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How Psychology Today Sees Richard Stallman (psychologytoday.com)

After our article about Richard Stallman's new video interview, Slashdot reader silverjacket shared this recent profile from Psychology Today that describes Richard Stallman's quest "to save us from a web of spyware -- and from ourselves." By using proprietary software, Stallman believes, we are forfeiting control of our computers, and thus of our digital lives. In his denunciation of all nonfree software as inherently abusive and unethical, he has alienated many possible allies and followers. But he is not here to make friends. He is here to save us from a software industry he considers predatory in ways we've yet to recognize... for Stallman, moralism is the whole point. If you write or use free software only for practical reasons, you'll stop when it's inconvenient, and freedom will disappear.
Stallman collaborator Eben Moglen -- a law professor at Columbia, as well as the FSF's general counsel -- assesses Stallman's legacy by saying "the idea of copyleft and the proposition that social and political freedom can't happen in a society without technological freedom -- those are his long-term meanings. And humanity will be aware of those meanings for centuries, whatever it does about them." The article also includes quotes from Linus Torvalds and Eric S. Raymond -- along with some great artwork.

In addition to insisting the reporter refer to Linux as "GNU/Linux," Stallman also required that the article describe free software without using the term open source, a phrase he sees as "a way that people who disagree with me try to cause the ethical issues to be forgotten." And he ultimately got Psychology Today to tell its readers that "Nearly all the software on our phones and computers, as well as on other machines, is nonfree or 'proprietary' software and is riddled with spyware and back doors installed by Apple, Google, Microsoft, and the like."

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  1. I used to think RMS was mad... by iMadeGhostzilla · · Score: 5, Insightful

    and I still do but I'm slowly accepting there's some wisdom in forcing the software we all rely on to be transparent.

    1. Re:I used to think RMS was mad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      He isn't mad. Far from it.

      He's just right, and that ticks off many people who don't want to "get" it. Watch now all those infantile asshats poking fun at him to detract from what matters.

      Telling the truth and standing by it ain't always easy. And he's not... always diplomatic, mind you :-)

    2. Re:I used to think RMS was mad... by vux984 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm sorry but I'm not going to listen to a guy who is fat, unemployed, doesn't shower...

      Textbook argumentum ad hominem.

      You didn't make an argument, you demonstrated you don't have one. If you want people to listen to YOU, it helps not to fail at basic logic.

      And seriously, think about what you just said: you'd advocate listening to a fit and sharply dressed flat-earther christian megachurch evangelist over an overweight unkempt genius like Einstein! Not only is your argument logically fallacious, its downright catastrophic.

    3. Re:I used to think RMS was mad... by Nutria · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And argument on how to orient society is greatly diminished if put forth by a fat, unemployed guy who doesn't shower and eats toejam.

      Why? Because we're social creatures, and RMS acts all the world like an antisocial crank.

      "But his argument is logical!" you say. Maybe... but we're humans, not Vulcans.

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    4. Re:I used to think RMS was mad... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      We don't usually label somebody as mad who hasn't gone off the deep end.

      We often label people as mad because they stick to their principles and refuse to compromise.

      I have dealt with RMS many times, I don't care for him much as a person, and certainly wouldn't want him as a co-worker or roommate. But I admire his perseverance, consistency, and integrity.

    5. Re:I used to think RMS was mad... by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's all about trust. He looks and acts like the crazy guy who keeps taping home-made posters about the one world government and satan to utility poles and believes that every utility van is spying on him. First impressions count. If you really want to have the best chance of advancing your cause, you clean up your act so that people have some chance of identifying with you and are more ready to listen.

      Who would you trust more to watch your dog or your kids - Torvalds or Stallman? Who would you trust more not to embarrass you with their behaviour at a party? You never get a second chance to make a first impression.

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    6. Re: I used to think RMS was mad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      He's a fruit cake. Damn near as nuts as Trump and Palin but unlike Trunp and Palin he's actually contributed something to society.

    7. Re:I used to think RMS was mad... by taiwanjohn · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Eccentric" is a term reserved for rich people who are batshit crazy.

      No, it simply means "unconventional and slightly strange"... which is certainly true of Stallman, whatever you may think of his relevance in any other aspect. As a longtime user of "GNU/Linux" (22 years and counting) I'm grateful for his contributions to "the cause" (whatever that may be). You may quibble about which license is "freer" but some people might think that level of scrutiny is a bit eccentric. Though I did try FreeBSD once, many years ago, it didn't work well for me. Maybe I'm just lazy... whatever.

      Bottom line: Linux just keeps getting better, and I never have to pay a dime for it. And I don't really worry about viruses (though I am careful about opening stray links anyway). And Stallman played a major role in making that possible. What have you or I or most other folks accomplished to rival that?

      What I wonder is, will the HURD ever overtake Linux as the de-facto kernel? I rather doubt it. But the rest of GNU is indispensable.

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      XML is like violence. If it doesn't solve your problem, you're not using enough of it. --AC
    8. Re:I used to think RMS was mad... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1, Insightful

      He has NOT achieved more than I have. I have two amazing daughters.

      Amazing to you, or genuinely positive forces in the world? Because your precious snowflakes are consuming resources that all of us need, but we all use Linux, which would not be what it is today without the GPL. (Major contributors have said so, point blank.) Most people (and by extension, their children) are a net drain on the biosphere, and thus humanity (which depends upon it.)

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      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    9. Re: I used to think RMS was mad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The rest of GNU is indispensible to you and me. It is very dispensible to many, who just use Linux without touching directly those pieces- and in some cases, without even touching them by second order.

      rms being pissed that Linux got the naming credit is reasonable. Carrying on about that for almost a quarter century is absolutely not. Linux is the name of the OS. The GNU tools are a ludicrously valuable part of almost every Linux system. But if he cared super lots about naming, guess what? He'd have given it a name that normies can actually call it. No regular guy is gonna say "guh-new", the name is LITERALLY a joke (it's more like three jokes, and at least two of them are funny). Naming something super duper nerdy means it WILL get renamed. This is on top of all the other reasons why Linux is always Linux, and never GNU/Linux.

    10. Re:I used to think RMS was mad... by martyros · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Also, there's plenty of software out there that is freer than the GPL license. For example, FreeBSD.

      You probably know you're spreading misinformation here, but I'll respond just for the record. "Freedom" for some people to do some things necessarily implies removing freedom of other people to do other things. For a set of laws to be "more free" than another, it must protect the freedom of a larger number of people. A country which allows "honor killings", or permits discrimination based on race or sexual orientation, is significantly less free than a society which forbids those. By restricting the freedom of people who want to do honor killings, you increase the freedom of all the women who would have been intimidated into conformity.

      "Software freedom" is about protecting what users of software can do. BSD licenses allow companies to add proprietary extensions and re-sell the software as proprietary, reducing the freedom of all of the people who use the modified software; the GPL requires all extensions to also be GPL'ed, protecting the freedom of the people who use the modified software. The end result is that by restricting the freedom of a few, it increases the freedom of the many.

      I don't care what license you use in code that you write. But BSD licenses are absolutely less free than GPL licenses.

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    11. Re:I used to think RMS was mad... by jeremyp · · Score: 3, Insightful

      BSD licenses allow companies to add proprietary extensions and re-sell the software as proprietary, reducing the freedom of all of the people who use the modified software;

      This is not true. A company writing a closed source product based on BSD licensed code is not reducing anybody's freedom. Before the company wrote the proprietary software everybody was free to use and modify the original software. After they wrote the proprietary software, everybody is free to use and modify the original software. Also, people are free to use but not modify the proprietary software.

      With GPL, in the same situation, people have more freedom since the freedom to modify the "proprietary" software is added to the freedom to use it. However, with GPL, the software might not exist at all because the company can't sell it. Well, they can attempt to sell it but they can't prevent their customers from giving it away for free.

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      All I want is a secure system where it's easy to do anything I want. Is that too much to ask ~~ Randall Munroe
  2. Stallman is RIGHT. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Nothing else matters. You can hate the man or feel inconvenienced by what he says. Nothing changes the simple fact that he's right.

  3. RMS is nuts but that doesn't make him wrong by sjbe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...and I still do but I'm slowly accepting there's some wisdom in forcing the software we all rely on to be transparent.

    RMS is a bit crazy and certainly could be fairly described as a fanatic. I also think he is a clumsy advocate, a terrible public speaker, and his arguments aren't always grounded in reality. He is too easy to dismiss as a loon by those who have an interest in doing so. That doesn't mean he's entirely wrong. While I think he goes off the deep end a bit with his moralizing but in practical terms he is quite right that there is a huge loss of value to society in allowing too much of our tools to be kept under lock and key.

    One of the great things about owning a drill press for example is that I can open it up and tinker with it if I feel the need. Nobody can tell me that I cannot. I might void a warranty but that's my choice and I can willingly take that risk. Heck I can even sell the modified device in most cases. But with most proprietary software I cannot do the equivalent tinkering. I can't open it up (figuratively speaking) and tweak the tool to my particular needs. Free (as in speech) software remedies this problem.

    I don't have a principled objection to the existence of all proprietary software but RMS is very correct that if we lack a large toolbox of software tools that we can modify and adapt and build upon then we are ultimately causing very real and measurable harm to society. Imagine where science would be today if scientists were prevented by law from sharing their discoveries. Imagine a world where tool makers weren't allowed to improve on or use tools made by others. Imagine if chemists couldn't share chemical formulas. We are at risk of the doing something incredibly stupid in making it too easy to prevent the sharing of mere instructions for machines. That's not a moral argument - it's a practical one. We're limiting our own economic future by having clumsy copyright and patent laws that allow a few to lock up much of what should be accessible to all.

    1. Re:RMS is nuts but that doesn't make him wrong by TeknoHog · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Imagine where science would be today if scientists were prevented by law from sharing their discoveries.

      I've got the impression that Free software is simply the scientific method applied to software. So it's not just the rantings of an eccentric for the past few decades, there's a few more centuries of tradition behind the general principle. But as everything in the world revolves more and more around proprietary software (including natural sciences, ironically), a little reminder won't hurt.

      I also agree that the Free scientific approach is an enormously practical one. I might even say that practicality is all that matters in the long run; morals are really just a short-term way of reminding people of long-term issues.

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      Escher was the first MC and Giger invented the HR department.
  4. In some ways Stallman is right by Elfich47 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The issue Stallman has (software that is not under lock and key, can be freely modified and redistributed is good) but oh my god he needs to stop acting like the bearded freak show on the city corner on a soap box screaming THE END IS NIGH.

    Yes, spyware, malware, freakware, stealware is bad and open source software can help address these issues. But coming off as a loose cannon who is going to insult anyone who is not in lockstep alienates everyone you get within ten yards of. It also doesn't help that Stallman has a reputation as a misogynist, immediate turning off half the audience that could be sympathetic to the issue he is bringing up.

    Stallman is going to have to decide which is more important: The content of the message he wants to deliver or how he plans to deliver it. Eventually some other person is going to package the exact same Stallman is saying in a more palatable form for mass consumption. Come to think of it, its already occuring with mainstream Linux distributions. But eventually someone who is charismatic and how the technical background will supplant Stallman as the flag bearer for the "Purer open source" that will protect everyone.

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  5. i agree with RMS by FudRucker · · Score: 3, Insightful

    GNU/FOSS is the way to go if you want at least a reasonable sense of peace of mind as to what your PC or laptop is actually running, even if you dont audit the code yourself at least it is open source and the GNU/FOSS Open Source community can look though it. so if any bugs or strange behavior appears it can be fixed or if some dirty crook tries to sneak something nefarious in the software it will be found and routed out

    Kudos to RMS & Torvalds and the GNU/FOSS community at large

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    Politics is Treachery, Religion is Brainwashing
  6. Persuasion by sjbe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why? Do arguments become more valid when presented by someone well groomed?

    Persuading people involves a great deal more than simply making an argument with airtight logic. If logic was all that mattered, organized religion would have died out centuries ago. Like it or not, how an argument is presented can often matter more than the argument itself. And yes this can extend to personal grooming habits at times. This is a concept that understandably tends to be an anathema to many engineers but it's provably true. It doesn't matter if he is factually right if no one is willing to listen to what he says. Personal grooming and presentation can matter greatly at times. There is a reason that salesmen tend to present a polished image with a friendly face - it works. There is a reason preachers in church are very good at public speaking and understand the value of ceremony and presentation. It's the sugar that helps the medicine go down.

    That said, the idiot who made the comment about grooming and toejam is an imbecile. Dismissing someone's idea out of hand because you dislike their appearance is idiotic and juvenile. Whether or not RMS presents himself well has zero bearing on whether what he is saying is correct.

  7. We've been down this road before. by westlake · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The geek has been trying to dethrone Microsoft Office for longer than I care to remember without having any great impact on Microsoft's small business and enterprise markets. Photoshop remains the choice of professionals.

    Ideological purity or political correctness is not a substitute for the software users need or want.

    Part of the problem is that the geek sees only the code and not every element that contributes to the success or failure of a program --- and there his resources are often lacking. The game engine is not the game.

  8. If he was in it for the glory he would have moved by Elfich47 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Anyone who stays in a particular field for 40 years has a calling. Anyone who is it for the glory would have already moved on. That isn't my point.

    To the uninitiated, Stallman comes off as screaming at clouds. Let me have a couple of thought exercises:

    1. To most people, their android/IOS/Windows/Mac machine does what they want it to do and they don't think about it much beyond that. They don't have the time or the energy to look under the hood and play with the engine. They just want it to work, and Windows and Mac does that. Yes, Linux has gotten *alot* friendlier in the last 20 years but it isn't going to hold your hand like Windows and Mac does. So (like it or not) convenience is winning the war. So when Stallman comes by screaming the "end is nigh", "proprietary software is bad" uneducated people look at him like a screamer. The alternatives are not perceived as useful or inconvenient, even if more secure. So he is fighting an uphill battle.

    2. Go watch people debate on the internet about a hot button political issue: Guns, Abortion, HealthCare, Taxation; You name it. It will quickly breakdown in to a couple of camps: The ProPeople and the ConPeople who will go at it all day and the WhyDon'tTheyShutUpPeople who might have been interested except someone who may have been friendly flamed them out of hand. Now change out Guns/Abortion and insert OpenSource or FreeSoftware. A lot of people get turned off by the zealotry and set it on ignore. Stallman's approach to people can be very inflammatory. I understand he has a specific message and is out to push that message. Without adjusting the presentation to account for the audience is like trying to teach Sanskrit to a pony. He has a reputation for insulting his audience or driving people away. I understand he is a purist, he is allowed to be a purist. But it turns alot of people off. Stallman wants people to go cold turkey and most people can't or won't do that.

    Bringing people around means you have to find some common ground and a place where these people are willing to change. Start with a web browser, mail reader or art program (FireFox, Thunderbird, Gimp) and get them comfortable with those changes. Introduce them to additional programs that can replace the proprietary programs they used day-in, day out. That means programs that can replace iTunes, Word for Windows and every other daily use program out there. These programs have to be the real deal. Open/Libre Office does not have 100% of the functionality of Word so it isn't a replacement. iTunes is even harder to replace-yes there are music/move players out there; until it also has a movie,music store that can also update your phone with music it will be a tier 2 product.

    rant over.

    TLDR - Rehashing old arguments why open source software is at a competitive disadvantage to proprietary software.

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