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Microsoft's Surface Laptop With Windows 10 S Leaks Ahead of New York Unveil (hothardware.com)

MojoKid writes: Microsoft is holding an event in New York City tomorrow, the core theme of which is "Microsoft in Education." It's widely expected that the company will be unveiling a new Surface Laptop device running a Windows 10 Cloud version OS. As it turns out, images of a new Surface laptop leaked to the web tonight portray very much that type of product, though it's not necessarily a budget machine. For starters, it has a 13.5-inch PixelSense display with 3.4 million pixels, which appears to retain the 3:2 screen ratio that we've seen with previous Surface-branded products. Given that this is a laptop, there's no detachable keyboard here. The display is permanently attached to the base and features an Alcantara-covered keyboard deck (the same material used on the Surface Pro 4's optional Signature Type Cover). It also appears the Surface Laptop will be available in four colors: Platinum, Burgundy, Cobalt Blue and Graphite Gold. Other images of the machine show an SD slot, a single USB 3.0 port, mini DisplayPort and a headphone jack. Microsoft apparently hasn't equipped the machine with a USB-C port, unfortunately.

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  1. About time! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    This bold assault on Apple's education market dominance will enable Microsoft to eventually control the mindshare of the crucial under 18 demographic. As the new blood matures and enters the workforce, Microsoft products like Windows and their many cloud-based services ll be uniquely situated to serve the next generation of technology professionals.

    Wall Street will certainly reward this with higher share prices, and C-level execs will earn their well-deserved wealth. Kudos to Microsoft!

    1. Re:About time! by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Even the under 18 crowd knows instinctively that the new kid in school is not cool and should not be invited to parties.

  2. Sounds like either USB-C is dead in the water... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... or Microsoft's hardware group is.

    Which is it?

  3. And we can guess what the S stands for by DrXym · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Windows 10 Cloud is basically a rebranded Windows RT. It is stripped of the capacity of running normal Windows applications, being only able to run UWP ones and is therefore worse than fucking useless.

    I wonder if there is an argument to port Wine to UWP so it can revert some of the brain damage for people stuck with one of these devices.

    1. Re:And we can guess what the S stands for by thegarbz · · Score: 3, Interesting

      being only able to run UWP ones and is therefore worse than fucking useless.

      Yes and no. Windows RT suffered from being ARM and having no developers or software. The world has changed a lot since that abortion of an experiment with many people quite happy to work on online only programs reverting to the occasional app to do work.

      I had a think about this recently, with Office 365 a thing now I couldn't come up with a single reason why a heavily locked down machine like this or a Chromebook couldn't be a primary work machine. There's just not that much most people actually do with their computers beyond consuming media, firing up word, or spending the entire day in a web browser.

    2. Re:And we can guess what the S stands for by squiggleslash · · Score: 3, Interesting

      RT/Cloud/S is designed to compete with ChromeOS, not Ubuntu. ChromeOS is extremely popular in the target market, so actually this version of Windows stands a much higher chance of success than RT did in the generic consumer market.

      What I'd be interested to know is if this is effectively "RT Pro"/"RT Enterprise", and if so how they've implemented it. We only saw "RT Home". If you're wondering what ol' squiggleslash is blathering about (and how a stripped down Windows could get a "Pro" label), the main difference between Windows Home and Windows Pro is that the latter is possible to manage using Active Directory.

      This is VERY important in the target market. Chromebooks are selling not just because they're locked down, but because an admin can easily centrally create and manage user accounts, and users can log into any Chromebook and have access to the right features.

      Windows S needs that central management. But also, that central management needs to be much easier to use than Active Directory, whose user interface has always been powerful but unbelievably opaque and clumsy.

      If they don't produce AD S to go with Windows S, they haven't got the right product.

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    3. Re: And we can guess what the S stands for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good luck on that port, UWP is beyond garbage to code for, you'd be better off making a javascript windows emulator for it, save for the fact you can't even hook into a browser with UWP.

    4. Re:And we can guess what the S stands for by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      RT/Cloud/S is designed to compete with ChromeOS, not Ubuntu.

      You can install arbitrary software on a Chromebook.

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    5. Re:And we can guess what the S stands for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I installed Photoshop on my Chromebook. Works great!

    6. Re:And we can guess what the S stands for by drinkypoo · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I installed Photoshop on my Chromebook. Works great!

      If you insist on being obtuse, you're going to have to hide behind anonymity forever.

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    7. Re:And we can guess what the S stands for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But most Chromebook users don't, and certainly didn't buy them for that functionality.

    8. Re:And we can guess what the S stands for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What? What did you call me?
      Son, you're forgetting yourself.

    9. Re:And we can guess what the S stands for by drinkypoo · · Score: 0

      Son, you're forgetting yourself.

      I know precisely who and where I am. Can you remember?

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    10. Re:And we can guess what the S stands for by Lumpy · · Score: 2

      Huh? chromebooks are insanely powerful here because they are absolutely virus proof. not even the executives can bork these things. The other aspect is the all the time connectivity via LTE and the google cloud sync of all data. Fred in sales lost another "laptop"? hand him another one, charge his paycheck $350 and he is back running as if nothing happened in less than 10 minutes.

      Locking it down is the bottom 10% of the desired feature set.

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    11. Re:And we can guess what the S stands for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you wanna indulge in this fantasy, that's your business. Don't make it mine. This meeting is over.

    12. Re:And we can guess what the S stands for by squiggleslash · · Score: 2

      You can put it into developer's mode and then yeah, you can do that. As of now we don't know if Windows S will have the same kind of function. But it doesn't really matter: the point is ChromeOS is intended to be used in its locked down state, and the same is true of Windows S. And both support the ability to run both web applications and semi-native apps (NaCl vs Metro/whateveritscalledtoday) that are sandboxed.

      Schools buy Chromebooks because they're locked down by default, because it's easy to tell if they're not (and easy to reset them if they're not) and because they work with easily maintainable centrally maintained accounts.

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    13. Re:And we can guess what the S stands for by squiggleslash · · Score: 2

      "Locking it down" is why they're absolutely virus proof. If Windows S can only run Metro apps and web apps, both of which are sandboxed, I'd expect it to be comparable. You're limited to exploits based upon bugs in the web browser and sandboxing environment, and the chances of those existing are more or less equal (OK, Microsoft has been incompetent in the past, but...) for both platforms.

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    14. Re: And we can guess what the S stands for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could have made you "there's not much more than..." argument in 1985, 1990, 1995, 2000, 2005, and 2010. In each case you'd have been correct at the time, and wrong five years later. These locked down solutions are never the answer.

    15. Re:And we can guess what the S stands for by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

      Chromebooks are selling not just because they're locked down, but because an admin can easily centrally create and manage user accounts, and users can log into any Chromebook and have access to the right features.

      Chromebooks are also wildly cheap. I have a bottom of the line Acer Chromebook that I bought for the luLz when they came out. ~ 4-5 years. It's still going strong, and it's still fast for what it is.

      I have my good stuff at home, and use this out at breakfast and on travel because I don't have to worry about it.

      Wonder what the price point is on the Surface product? Better be damn low to compete with the Chromebooks. And it better be damned reliable as well. Microsoft's track record in that area is definitely not up to the Chrome level.

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    16. Re:And we can guess what the S stands for by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

      RT/Cloud/S is designed to compete with ChromeOS, not Ubuntu.

      You can install arbitrary software on a Chromebook.

      A chromebook with Linux on it sings pretty darn well. Nothing like a whole boot sequence in 6 seconds. The other software runs nicely as well.

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    17. Re:And we can guess what the S stands for by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      We are doing this at work with Windows 7 and a plethora of management tools.

      - Redirect My Documents and Favorites to remote drive? Check.

      - Pre- login VPN signon to reconnect remote drives? Check.

      - Roaming profiles and virtually instant recovery on a new machine? Check.

      - Data loss prevention at multiple levels? Check. (Does Chrome OS offer this, such as disabling all removable storage, preventing specific data from transmission, and file-level encryption in addition to drive-level encryption?)

      Not perfect, but we have 80% of Chrome OS advantages in a familiar environment. And data security independent of user passwords.

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    18. Re:And we can guess what the S stands for by jabuzz · · Score: 1

      The problem with the Surface RT was not that it was ARM, but that Microsoft crippled the Office install. No Exchange connectivity at the start, and you can't use it for business use. The hardware was good, they just fumbled the software.

    19. Re:And we can guess what the S stands for by DrXym · · Score: 1
      I don't see that at all. I think it's designed to make UWP / Windows store popular by preventing people from not using it, and to promote Microsoft's cloud based services, by removing any competition. It's a wedge in other words.

      Full blown Windows 10 already runs in the spec of Windows 10 S devices. There are literally $150 laptops out there running Windows 10 32-bit from devices with 2GB RAM and 32GB storage.

    20. Re: And we can guess what the S stands for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you can't even hook into a browser with UWP

      I'm not sure what you mean by "hook into a browser", but you most certainly can interact with a browser if you want. It's literally one line of code to launch a browser with a given URI. (C# shown)
      bool success = await Windows.System.Launcher.LaunchUriAsync(new Uri("http://example.com"));

      Beyond simply calling for some other program to start and passing it what is essentially a command line value, you probably shouldn't be "hooking into" anything.

    21. Re:And we can guess what the S stands for by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      This is another cry for help from Microsoft. That cry is "Please, please, please use our store!"

    22. Re:And we can guess what the S stands for by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      The problem wasn't so much that it was ARM, but that it was restricted to only store apps (almost all of which at the time didn't care what the processor was). Windows 10 S is the same, you can only use the lame ass store apps. The sole purpose of locking customers into this is that Microsoft gets a piece of each purpose plus advertising revenue. Even Apple, who is clearly being copied here, does not mandate the use of their store for their computers.

    23. Re:And we can guess what the S stands for by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Microsoft went into a closed room, cut off all outside communication, then developed a new strategy. And thus unburdened by any insight into what customers really wanted or needed the result was a flop.

    24. Re:And we can guess what the S stands for by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      But Microsoft doesn't want that, what they want is a percentage of profits from every application sold.

  4. Re:Sounds like either USB-C is dead in the water.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'd hazard a guess it's more an issue that Type-C isn't anywhere near as common as Type-A yet when it comes to peripherals. This thing only has a single USB port (seriously?), and a single Type-A is going to be far more useful than a single Type-C. I have a laptop with A's and a C, but honestly haven't found a reason to buy a Type-C device bearing in mind I'd not be able to use a C device with my desktop machine without some sort of additional adapter.

    Obviously the best solution would be one (preferably more than one) of each, but Microsoft apparently thinks a single port is sufficient.

  5. Isn't that by design? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    From the title:

    > "Microsoft's Surface Laptop With Windows 10 S Leaks"

    Isn't that a feature of Windows 10 anyway? Or perhaps the surprise here is that one Microsoft product is working as intended?

    1. Re: Isn't that by design? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes and yes

  6. Screen resolution? by itsme1234 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    3.4 Mpixel with 3:2 is something like 1500x2250. Remains to be seen (no pun intended).

    As for only Universal Apps (BTW called just "Windows Apps" last time I checked, but I might be wrong as they are changing them periodically, remember Metro apps, W8-style, Modern Style, etc. ?) they (or were rumors?) said desktop apps could be installed, just that not "enabled" by default. It does look to be the normal Wintel ultrabook (of which we do have plenty).

    It all depends on pricing and what's the quality overall, the screen, the keyboard (again the CLOTH keyboard?!) and so on.

    1. Re:Screen resolution? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's cloth so you grease it up and have to buy another one, DUH.

    2. Re:Screen resolution? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      anyone knows how to clean semen stains from the cloth keyboard?.

    3. Re:Screen resolution? by dohzer · · Score: 3, Funny

      I was about to ask for someone to convert the number of pixels to a usable quantity like Libraries of Congress, but I guess resolution will suffice.

    4. Re:Screen resolution? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't fret. Nipples always blurred.

    5. Re:Screen resolution? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      said desktop apps could be installed, just that not "enabled" by default

      That is certainly true in the current insider builds, but that may have no relevance what so ever for the final copy.

    6. Re: Screen resolution? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      UWP is neither Universal, nor Windows, nor a Platform. Discuss amongst yourselves.

  7. It's got to meet or beat Chromebook price by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most educational purchases these days are strictly about price point these days. When Los Angeles school district dumped iPads after only two years it was obvious that the iPad was too fragile too expensive and developed too many legs that walked away. Chromebooks are durable, cheap, and provide basic web access with a well design management system. This new Surface would at lest have to meet these requirements to compete. Mac's are basically dead in all but the affluent school districts. Personally, if schools were smart they would implement using refurbished laptops that provide a value for districts and for the most part students don't need a current model PC's to handle educational material.

  8. Re: Sounds like either USB-C is dead in the water. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But type c is so fucking cool.

  9. Leaked by 110010001000 · · Score: 0

    Leaked by the MS marketing department. Give it up MS. No one is buying your Surfaces.

    1. Re:Leaked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the surface is leaky then people will fall over and microsoft will go bankrupt from lawsuits.

    2. Re:Leaked by dave420 · · Score: 0

      Surfaces are selling well.

    3. Re:Leaked by 110010001000 · · Score: 0

      Sure they are. Sure they are.

  10. spying garbage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's microsoft's innovative take on chromebook... Does that mean that it reports mouse movements to a remote server with sub-pixel precision? Who cares how many megapixels it has, when it cannot be owned by anyone other them MS and their US-ian overlords. Screw that.

  11. Linux by stooo · · Score: 1

    Does it already run Linux ?

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    1. Re: Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, Microsoft has "Embraced" Linux, and has plans to "Extend" it further before they move on to the next phase.

  12. Leaks? What leaks? by bogaboga · · Score: 1

    images of a new Surface laptop leaked to the web tonight portray

    How exactly do all these "products-to-be" leak? They always "leak." What leaks exactly?

    I have come to the conclusion that it's all part of an orchestrated campaign, for lack of a better way to explain it.

    1. Re:Leaks? What leaks? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I dunno... One time Windows 8 leaked all over my computer, and I had to reformat the disk and install Debian.

  13. Maybe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It could happen. But Microsoft better deal with the leaking issue. Some kid is gonna slip and fall on whatever is leaking out of those laptops! And the parents are gonna sue!!

  14. Burgundy? by Nidi62 · · Score: 0

    Please tell me the laptop ships in a leather bound box and smells of rich mahogany.

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  15. Wooo.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And the crowd goes mild!

  16. No courage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They have a headphone socket - cowards.

  17. type c isnt popular because stupid manufacturers by gl4ss · · Score: 1, Insightful

    type c isnt popular because stupid manufacturers who only seem to put it on expensive slim machines and lose a currently more useful port for it.

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  18. Re:Sounds like either USB-C is dead in the water.. by Megane · · Score: 1

    Clearly, Microsoft just doesn't have enough courage.

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  19. It runs APPY apps! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Modern app appers know that only apps can app apps, and Appdows 10 Cloud only runs the appiest app apps, NOT LUDDITE software!

    Apps!

  20. Linux? by vegabook · · Score: 1

    Any chance Linux will work on this thing? Looks like a sweet terminal.

    1. Re:Linux? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Looks like it has function keys unlike the chromebook.

  21. Re:Sounds like either USB-C is dead in the water.. by calken1979 · · Score: 1

    I remember them saying the same with Type A over PS/2 - no need to have USB, PS/2 is fine.

  22. Leaks what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sewage? Battery acid? All your personal information?

    I'm guessing all three.

  23. Re:Sounds like either USB-C is dead in the water.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The only USB-C device I own is a Lumia 950XL.

    Clearly Microsoft has the courage to do such things.

    I'm betting this is more about BoM cost for a low-end device.

  24. Re:Sounds like either USB-C is dead in the water.. by fred6666 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Most early adopters of the USB-C port will replace their PC before connecting a single USB-C device. And no, dongles don't count.
    This is especially true for iPhone owners since phones are by far the most common USB-C devices.

    It was also true that at the beginning of USB, there was no reason to rush into buying a PC without PS/2 ports. They worked just fine for keyboard and mouse. There was no real advantage in having 4 USB ports over 2 USB and 2 PS/2.

  25. If I'm reading this correctly... by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 3, Funny

    As it is a laptop - not only is there no detachable keyboard, but also the display is permanently attached to the base.

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    1. Re:If I'm reading this correctly... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about your penis?
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    2. Re:If I'm reading this correctly... by erapert · · Score: 1

      It also counts as a laptop since it's permanently attached to your mother's base.

  26. Needs to be cracked to run real Apps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Aka Firefox, DRM free media players,and other real Win32 applications. Just get a laptop with Windows 7 or Linux instead.

  27. Re:Sounds like either USB-C is dead in the water.. by rickb928 · · Score: 1

    This looks a little like a technology demonstrator. Look for a Surface Book 2 incorporating some of the design stuff inside this to come out.

    I love my Surface Pro 3, and just want a swype-like keyboard to make it perfect. That's all ):

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  28. Re:Obligatory:Intel CPU Backdoor Report (May 1 201 by rickb928 · · Score: 1

    Yeah, this is disturbing. It's as if Intel was asked to leave this alone so long as there was no civilian exploit found.

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  30. Re:Sounds like either USB-C is dead in the water.. by fred6666 · · Score: 1

    Yes and it was a good thing to replace PS/2. There was just no rush to change. Ports were color coded (green and purple) so it was easy to plug the keyboard in the correct port. A smooth transition over a few years is the best thing to do when replacing ports.

  31. Who'd buy an expensive laptop to run Windows 10 S? by iampiti · · Score: 1

    n/t

  32. Will the Type Cover material hold up? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe it's just me, but those Type Covers don't seem like they're made of the kind of material you'd want on a school computer.

  33. Re:Who'd buy an expensive laptop to run Windows 10 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who'd buy an expensive laptop? These days all you need is the latest apperating system!