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How Psychology Today Sees Richard Stallman (psychologytoday.com)

After our article about Richard Stallman's new video interview, Slashdot reader silverjacket shared this recent profile from Psychology Today that describes Richard Stallman's quest "to save us from a web of spyware -- and from ourselves." By using proprietary software, Stallman believes, we are forfeiting control of our computers, and thus of our digital lives. In his denunciation of all nonfree software as inherently abusive and unethical, he has alienated many possible allies and followers. But he is not here to make friends. He is here to save us from a software industry he considers predatory in ways we've yet to recognize... for Stallman, moralism is the whole point. If you write or use free software only for practical reasons, you'll stop when it's inconvenient, and freedom will disappear.
Stallman collaborator Eben Moglen -- a law professor at Columbia, as well as the FSF's general counsel -- assesses Stallman's legacy by saying "the idea of copyleft and the proposition that social and political freedom can't happen in a society without technological freedom -- those are his long-term meanings. And humanity will be aware of those meanings for centuries, whatever it does about them." The article also includes quotes from Linus Torvalds and Eric S. Raymond -- along with some great artwork.

In addition to insisting the reporter refer to Linux as "GNU/Linux," Stallman also required that the article describe free software without using the term open source, a phrase he sees as "a way that people who disagree with me try to cause the ethical issues to be forgotten." And he ultimately got Psychology Today to tell its readers that "Nearly all the software on our phones and computers, as well as on other machines, is nonfree or 'proprietary' software and is riddled with spyware and back doors installed by Apple, Google, Microsoft, and the like."

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  1. I used to think RMS was mad... by iMadeGhostzilla · · Score: 5, Insightful

    and I still do but I'm slowly accepting there's some wisdom in forcing the software we all rely on to be transparent.

    1. Re:I used to think RMS was mad... by vux984 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm sorry but I'm not going to listen to a guy who is fat, unemployed, doesn't shower...

      Textbook argumentum ad hominem.

      You didn't make an argument, you demonstrated you don't have one. If you want people to listen to YOU, it helps not to fail at basic logic.

      And seriously, think about what you just said: you'd advocate listening to a fit and sharply dressed flat-earther christian megachurch evangelist over an overweight unkempt genius like Einstein! Not only is your argument logically fallacious, its downright catastrophic.

    2. Re:I used to think RMS was mad... by hey! · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Now I try to stay away from Holocaust/WW2 comparisons, because that trivializes crimes against humanity, but I do try to draw lessons from them. And the most important is that ordinary people take their cues from what people around them seem to be OK with. All those war criminals who claimed they were personally appalled by the Final Solution but were just following orders weren't necessarily telling self-serving lies; internally people people are often conflicted, but externally you can count on them to conform.

      What makes Stallman irritating is his stubborn non-conformity, even in minor points. He always insists on discussing things on his terms, which is something everyone dislikes when it's turned on them. But his pig-headedness is not a valid reason to dismiss his concerns, particularly where you have concerns yourself and most especially in areas where you have concerns and yet somehow you find yourself going along.

      In a society where ordinary people are conforming with madness, it's only the crackpots who are sane.

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    3. Re:I used to think RMS was mad... by Pseudonym · · Score: 4, Funny

      As Yes Minister famously pointed out, this is an irregular verb.

      I have an independent mind.
      You are eccentric.
      He/she is batshit crazy.

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    4. Re:I used to think RMS was mad... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      We don't usually label somebody as mad who hasn't gone off the deep end.

      We often label people as mad because they stick to their principles and refuse to compromise.

      I have dealt with RMS many times, I don't care for him much as a person, and certainly wouldn't want him as a co-worker or roommate. But I admire his perseverance, consistency, and integrity.

    5. Re:I used to think RMS was mad... by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's all about trust. He looks and acts like the crazy guy who keeps taping home-made posters about the one world government and satan to utility poles and believes that every utility van is spying on him. First impressions count. If you really want to have the best chance of advancing your cause, you clean up your act so that people have some chance of identifying with you and are more ready to listen.

      Who would you trust more to watch your dog or your kids - Torvalds or Stallman? Who would you trust more not to embarrass you with their behaviour at a party? You never get a second chance to make a first impression.

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    6. Re:I used to think RMS was mad... by taiwanjohn · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Eccentric" is a term reserved for rich people who are batshit crazy.

      No, it simply means "unconventional and slightly strange"... which is certainly true of Stallman, whatever you may think of his relevance in any other aspect. As a longtime user of "GNU/Linux" (22 years and counting) I'm grateful for his contributions to "the cause" (whatever that may be). You may quibble about which license is "freer" but some people might think that level of scrutiny is a bit eccentric. Though I did try FreeBSD once, many years ago, it didn't work well for me. Maybe I'm just lazy... whatever.

      Bottom line: Linux just keeps getting better, and I never have to pay a dime for it. And I don't really worry about viruses (though I am careful about opening stray links anyway). And Stallman played a major role in making that possible. What have you or I or most other folks accomplished to rival that?

      What I wonder is, will the HURD ever overtake Linux as the de-facto kernel? I rather doubt it. But the rest of GNU is indispensable.

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    7. Re:I used to think RMS was mad... by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      FreeBSD was only held up because of lawsuits, and it's freer than anything under the GPL.

      FreeBSD is an also-ran which will never, ever have the popularity of Linux because of its license. Period, the end. It doesn't matter whether you're a contributor who hates the idea of having his code used against him or a corporation who hates the idea of their competitors taking their work and running with it and not having to give anything back, but the GPL is more attractive to more corporations than the BSD license, period. That's why there are so many more major contributors of both types to Linux than there are to BSD.

      You can bitch and whine about all the nefarious shit you would like to do with other people's code all day, but the simple fact is that the GPL is more popular than the BSD license because it preserves freedom for end users instead of for programmers. Since the computers exist to serve the users, and not the programmers, this is the way it should be. In olden times, any software you wrote on an IBM mainframe became the property of IBM. In modern times, IBM is a major contributor to Linux, because of the GPL. You can cry about the future until you are crushed by it, or you can grab onto the other side of the wheel and catch a lift.

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    8. Re:I used to think RMS was mad... by phantomfive · · Score: 5, Informative
      OK, now I was curious enough to actually look for examples of Einstein humor. To some degree, he has the sort of self-deprecating humor that you'd see in eastern Europe. Einstein humor quotes:

      You ask me if I keep a notebook to record my great ideas. I’ve only ever had one
      It's not that I'm so smart, it's just that I stay with problems longer.
      Any man who can drive safely while kissing a pretty girl is simply not giving the kiss the attention it deserves.
      If A equals success, then the formula is: A = X + Y + Z, X is work. Y is play. Z is keep your mouth shut.
      I never think of the future. It comes soon enough.

      Maybe that is the kind of Yiddish sense of humor, I don't know. It doesn't quite feel Russian to me (obviously it's not), too optimistic.

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    9. Re:I used to think RMS was mad... by arth1 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Who would you trust more to watch your dog or your kids - Torvalds or Stallman?

      RMS, without any doubt. Linus Torvalds has a pattern of exploding in bad temper.

    10. Re:I used to think RMS was mad... by jeremyp · · Score: 3, Insightful

      BSD licenses allow companies to add proprietary extensions and re-sell the software as proprietary, reducing the freedom of all of the people who use the modified software;

      This is not true. A company writing a closed source product based on BSD licensed code is not reducing anybody's freedom. Before the company wrote the proprietary software everybody was free to use and modify the original software. After they wrote the proprietary software, everybody is free to use and modify the original software. Also, people are free to use but not modify the proprietary software.

      With GPL, in the same situation, people have more freedom since the freedom to modify the "proprietary" software is added to the freedom to use it. However, with GPL, the software might not exist at all because the company can't sell it. Well, they can attempt to sell it but they can't prevent their customers from giving it away for free.

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  2. The reasonable man by PPH · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... adapts himself to the world;
    the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
    Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.

    - George Bernard Shaw

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  3. Stallman is RIGHT. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Nothing else matters. You can hate the man or feel inconvenienced by what he says. Nothing changes the simple fact that he's right.

  4. RMS is nuts but that doesn't make him wrong by sjbe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...and I still do but I'm slowly accepting there's some wisdom in forcing the software we all rely on to be transparent.

    RMS is a bit crazy and certainly could be fairly described as a fanatic. I also think he is a clumsy advocate, a terrible public speaker, and his arguments aren't always grounded in reality. He is too easy to dismiss as a loon by those who have an interest in doing so. That doesn't mean he's entirely wrong. While I think he goes off the deep end a bit with his moralizing but in practical terms he is quite right that there is a huge loss of value to society in allowing too much of our tools to be kept under lock and key.

    One of the great things about owning a drill press for example is that I can open it up and tinker with it if I feel the need. Nobody can tell me that I cannot. I might void a warranty but that's my choice and I can willingly take that risk. Heck I can even sell the modified device in most cases. But with most proprietary software I cannot do the equivalent tinkering. I can't open it up (figuratively speaking) and tweak the tool to my particular needs. Free (as in speech) software remedies this problem.

    I don't have a principled objection to the existence of all proprietary software but RMS is very correct that if we lack a large toolbox of software tools that we can modify and adapt and build upon then we are ultimately causing very real and measurable harm to society. Imagine where science would be today if scientists were prevented by law from sharing their discoveries. Imagine a world where tool makers weren't allowed to improve on or use tools made by others. Imagine if chemists couldn't share chemical formulas. We are at risk of the doing something incredibly stupid in making it too easy to prevent the sharing of mere instructions for machines. That's not a moral argument - it's a practical one. We're limiting our own economic future by having clumsy copyright and patent laws that allow a few to lock up much of what should be accessible to all.

    1. Re:RMS is nuts but that doesn't make him wrong by TeknoHog · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Imagine where science would be today if scientists were prevented by law from sharing their discoveries.

      I've got the impression that Free software is simply the scientific method applied to software. So it's not just the rantings of an eccentric for the past few decades, there's a few more centuries of tradition behind the general principle. But as everything in the world revolves more and more around proprietary software (including natural sciences, ironically), a little reminder won't hurt.

      I also agree that the Free scientific approach is an enormously practical one. I might even say that practicality is all that matters in the long run; morals are really just a short-term way of reminding people of long-term issues.

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  5. In some ways Stallman is right by Elfich47 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The issue Stallman has (software that is not under lock and key, can be freely modified and redistributed is good) but oh my god he needs to stop acting like the bearded freak show on the city corner on a soap box screaming THE END IS NIGH.

    Yes, spyware, malware, freakware, stealware is bad and open source software can help address these issues. But coming off as a loose cannon who is going to insult anyone who is not in lockstep alienates everyone you get within ten yards of. It also doesn't help that Stallman has a reputation as a misogynist, immediate turning off half the audience that could be sympathetic to the issue he is bringing up.

    Stallman is going to have to decide which is more important: The content of the message he wants to deliver or how he plans to deliver it. Eventually some other person is going to package the exact same Stallman is saying in a more palatable form for mass consumption. Come to think of it, its already occuring with mainstream Linux distributions. But eventually someone who is charismatic and how the technical background will supplant Stallman as the flag bearer for the "Purer open source" that will protect everyone.

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  6. i agree with RMS by FudRucker · · Score: 3, Insightful

    GNU/FOSS is the way to go if you want at least a reasonable sense of peace of mind as to what your PC or laptop is actually running, even if you dont audit the code yourself at least it is open source and the GNU/FOSS Open Source community can look though it. so if any bugs or strange behavior appears it can be fixed or if some dirty crook tries to sneak something nefarious in the software it will be found and routed out

    Kudos to RMS & Torvalds and the GNU/FOSS community at large

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  7. RMS is right about *some* things by sjbe · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Nothing else matters. You can hate the man or feel inconvenienced by what he says. Nothing changes the simple fact that he's right.

    I don't hate or love the man. Nothing he does inconveniences me in the least. But he's not "right" about everything. He does have many very valid points, quite a few of which are logically unassailable as far as I can tell. Tools that cannot be modified or improved are a serious hindrance to society. Human society was built on the ability to make, modify, improve, and share tools. The notion that we can write mere instructions for a machine that aren't allowed to be shared with anyone is a very dangerous and stupid idea. Imagine if scientists were prohibited from sharing discoveries and formulas and you get a good idea of the severity of the consequences.

    But he also makes the mistake of making it a moral argument in places where it clearly is not. Perhaps worse, he does so in places where a moral argument is unnecessary or even counterproductive. Morals vary from person to person and society to society. This allows people who do not share his moral belief system to dismiss him easily. Much of what RMS argues for can and should be argued from an economic perspective. RMS should explain it to people why it is in their own economic self interest to have free (as in speech) software. It's FAR more likely to be persuasive and the end result is the same - more people using free software. Economic self interest is a much stronger incentive to most people than abstract morals about tools that most people barely understand how to use much less build.

    I agree with RMS for the most part but let's take his work and improve on it just like he hopes we will do with code. He's done some good work but it's imperfect and its up to the rest of us to build on it and make it better.

  8. Persuasion by sjbe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why? Do arguments become more valid when presented by someone well groomed?

    Persuading people involves a great deal more than simply making an argument with airtight logic. If logic was all that mattered, organized religion would have died out centuries ago. Like it or not, how an argument is presented can often matter more than the argument itself. And yes this can extend to personal grooming habits at times. This is a concept that understandably tends to be an anathema to many engineers but it's provably true. It doesn't matter if he is factually right if no one is willing to listen to what he says. Personal grooming and presentation can matter greatly at times. There is a reason that salesmen tend to present a polished image with a friendly face - it works. There is a reason preachers in church are very good at public speaking and understand the value of ceremony and presentation. It's the sugar that helps the medicine go down.

    That said, the idiot who made the comment about grooming and toejam is an imbecile. Dismissing someone's idea out of hand because you dislike their appearance is idiotic and juvenile. Whether or not RMS presents himself well has zero bearing on whether what he is saying is correct.

  9. If he was in it for the glory he would have moved by Elfich47 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Anyone who stays in a particular field for 40 years has a calling. Anyone who is it for the glory would have already moved on. That isn't my point.

    To the uninitiated, Stallman comes off as screaming at clouds. Let me have a couple of thought exercises:

    1. To most people, their android/IOS/Windows/Mac machine does what they want it to do and they don't think about it much beyond that. They don't have the time or the energy to look under the hood and play with the engine. They just want it to work, and Windows and Mac does that. Yes, Linux has gotten *alot* friendlier in the last 20 years but it isn't going to hold your hand like Windows and Mac does. So (like it or not) convenience is winning the war. So when Stallman comes by screaming the "end is nigh", "proprietary software is bad" uneducated people look at him like a screamer. The alternatives are not perceived as useful or inconvenient, even if more secure. So he is fighting an uphill battle.

    2. Go watch people debate on the internet about a hot button political issue: Guns, Abortion, HealthCare, Taxation; You name it. It will quickly breakdown in to a couple of camps: The ProPeople and the ConPeople who will go at it all day and the WhyDon'tTheyShutUpPeople who might have been interested except someone who may have been friendly flamed them out of hand. Now change out Guns/Abortion and insert OpenSource or FreeSoftware. A lot of people get turned off by the zealotry and set it on ignore. Stallman's approach to people can be very inflammatory. I understand he has a specific message and is out to push that message. Without adjusting the presentation to account for the audience is like trying to teach Sanskrit to a pony. He has a reputation for insulting his audience or driving people away. I understand he is a purist, he is allowed to be a purist. But it turns alot of people off. Stallman wants people to go cold turkey and most people can't or won't do that.

    Bringing people around means you have to find some common ground and a place where these people are willing to change. Start with a web browser, mail reader or art program (FireFox, Thunderbird, Gimp) and get them comfortable with those changes. Introduce them to additional programs that can replace the proprietary programs they used day-in, day out. That means programs that can replace iTunes, Word for Windows and every other daily use program out there. These programs have to be the real deal. Open/Libre Office does not have 100% of the functionality of Word so it isn't a replacement. iTunes is even harder to replace-yes there are music/move players out there; until it also has a movie,music store that can also update your phone with music it will be a tier 2 product.

    rant over.

    TLDR - Rehashing old arguments why open source software is at a competitive disadvantage to proprietary software.

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