
As it stands, Microsoft's claims are worthless.
http://discussions.citrix.com/...
you're the betatester for them. They force the updates on you, so they know if it will run for the business line.
who still use windoze lol...
Hey, glad to see that massive QA layoff is working out so well for ya
Right, but this line:
"Send Microsoft info about how I write to help us improve typing and writing in the future" specifically says "send information about how I write", not "send what I write" and while we could speculate on or argue the difference it's irrelevant because it appears next to a checkbox, so just turn it off.
"Send Microsoft info about how I write to help us improve typing and writing in the future" specifically says "send information about how I write", not "send what I write" and while we could speculate on or argue the difference it's irrelevant because it appears next to a checkbox, so just turn it off.
Yeah. I have turned it off.
But then I also don't get an improving dictionary (maybe), Microsoft doesn't get information about issues with my setup (maybe), and so on.
If it compiles... ship it?