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NASA Inspector Says Agency Wasted $80 Million On An Inferior Spacesuit (arstechnica.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: When NASA began developing a rocket and spacecraft to return humans to the Moon a decade ago as part of the Constellation Program, the space agency started to think about the kinds of spacesuits astronauts would need in deep space and on the lunar surface. After this consideration, NASA awarded a $148 million contract to Oceaneering International, Inc. in 2009 to develop and produce such a spacesuit. However, President Obama canceled the Constellation program just a year later, in early 2010. Later that year, senior officials at the Johnson Space Center recommended canceling the Constellation spacesuit contract because the agency had its own engineers working on a new spacesuit and, well, NASA no longer had a clear need for deep-space spacesuits. However, the Houston officials were overruled by agency leaders at NASA's headquarters in Washington, DC. A new report released Wednesday by NASA Inspector General Paul Martin sharply criticizes this decision. "The continuation of this contract did not serve the best interests of the agency's spacesuit technology development efforts," the report states. In fact, the report found that NASA essentially squandered $80.6 million on the Oceaneering contract before it was finally ended last year.
Never do R&D. Let China do it. Steal the results.
MURCA GREAT!
Donald Trump is blowing up $300 million missles in the middle of fucking no where. Spending millions of dollars of tax payer money each weekend he plays golf... and pocketing it.
This is a fucking horseshit article.
I've seen how oceaneering put together my submarine, I wouldn't trust the spacesuit. fortunately leaks on a submarine are livable, leaks in a spacesuit are probably not.
...could have been much worse, like for example wasting money on building a wall or something silly like that.
On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.
... continuing the project, and paying $200 million for a space suit that nobody needs.
Here the NASA looks for a bunch of idiots for obviously wasting $80 million. Lots of people in management positions would have found a way so that nobody can claim it was _obviously_ wasteful, even if it costs more money. So have mercy on them, they could have wasted a lot lot more.
Rational, scientific rebuttals are welcomed...
Nobody here is going to waste their time giving a rational scientific rebuttal to a bunch of wildly irrational and unscientific conspiracy theories. Saying that you don't believe something happened or that you don't believe the numbers because they just don't look right to you isn't the same as providing rational evidence or performing any kind of scientific action.
And you'll see a whole lot more of this kind of thing for the next several years, except they'll be companies specifically pushed by members of the current US regime, and that money will almost always be directly lining their pockets by way of their friends.
I feel like there is some information missing from this claim, particularly, the rationale for which NASA HQ decided to continue the contract. NASA isn't known for making illogical decisions, so it stands to reason that there is a logical explanation that is missing from this article.
Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
So about as much as it costs to keep Melania Trump in Trump Tower for about thirty days, or one-third of the Trump Regime so far.
Rapunzel, let down your hair. Thank you.
AC
Someone in congress got to campaign on a fat contract that they brought back to their constituency! Same reason parts of the space shuttle were manufactured all over the country, even though it's not even close to the most cost-effective strategy.
the inspectors general of the DoD have found billions and billions of dollars of waste, but it will never make it to the slashdot front page, nor the 24 hour news cycle.
mostly because that waste amounts to huge welfare for huge chunks of voters who make money off of the gravy train. contractors, military people, the towns that grow up around bases, and projects, etc etc.
I fucking care. NASA gets less money every year from the US government. I'd prefer they don't waste it on stupid space suits they have no need for.
The question is whether it was obviously wasteful at the time the decision was made to fund the suit development. I don't know the answer to that either way but it's unfair to judge in hindsight if it wasn't clear at the time. R&D isn't some magic results dispenser that money in equals results out. Sometimes we pay a lot of money to learn what doesn't work. That's useful too though admittedly frustrating at times.
I'd prefer NASA be spending their limited budget on more robotic probes, since they have had excellent success with those so far, than some stupid goal of putting more very fragile and relatively useless meatbags in space.
And I feel that NASA should be spending more money putting humans into space and that we get huge value from doing so. Want to know the fun bit? We're both right. The difference is that I think we should be fighting to get more NASA funding and you apparently are meekly accepting the status quo. I want more humans in space AND more robots.
You're drawing a false equivalency. Yes, Trump is wasting a massive amount of tax payer dollars on his useless golf trips. But this money wouldn't go to NASA anyway.
It's not a false equivalency and you seem to have missed the point. And nobody argued that Trumps wasted money was going to go to NASA so that is a strawman. Waste is waste and tax dollars spent are fungible. Trump flying to his resort to play golf and line his own pocket is very obviously wasteful and unnecessary and arguably violates the emoluments clause of the Constitution. A decision to invest in a space suit that in hind sight we didn't need is waste of a different sort but still waste. Though I would argue a FAR more acceptable sort of waste. At least the space suit development was an attempt to do something potentially valuable to the taxpayers even if it didn't work out and we probably learned something useful in the process.
Then it was "0bama! SUCKS"
Now it's "Drumpf!!! SUCKS"
Obama was going to "change Washington". He failed.
Trump is going to "drain the swamp". He's failing.
I think it's pretty clear that the US government is pretty much an out-of-control beast that any President can only influence around the edges.
So $80M over the course of about 6 years is $13.3M/year. Out of an annual budget of $18.4B. That's 0.07% of the annual NASA budget. Okay, so somebody made a bad decision. Reprimand them, do what you have to internally to avoid such decisions in the future, and let's move on. It's not enough that anyone outside of NASA needs to get their undies in a bunch over. If you're looking for government waste to be outraged about I'm sure you can find something orders of magnitude higher than a failed R&D project.
Chelloveck
I give up on debugging. From now on, SIGSEGV is a feature.
This is science and research spending. I don't think it is waste.
Development of a deep-space spacesuit is not a waste of money. It is science spending. It is research.
Sure, we don't need the suit in the short term if congress/Obama canceled the Mars program, but it is good science to develop for the long term and I'm sure the lessons learned will have applications and benefits for commercial applications.
NASA didn't spend the money on an inferior suit. They spent it on an outside contractor's R&D which failed, somehow, to meet or surpass NASA's own in-house R&D.
Now, why is that? Is there some reason that even with MASA and the contractor sharing personnel, somehow NASA's advancements weren't brought to the drawing board?
At any rate, there are a surprising number of people who would consider wasting money on un needed and unused R&D to somehow constitute "purchase" of an object, a large number of them former British subjects.
"Stratigraphically the origin of agriculture and thermonuclear destruction will appear essentially simultaneous" -- Lee
That is supporting your local business in hard times!!!
...compared to that wasted by the DoD every year.
Then it isn't a waste any more. Problem solved. By the time NASA does finally need a deep space suit, it might be a generation more advance than when they last looked at it, but still compatible with most of their stuff.
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It probably took a lot of work to award that program, get it started, and perhaps a lot of good work was happening. Perhaps NASA though that either the Constellation Program might come back under some other name, or that the next political masters might go forward with it etc... They probably hoped that the project might be saved, so they kept the project on a low burn, risk managing the fact that the money might be wasted in the end, in an attempt to salvage the project. When the reviewed the project it probably became clear that it wasn't going to go anywhere, or that at this point the risk of continuing to throw good money at bad and they likely canceled the contract, saving most of the money that would have been spent.
This is one of the major problems any government agency in any democratic country with large multi-year long term projects. Every election could mean the project failure due to political interference in one form or another. I've seen plenty of projects simply canceled because it was started by some other political party. I've also seem projects "cancelled", tweaked a bit, re-named for the political party of the day, and continue on successfully.
This looks like another conservative trope about how the Federal Government wastes money, and somehow the private sector never does.
Arguably the private sector wastes FAR more money than the government does. 90+% of new businesses fail. Even the most successful companies make investments constantly that don't all pan out. The difference is usually that we have a lot less visibility into their failures nor do we have a lot of say over them unless we are investors. We are all "investors" in a sense in the government so we are a lot more sensitive to government waste as a result. But to pretend that the private sector is universally more efficient at everything is just demonstrably absurd. There are some tasks the government is far more efficient at than the private sector and vice-versa. The key is to know which is which and to not conflate the two.
For all spacesuit-related R&D.
Since we are not going to Mars in the forseeable future, ALL spending related to human Mars missions is a waste.
For how many decades have Presidents promised Americans (in a showy speech) that we would go to Mars? Yet, the programs get defunded and forgotten soon afterward. It's all just hot air.
Until we commit FOR REAL to go to Mars, we are just wasting NASA budget that would be better spent on real (unmanned) science programs. Think about it: technology continues to advance, so any design we come up with now for something like a space suit or whatever will be obsolete by the time (assuming it ever happens) in the far off future when we do go to Mars.
In the era of cutting the Federal Govt's budget, there is not enough left over in money or political will for a manned Mars mission.
An ex NSAS guy told me about a level of stupidity that resulted in this.
It turns out that NASA liked Peltier effect devices and the Russians like their compressor based solutions. The Russian solution takes more power but they are confident in how it works. I was told that since the (so called evil) Russians hadn't figured out the superior western way of doing space suits, that technology was to remain top secret.
I expect that much technical documentation is still classified under that same stupid rule.
if you ever had to use any of the their open source code, you're aware that they fucking suck.
They've wasted $80 million on an inferior spacesuit. They should have spent more on spacesuit!
Now where's that pooping spacesuit we've all been waiting for?
No. The difference is. The private sector isn't wasting MY MONEY.
Oh but it is. All the time and in vast quantities. People routinely waste money on crap products all the time from private enterprises. Private enterprise engages in fraud and waste on a scale that would make any government blush. If you need evidence of this see the behavior of the banks in the housing bubble leading up to the crash in 2008. The notion that private enterprise doesn't lie, cheat, steal, or waste your money can only be believed if you are an imbecile or are selling something yourself.
Private enterprise wastes VAST amounts of your money with little to no accountability for most of it. In many cases private enterprise is the least worst option but in many cases government is the least worst option too. Good luck building roads, maintaining first responder services, providing health care for everyone, etc without getting the government involved. Government solves the problems where markets fail and does so far more cost effectively than private enterprise does.
There is a difference between wasting your own money and taking other people's money by gunpoint and wasting it.
Private enterprise doesn't need something as crude as a gun to take your money from you. They convince idiots such as yourself to give it to them willingly, sometimes even when you know you are being cheated. And the meme that taxation = theft is tired, false, and stupid. If you really believe that then move to one of the locations where they do not tax you. Quite a few exist though they aren't pleasant places to live. But you don't get to take your roads, police, health care, utilities, fire department, military, etc with you. You get to fund those all yourself with "your money".
Seriously, get over the notion that you don't depend on other people and that you have no shared responsibility to society.