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Justice Department Opens Criminal Probe Into Uber (washingtonpost.com)

parallel_prankster quotes a report from Washington Post: The Department of Justice has launched a criminal investigation into Uber's use of a secret software that was used to evade authorities in places where its ride-sharing service was banned or restricted, according to a person familiar with the government's probe. The investigation is in its early stages, but deepens the crisis for the embattled company and its chief executive and founder Travis Kalanick, who has faced a barrage of negative press this year in the wake of high-profile sexual harassment complaints, a slew of high-level executive departures, and a consequential trade secrets lawsuit from Google's parent company. The federal criminal probe, first reported by Reuters, focuses on software developed by Uber called "Greyball." The program helped the company evade officials in cities where Uber was not yet approved. The software identified and blocked rides to transportation regulators who were posing as Uber customers to prove that the company was operating illegally.

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  1. Virtual pleading the 5th by RogueWarrior65 · · Score: 0

    So it's software designed to implement the right not to self-incriminate. Sort of.

    1. Re:Virtual pleading the 5th by dreamchaser · · Score: 4, Informative

      Methods to evade laws have nothing to do with the 5th Amendment. One can argue for or against the areas that ban Uber and their laws, but your analogy is flawed. This software is more like a real criminal using methods to avoid undercover police.

    2. Re:Virtual pleading the 5th by RogueWarrior65 · · Score: 0

      So it's more like a radar detector. Given that those are radio receivers and therefore governed by the FCC (yes, there is case law on the subject pertaining to citizens right to know that they're being spied on), this is really no different. But try telling that to cops in Virginia.

    3. Re:Virtual pleading the 5th by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, this is like actively hiding a recently escaped convict and telling the police you haven't seen or heard from them in years. Both are obstruction of justice.

    4. Re:Virtual pleading the 5th by nospam007 · · Score: 1

      "Methods to evade laws have nothing to do with the 5th Amendment. One can argue for or against the areas that ban Uber and their laws, but your analogy is flawed. This software is more like a real criminal using methods to avoid undercover police."

      I'd say it's a variation of 'We reserve us the right to refuse service to anyone.'

    5. Re:Virtual pleading the 5th by bferrell · · Score: 1

      No, a RADAR detector listens for transmissions that exist.

      Greyball is/was more like posting lookouts while performing a break in or other forbidden activity is in progress

    6. Re:Virtual pleading the 5th by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which is not a right.

    7. Re:Virtual pleading the 5th by Jzanu · · Score: 1

      A company can't target denial to government investigators for the explicit purpose of covering up the criminal activities being investigated.

    8. Re:Virtual pleading the 5th by smooth+wombat · · Score: 0

      Which is not a right.

      Yes, it is. Any private company has the right to refuse service/entry to anyone they feel like. Casinos are ones who most use this. They can deny anyone access to their property for any reason.

      Even though the casino, or grocery store, or mall or anything else is "open to the public", it is still private property and the owners/managers get to determine who can and cannot come on to that property.

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    9. Re:Virtual pleading the 5th by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not when intentionally done to evade investigations of admitted criminal activity. Or you get to go to prison anyway.

    10. Re:Virtual pleading the 5th by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      No it is a variation of, 'we reserve the right not to participate in a criminal investigation against us', which is not a right.

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    11. Re: Virtual pleading the 5th by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is quite different.

      "False equivalence is the fallacy of our time."

    12. Re:Virtual pleading the 5th by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which is not a right. Yes, it is. Any private company has the right to refuse service/entry to anyone they feel like. Casinos are ones who most use this. They can deny anyone access to their property for any reason.

      Even though the casino, or grocery store, or mall or anything else is "open to the public", it is still private property and the owners/managers get to determine who can and cannot come on to that property.

      Not exactly. They MUST have a ground to deny their services. Also, their ground must not against the law (e.g. discrimination) which may allow discrimination on belief (e.g. religious) for certain extend (or in some states). If they can't prove that, they must allow their service to whoever comes.

    13. Re:Virtual pleading the 5th by Aighearach · · Score: 2

      I would say it is more like radar jammer where it uses a false transmission to hide the activity.

      Highly illegal, of course.

    14. Re:Virtual pleading the 5th by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      1) They didn't refuse service, they continued providing app data to those users. It was just intentionally false data.

      2) "We Reserve The Right to Refuse Service" is a dog-whistle sign that is intended to be understood in a certain way by certain people. If you don't know who that is, you won't know anything is wrong. Luckily though, the owner of the shop is generally not able to communicate that to employees, and so it doesn't get "enforced."

      3) There is no right to refuse service, nor any right to be served. All the rights have to do with other things.

    15. Re:Virtual pleading the 5th by BitterOak · · Score: 1

      This software is more like a real criminal using methods to avoid undercover police.

      Is there a law against evading undercover police?

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    16. Re:Virtual pleading the 5th by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The TV broadcast companies and cable companies were told by the courts that it's freedom of the airwaves, if people intercept what was being broadcast, they were out of luck, but also said the cable companies were welcome to encrypt their communications.

      The courts have also ruled that once somebody purchased software or music or a video, they own it and can make copies, give copies to others (but not sell), but the court also said the manufacturers are free to encrypt and to license.

      The police are free to hid their locations and to encrypt their communications, but just because they don't think it's fair doesn't mean we are going to stop using the technology available to us. After all, the police are always using technology available to them, even when it violates our rights.

      In a free society where we are fighting to maintain our freedom, we view these tools as weapons. The police have such weapons, and so will we. Any attempt to infringe on their use is a violation of the 2nd Amendment.

    17. Re:Virtual pleading the 5th by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not criminal activity. As long as the traffic laws are obeyed, the government has no authority to restrict specific vehicles all because they giving a ride. Equal protection, and free enterprise. The government has once again overstepped it's authority and pretending they aren't.

    18. Re:Virtual pleading the 5th by Jzanu · · Score: 2

      You are ignorant and illiterate. Read! Uber's criminal activity before the software fiasco was operating in the city in violation of law banning exactly that. The software was designed explicitly to allow Uber to operate despite the law and evade detection. Now in addition to that original charge, they are guilty of obstruction of justice by interfering with official investigation.

    19. Re:Virtual pleading the 5th by DRJlaw · · Score: 1

      As long as the traffic laws are obeyed, the government has no authority to restrict specific vehicles all because they giving a ride.

      A century of taxi regulation at the state and municipal level says that you're wrong. Notice that the one thing that Uber has not tried i arguing that they cannot be regulated. Instead, they lobby against regulation and engage in illegal data collection (Facebook history, credit checks not connected to requets for lines of credit) to avoid it.

    20. Re:Virtual pleading the 5th by sethstorm · · Score: 1

      1) They didn't refuse service, they continued providing app data to those users. It was just intentionally false data.

      Which is an intentional obstruction of measuring compliance.

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    21. Re:Virtual pleading the 5th by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Yes, it is. Any private company has the right to refuse service/entry to anyone they feel like.

      Close, but not quite.

      A private company as the right to refuse service to individuals in general, but it needs to be for a legal reason. Refusing service to law enforcement officers in the performance of their duties will get it in real trouble.

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    22. Re:Virtual pleading the 5th by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The software was used to lie to regulators in order to hide illegal activity.

      That is obstruction of justice.

    23. Re:Virtual pleading the 5th by mjwx · · Score: 1

      No, a RADAR detector listens for transmissions that exist.

      In theory, yes.

      However as RADAR and LIDAR began to use tighter beams, RADAR detectors had to start using active signals to detect them. If you're using a passive detector for LIDAR, the camera has already got you before your brain registers the beep from the detector (assuming the detector works of course).

      Personally I have no issue with RADAR detectors, they aren't illegal in Western Australia because they don't work. Everyone I knew who had one still got speeding tickets from multi-novas (mobile speed cameras) even though their detector was allegedly working. All I ask is that they are certified under the same system as any other transmitting device.

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    24. Re:Virtual pleading the 5th by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How does being an active transmitter help a RADAR detector?

  2. At the shop by Hognoxious · · Score: 3, Funny

    Shopkeeper: what can I get you?

    Me: I'd like a dozen softwares and three hardwares, please.

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  3. Uber should be shut down by WCMI92 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They've already commited enough shenanigans to warrant the corporate death penalty.

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    1. Re:Uber should be shut down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      one of the major risk areas for fraud is what they call the "tone from the top", or the corporate message of integrity. They're not publicly traded so it may not matter but I wouldn't be surprised to eventually hear about accounting fraud from Uber.

    2. Re:Uber should be shut down by TWX · · Score: 3, Informative

      They are not publicly traded but they still have a business license that was granted to them. Time to revoke it and force asset liquidation. If anything it's better that they're not publicly traded, the people most hurt by the behavior are those who invested in the criminal enterprise, losing their venture capital dollars may convince them to avoid these kinds of business practices in the future.

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    3. Re:Uber should be shut down by Ichijo · · Score: 1

      Because anything that's illegal is automatically immoral?

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    4. Re:Uber should be shut down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, because the shit that they very obviously did is very obviously immoral.

    5. Re:Uber should be shut down by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      This investigation seems instead designed to go after a bunch of executives and engineers rather than the corporation itself.

      There are lots of things that are official company actions that violate laws that they could be investigating, but they're investigating part that people were keeping secret but using anyways. That means that this is going to implicate individuals criminally, and most of the corporate liability will be civil negligence.

    6. Re:Uber should be shut down by Aighearach · · Score: 0

      "business license" isn't a thing as you imagine it, and it certainly isn't a bludgeon that would be legal to use instead of enforcing other laws. Give me a freakin' break, go read a book for once in your life.

      "Business license" is something that exists in some places and not others, and where it exists it is merely a registration of the name of the company and who owns it and who the formal contacts are. And there is some fee or tax associated with that listing. You would have to already be banned from doing business for some other reason for it to be denied to anybody.

    7. Re:Uber should be shut down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, usually we have that proven in a court of law, not just in a bunch of stories in the media first.

      I'd rather wait until they're properly judged to say that, so I'll wait until they've had their day(s) in court before I condemn them.

    8. Re:Uber should be shut down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh I see, you must be a taxi driver that think you own the right to drive people exclusively, and you are upset because Uber came up with a competing and effective business model.

      I say the police are the ones that committed the shenanigans. Constantly infringing on constitutional rights while pretending they aren't. They constantly pretend they don't have enough money, then they dump a lot of that money into new tools and programs to EXPAND their control over society, to unreasonable levels. it's reasons like that that we all voted for Trump to begin with; we are tired of government overreach.

      Fuck the police; we are not going to do their job for them, they will just have to develop their own tools. They play their games, and we will play ours.

    9. Re:Uber should be shut down by Jzanu · · Score: 1

      Uber came up with a business model reliant on ignoring safety regulations for drivers and riders. With predictable result of enabling murderers and rapists. Read! Absence of ethics as reflected in stealing money from equity, stealing intellectual property, stiffing drivers with equivalent pay-day auto loans for company vehicles, and allowing wanton sexual harassment without punishment.

    10. Re:Uber should be shut down by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      However, articles of incorporation are a thing that all corporations have, and they at least theoretically can be revoked.

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    11. Re:Uber should be shut down by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      I've always found that to be a very interesting theory, I wish society would explore it a little more deeply.

    12. Re:Uber should be shut down by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Because anything that's illegal is automatically immoral?

      Vice versa, a lot of things that are immoral are not illegal.

      Uber has committed both illegal and immoral acts wantonly in such quantities that any distinction is academic at this point in time. They need to be put down.

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  4. Poor old Travis by Viol8 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I wonder if this particular specimen of arrogant entitled Tech Bro will finally realise its better to work with regulators around the world than to try and bully your way onto the scene and hope you built up enough critical mass to bulldoze your way through all those tedious regulations and laws that other companies have to comply with.

    The idea behind Uber is a good one, but I hope the company itself goes out of business. Its business and HR practices stink and we don't need a company like that running transportation services (not that they'd stop there tbh).

    1. Re:Poor old Travis by dbIII · · Score: 3, Informative

      He hasn't just been bullying, he's been sweetening people in power up as well.
      It's an odd kind of feeling seeing these guys come in and treat places in the west as if it's a banana republic with easily bought officials - not just insulting but depressing when it works.

    2. Re:Poor old Travis by TWX · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Some of Ubers ideas are good, but most of the good ones could have been evaluated by regulatory bodies and then applied to existing passenger livery regulations. It's not unreasonable to have a better booking system for rides. It's not unreasonable to use mapping software to determine the approximate cost of a fare. It may possibly even be reasonable to allow the use of private vehicles for passenger livery part-time, which means that part-time drivers would have to buy-in to whatever dispatch service they wish to work for. It even may be reasonable to allow customers to rate drivers and drivers to rate customers to essentially determine risk/worth/surcharge.

      Thing is, at the end it still is necessary for the drivers to make sustainable wages. It's necessary to protect passengers with proper insurance. It's necessary to ensure that drivers are properly vetted. Bad things have happened over the years, many taxi and sedan regulations are reactions to those bad things, and while it's always a good idea to re-evaluate rules to see if they're still necessary, I expect that since the act of moving a fare from one place to another really hasn't changed all that much, most of those regulations still need to be in-effect.

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    3. Re:Poor old Travis by OffaMyLawn · · Score: 0

      Wish I had mod points right now.

      I've spoken to people over the years that view pretty much any kind of government regulation as a terrible idea that needs to be destroyed. Noting that there are indeed some regulations that exist simply because someone's bank account received a strange influx from an anonymous donor (even if not personal accounts, campaign contributions from lobbyists for extra consideration applies as well), some regulations do in fact exist because bad things had happened and whatever industry in question failed to correct the problem itself.

      Sometimes the free market really is just driven entirely by greed, they don't care who they're hurting, and the government does periodically need to step in and correct the problem.

    4. Re:Poor old Travis by Nidi62 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I wonder if this particular specimen of arrogant entitled Tech Bro will finally realise its better to work with regulators around the world than to try and bully your way onto the scene and hope you built up enough critical mass to bulldoze your way through all those tedious regulations and laws that other companies have to comply with.

      Kalanick and Elizabeth Holmes should get together. They would be the power couple of fraudulent...I mean disruptive...tech startups. They could start a new company called Uberos to disrupt the corrupt lab-testing industry by creating an app that allows people who have bought their own equipment for personal testing to test samples for other people too!

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    5. Re:Poor old Travis by Mitreya · · Score: 1

      The idea behind Uber is a good one, but I hope the company itself goes out of business

      But if it does, we may have to deal with cabs. Back to the days of:

      Having to find a taxi phone number (if you could) and spend 5 minutes explaining to the operator where they should send the cab.
      And then sometimes cab might never show up for which you may or may not get an apology.
      Cab drivers refusing to take you because it is not worth the trip (not far enough or not enough fares at the destination).
      Cab credit card reader mysteriously breaking when you are about to pay.
      Sometime the credit card reader is actually broken (of that you'd be notified when you get in)
      Card reader having tip options that start at 25% (Just a few days ago -- Options were 25% or 30% or 35% tip, and the card reader was at the driver seat, not in the back, so he had to choose the option you told him!)

      Uber can go out of business as long as Lyft survives.

    6. Re:Poor old Travis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder if this particular specimen of arrogant entitled Tech Bro will finally realise its better to work with regulators around the world than to try and bully your way onto the scene and hope you built up enough critical mass to bulldoze your way through all those tedious regulations and laws that other companies have to comply with.

      But that's how you do business here in Canada. If you try to start a legit business you'll be murdered by silly regulations. If you just start doing your own thing the government won't have the guts to stop you. The reason we allowed uber to take root in Toronto is our mayor said it's not worth the policing cost to stop them. By that logic, which laws are worth the cost to enforce? Police and courts are a huge expense. The taxi drivers played by the rules (taxi licenses go for about $150,000) here. And the government threatened to go after them if they didn't pay the licensing fees while leaving uber alone without licenses at all.

      But hey, 10% of our population now lives in "community housing" and all the mayor ever does is throw more money at them while begging them for votes and begging higher levels of government to also throw more money at them. We're tearing down basic infrastructure we can't afford to maintain, but there's always more money for people who refuse to work.

    7. Re:Poor old Travis by TWX · · Score: 1

      Another thing about "the free market" is that sometimes it is not possible for the buyer to beware. There's no means for the customer to know if there's a real problem or not until they experience it.

      Getting a ride is one of those cases. People have been abducted because they got into vehicles with strangers and the strangers have ill intent. It's not common, but there's no means for the person to evaluate the risk entirely.

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    8. Re:Poor old Travis by tattood · · Score: 1

      treat places in the west as if it's a banana republic

      What does this have to do with clothing?

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    9. Re:Poor old Travis by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      The free market also doesn't deal with externalities, pretty much by definition. A driver can cause financial loss to lots of people, in and out of the car, and when I'm crossing the street I don't know which car will run me over or what the driver's insurance is like.

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    10. Re:Poor old Travis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty much all of the technology ideas your talking about. Central booking, estimated pricing, rating all existing before Uber. There is insufficient money in the taxi industry to make it viable. Ubers entire premise is to externalize all the real/hard costs (people, cars, regulations) in order to try and make a profit. There isn't limited profit to be had.

      I don't say this as my opinion, but as somebody who was there doing exactly this years before Uber showed up. We worked with existing taxi and limo companies and had service 13 states throughout the USA. We got clobbered when 9/11 happened (pretty much decimated the travel industry) and then by the time the industry recovered enough, Uber, Left and all the "sharing" economy bull sh%t artists arrived selling the con to the world as a better way.

      Its no better. Its only temporarily cheaper until the real cost are revealed. Only by then the circus tent will have rolled up and all the money is gone.

    11. Re:Poor old Travis by mjwx · · Score: 1

      It's not unreasonable to have a better booking system for rides. It's not unreasonable to use mapping software to determine the approximate cost of a fare. It may possibly even be reasonable to allow the use of private vehicles for passenger livery part-time, which means that part-time drivers would have to buy-in to whatever dispatch service they wish to work for. It even may be reasonable to allow customers to rate drivers and drivers to rate customers to essentially determine risk/worth/surcharge.

      The thing is, the booking by app thing, has been a thing for many years now and many third party apps are happy to work with many providers. The UK app "Minicabit" allows you to call a minicab (private hire vehicle) and select from a list of providers, they also allow you to rate your experience. A minicab is a pre-agreed fare, not metered in the UK. This part is happening and was happening before Uber ever reared it's ugly head.

      Uber is essentially legal here in England as it falls under the same regulations a minicabs which are pretty minimal to begin with. Ubers problem is that no-one, not even Uber is making money.

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  5. Kalanick is fucked. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let's face it, he had a good idea but went full megalo with the implementation. Who the FUCK do you think you are, Travis? Lex Luthor?

    capcha : shamed

    1. Re:Kalanick is fucked. by bferrell · · Score: 1

      He wasn't even the first... Just the most willing to break the law to do what he wanted todo... And the try to recast it as being "disruptive"

    2. Re:Kalanick is fucked. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What was his good idea, because it sure has hell wasn't Uber.

      I mean let's take a group of chronically underpaid overworked people -- people who are almost entirely recent immigrants because it's a horrible job that nobody actually wants -- and let's steal all their business buy undercutting them. I mean look at all the rich taxi drivers out there, those guys maje a fortune, right?

      What kind of a complete idiot would think it's a good business idea to undercut people who are struggling to make a living as it is.

      And the fact that so many people fell victim and started driving cars for this idiot is a testament to the failure of public education around the world. Maybe teach our kids a bit more math and hopefully they won't be dumb enough to drive for uber.

  6. Conspiring to hide a crime is a crime by XXongo · · Score: 1

    Well, it's criminal conspiracy. Other than that, I suppose that you could say people trying to hide crimes are "implementing their right to not self-incriminate."

    1. Re:Conspiring to hide a crime is a crime by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What I've been wondering (IANAL) is whether the CEO can be charged under RICO statutes. Uber seems to qualify as a criminal enterprise, they ignore laws and statutes left and right, under the direction of leadership.

  7. Uber hasn't learned the right way to do corruption by JoeyRox · · Score: 1

    It's a novice mistake for a corporation to violate criminal law. The right way is to pay off a Congressman to get the law changed, while at the same time making it illegal for your competitor so that the government will raid them with machine guns when they try to engage in the behavior that was made legal for you.

  8. Two to go! by Notabadguy · · Score: 1

    The only thing I haven't seen Uber accused of is facilitating murder sprees or white power movements. They've got everything else covered.

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    2. Re:Two to go! by Jzanu · · Score: 2

      facilitating murder sprees or white power movements

      Give it a month, Uber is taking pains to hide from oversight for a reason. Practically it will be tied into the same bullshit that has taken root in many of the fake "innovation" companies like Airbnb.

    3. Re:Two to go! by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      The only thing I haven't seen Uber accused of is facilitating...white power movements. They've got everything else covered.

      So we just have to find an instance where a Neo-Nazi took an Uber to a protest and we are good to go?

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  9. This can't be right... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 0

    I thought part of the Trump plan to make America great again was to turn a blind eye towards Corporate America. Why is the Justice Department doing its job?

    1. Re:This can't be right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, Uber is a failed company that isn't dying fast enough to save its name. Lyft has better service without all the fucked up sociopathic legal arguments.

    2. Re:This can't be right... by wyHunter · · Score: 0

      So getting us out of TPP is turning a blind to corporate America, who, along with Obama/Clinton, overwhelmingly supported it? That's merely the first thing that jumped to mind.

    3. Re:This can't be right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, Sessions is right about this one, for a change. Travis needs to go.

    4. Re:This can't be right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. Uber isn't "Corporate America," as Team Trump sees it. They're a bunch of California liberals who, under GOP dogma, don't deserve to be making any money.

      2. Before the summer is over, you'll see another shining example of the Justice Department doing its job. You'll slip in your dripping snark when the Justice Department hands down indictments and starts arresting Team Trump left, right, and sideways.

  10. In related but imaginary news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    a criminal investigation was launched into the government's use of secret software that was used to secretly spy on citizens.

    1. Re:In related but imaginary news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a criminal investigation was launched into the government's use of secret software that was used to secretly spy on citizens.

      And then used by the President's National Security Advisor to spy on political opponents...

  11. Seriously? by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 0

    WHAT TOOK SO LONG?!

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  12. Arrrrgh by jabberw0k · · Score: 1

    Thank you for gifting us, for informating us, with the needfuls. (Have you tried rebooting your grammars?)

  13. What Distraction will they Announce Next? by BarneyGuarder · · Score: 2

    Let's see, Uber has already had large public announcements abut developing self-diving cars, then flying cars. Each of these were after some bad press about Uber. What will they announce next to distract from this.

    Alternatively, there just could be so much bad press that any PR stunt they hold will be immediately after something bad came out.

    Uber challenged the stale Taxi monopolies with a new dispatch and payment processing system. However, eventually VCs will get tired of buying people cab rides.

    1. Re:What Distraction will they Announce Next? by gnasher719 · · Score: 2

      Let's see, Uber has already had large public announcements abut developing self-diving cars, then flying cars. Each of these were after some bad press about Uber. What will they announce next to distract from this.

      The self driving cars came _before_ the bad news about technology being stolen from Google. And I bet Google will have flying pigs before Uber has flying cars.

    2. Re:What Distraction will they Announce Next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget that the self-driving car tech was also stolen.

  14. Is avoidance of entrapment criminal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I think Travis and Uber are definitely pushing the limits...the sexual harassment stuff is clearly wrong and they've pushed the boundaries on countless other activities. However, is the ability for a corporation (entity) to preserve itself through technology actually criminal? It seems to me that unless Uber was avoiding paying some type of city tax during trips within a city which hadn't "approved" Uber then what you have here is a "you didn't break any laws, but we're pissed because you didn't receive our permission yet" situation.

    Uber has some serious issues, but unless they can tie Uber to a clear violation of the law this is nothing more than a nuisance for Uber, and I'm sure there lawyers will quash this easily.

    1. Re:Is avoidance of entrapment criminal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uber was banned from operating within city limits due to lack of insurance, etc. It used this software to evade enforcement.

    2. Re:Is avoidance of entrapment criminal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Knowingly lying to regulators is "Obstruction of Justice" -a criminal act.

  15. Justice newspeak: "not yet approved"... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... really means "operating illegally".

  16. proper insurance is needed taxis have it uber kind by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    proper insurance is needed taxis have it uber kind of has it.

  17. Uber's days are numbered by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The only question for Uber is who will pound the final nail into the companies coffin. They basically have ignored, and circumvented regulations, cheated its own contractors, and provided no moral or ethical backbone to its operation. It operates purely on deceit and manipulation to succeed. Eventually any company operating this way dissolves.

  18. uber can just blame there 1099'er doing the work by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    uber can just blame there 1099'er doing the work / running the software.

  19. Obstruction of Justice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Plain and simple. About time it was addressed.

  20. NO AUTHORITY by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Authorities don't have the authority to restrict it or forbid it in some areas. Free Enterprise, Equal protection under the law, and the 9th Amendment right to travel.

    In a truely free society as America is supposed to be, Uber drivers can go where they like, and this fascism practice in government and the courts is out of control. Many people are fighting back, by simply saying no.

    You want us to pay a penalty for not having health insurance? NO!

  21. Time to throw the book on them extra hard. by sethstorm · · Score: 1

    Given their malicious attempts at evading compliance, that should at least nullify any agreements made to allow their operation.

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  22. TOS , Police entrapment?Warrantless wiretap ? by bongey · · Score: 1

    I want to jump on the bash Uber as much as the next. First the police were violating the terms of service. Secondly I have a feeling many of cases were instances of police entrapment. Local police requesting pick ups near city borders, new Uber drivers that don't know it is illegal at some small airport. Finally the police were trying to spy on all uber drivers in an area without a warrant.

    1. Re: TOS , Police entrapment?Warrantless wiretap ? by bongey · · Score: 1

      Waze does the same thing, it shuts down police officers accounts because they use the service to try to hide there speed traps. No different here.