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Samsung May Overtake Intel As World's Largest Chip Maker In 2017 (pcmag.com)

According to U.S. semiconductor market research firm IC Insights, Samsung is likely to overtake Intel as the world's largest chip maker later this year. Bill McClean, president of IC Insights, explained that "If money market prices continue to hold or increase through the second quarter and the balance of this year, Samsung could charge into the top spot and displace Intel." PC Magazine reports: Intel first became the world's largest chipmaker back in 1993 and has held the title ever since. But as the mobile market has exploded, so did the need for the chips that make them work. Unlike on PC where Intel dominates, mobile is a different matter entirely, and Samsung is on hand to provide the DRAM and NAND chips they require. Intel first became the world's largest chipmaker back in 1993 and has held the title ever since. But as the mobile market has exploded, so did the need for the chips that make them work. Unlike on PC where Intel dominates, mobile is a different matter entirely, and Samsung is on hand to provide the DRAM and NAND chips they require.

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  1. Proof-reading? by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Or is it just repeating the same phrases twice to pad out a submission?

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    1. Re:Proof-reading? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They were trying to get the post submitted before a new Korean War rendered the news obsolete ;)

    2. Re:Proof-reading? by ch0knuti · · Score: 3, Funny

      No it's just a multithreaded post.

    3. Re:Proof-reading? by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      The story explains exactly why America needs this war right now.

      We had Opium Wars, it is about time we held the First Microchip War.

    4. Re:Proof-reading? by wtfbill · · Score: 1

      Not at all!! The submitter works in the Department of Redundancy Department!!

    5. Re:Proof-reading? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Its was edited to remove the name "Motorola". Orwell... "who controls the present controls the past"

    6. Re:Proof-reading? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      double double paste paste error error https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor

    7. Re: Proof-reading? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or is it just repeating the same phrases twice to pad out a submission?

    8. Re:Proof-reading? by sabbede · · Score: 1

      Repeating the same phrases twice to pad out a submission? I don't know about that, but I hear Samsung is on hand to produce the DRAM and NAND chips they require.

    9. Re:Proof-reading? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This takes me back to the days of essay-writing where we need to find a bunch of useless, padding, and fluff words to increase, grow, and expand the number of words in order to it to that required and mandatory of, say, one thousand words. Copy and pasting is easily caught, noticed and discovered, and the teacher can ridicule, deride, and scorn you in front of the entire class.

  2. A dupe within the same story by fustakrakich · · Score: 5, Funny

    Intel first became the world's largest chipmaker back in 1993 and has held the title ever since. But as the mobile market has exploded, so did the need for the chips that make them work. Unlike on PC where Intel dominates, mobile is a different matter entirely, and Samsung is on hand to provide the DRAM and NAND chips they require.

    Intel first became the world's largest chipmaker back in 1993 and has held the title ever since. But as the mobile market has exploded, so did the need for the chips that make them work. Unlike on PC where Intel dominates, mobile is a different matter entirely, and Samsung is on hand to provide the DRAM and NAND chips they require.

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  3. Somebody post this, I cant- its lit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    Up for auction is the one and only official OpenBSD 6.1 CD

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    1. Re:Somebody post this, I cant- its lit! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      Wow, -1. Slashdot used to be computer nerds, now you're just a bunch of .... jeez, I don't know--- anthropologists.

  4. The summary repeats itself by skirmish666 · · Score: 2

    And it repeats itself too.

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  5. The submitter could have been more informative... by bogaboga · · Score: 2

    Apart from duplicating that intro, the submitter would have been more informative if he/she told us who Intel supplanted back in 1993.

    I now have to `google` this I guess.

  6. *SLOW CLAPS* by maliqua · · Score: 1

    Good job /. this is by far the best written summary I have seen on this site in years.

    1. Re:*SLOW CLAPS* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It is also (by far) the best written summary to have been seen on this site in years.

  7. A déjà vu is usually a glitch in the Mat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It happens when they change something.

  8. Wrong Directions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I'd far rather buy the world's smaller chips than the world's largest chips.

  9. Oh no! by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

    This is terrible! An artificial measurement of success have been turned against a tech company! Better warn the public! -_-;

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  10. Duplication of effort by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: -1

    Well, instead of reposting the same story 8-24 hours later, the story is reposted inside of itself. Saves duplication of effort. Even better that it's done by the guy who said he was going to clean up the site. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

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    1. Re:Duplication of effort by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But how am I supposed to comment on the repost if this is the repost? You can't expect remotely insightful comments if nobody posts them first.

  11. Are you sure? by ls671 · · Score: 2

    Are you sure that:
    "Intel first became the world's largest chipmaker back in 1993 and has held the title ever since."

    reference please...

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    1. Re:Are you sure? by binarybum · · Score: 2

      they said it twice - isn't that enough!

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  12. Re:The submitter could have been more informative. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "I now have to `google` this I guess."

    Pretend it's 1993 again and use AOL search or gopher instead! It makes the terrible /. articles much more fun to research.

    Also, pretend it's 1993 again and use AOL search or gopher instead! It makes the terrible /. articles much more fun to research.

    Also, also, pretend it's 1993 again and use AOL search or gopher instead! It makes the terrible /. articles much more fun to research.

    I should be a /. editor!

  13. Chipmaker? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or bomb maker?

  14. NEC, Toshiba, Hitachi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    According this is link it was the Japanese manufacturers.

    http://www.icinsights.com/news/bulletins/Tracking-The-Top-10-Semiconductor-Sales-Leaders-Over-26-Years/

    IMHO, you can buy an 8 core 64 Bit 2Ghz computer for $60 these days, complete with Bluetooth, HDMI, flash, Wifi, ethernet.... so Intel has already lost the market to a *cluster* of companies that includes Samsung, and it's for those companies to fight it out to see who becomes the dominant one. Intel will not be one of the winners.

    I don't think Samsung are currently likely to come out top, the Chinese chip makers are too cheap, they've been commoditized.

    (Google Android TV Box S912 and you'll find a load of these, stick Ubuntu Arm on these and they're faultless, as Android boxes they will play 3D games and 4K video reasonably).

    1. Re:NEC, Toshiba, Hitachi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      >Google Android TV Box S912 and you'll find a load of these

      Interesting. This could be a good light computer/server for some home tasks. I'd been considering a Raspberry Pi, but that would be $50 with some extras anyway.

      My only concern is that some Chinese chipsets come with backdoors or malware pre-installed.

    2. Re:NEC, Toshiba, Hitachi by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2

      so Intel has already lost the market to a *cluster* of companies that includes Samsung, and it's for those companies to fight it out to see who becomes the dominant one. Intel will not be one of the winners

      I'm not so sure, for two reasons:

      The first is that economies of scale are hugely important in the fab business. AMD spun off Global Foundries so that they could share their fab R&D costs with other companies and whoever has the highest quantities of current-process chips (older processes are less important - you run a fab for years after it's superseded, but your margins go down a lot) has a big advantage in terms of amortising their R&D costs across multiple chips. Being smaller than 5 other companies combined is not a problem, being smaller than one other company is.

      Second, people typically think of Intel as a processor vendor, but they're not. They're a chip maker that happens to design x86 cores as a way of keeping their fabs running. A lot of what they sell are RAM chips, network controllers, and so on. x86 chips make up a surprisingly small percentage of their total output. They're also an ARM licensee (you might be surprised at how many ARM cores there are on an Intel motherboard), and have just upgraded their ARM license, so there's nothing to stop them fabbing ARM cores if they decide it's a good business to be in (they do already on a bunch of their FPGA products).

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  15. Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Looks like we're all experts at reading the summary. What about RTFA? ....

    *crickets*

    1. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Looks like we're all experts at reading the summary. What about RTFA? ....

      *crickets*

      Found the PC Mag employee.
      Not enough ad impressions I'm guessing.

    2. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol no I don't work there (surprised it still exists) just low hanging joke

  16. Revenue, not product by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    The article really says that Samsung's revenue will exceed Intel's if memory prices stay high. If prices drop, then Samsung is number 2. It has little to do with actual production of product. By this metric, Samsung could produce less and still become first in revenue if prices rise enough.

    1. Re:Revenue, not product by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Since Intel's management decided to stop innovation by cutting the research and development, the downward spiral of company will just speed up. The fat profits they now have can not continue forever. But that does not matter as the management team can retire into their mansions after company bank account is spent as bonuses.

    2. Re:Revenue, not product by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They had to cut R&D in order to keep overheads down and the chip prices competitive. Companies decide on their chip purchases based on the price/performance (FLOPS) and performance/power consumption ratio. For data centers with rack mounted hardware, they look at the performance and power consumption vs. space required, with values like 10 kilowatts/cubic meter.

      If they don't have any competition, then they don't need to do R&D.

  17. That may be true but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The number of worthwhile chips between the two tells a totally different tale. Samsung kinda makes a bunch of horseshit when it comes right down to it. Processors for toys.

  18. Let me get this straight... by Megol · · Score: 1

    Unlike on PC where Intel dominates, mobile is a different matter entirely, and Samsung is on hand to provide the DRAM and NAND chips they require?

    1. Re:Let me get this straight... by sabbede · · Score: 1

      No no no. Samsung is on hand to provide the DRAM and NAND chips they require, because mobile is a different matter entirely.

  19. Re:The submitter could have been more informative. by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

    Archie was around, along with multiple spider services. You weren't stuck using AOL. AOL was always just an advertising engine, not a search engine. Gopher had no search engine and was still better than the first few years of Yahoo, as it was semi-hierarchical.

  20. It is also overtaking Akzo-Nobel.... by LordHighExecutioner · · Score: 1

    ...Samsung smartphones are replacing dynamite in many application fields!

    1. Re:It is also overtaking Akzo-Nobel.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does AkzoNobel produce dynamite?

      You might be confused with Dyno Nobel and Dynamit Nobel.

  21. I would also say by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Archie was around too, along with multiple spider services.

  22. Spelling and grammar by thegarbz · · Score: 2

    At least there are no spelling and grammar errors in the summary.

    1. Re:Spelling and grammar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At lease their non gram or error for ounce.

  23. Obligatory:Intel CPU Backdoor Report (May 1 2017) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    The goal of this report is to make the existence of Intel CPU backdoors a common knowledge and provide information on backdoor removal.

    What we know about Intel CPU backdoors so far:

    TL;DR version

    Your Intel CPU and Chipset is running a backdoor as we speak.

    The backdoor hardware is inside the CPU/Bridge and the backdoor firmware (Intel Management Engine) is in the chipset flash memory.

    30C3 Intel ME live hack:
    @21m43s, keystrokes leaked from Intel ME above the OS, wireshark failed to detect packets.
    [Video Link] 30C3: Persistent, Stealthy, Remote-controlled Dedicated Hardware Malware
    [Quotes] Vortrag:
    "DAGGER exploits Intel's Manageability Engine (ME), that executes firmware code such as Intel's Active Management Technology (iAMT), as well as its OOB network channel."

    "the ME provides a perfect environment for undetectable sensitive data leakage on behalf of the attacker. Our presentation consists of three parts. The first part addresses how to find valuable data in the main memory of the host. The second part exploits the ME's OOB network channel to exfiltrate captured data to an external platform and to inject new attack code to target other interesting data structures available in the host runtime memory. The last part deals with the implementation of a covert network channel based on JitterBug."

    "We have recently improved DAGGER's capabilites to include support for 64-bit operating systems and a stealthy update mechanism to download new attack code."

    "To be more precise, we show how to conduct a DMA attack using Intel's Manageability Engine (ME)."

    "We can permanently monitor the keyboard buffer on both operating system targets."

    Backdoor removal:
    The backdoor firmware can be removed by following this guide using the me_cleaner script.
    Removal requires a Raspberry Pi (with GPIO pins) and a SOIC clip.

    Decoding Intel backdoors:
    The situation is out of control and the Libreboot/Coreboot community is looking for BIOS/Firmware experts to help with the Intel ME decoding effort.

    If you are skilled in these areas, download Intel ME firmwares from this collection and have a go at them, beware Intel is using a lot of counter measures to prevent their backdoors from being decoded (explained below).

    Useful links:
    The Intel ME subsystem can take over your machine, can't be audited
    REcon 2014 - Intel Management Engine Secrets
    Untrusting the CPU (33c3)
    Towards (reasonably) trustworthy x86 laptops
    30C3 To Protect And Infect - The militarization of the Internet
    30c3: To Protect And Infect Part 2 - Mass Surveillance Tools & Software

    1. Introduction, what is Intel ME

    Short version, from Intel staff:

    Re: What Intel CPUs lack Intel ME secondary processor?
    Amy_Intel Feb 8, 2016 9:27 AM

    The Management Engine (ME) is an isolated and protected coprocessor, embedded as a non-optional part in all current Intel chipsets, I even checked wit

  24. This repetition is giving me a headache. by sabbede · · Score: 1
    I need some Head On, applied directly to the forehead.

    Head On, applied directly to the forehead.

    Head On, applied directly to the forehead.

    1. Re:This repetition is giving me a headache. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn you! I had almost forgotten those commercials! ;)

  25. It figures by OneHundredAndTen · · Score: 1

    There is no way Intel can come up with chips even half as explosive as Samsung's. Not in vain is Samsung a company on fire.

  26. I love this!!! It's Samsung, after all... by ctrl-alt-canc · · Score: 1

    From the headline:

    Intel first became the world's largest chipmaker back in 1993 and has held the title ever since. But as the mobile market has exploded...

  27. World's Largest Chip Maker by camperdave · · Score: 1

    Samsung May Overtake Intel As World's Largest Chip Maker In 2017

    So...Um... So, how big is the world's largest chip anyway?

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    1. Re:World's Largest Chip Maker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So...Um... So, how big is the world's largest chip anyway?

      That brings us back to Intel:

      As of 2016, the largest transistor count in a commercially available single-chip processor is over 7.2 billion—the Intel Broadwell-EP Xeon. In other types of ICs, such as field-programmable gate arrays (FPGAs), Intel's (previously Altera) Stratix 10 has the largest transistor count, containing over 30 billion transistors.

      (Source)

    2. Re:World's Largest Chip Maker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a pretty great joke. I will steal it with pride.

    3. Re:World's Largest Chip Maker by camperdave · · Score: 1

      Transistor count doesn't tell you the size any more than saying a bookshelf can hold 50 books. 50 paperbacks takes up way less space than 50 encyclopedias. Talk to me in square millimetres.

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  28. Re:The submitter could have been more informative. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Use Veronica (Very easy rodent oriented network index for computerized archives)

  29. I think there has been a change in the Matrix by neo-mkrey · · Score: 1

    It's deja vue all over again...

  30. /. we dont need to do any editing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The story worth telling twice.