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FCC Says It Was Victim of Cyberattack After John Oliver Show (thehill.com)

On Sunday night, John Oliver urged his viewers to visit a website called "GoFCCYourself," which redirects users to a section of the FCC site where people can comment on the net neutrality proceeding. As a result, the FCC's site temporarily crashed. Now, it appears that the FCC is claiming its website has hit by a cyberattack late Sunday night. The Hill reports: "Beginning on Sunday night at midnight, our analysis reveals that the FCC was subject to multiple distributed denial-of-service attacks (DDos)," FCC chief information officer David Bray said in a statement Monday. "These were deliberate attempts by external actors to bombard the FCC's comment system with a high amount of traffic to our commercial cloud host." The FCC's comments site went down in 2014 after the first time Oliver rallied his audience in support of net neutrality. In that case, it was widely believed the site went down because of the amount of traffic generated in the wake of Oliver's show. But Bray on Monday said that this recent instance was caused by a cyberattack and not a flood of people trying to give input. "These actors were not attempting to file comments themselves; rather they made it difficult for legitimate commenters to access and file with the FCC," he said.

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  1. The Federal Communications Commission by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The Federal /Communications/ Commission could not handle the volume of communications they were receiving?

    Brilliant. And these people are supposed to be regulating the internet...

    1. Re:The Federal Communications Commission by lucm · · Score: 5, Informative

      Those two things are unrelated. It's perfectly acceptable for a public agency to scale its system to a realistic workload, not for some fluke peak, especially since they're using a cloud provider (where you can run quite a bill).

      The real scary thing is that they can't tell the difference between heavy load and a DDOS.

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    2. Re:The Federal Communications Commission by omnichad · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Total number of comments (so far) is only 184,650. If you're serving the American people and you can't handle even 1% of the population commenting on something over the course of maybe a week (extrapolated), you have failed. Sure, maybe half of these comments came in the first hour. But does that matter?

    3. Re:The Federal Communications Commission by Dunbal · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's perfectly acceptable for a public agency to scale its system to a realistic workload

      I dare you to look up what they billed the taxpayer for the website and compare it to the workload it can handle. Then let's talk "perfectly acceptable".

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    4. Re:The Federal Communications Commission by lucm · · Score: 5, Informative

      I dare you to look up what they billed the taxpayer for the website and compare it to the workload it can handle. Then let's talk "perfectly acceptable".

      I don't know the exact cost, but they actually took action to reduce their IT costs, as required by federal guidelines established under Obama:

      https://www.fcc.gov/general/fe...

      Basically they're moving all their stuff to the cloud. They already saved millions with that, you can get all the details in their budget review (which is public).

      The Commission made a concerted effort to curb the escalating IT operation and maintenance
      (O&M) costs back in FY 2014. Prior to FY 2014, the FCC faced ever-increasing costs in operating
      and maintaining its aging legacy IT systems. To counter these escalating O&M costs, the FCC IT
      team took the first bold step in early September 2015 by physically relocating over 200 different
      legacy servers from the FCC’s headquarters in Washington, D.C. to a commercially hosted federalcertified
      facility located in West Virginia. These servers contained almost 400 different program
      applications. By physically relocating these servers to a commercially hosted provider, not only
      will O&M costs be reduced, but it will also allow for improved resiliency and a shift of many legacy
      applications to the cloud, similar to the Commission’s Consumer Help Desk.
      In FY 2014, 86 percent of IT funding was utilized for O&M and only 14 percent was utilized for
      development, modernization, and enhancements (DME). Those percentages are expected to change
      to 49 percent O&M and 51 percent DME by the end of FY 2017. The savings that will be realized
      on the O&M side will be redirected to delivering new capabilities.

      https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_pub...

      To put things in perspective: the entire FCC budget is 380 millions. They have 1800 employees, which already eats about half of that budget. Then there's buildings, power/heating/cooling, furniture, copiers, etc. They're not cheap, but I've worked on project in the private sector where more money that than was wasted on failed ERP initiatives.

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    5. Re:The Federal Communications Commission by kelarius · · Score: 5, Interesting

      He didn't think it was perfectly acceptable to spend two billion dollars on a website that hardly ever worked, he expected a working program. It's also exceedingly disingenuous to imply that the money was all spent on the website, that money was spent to stand up the entire damn program, from the website to inter-agency connections to the assholes answering the damn phones.

      But hey, you just keep throwing your bullshit around, maybe someone might buy it.

      Back on topic, I would like to see some proof that a DDoS occurred before everyone gets on the "OMG THE GUBMENT WAS HAXXORED" bandwagon. Let's not forget that this is EXACTLY what happened in 2014 the last time Oliver asked everyone to go leave comments, and I don't recall anyone classifying that as a DDoS.

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    6. Re:The Federal Communications Commission by flopsquad · · Score: 5, Funny

      The US government no longer represents the people.

      Shit, you're still using the old talking points they passed out in case Hillary got elected. Didn't you hear Trump won? The government is for the people bigly now. You've never seen a government so "for the people"—it's the most representative.

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    7. Re:The Federal Communications Commission by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That's the number of people who successfully submitted a comment. If the site was failing, presumably a lot of people attempting to connect were unable to submit a comment, and therefore unable to be counted.

      Of course, never attribute to innocent error what can be attributed to malice - maybe the failure of ability to register comments was intentional.

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    8. Re:The Federal Communications Commission by Maritz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Less than half of what you said. Is it working now, by the way? You forgot to say. You just said it 'never worked'. It's not like you're trying to put a spin on these things, is it? Someone more suspicious than me might start to get that idea.

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    9. Re: The Federal Communications Commission by Maritz · · Score: 2

      Read parent again, really slowly. Several times. Eventually, you might come to see - he is being fucking sarcastic.

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    10. Re:The Federal Communications Commission by Maritz · · Score: 2

      I'm more than a little surprised that they didn't just label it terrorism.

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    11. Re:The Federal Communications Commission by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      The real scary thing is that they can't tell the difference between heavy load and a DDOS.

      The typically scary thing is that red people like you will rant about how incompetent they are until they are blue in the face without actually knowing whether they were DDoS'd or not.

      How's about this, kiddo: Why don't you wait until you have some evidence either way before you start pointing fingers and shaking them? This is what your kind always claims to care about when we talk about things. Act like it.

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    12. Re: The Federal Communications Commission by flopsquad · · Score: 2

      Read parent again, really slowly. Several times. Eventually, you might come to see - he is being fucking sarcastic.

      Read parent again, really slowly. Several times. Eventually, you might come to see - he is being fucking sarcastic.

      Looks like it's Reddit comments all the way down, boys!

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  2. IOW, the FCC site can't take a good Slashdotting. by MAXOMENOS · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Remember when people used to call this phenomenon Slashdot Effect?

    On a more serious note, is the Trump Administration now going to call Slashdot Effect an "attack," and if so, how is this not a sign of them ramping up the authoritarianism?

  3. This is actually creepy by rsilvergun · · Score: 4, Insightful

    saying they were attacked instead of the obvious truth (that they were overwhelmed by demand) is the kind of thing I'd expect from the Iraqi ministry of information, not the US Government.

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    1. Re:This is actually creepy by Fire_Wraith · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Regardless, it goes to show just how badly their (as in the Trump administration/etc) refusal to tell the truth on so many things reflects on them, that the first thing we think of when we hear them say that is "Oh, bullsh*t".

    2. Re:This is actually creepy by lucm · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What's really creepy is that once again, a majority of liberals take their news from a comedy show and a majority of conservatives take their news from the Twitter feed of a reality TV star turned President.

      We're really heading into Idiocracy territory.

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    3. Re:This is actually creepy by HeckRuler · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Eh, I'd say that the comeback is "and the majority of conservatives take their news from angry talk show hosts". Trumps twitter is a recent thing. This has been going on for decades.

      It's not like... the ONLY news source most of them get is either news comedy or new... rage-induction? Some sure do, but most people on both sides probably get their news from a variety of sources. ...But those sources ALSO include comedians and hate-mongers.

      It's honestly hard to change your views on something, so the first time you hear about a topic is the most vital when it comes to bias and presumptions in all later development.

      It really is Idiocracy territory.

    4. Re: This is actually creepy by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Your mistake is in thinking it it's a comedy show. It is one of the only legitimate news outlets actually. The others are comedy masquerading as news. Oliver's show outs news masquerading as comedy.

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    5. Re:This is actually creepy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      but most people on both sides probably get their news from a variety of sources

      Not so much. Conservatives are tightly clustered around Fox. Liberals are much more omnivorous.

      This result is likely due to Fox prioritizing pandering over accuracy because pandering makes money.

  4. Re:IOW, the FCC site can't take a good Slashdottin by lucm · · Score: 4, Informative

    Remember when people used to call this phenomenon Slashdot Effect?

    On a more serious note, is the Trump Administration now going to call Slashdot Effect an "attack," and if so, how is this not a sign of them ramping up the authoritarianism?

    the FCC is not the same thing as the Trump administration. They are independent and can't have more than 3/5 of their commissioners coming from the same party, and they are nominated for terms longer than the president's.

    Doesn't mean they are competent. But it's not Trump.

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  5. chain of command by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Public to FCC: We like Net Neutrality
    FCC to Trump: A lot of people like Net Neutrality
    Trump to Putin: Too much pushback from public on our plan to gut Net Neutrality.
    Putin to Hackers: Kill their network.
    Hackers to FCC: DoS DoS DoS DoS DoS DoS DoS DoS..

  6. RTFS by Stormy+Dragon · · Score: 5, Informative

    The FCC isn't saying accusing John Oliver of launching a cyber attack, they're same some third party launched an attack to stop John Oliver's audience from being able to leave comments.

  7. Humor is good at dispelling fear by caseih · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Except that comedy news shows actually tend to be rather intelligent and their humor is often quite smart. And the shows I watch seem to make fun of politicians on all sides. It's entertaining as well as thought-provoking. Anything that can shed light on the dark places using humor (as in actual humor) is a very good thing indeed.

    I think, though, that some powerful figures in this world really don't like humor. Maybe because humor itself dispels fear, and fear is what some are trying to pedal for whatever reason.

    1. Re:Humor is good at dispelling fear by lucm · · Score: 2

      You find them funny because your share their view. Go on Fox News and watch "Miller Time" with Dennis Miller. He's very intelligent and his humor is smart, but if you happen to be a liberal you won't like him. The thing is, for one Dennis Miller there's 20 Colbert.

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    2. Re:Humor is good at dispelling fear by caseih · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't always share their view. Perhaps not even mostly.

      I'm sure I agree that Dennis Miller is intelligent and his humor is erudite. I can recognize that and agree with you on that while disagreeing with his point of view. His humor, along with the humor of many others still helps to dispel fear, which is good. I haven't watched much TV in ages, so I'm unfamiliar with Miller but I will watch out for his clips on youtube. If one has a good sense of humor you can like a person without agreeing with him or her.

      I don't see very much true humor coming out the current administration, I must confess, which worries me. Just a lot of thin-skinned people, which is increasingly becoming the norm in public discourse.

      I didn't agree with much of what Bush did during his administration, but he did have a fairly warm sense of humor, even if he sometimes lacked nuance and maybe even competence. I found Obama's humor to be very good also and worked to his benefit. I really enjoyed watching the interview he did with Destin on Smarter Every Day (who is certainly not a liberal). I digress.

    3. Re:Humor is good at dispelling fear by modmans2ndcoming · · Score: 3, Informative

      Trumps family name was Drumpf and he was bringing light to his Obama birther nonsense.

    4. Re:Humor is good at dispelling fear by gumbi+west · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I take it you never watched these shows. Stewart and Colbert would totally gore a Democrat for hypocrisy. I have watched Oliver less so I don't know about him. As for now the government is entirely Republican controlled (with a majority / control of all three branches), so Democrats are largely irrelevant and I don't really care what about comments about Democrats or what they are doing. They will next be relevant in 2018 when there is an election.

    5. Re:Humor is good at dispelling fear by Maritz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What was Oliver's blind spot for this net neutrality segment? He didn't even mention party affiliation.

      I suspect Rakarra doesn't like Mr Oliver or his show or his opinions, and therefore Mr Oliver is one-eyed and biased. If he agreed with Rakarra, then he would be unbiased. So it appears.

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  8. Or ... they did not plan for 350 million by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 2

    Ever think they only plan for the 1 percent, and never for the 99 percent?

    FCC works for Russia.

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  9. Attack on democracy by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 5, Insightful

    saying they were attacked instead of the obvious truth (that they were overwhelmed by demand) is the kind of thing I'd expect from the Iraqi ministry of information, not the US Government.

    Waitaminute...

    Didn't we just hear a raft of comments about how the left is evidence-based, using the scientific method in all that?

    Something about the EPA replacing half the scientists on a policy board with industry experts?

    How is labelling something an "obvious truth" with no evidence to the contrary any different from "there are no facts any more"?

    The *very probable* explanation is that someone heard John Oliver's screed, realized that many people were going to post opinions to the FCC website, and DDOS'd the site to prevent these people from registering an opinion.

    Of all the stupid things people say that are attacks on democracy, this one actually *is* an attack on democracy.

    A DDOS to prevent public feedback is much more serious than the base issue, and might become more prevalent in the future.

    Perhaps we should be discussing that.

  10. Mistaking a large # of people by presidenteloco · · Score: 5, Insightful

    checking out the comment section as suggested on the show for an automated botnet DDOS attack kind of just paints the FCC leadership as technoramouses (contraction of "technology ignoramous").

    Just the kind of duffoons you want deciding on tech regulation policy.

    "The Trump Administration - Preparing America for a Knowledge Freedom Economy"

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    1. Re:Mistaking a large # of people by Rakarra · · Score: 4, Insightful

      checking out the comment section as suggested on the show for an automated botnet DDOS attack kind of just paints the FCC leadership as technoramouses (contraction of "technology ignoramous").

      Why are we just leaping to the conclusion that it couldn't actually be a DDOS?
      We have no idea. We're just assuming it was heavy traffic and saying "herp derp, FCC are dullards."
      It's just impossible that someone might have watched the John Oliver segment and took it as an opportunity to launch a DDOS?

    2. Re:Mistaking a large # of people by Obfuscant · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why are we just leaping to the conclusion that it couldn't actually be a DDOS?

      Because the FCC being incompetent to deal with IT issues is fodder for conspiracies and part of the current anti-administration dialog, while it being the target of a DDoS isn't.

  11. Maybe they WERE attacked. by GameboyRMH · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Maybe while John Oliver was telling people to submit their comments to the FCC en masse, some group that didn't want the people's opinion to get through to the FCC simultaneously launched a DDoS attack on their site...it's possible.

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    1. Re:Maybe they WERE attacked. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Couldn't the FCC claim there was a cyber attack so they don't have to accept any massive public outcry, that may have also conveniently overwhelmed their system?

  12. Difficult for Legitimate Commenters by Sir+Realist · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "These actors were not attempting to file comments themselves; rather they made it difficult for legitimate commenters to access and file with the FCC,"

    And so it is important to note, as difficult as it has been for legitimate commenters, that the 180,000-plus comments that they have received, as of this writing, are presumably a small fraction of the actual number of people who attempted to comment on the issue.

  13. Bullshit detector triggered by easyTree · · Score: 2

    "It's not that there's massive interest in this key issue, it's that a few individuals are simulating massive interest..."

    Maybe you're convincing yourselves?

  14. FCC forgot what ISPs did to Netflix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Seriously, the new guy at the head of the FCC said there was never any example of ISPs depriotizing traffic to services in favor of their own stuff... Well the crap that happened with Netflix, where a few ISPs in the US throttled the access speed of Netflix to an unwatchable level, until they came to a paid "agreement" and suddenly, at the flip of a switch, Netflix loaded just fine... As if we are to believe they truly allocated "more" bandwidth to Netflix instead of just "giving it the normal amount of bandwidth it should've had in the first place".

  15. Alas, the FCC shows little independence by davecb · · Score: 5, Informative

    The FCC, immediately after Mr. Trump's election, cancelled their existing plans and awaited new dirction from Mr Pai. They' were designed to be independent, but aren't.

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    1. Re:Alas, the FCC shows little independence by davecb · · Score: 2

      They have some good techies according to Dave Taht && Vint Cerf, but the bosses are appointed, and have this odd, "pointy" harirdo (;-))

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  16. They didn't forget by tekrat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They intentionally misrepresented (aka lied) the facts, because we now live in a fact-free country. They are manipulating their data because the FCC chairman doesn't want net neutrality because he a shilling for Verizon et al.

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  17. Typical by Sperbels · · Score: 2

    This administration doesn't care what you think. Whenever people speak out about something the government is doing, they deny people are upset and go ahead and do it anyway. Don't like the ACA replacement? Wait a couple of weeks, then say you've fixed it and rush it through before anyone reads it. Don't like the fact that they're selling the internet off to Comcast? It was just a DDOS attack. Nobody actually complained. This is so typical of Republicans...they claim the open market will fix everything, then they auction off a monopoly to the highest bidder.

  18. Re:And remember... by toadlife · · Score: 2

    Actually we just want them to pay for the medical care, and use their leverage to control costs, just like almost every other modern country on the planet. Providers should remain in the private sector.

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  19. Re:Trump Never Laughs by Dog-Cow · · Score: 2

    Good comedians are self-deprecating, at least on-stage. Trump is so thin-skinned, it's rather amazing it's not completely transparent.

  20. Re:Trump Never Laughs by Maritz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When you're a narcissistic psychopath, most shit just ain't that funny.

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  21. Re:IOW, the FCC site can't take a good Slashdottin by thegarbz · · Score: 3, Informative

    Doesn't mean they are competent. But it's not Trump.

    Is that why they are massively backpedaling net neutrality at the behest of their new boss?