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Spotify Used 'Pirate' MP3 Files In Its Early Days: Report (torrentfreak.com)

According to Rasmus Fleischer, one of the early The Pirate Bay figures, Spotify used unlicensed music in its early days. From a report: "Spotify's beta version was originally a pirate service. It was distributing MP3 files that the employees happened to have on their hard drives," he reveals. Rumors that early versions of Spotify used 'pirate' MP3s have been floating around the Internet for years. People who had access to the service in the beginning later reported downloading tracks that contained 'Scene' labeling, tags, and formats, which are the tell-tale signs that content hadn't been obtained officially. Solid proof has been more difficult to come by but Fleischer says he knows for certain that Spotify was using music obtained not only from pirate sites, but the most famous pirate site of all.

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  2. Wow... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    https://news.slashdot.org/stor...

    Almost like this was a planted counter article...

  3. Hearsay. by Holi · · Score: 4, Interesting

    When your proof is restricted to " but Fleischer says he knows for certain " you have no proof and you should probably refrain from slandering a company with more lawyers then you.

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    1. Re:Hearsay. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "than" you, genius.

    2. Re:Hearsay. by ganjadude · · Score: 0

      its a safe bet that all the services started off that way unless set up by a record label/artist themselves

      having said that, to use a line from hillary clinton "what difference, at this point, does it make!!!?!??!" That was how long ago now???

      next up, napster was a pirate site before it wasnt????

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    3. Re:Hearsay. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If Spotify had a licence to distribute the music, then it doesn't matter where they obtained it from.

      Gog.com often uses cracks from cracking groups to break the DRM in games that they sell. They are allowed to do so because they have a licence to sell those games and the cracking groups have no legal claim to the cracked executables, even though they worked on them.

    4. Re:Hearsay. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OTOH it would hardly be surprising if it were true.

      Heck, Netflix used pirated subtitles.
      Of course that shouldn't be surprising and ideally not discouraged. Fan-made translations tend to be more accurate and flow better than whatever translations are provided by the studios.
      Since they are protected by copyright you can't legally compete by providing better subtitles.

      I wouldn't mind if streaming sites just got the licensing from the copyright holder and then used pirate sites to get hold of high quality data suitably encoded for streaming.

  4. shocking! by rogoshen1 · · Score: 0

    Rare form for the record labels! Think of all the revenue they could have lost out on had they stuck to their tried and true tactics? (that is shutting down spotify with a series of lawsuits)

    They're slipping towards survival apparently.

  5. The evidence by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So, despite my sig, I browsed TFA.

    It appears the only evidence provided is that one artist who had chosen to distribute via The Pirate Bay turned up on Spotify. Oh, and also a Pirate Bay dude saying "oh yeah, I know this is a fact".

    That argument seems kind of tenuous. It's like saying that all of my music was downloaded from artists' websites simply because I own Radiohead's "In Rainbows".

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  6. Yawn by Bucc5062 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And we care...why?

    At this point is is one of the top music sites, loved by millions. SOmehow I really doubt any of those millions will go "Oh Fuck. God, now I can't listen to Spotify any more because they cheated in the beginning. Back to 45s for me".

    Now a better story would have been of Spotify used the blood of RIAA executives to perform a dark ritual that helped them get the funding they needed to make it a viable business.

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    1. Re:Yawn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't subscribe to it and I certainly don't plan to support businesses that grew successful through illegal means.

    2. Re:Yawn by Lab+Rat+Jason · · Score: 2

      You should pitch this to the MPAA... I'd pay money to see that!

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    3. Re:Yawn by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      I certainly don't plan to support businesses that grew successful through illegal means.

      He says as he hops into his Uber for the ride to his AirBnB

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    4. Re:Yawn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      is there any other kind?

    5. Re:Yawn by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      he says as he browses TPB.....

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    6. Re:Yawn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      TPB isn't pretending to pay artists.

    7. Re:Yawn by DickBreath · · Score: 1

      Maybe you mean RIAA.

      MPAA = Motion Picture Asshats of America
      RIAA = Recording Industry Assclowns of America

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    8. Re:Yawn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And why does it matter? If they were legally allowed to stream it, does it matter where it came from? Even if they could legally prove the files were pirated, what legal action would/could anyone take against them?

    9. Re:Yawn by brewthatistrue · · Score: 1

      It's actually pretty interesting if true since it is yet another example of a useful service that followed the "first get popular then get permission" model and would not have made it to profitability if it had to go through all the proper legal channels.

      Youtube, did it and it worked (bought by Google).
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/....

      Imeem did it and got popular, but sold itself to Myspace to avoid the legal hole it dug itself into.
      https://www.cnet.com/news/repo...

      By contrast, Grooveshark was sued into oblivion (bought by no one).
      https://arstechnica.com/tech-p...

    10. Re:Yawn by TRRosen · · Score: 1

      there was nothing illegal about this. The source does not matter in the least.

    11. Re:Yawn by EMN13 · · Score: 1

      With his microsoft OS running on an intel chip...

    12. Re:Yawn by vlad30 · · Score: 1

      a piece of advice from a billionaire " Go legal as soon as you can afford to pay for everything legally,not sooner" you would be surprised at how many rich people started with illegal or pirate type organisations including whole countries, see privateer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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    13. Re:Yawn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did it really work for Youtube? Some dudes got rich, yeah. They serve billions of views, cool. But they never turned profit even in the best of times. And with so much Google/Alphabet capital burned on just maintaining the fragile edifice of an online video monopoly, something like the current corporate boycott could represent an extinction-level event.

  7. Just lile 99% of all shoutcast stations by future+assassin · · Score: 1, Informative

    back in the day. Media companies grew on the backs of and money stolen from music artists.

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    1. Re:Just lile 99% of all shoutcast stations by clonehappy · · Score: 1

      back in the day. Media companies grew on the backs of and money stolen from record labels.

      FTFY. There wasn't shit to be made on those pissant streams back then, so once the labels took their cut of whatever they would have gotten, the artists would have seen shit.

      Now that new media companies are maturing, many of those artists actually are seeing some money. I can't cry too much over someone who is essentially a pimp losing out on a little cash in the beginning only to make a shit-ton more from it later.

  8. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My thoughts exactly. Oh if only for a bit more transparency - I have no idea who to trust or support anymore. Dumped my Amazon and Comcast accounts recently though - feels good!

  9. Similar challenges when XM Radio was starting by jas.powell · · Score: 2

    I worked in IT at XM when it launched and we spent a lot of time hunting down these shadow-IT caches of of MP3s. Mad props to them for taking it seriously even back 16 years ago.

  10. So what.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This doesn't change that they have been legit since.
    Just like how Napster went "legit" after being a pirate software for years.

  11. Uh yeah? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This was a scandal in the news years ago when they got popular. This therefore is not news today, move along people.

  12. Well, isn't it legal? by jopsen · · Score: 0

    So are we even sure it's not legal...

    As long as you pay license fees who cares where you get the recording?

    1. Re:Well, isn't it legal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The record company - they also want the fees from wherever/whoever you got the recording.

    2. Re:Well, isn't it legal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is between the recording companies and whomever was distributing their recordings. It has nothing to do with Spotify.

  13. Fuck pandora by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I use TIDAL , where i sniff many vaginas for a fair monthly rate

    1. Re:Fuck pandora by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

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  14. Tags don't matter, licensing does. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If they acquired the license to the music, but obtained the music from an unofficial source, they still have the right to distribute it.

    1. Re:Tags don't matter, licensing does. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kinda funny that even though they were paying the big bucks even they couldn't get a usable official copy.

  15. Breaking News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Programmers used convenient files for early phase testing, film at eleven. I'm shocked, shocked to find that downloading is going on in here!

  16. Honestly not surprised. by 91degrees · · Score: 1

    If you want to give them money, there's usually someone willing to talk to you.

    If you want something from them; like, for example, adequate quality mp3 files, you just need to fill in these 32 forms, get authorisation from 17 different departments, one of which was abolished 5 years ago, and once you manage that, you get a mono WMA file recorded at 8kHz.

  17. I bloody hate Spotify by mooterSkooter · · Score: 1

    ...I installed the linux version of this a couple of days ago so I could see what people at my old job are listening to (we had a shared playlist that everyone could add to). All went well and I could see they were (still) listening to crap music. But later I started getting facebook crap in my inbox and I deactivated that rubbish years ago. It seems that it cheekily reactivates facebook. Not happy at all.

    1. Re:I bloody hate Spotify by enjar · · Score: 1

      You can sign up with just an email.
      If you signed up with Facebook and just want to use an email, they will break the connection to Facebook and bring over anything for you.

      https://support.spotify.com/us...

  18. There is no such thing as a "Pirate" MP3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As long as you properly pay for the usage it does not matter where it came from.