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EPA Website Removes Climate Science Site From Public View After Two Decades (washingtonpost.com)
Last week there were reports that the EPA climate change website was set to be taken down, though later the EPA denied that. On Friday evening, however, the Environmental Protection Agency announced its website would be "undergoing changes" to better represent the new direction the agency is taking, triggering the removal of several agency websites containing detailed climate data and scientific information (paywalled; alternative source). From a report on The Washington Post: One of the websites that appeared to be gone had been cited to challenge statements made by the EPA's new administrator, Scott Pruitt. Another provided detailed information on the previous administration's Clean Power Plan, including fact sheets about greenhouse gas emissions on the state and local levels and how different demographic groups were affected by such emissions. The changes came less than 24 hours before thousands of protesters were set to march in Washington and around the country in support of political action to push back against the Trump administration's rollbacks of former president Barack Obama's climate policies.
Aaaaaand the site is going down. Which is the new direction the agency is taking.
Amen, Al Gore, Rest In Peace.
Did Facebook block the EPA's, so-called, fact sheets for disinformation?
Would they?
Or are we all suddenly gung ho for government propaganda now?
Trump is the Antichrist and worships Satan!
Unless the swings we are seeing in the cycle of El Niño and La Niña are not really occurring Dear Donald is about to be the president who will be in office at the start of the greatest climate caused disaster in recorded history. The past 10 years have seen unprecedented drought on the the West Coast now we are about to see a cyclical change that could very well make a huge portion of the Gulf coast and the Redneck Riviera uninhabitable. There are area of the low lying Gulf coast that could easily be flooded multiple time by hurricane storm surges.
Watch out we are in for a kick in the ass from mother nature and the financial and human cost could make the dust bowl of dirty thirties look like good times. But then again I am sure somehow Obama and Hillary will be blamed for what is about to occur. Removing science from the equation and allowing politics to dictate what information is available is par for the course for that jackass and bunch of morons left of the Republican "blow you Jack, I'm alright" assholes currently running the show. If Lincoln was a dictator then what these assholes are about is far worse, at least real Republicans do not endorse or engage in scientific censorship and in so doing marginalize sectors of the populace.
The US is at best 2 pay periods away from complete anarchy and if an area as full of rednecks as the Gulf coast suddenly becomes a disaster caused everyman for himself war zone no one will not be able to stop the ensuing chaos.
Libtards thought EPA is for science. They though it is about truth. But, sadly, it's just a political instrument: "The website of the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, EPA.gov, is getting a makeover to reflect the views of President Donald Trump and EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt, the agency said on Friday."
Pathetic. Close the EPA now. Not based on science.
After years of spreading bullshit it is about time to shut it down.
Global warming is not a problem. Global cooling however, will wipe mankind off the face of the earth with no trace left in the geological record.
EPA was putting out misleading data showing rising CO2 levels. CO2 is falling, if the trend continues we'll have a shortage of CO2. EPA was claiming global warming was linked to the rise of CO2, but the earth is cooling. EPA was saying the CO2 rise can't be natural alone, man contributes to it, but its totally natural because humans are Gods creations so any change is all natural.
Trump is merely fixing the problem caused by so called 'climate science' from so called 'scientists', none of which went to Trump U, all of which are really part of Crooked Clintons conspiracy to make the Donald look bad.
The Trumper has flip flopped and lied about everything which has come out of his mouth so this shouldn't surprise anyone. Here's what he said only a week ago:
"Rigorous science is critical to my administration's efforts to achieve the twin goals of economic growth and environmental protection."
"My administration is committed to advancing scientific research that leads to a better understanding of our environment and of environmental risks," Trump said. "As we do so, we should remember that rigorous science depends not on ideology, but on a spirit of honest inquiry and robust debate.
What better way to advance scientific research and allow for honest inquiry and robust debate than to wipe from the record, the very research one claims to support.
P.S. He had no problem claiming climate change as the reason he needed to build a sea wall around his Irish golf course:
"If the predictions of an increase in sea level rise as a result of global warming prove correct, however, it is likely that there will be a corresponding increase in coastal erosion rates not just in Doughmore Bay but around much of the coastline of Ireland. In our view, it could reasonably be expected that the rate of sea level rise might become twice of that presently occurring. ... As a result, we would expect the rate of dune recession to increase."
A list of people directed to disclose the datasets they have been refusing FOIA on under the Obama administration. If they refuse, it's insubordination and out (taking the usual 14 months for govt employees...)
Would a kind American please make the freedom if information request for this data, so it can be mirrored and hosted for the global scietific community? If we aren't going to have more data, let's at least preserve what is available now.
We need no pseudo-scientific government propaganda.
Those pesky liberals *want* you to think CO2 is rising, they *want* you to believe the earth if getting hotter, they even dare to suggest it's man-made!
But this is all a theory. Respect my alternative facts!
Fact, it's getting colder, due to the lack of CO2 caused by too many trees eating all our CO2!
There's more ice than ever before! Look at all that ice off Newfoundland, more icebergs than ever before! How is that possible if it isn't colder? Fact!
President elected by biggest majority ever, Donald J Trump, will make America great again!
we're lucky this got announced early, so there have been efforts to save this data:
Github repo
list of mirrors
another one
more
even more
The dinosaurs are doing fine and dandy, they just downsized, Permian-Triassic extinction event never happened. Do a search on Breitbart for "Permian-Triassic extinction event" and you won't find any coverage of it because IT DIDN'T HAPPEN!
Facts people!
CO2 is crashing dangerously low (if you take out that tiny increase since the industrial revolution which is just noise, FACT!).
Any claimed increase is personally due to the Donald , saving us from depleted CO2 reserves! FACT!
Personally I am not convinced either way because the climate data has become so political. You have people who were all in and suddenly come out saying its all a ruse and data has been cooked to fit the political agenda. That's not science when even believers begin to doubt the data. The problem is that political agendas don't follow data, they follow what they fabricate as the truth. What we need is more science and less trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.
While increasing CO2 in the environment is a concern, addressing it with regulations is utterly futile; if the fix isn’t economical, the developing world will ignore it. Coal use there is growing rapidly, and continues to be the preferred source, because it provides low cost reliable energy. It may not be clean, but the benefits of access to energy far outweigh the costs, even for coal. To the people without, potential climate change will never be taken seriously.
Many people seem to have forgotten, but pre-industrial societies have always used “renewable” energy, and even the modern variants rely heavily on burning trees. The sun and wind may be “free”, but harvesting them requires stupendous amounts of land and resources, and is not remotely friendly to the environment. To limit impact, development should focus on sources with greater energy density, that can be located near demand, and that don't require coordination on a continental scale. Molten salt reactors are amenable to mass manufacture, and could deliver energy cheaper than from coal, providing an environmentally friendly solution that will be embraced on economics alone.
The EPA could encourage nuclear, by revising radiation regulations to be based on science and evidence, and applied uniformly. Present regulations are based on a lie, and except much larger (yet still harmless) sources of "natural" radiation, such as geothermal and fossil fuels. Regardless, the EPA should stick to regulating pollutants, and stop making exceptions.
Meh.
What you or I believe is irrelevent. The facts are the facts and nature will take its course regardless of what anyone believes.
The folks who have the expertise in climate science have the data and every one of THEIR predictions have com true. See, climate scientists discovered the link between fossil fuel burning and increasing temps back in the 1980s. Aside from tweets to rates, their predictions are spot on.
But, the fossil fuel industry - mostly coal - terrified of losing business, lobbied and ran advertisements and had pundits distribute misinformation to confuse the public.
And we have "skeptic's" - folks who know nothing about the issue other than the nonsense they see on TV or read on some website written by a pundit - global warming creates a LOT of web traffic ($$$$).
Considering that half the people in the USA think there is even doubt has shown how effective the fossil fuel industry's propaganda is.
The fossil fuel industry has won.
The climate change scientists couldn't solve it after decades of "proof"
They want to terraform the moon and Mars but can't fix Earth?
What a bunch of hooey!
It was all a money grab.
So he did nothing?
Stopped chemical weapons being used in Syria
Increased S&P 500 by 5% (Real money gained by middle class)
Unemployment claims at a 17 year low
Illegal immigration drop by 75-90% depending on your source
Supreme court nomination everyone agrees is good
Thats quite a bit for 3 months. If you still claim he did nothing, then you are convincing me that a rock sitting in the Oval Office is that much more effective and helpful to the US than Obama was? I'm convinced!
After all, who needs data when you have ideology?
I stole this Sig
They are not arguing about whether climate change is real or not or what we should do about it. They're trying to bury the facts so we can't make an educated decision about it. These people are behaving like enemies as they execute a major money and power grab. They are not advocates and the voters are too blinded by rage to figure this all out.
The level of downvoting in this thread is outragous!
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First thing, messing with EPA in this way is extremely wrong. Climate data is not a liberal conspiracy.
Secondly, something that I find interesting is the frequent lack of personal responsibility. E.g., light truck sales (including SUVs) are at a high. http://online.wsj.com/mdc/public/page/2_3022-autosales.html . Yes, there are the few that actually need large vehicles, but they are few and far between. For those rare occasions, one can rent a large vehicle very economically.
Also, how many businesses try to minimize waste? E.g., Slashdot is full of IT professionals that could advocate for sane IT power usage policies (like most workstations can go to sleep after 30 minutes of inactivity). Another kicker to me is why does the public stand freezing AC temperatures in restaurants, stores, and their workplace?
The point is that there there is much personally and locally that can be done. It does not excuse our federal government from showing leadership. While there are many reasonably responsible people, there are many ways that one can personally reduce consumption and waste. Many (like improving household insulation in older houses) actually save money too.
People tend to be herd animals and frequently want to do the right thing--particularly if it saves money or is not difficult; it does not take everyone to do something for many more to think, consider, and hopefully do.
Hey, maybe we can have a day that is dedicated to open dialogue in science and not try to divert it to one side or the other? Wouldn't that be cool if that could actually happen? OH LOOK! A LBGT person not getting 100% of everyone's attention! Lets go worry about that now!
Sometimes you're not paranoid, they really are fscking with you(r data). Slashdot, 12 Dec 2016, Scientists Scramble To Protect Research On Climate Change
Luke, help me take this mask off
Thermometers are just tools of libtard propaganda. I mean, how can I possibly have a so-called "fever" if my feet are cold? Where are the peer-reviewed scientific papers that show thermometers aren't a hoax? And I don't mean in libtard fake "scientific" journals like Nature, but in legitimate journals like this one:
http://www.coresci.org/jcts/
Trump needs to outlaw thermometers, is what.
You are welcome on my lawn.
Climate data is not a liberal conspiracy.
But that's not what was removed.
What was removed was unverified and "adjusted" climate/weather data.
Those are not the same things.
The reliability and accuracy of climate data on the EPA website is somewhere just below that of the reliability and accuracy of the economic losses claimed by the movie studios and recording labels due to copyright infringement.
Just make a new Website and explain why you had to do it. (For truthful information.). It won't stop the denier’s from being idiotic. But you will have the facts handy.
The specific heat of the earth atmosphere is 1.0. The specific heat of CO2 is 0.8. CO2 absorbs heat faster than atmospheric air, but also releases it faster. This would suggest, via science, that CO2 is not the problem.
of when the left took over at EPA and started converting Richard Nixon's little anti-pollution agency into a Frankenstein's Monster federal agency using CO2 as an excuse for regulating every aspect of human existsence and using constant tax-funded hyperbolic "the sky is falling" rhetoric to propagandize the masses.
I used to be in favor of obliterating the EPA on the grounds that the agency had become more toxic and hazardous to the citizens and taxpayers than the substances it was created to regulate. At this point, I sadly see it as an achievment that a politician has simply succeeded in slapping the grabby clutchy fascist hands of the EPA thugs away from carbon dioxide, and I'd just be happy to see them get back to worrying about industrial quantities of arsenic.
Government should not be a ratchet wrench where leftists get to distort and mangle everything to the left, but then it's an unacceptable thing for a very slightly possibly mildly right-leaning business guy to come along and push back one tiny teensy smidgen. CO2 is simply NOT a toxic pollutant, it's NOT the job of the EPA to regulate it, its NOT acceptable for the EPA to use it and imagined possible future worst-case scenarios to try to get the power to dicatate every detail of life, no matter how much a part of the population is successfully propagandized into it.
It's a damned WEB SITE, for Pete's sake! You people on the political left seem to have no sense of proportion, scope, scale, etc. The world was properly revolving on its axis and orbiting the sun before those damned propaganda pages went up at EPA and the the world will carry on without those pages. Perhaps the EPA can spend a little less time on propaganda web pages and more time doing things like NOT polluting an actual river in the REAL WORLD and quite contrary to its ACTUAL mission. Obama turned nearly every government agency into a mini-Ministry-of-Truth that was pushing the leftwing golden ticket that justifies all big government fascist policies: AGW. Anybody even remotely involved in any of that ought to be fired.
"Messing with the EPA" is just not good enough.
Actual raw climate data is indeed not a conspiracy, but adjusted and tweaked data, and the secretly planned rigging of scientific the peer review process (as exposed in the "climategate" emails) certainly is. The far left realized decades ago that they could justify every jackbooted fantasy they had for the control of the minds and bodies of the masses if they could justify their actions as "saving the planet". The complete destruction of science was a small price to pay for the total control of mankind they desire.
So what if the scientific method had to be discarded?
So what if the processes of hiring professors, the processes of peer review and of academic paper publishing had to be corrupted?
POWER was at stake!
Just as the DNC practiced self-immolation last year by discarding all internal impartiality and favoring Hillary over Bernie (or any other candidate) because electing Hillary was TOO IMPORTANT, the left has discarded all scientific standards (and in doing do, legitimacy) on the altar climate change because the rewards (having a justification for EVERY regulation of EVERY aspect of life) are just too important.
If the planet is at stake, then government can tell people what to eat, what to drink, where to live, where to work, what careers are "good", what temperature their homes and workplaces may be, what methods of transport they can have and use, EVERYTHING is a legitimate target of government control - and that reward is just too enticing to progressives.
Without the justification of "the world will end unless...", people are free and government demands for ever increasing power and authority over the individual are met with skepticism.
NOBODY is more "anti-science" than a leftist who trashes the very methods of science in order to transform science from a search for truth into a dishonest justification for political actions.
Trumps white house will soon announce a new science initiative, called "NewScience". it will fundamentally simplify and reorganize scientific thinking, using new language. it will gradually replace "OldScience", so that is why they are taking down all the OldScience information. i have an advance copy of their "NewScience Dictionary". the terms "climate change", "evolution", "ecology", "pollution", "malthusian", "overpopulation", "gene transfer", "antibiotic resistance", and "perennial agriculture" have been replaced by a single term, "CrimeScience". Additionally, a new set of rules in mathematics will allow for 2+2=5 to sometimes be true.
Now comes the harder task of rebuilding the public's trust in science.
... so why is access being taken away? Report the results and let the peer review process vet the information. A political choice to filter information is wholly undesirable in a democracy.