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The Reign of the $100 Graphing Calculator Required By Every US Math Class Is Finally Ending (engadget.com)

If you took a math class at some point in the US, there is likely a bulky $100 calculator gathering dust somewhere in your closet. Fast forward to today, and the Texas Instruments 84 -- or the TI 84-Plus, or the TI-89 or any of the other even more expensive hardware variants -- is quickly losing relevance. Engadget adds: Thanks to a new deal, they'll soon get a free option. Starting this spring, pupils in 14 US states will be able to use the TI-like Desmos online calculator during standardized testing run by the Smarter Balanced consortium. "We think students shouldn't have to buy this old, underpowered device anymore," Desmos CEO Eli Luberoff said. The Desmos calculator will be embedded directly into the assessments, meaning students will have access during tests with no need for an external device. It'll also be available to students in grades 6 through 8 and high school throughout the year. The calculator is free to use, and the company makes money by charging organizations to use it, according to Bloomberg.

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  1. Free? Or Not Free? by dj245 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The calculator is free to use, and the company makes money by charging organizations to use it, according to Bloomberg.

    Sounds like it is not free to me.

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  2. TI has coasted for long enough. by dslauson · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They've had a good run of doing nothing and not updating their hardware or software in any kind of meaningful way for the past couple decades. No other company would have been so neglectful to such a profitable product line.

    1. Re:TI has coasted for long enough. by green1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't think it's the lack of updating the product that did it in, there's no way they could have realistically competed with the average smartphone. In fact, they haven't been able to compete with the average smart phone for many years now.

      What TI apparently failed to do was update their brib^H^H^H^Hlobbying. After all this was a government mandated profit stream, you have to work to maintain those!

    2. Re:TI has coasted for long enough. by Solandri · · Score: 2

      HP quit the scientific calculator business in 2003. Til then, they were the main competitor with TI for the high-end calculator business. TI has had a free ride since then.

      I use an HP48 emulator on my smartphone. But I can understand students being upset about classes requiring a TI calculator because the teachers ban smartphones during tests. I remember when the HP28C was first released, some enterprising students figured out a way to use its IR transmitter/receiver to communicate with each other during tests. In response, subsequent models had a crippled IR receiver with very limited range.

    3. Re:TI has coasted for long enough. by TWX · · Score: 2

      Hell, I'd argue that as a mostly-single-task device it did that one task very well and didn't do very well things that made it easy to cheat on tests.

      Sure it was possible to type-in cheat sheets, but the end user of the calculator had to do a fair amount of work to create cheat sheets that were meaningful to them. That in itself helps the student learn.

      Yes, there were games on the TI82/83/84, but they were not terribly good games, and they did not offer enough distraction to blow-off one's homework entirely to play the games.

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    4. Re:TI has coasted for long enough. by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 2, Informative

      They've had a good run of doing nothing and not updating their hardware or software in any kind of meaningful way for the past couple decades. No other company would have been so neglectful to such a profitable product line.

      You don't understand, nor do those who upvoted you. TI has been updating their product lines all along, and that's the problem. What???!!?!?

      The newer, better calculators have all sorts of wonderful features, like the ability to totally cheat in several ways. Ultimately, they can store text, so kids can put all kinds of stuff on there.

      The TI-84 was basically the last calculator that they made which is good for helping students with calculation but not with cheating.

      https://www.washingtonpost.com...

      “We have to keep evolving on this platform, but it can’t be innovation for the sake of innovation,” said Peter Balyta, president of Texas Instruments’ calculator division. “While it’s tempting for us to build in WiFi, Bluetooth, audio, a camera, a whole bunch of things, we could do, but teachers don’t want us to. And it’s because we want to have a tool that kids can use in a classroom, on their way home, at home when they’re doing homework and also a tool they can bring in during their most important exam.”

      That last line is the key.

      This shouldn't be news here, by the way:

      https://news.slashdot.org/stor...

    5. Re:TI has coasted for long enough. by omnichad · · Score: 2

      They could compete on price if they wanted to. If they were $10-20, I would buy one just to have dedicated hardware buttons and a separate screen. Maybe I'd own 1 or 2. As it is, I have no need. Your average $8 greeting card has as much horsepower as these things - they should just admit it and drop the price to where it belongs.

    6. Re:TI has coasted for long enough. by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      I don't think it's the lack of updating the product that did it in, there's no way they could have realistically competed with the average smartphone.

      The feature set of the graphing calculator is its lack of feature set. While the most determined students will find ways to use it to cheat, most students won't, because you can't google on it. (I'm sure someone will come up with a counterexample now. But you get the point.)

      However, with computer-proctored examinations now being commonplace, there's no real need for students to actually carry a computer into the classroom. There's already a computer there. This approach makes a lot more sense, and what's more, it can reasonably be replaced by a competing alternative. Let's say you used WabbitEmu and KnightOS to provide an emulated TI-86. The students could use the same software at home and on their Android device for free and then you could provide them with the emulated calculator on the exam system so that they had no opportunity to program goodies into the calculator that they no longer have to pay for.

      It does seem like a lot of tests are now specifically web-proctored, so having a specifically web-embeddable calculator is no doubt of significant value. I looked around briefly and didn't find anything open source and web-based, but perhaps you could somehow run the aforementioned software in the browser.

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  3. It's about time! by green1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A couple of decades ago it almost made sense, but now that every student has a more powerful device in their pocket already, it's ridiculous that they've been forced to shell out so much money for such an antiquated device.

    1. Re:It's about time! by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

      I have Maxima on my phone. I could even add Octave if I wanted, but the use case for that is somewhat less clear. (There's also the Xcas Pad, but I'm slightly less comfortable with using it, even if it is largely compatible with my HP Prime.)

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    2. Re:It's about time! by MBGMorden · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think to some degree though the "antiquated device" is a an anti-cheating tool. A smartphone is so powerful that it's hard to allow them in a classroom without rampant cheating being easily accomplished. I mean heck you could even send pictures of questions to another person and have them doing them and sending answers back.

      With a graphing calculator you're limited to at most unapproved programs (or storing equations into the programming mode).

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    3. Re:It's about time! by Albanach · · Score: 2

      Even then, it was been a problem. Casio have offered competitively priced calculators for decades that are approved for all the major tests.

      Teachers however know how to use a TI calculator and therefore won't allow or actively discourage the use of the cheaper alternative.

  4. Re:Free? Or Not Free? by The+MAZZTer · · Score: 2

    It may be free for personal use, but in a commercial or educational environment it may require a license,

  5. Re:Meh. by hawguy · · Score: 2

    I don't think I've actually ever used a graphing calculator, but I do *require* one that uses RPN, which pretty much means HP...

    On Android, I've been pretty satisfied with RealCalc as an RPN calculator (no graphing though). I used to use some HP-48 emulator, but found RealCalc easier to use on my phone. I lost my real HP-48 in a move once... it may still be packed away in a box somewhere. My venerable HP-15C was stolen from my car years ago, I've been tempted to buy a new used one, but $200+ is a lot to spend on a something I use so rarely.

  6. Slide Rule by MountainLogic · · Score: 5, Funny

    I'm waiting for a kid to get expelled for bringing in his grandfather's real slide rule because the slide rule is an unauthorized "cheating device" not covered by a school board approved EULA.

  7. Whats wrong with a $10 calculator? by Murdoch5 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You don't need more than a $10, simple, scientific calculator, it will have all the features you need. Instead of giving kids a tool that prevents them from learning the concepts, why not have them learn the concepts and provide them a simple tool to help them along the way.

    When I took calculus, advanced calculus, and vector calculus, we weren't allowed to have a calculator in the classroom or exams, because once you got the equation you needed, in the right form, the answer didn't matter. This is how every child should learn math.

    Even in engineering school, I don't remember actually needing my calculator for very much, besides crunching a final answer, which was a very small amount of the overall work.

    1. Re:Whats wrong with a $10 calculator? by Murdoch5 · · Score: 2

      I agree with your final statement, but that's it. Of course the final answer matters, but if you got the point where you just need to plug in the numbers to get your answer, then use your calculator, but if you needed handholding to get to that point, then I don't want to drive on that bridge.

  8. Re:Free? Or Not Free? by mnmn · · Score: 2

    It's free like Free Software but not Open-source Software.

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  9. Obligitory XKCD by jfdavis668 · · Score: 4, Interesting
  10. and so now the network / internet need to be up fo by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 2

    and so now the network / internet need to be up for the test??

    If it drops will they add time even if they need to keep kids late?

    Will an network drop force you to start over?

    Will kids put down fun still like 404 error on there test?

  11. Re:Sounds like a step backwards by Nukenbar · · Score: 2

    It is now common practice to do a full memory reset just before any standardized examination.

  12. Invasion Of Privacy by cstacy · · Score: 2

    So now they can watch you actually push the buttons on the calculator in real time.

    I am sure this will be mined for scientific research about how students
    solve particular wordings of problems in a testing environment.
    It will also be used for R&D purposes by the SaaS company,
    and ultimately for marketing purposes.

    The information will not be adequately protected.
    And most importantly, the human subjects have not really given informed consent.
    Which makes me wonder what other information is already being collected.

    Bob took 4:39 to solve problem number 117, and here was his approach.
    Bob is therefore highly qualified for problem categories 114-A and 96-Y,
    but performs poorly along the 191 axis of all problems with time limit G.
    If the problem involves "donuts" his performance goes up by 0.3 %.

    You always knew this would be on your Permanent Record,
    don't say you weren't warned.

  13. Re:Sounds like a step backwards by sbrown7792 · · Score: 2

    Then when it was time for exams, we wrote the formulas we were supposed to memorise into programs on the calculator.

    Same. Gave me my most valuable lesson in programming. I made a helper program on my calculator and distributed it to a few friends who distributed it to their friends, and so on. The program had a few options (depending on what was being asked, how the question was worded, etc.), prompted the user for the 'givens', and printed the result neatly in the center of the screen. Being young and naive, I simply wrote the result to the screen with an offset, then wrote a few blank spaces over the ten-thousandths and hundred-thousandths spot to make the result appear centered.

    The exam question asked for the answer to be rounded to the thousandths place, and guess what? The thousandths place had to be rounded up, which of course no-one knew because the display simply truncated the result without rounding.

    Whole class got that question wrong except me (spent so long making the program that muscle memory meant it was quicker for me to do the math manually).

    Lesson learned: if you want people to stop bugging you for stuff, give them wrong information. No-one asked to use my programs in that class ever again!

  14. Not underpowered by thegarbz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What more power could you want for a device that instantly spits out the answer you give it? The TI calculators aren't underpowered in the slightest, they are simply over priced.

    As for "bulky" the vast majority of the size is made up of lovely big and easy to use buttons. I don't think any device would be better served with a context menu and a touchscreen or god forbid endless amounts of whitespace with every useful function buried somewhere 4 menus deep without context of where in in the system you currently are.

  15. Re:Sounds like a step backwards by OhPlz · · Score: 3, Funny

    Which is why the TI-85 was better than the TI-81. You could fake the reset screen perfectly.

  16. Re:it's not $127 by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 4, Funny

    a hot air balloon ride.

    Is that a euphemism? It's so hard to keep up with the lingo...

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  17. RaspPi ? by DrYak · · Score: 2

    It is now common practice to do a full memory reset just before any standardized examination.

    I'm wondering :
    Nowadays with extremely powerful (relatively to calculators) CPUs available in very small form factors -
    has anyone attempted to built one (say a RaspPi Zero) inside a calculator sell,
    programmed to mimick the "exam mode memory reset" in a believable way, but then unleash all its potential to the end user (full blown programmability, ability to use modern math language like R, Octave, Maxima, etc. Scripting with Python/Perl)?

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  18. "Rich" kids will still buy the calculator by KalvinB · · Score: 2

    There is not much substitute for the ease of entering in equations the way you see them written in books than the TI line of calculators.

    Rather than schools spending $100 to get a physical device that will last decades, they've been roped in by Pearson's (of course) to a subscription model.

    So now instead of having a small dedicated device that's exceptional at doing math and will last 20-30 years, you get to have a bulky laptop and internet connection and subscription.

    Which somehow is cheaper for schools than buying TI calculators.

    TI doesn't upgrade the calculators much because again, they're intended to last decades. They're not in the business of making things obsolete like textbook companies such as Pearson.

    Maybe if Pearson could make a decent textbook that doesn't need yearly updates, schools could afford proper tools for their students.

  19. Re:On another note by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

    I still have the physics/chemistry one, it's got corrections pasted in it because they redetermined the densities of phlogiston & aether.

    There was a maths one too. Maybe it's at my mom's place. I'll pop upstairs and look.

    While it's nice to have the book the teacher emphasised that if you need to look up Sin^2 + Cos^2 you're penalising yourself timewise, and I agree. Your brain is the fastest cache there is.

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  20. Re: Meh. by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

    You had it lucky. I turned up to an exam one Friday and they said "you can't use that one, it's Tuesday's model."

    Thank $deity for my trusty log tables & slide rule! But you tell that to kids today...

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  21. Re:Sounds like a step backwards by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

    Even printed out every 'step' so that I could show my work on the test.

    I hope it only did that if you passed the -v option!

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  22. Re:Meh. by Hognoxious · · Score: 3, Funny

    We had to do graphs by hand - graphing calculators were explicitly banned. Generally they were easy questions. Find the roots & find f(0) - you know where it crosses the axes. Diff=0 for the minima/maxima. Double diff=0 for the inflection points. I forget now how you find the asymptotes. Disembowel a goat, maybe.

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  23. Re:Meh. by Sique · · Score: 2

    The ability to use a calculator to get an answer to a math problem is math knowledge. It might not be the math knowledge necessery to get an answer if you don't have a calculator. But it is math knowledge nevertheless.

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  24. Can somebody explain how this works by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    all the articles I've read have been short on details. How exactly do you do a graphing calc app without making it open to cheating? There's tons of these apps on the various app stores.

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  25. Two words by jgfenix · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Physical keys

  26. Re:Meh. by jwest · · Score: 2

    UID pissing session? I'm there

  27. 20 years from now by OrangeTide · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Wait long enough and start-ups like Desmos will be gone. But my TI-85 still works and I still have my data from when I was in high school, ... 20 years ago.

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  28. Re:Meh. by Hizonner · · Score: 2

    Nonetheless, the ability to use a hammer to drive a nail is not physics knowledge. It's carpentry knowledge.

    The ability to use a calculator to get an answer is not math knowledge. It's not even arithmetic knowledge. And, unlike using a hammer, it's so trivial to learn that it counts for nothing at all.