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Chinese State Media Says US Should Take Some Blame For Cyberattack (cnbc.com)

An anonymous reader shares a CNBC report: Chinese state media on Wednesday criticized the United States for hindering efforts to stop global cyber threats in the wake of the WannaCry ransomware attack that has infected more than 300,000 computers worldwide in recent days. The U.S. National Security Agency (NSA) should shoulder some blame for the attack, which targets vulnerabilities in Microsoft systems and has infected some 30,000 Chinese organisations as of Saturday, the China Daily said. "Concerted efforts to tackle cyber crimes have been hindered by the actions of the United States," it said, adding that Washington had "no credible evidence" to support bans on Chinese tech firms in the United States following the attack. The malware attack, which began on Friday and has been linked by some researchers to previous hits by a North Korean-run hacking operation, leveraged a tool built by the NSA that leaked online in April, Microsoft says.

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  1. Don't blame the U.S.A. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Blame Microsoft.

    1. Re:Don't blame the U.S.A. by sdinfoserv · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Microsoft issued patches - even for unsupported OS's.
      The fact is, the US Gov't is directly responsible for the 2 most egregious hacks in cyber history - 1) the OPM debacle and 2) WannaCry,
      The US Government, even it's "intelligence" groups have proven themselves completely incapable of basic security skills. Encrypt at rest, don't click the link - simple, basic crap and they can't follow. If you can't take care of shiny toys, you don't deserve them.

    2. Re:Don't blame the U.S.A. by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Last time I read about Windows in China, most people were still using Windows XP. Does Microsoft still release patches for XP?

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    3. Re:Don't blame the U.S.A. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The conspiracy theorists will insist this is part of the grand scheme. Get the information out so our adversaries take the bait, developing a weapon to use against the holy alliance of good (The West), so we can then justify bombing the shit out of them. Don't you see this! ;)

    4. Re:Don't blame the U.S.A. by Pieroxy · · Score: 3, Informative

      They did this weekend. https://www.microsoft.com/fr-F...

    5. Re:Don't blame the U.S.A. by ganjadude · · Score: 2

      no this is on the government i have no problem with the government having tools however they should still inform microsoft so they can make a patch that can be sent out asap if one of those tools gets loose

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    6. Re:Don't blame the U.S.A. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then you should doubly blame Apple, Google, Samsung, and the OS community because they all had similar hacks released but they were unpatched at the time of the disclosure. The vulnerability in Windows had a patch available for 30-60 days. The only windows machines that were vulnerable were the tin-foil hats that disabled the automatic updates, or kept delaying the update.

    7. Re:Don't blame the U.S.A. by sdinfoserv · · Score: 1

      no, they do not release patches for unsupported OS's.... however, this was such an event - the patched it.

    8. Re:Don't blame the U.S.A. by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Agreed, blame the US TLAs for this. It falls *directly* on them in this particular case. Microsoft made a mistake, but they made a good-faith efforts to fix said mistake. And if you're going to castigate organizations for making security mistakes, there's no widely used OSes that haven't had their share of doozies in the last few years alone.

      That being said, the last country I want to hear casting blame about regarding cyberattacks is China.

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    9. Re:Don't blame the U.S.A. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MS would have patched it sooner if the exploit had been shown to them earlier. I hate being in a position where I feel this way, but I think China is right.

    10. Re:Don't blame the U.S.A. by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Of course the NSA has the largest share of the blame, because they lost ready-to use 0-day exploit code. That is about the worst thing possible.
      The NSA is also to blame because they did not report the 0-day after a reasonable time, say 1 year or so.

      That makes to major screw-ups or seriously criminal acts on the side of the NSA.
      MS puts out shoddy software, but a) everybody knows that and b) a lot of others do it to. So some, but not a lot of blame to MS.
      The the fuckups that used this code also have some blame, but they are just small-time criminals that would never be able to pull this off by themselves.

      The NSA has almost all the blame here. And what they enabled is about comparable to a major terrorist attack in damage to critical infrastructure.

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    11. Re:Don't blame the U.S.A. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, you see, this is Slashdot so Micro$oft is to blame for everything ever!

    12. Re:Don't blame the U.S.A. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, blame the NSA for sitting on a vuln. Microsoft, as much as I despise them, isn't some all-knowing $DEITY.

    13. Re:Don't blame the U.S.A. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This. They're the ones that fired all of their experienced developers in order to save money then a few years later fired all of their SDETs (software developers in test) then finally fired their QA because they don't give a damn about quality or security.

    14. Re:Don't blame the U.S.A. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First off. The blame for the ransom ware attacks belongs to the ass hats who launched the attacks. And when they are identified they are in for a bad time. It is not just the US is hunting them. Do they think they can survive the efforts of the US, China, Russia, and any other country who were attacked? The perpetrators of the attack have royally fucked themselves by irritating China and Russia. They now have no safe haven to run to. Their last option is NK.

      Do you even know what intelligence and counter intelligences actually do? If the NSA open sources all their tools and methods do you expect the other foreign intelligence agencies to do the same thing? Because that is what the mindless proles are asking for. That is sort of like going to war and telling your target the time of the attack, the force size the target can expect to face, and then leaving all the ammunition locked up back home in the armory.

      "incapable of basic security skills"
      The NSA is not responsible for securing anyone's software. They are a covert intelligence agency empowered to provide security to the US. They can do anything they want to any country on the planet and the only rule is don't get caught. And China can go fuck themselves. They cannot even handle NK and they want to go head to head with the US? If Mexico started building nuclear weapons and firing missiles into the Gulf of Mexico the US would slap them so hard they would be begging for Trump to build his wall to protect themselves from illegal immigration from the US because the illegals from the US would consist of US soldiers and spec ops teams on vacation. Sort of like the Russian spec ops teams who were vacationing in Crimea and Ukraine when the war started and Russia did a land grab. When some Russian spec ops soldiers were captured the Kremlin announced those soldiers were on holiday, end of story.

      "Encrypt at rest, don't click the link - simple, basic crap and they can't follow"
      If you do something stupid enough to catch the NSA's attention you are basically fucked and there is not a single thing you can do about it so you might want to move to Russia now just to get ahead of the curve.

    15. Re:Don't blame the U.S.A. by Solandri · · Score: 1, Insightful

      No, the people who stole the code from the NSA and released it without giving Microsoft a couple months to come up with patches bear the largest share of the blame. They're the ones who turned this into a 0-day exploit.

      Releasing the code to the public wasn't necessary to shame and cripple the U.S. intelligence infrastructure. All they needed to do was give Microsoft a copy and publicly tell them to patch it or they'd make it public in 60 days. Once Microsoft confirmed the vulnerabilities were real, the NSA would've been shamed. And once the exploits were patched, the NSA tools would've become useless, and the objective of crippling the NSA and stopping their illegal wiretapping would've been achieved.

      But they didn't do that. They immediately released it to the public. The people who stole and released the NSA software aren't freedom fighters or conscientious activists for democracy. They're anarchists and criminals. Those of you assuming some noble intent in their actions are mistakenly projecting your desires.

    16. Re:Don't blame the U.S.A. by rogoshen1 · · Score: 1

      This reminds me of the of the plot from the movie "Outbreak'.

      Sure, that chick from Grey's Anatomy started the outbreak by stealing the monkey, but why the fuck was the US gov't weaponizing horrific viruses in the first god damn place?

    17. Re:Don't blame the U.S.A. by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Patched after the fact of course. Microsoft shares blame here for facilitating the attack by having the ridiculous feature of allowing scripting in downloaded documents or emails.

    18. Re:Don't blame the U.S.A. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bots and Malware have been an ongoing problem with the MicroSoft operating system for well over a decade. I'd hardly say they've made good-faith efforts to fix it. In fact, I'd say it has been quite profitable for MS 'NOT' to make efforts to fix it.

    19. Re:Don't blame the U.S.A. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are a covert intelligence agency empowered to provide security to the US. They can do anything they want to any country on the planet and the only rule is don't get caught.

      Apparently this includes the US.

    20. Re:Don't blame the U.S.A. by gnick · · Score: 2

      ...they should still inform microsoft so they can make a patch that can be sent out asap if one of those tools gets loose

      Are you suggesting that they inform Microsoft as soon as they find a vulnerability and have them sit on a patch until the exploit "gets loose"? What would be the difference between that and just requesting that Microsoft include a back door that could be modified once it's discovered by someone else?

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    21. Re:Don't blame the U.S.A. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Blame Microsoft.

      The US hasn't done enough to curb Microsoft's monopolistic hold on the market. And, is perfectly fine with the spyware laden route Microsoft has taken. I'm fine with them blaming the USA

    22. Re:Don't blame the U.S.A. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed, blame the US TLAs for this. It falls *directly* on them in this particular case. Microsoft made a mistake, but they made a good-faith efforts to fix said mistake. .

      Generally the US TLA (and the GCHQs) take plenty of blame. They could certainly have put some of the effort they put into attacking computers instead into defending their nation. However in this particular case they apparently notified Microsoft before the vulnerabilities were even published and Microsoft sat on the fixes for several months. Microsoft should take a fair share of the blame.

    23. Re:Don't blame the U.S.A. by KiloByte · · Score: 1

      No, their actions were a brutal but much needed outing the NSA as the enemy. They are sitting on many, many more exploits, and Microsoft was caught purposefully introducing backdoors for NSA before (like, say, the _NSAKEY signing key).

      Patching this particular exploit would have no lasting effect.

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    24. Re: Don't blame the U.S.A. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The MS patch was for SMBv1, used to spread the ransomware within a network that had already been breached. Nothing to do with downloaded documents or emails, which can't do anything unless executed by the user. Initial attack vector was via the usual malware means - malicious macros in Word docs or pdfs (that users must open, then allow scripting in), embedded in downloaded applications etc none of which is Microsoft's fault.

    25. Re: Don't blame the U.S.A. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How? How does Microsoft profit from having flaws in their products? Because they can keep selling updates? Don't you think MS would make more money developing a 100% bug free system and firing most of their developers? Only focusing on adding new features to get more customers? They'd make a killing selling a bug free system with the marketing alone, hell it worked for Apple with Mac OS for years, and they lied about it!

    26. Re:Don't blame the U.S.A. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and yet they did, 2 months before it happened, for free...

    27. Re:Don't blame the U.S.A. by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Indeed. What the NSA did here would be called treason in any non-government organization, because what they did massively helped enemies. They need to massively reduce the number of exploits they keep secret (I can understand that they want a few), they need to make very sure the exploits and exploit-code does not ever get stolen and they need to make sure the exploits they keep secret are both hard to find and hard to exploit. Unless and until they do that, they will indeed need to be considered an enemy of basically everybody.

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  2. it's a step up by ooloorie · · Score: 0

    Well, that kind of "blame" is a step up from the traditional Chinese statements about the US:

    “If the U.S. monopoly capitalist groups persist in pushing their policies of aggression and war, the day is bound to come when they will be hanged by the people of the whole world. The same fate awaits the accomplices of the United States.”

    “Under the white population of the United States of America only the reactionary classes oppress the black population. Under no circumstance can they represent the workers, farmers and revolutionary intellectuals and other enlighted people who form the majority of the white population.”

    (Wait, were those quotes from Chairman Mao or from Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders?)

    1. Re:it's a step up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are both from Mao.

      Saved you a click.

  3. this is rich... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    coming from *china*. are they just getting more jealous every time putin and trump drop trou?

    "no fair! we have to spy and hack and steal our way to obtain your secrets, but you just fucking GIVE THEM AWAY to the russians!"

  4. Made in the USA... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

    If only the NSA reported the vulnerabilities to Microsoft first.

    1. Re:Made in the USA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do you know that they didn't considering that the problem was already analyzed, regression tested, and a patch was put up 60 days before the ransom ware was released. That means Microsoft knew about it at least 60 days before the attack, and more likely 90 days+.

    2. Re:Made in the USA... by HiThere · · Score: 1

      I think they did awhile ago, perhaps shortly after they found out that the burglar tools they were holding had been copied. But they *should* have gotten them to fix the problem nearly as soon as they discovered it.

      MS issued a fix for the bug before the WannaCry attack was launched. That looks like advance warning, though it could be ordinary bug repair. The problem is that there are a huge number of systems that either won't be fixed or can't be fixed, and some of the most critical are those that can't be fixed.

      Now I *am* assuming that the NSA knew about the problem years ago, and this may be incorrect. But to me it looks like betrayal of the citizenry.

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  5. Not just the Chinese saying this by XXongo · · Score: 3, Informative
  6. Blame USA?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But.. but.. what about american exceptionalism?! Cultural imperialism? Manifest Destiny? New Amerikan Century? Good Guys versus Bad Guys? NSA created those exploits to make the world more peaceful and a safer place, Citizen!

    1. Re:Blame USA?! by gweihir · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      These days, the US has just two things left: Being large and being very stupid. Hence electing Trump as president is fine, because he is an exceptionally appropriate representative of the US population.

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  7. they have a point. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If the National Security agency had actually given a shit about security, it would help companies fix these problems before they are exploited in the wild, rather than hoard and weaponize them. They made a conscious decision to attack security rather than enhance it. As a result, critical infrastructure such as hospitals have suffered, and we haven't seen the end of it yet.

    It is a rogue agency, and needs to be brought to heel. When parts of the government start treating its own people as enemies, it's time for a clean slate. You need intelligence agencies. They provide an important service to the nation. You do not need intelligence agencies that violate the Constitution and cause cyber-security issues all around the world. It has gone beyond anything acceptable, and must be dismantled and a new one created under the careful oversight of civilians who have an allegiance to civil rights.

    1. Re:they have a point. by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2

      You are aware that the vulnerability was patched in the March Cummulative update for Windows, right? Now MS didn't release patches for out-of-support versions of Windows (XP, Vista, etc) until recently but it had been patched already.

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    2. Re:they have a point. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That does not negate the point.

    3. Re:they have a point. by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      The vulnerability was already patched. If it was patched a year ago China would probably had the same problems as many Windows installs there are pirated versions which receive no updates.

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  8. 70% of software in China is "unregistered" by spoot · · Score: 3, Informative

    According to Engaget and other sources. So yea, the US is to blame for all the pirated un-patched installs of XP in China. Russia has purportedly Russia 64 percent. Isn't it strange that the NSA would code such and exploit. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

    1. Re:70% of software in China is "unregistered" by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Gonna call bullshit on those numbers. For a start, they come from the Business Software Alliance, which profits from scaring companies about piracy and "fining" them for unlicensed software. Also, they don't give the number for the US for comparison.

      I live in the UK. Everyone I know uses at least one pirate app, often Windows.

      Anyway, if China pirates software so much, why would it stick with XP? Just pirate Windows 10 instead.

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    2. Re:70% of software in China is "unregistered" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what about the other 30%? The NSA takes some of the blame.

    3. Re:70% of software in China is "unregistered" by quantic_oscillation7 · · Score: 2

      hmmm...let's see what mr Gates himself said...

      "Although about 3 million computers get sold every year in China, people don't pay for the software. Someday they will, though," Gates told an audience at the University of Washington. "And as long as they're going to steal it, we want them to steal ours. They'll get sort of addicted, and then we'll somehow figure out how to collect sometime in the next decade."
      http://articles.latimes.com/20...

    4. Re:70% of software in China is "unregistered" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I occasionally live in England and I don't know anyone who has a pirated copy of Windows, when they need to the buy a new PC with the latest version installed.

  9. EZ way to protect "standalones" vs. it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With a SINGLE 'standalone' non-networked PC (no home network/LAN) just turn off Server & Workstation services. It shuts off any "handles" (port 445) this thing propogates thru + turn off NetBIOS over TCP/IP in your internet connection & uncheck/disable Client for Microsoft Networks + File and Print Sharing. Port 139 & 445 always pop up issues over time.

    I covered all this 11++ yrs. ago in a security guide I wrote for users with a single system & apparently, its advice STILL STANDS THE "TEST OF TIME" ala https://www.google.com/#q=HOW+TO+SECURE+Windows+2000/XP/ vs. even today's threats like this one.

    * This effectively makes this threat a non-issue + saves you CPU cycles/RAM & other I/O wasted on services you don't NEED as a single PC user only... & you don't. They're just wastes with a single PC really. Many services are (covered in guide above based on CIS Tool guidance (who took fixes to their ware from "yours truly" too, no less)).

    APK

    P.S.=> Of course, don't be STUPID & click on attachments in bogus malicious emails this thing propogates thru as well (Chrome/Opera/Webkit users - BEWARE of the ShellControlFile issue that just popped up (.scf file) noted here-> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/05/17/chrome_on_windows_has_credential_theft_bug/ )... apk

    1. Re:EZ way to protect "standalones" vs. it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Racist bigot APK strikes again!

    2. Re: EZ way to protect "standalones" vs. it by Brockmire · · Score: 1

      Fuckface, Most of us have multiple computers, family and friends. Solutions for loners is not applicable to everyone. Stop spamming.

  10. lolwut? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's the same as blaming gun manufacturers for all the mass shootings.

    1. Re:lolwut? by Spock9999 · · Score: 1

      I agree. What about the jerks that DID the attack? What they are absolved? No way! "The door to the bank vault is left open. I go and steal some stuff. It's not my fault, it's the bank's fault for leaving the door open." - REDICULOUS.

    2. Re:lolwut? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't you pay bank fees for the vault?

      If they leave the vault open, they aren't doing the job that you pay a bank.

      In this case, tons of businesses had port 445 open and exposed to the internet.

    3. Re:lolwut? by ghoul · · Score: 1

      This is not the door to the vault was left open. Rather the lock on the vault was easy to pick and the cops who are supposed to watch out for everyone ; when they found out; instead of telling the Bank created a set of custom lockpicks for that type of vault and then lost them in the common marketplace for any thief to pick up and use.

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    4. Re:lolwut? by Alain+Williams · · Score: 1

      More like a car manufacturer who made a truck with brakes that can be hacked: made to fail via an external wifi signal ... then a mechanic at a repair shop notices that the wifi is not properly protected but does not tell anyone. Mr Nasty sends the signal and someone dies. Who is at fault: the manufacturer, the repair shop or Mr Nasty ? Mr Nasty deserves jail time, but, I believe, so does the mechanic for not reporting the fault.

  11. The larger problems by UnknowingFool · · Score: 3, Insightful

    While it might have been the NSA that created the basis of the ransomware, there's really larger problems. Any hacker could have discovered the vulnerability and launched the same attack.

    The first problem is that the malware affected Russia and China in greater numbers for the simple reason that many Windows installations there are pirated so they are not likely to receive patches. MS for their part did patch the vulnerability in the March cumulative update if I remember correctly.

    The second problem is that MS didn't patch unsupported, older versions of Windows until WannaCry became widespread (Windows XP, Vista, etc). So there are still many older versions of Windows out there being used. This second problem does affect companies and machines that have stayed on older Windows for a number of reasons (hospitals, factories, etc.)

    The third problem is that trust in MS has slowly been eroded over the years with their behavior:

    • Auto-updating their users without permission
    • Rebooting machines without warning
    • Sneaking in non-critical features (like telemetry) as critical updates
    • Rolling up patches so that customers cannot refuse certain patches for practical reasons
    • Patch quality dropping with a few of them making machines unusable

    For many, they simply don't trust MS anymore. In years past, a bad patch every now and then could be forgiven. With no trust in MS, consumers are simply taking their chances.

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    1. Re:The larger problems by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      With no trust in MS, consumers are simply taking their chances

      Right conclusion but wrong causality. Consumers have been taking their chances for many years before MS's patching practices became even remotely questionable. Back when security was just a thing those IT nerds talked about disabling windows update was common. Didn't want it slowing my internet connection down. Didn't want it doing something on my computer. This goes back into the early days to the point that in Service Packs MS introduced warnings to users who disabled windows update.

      It was an endless power struggle between the stupid common who disable things without understanding the consequences that lead to MS's currently nasty practices, not the other way around.

    2. Re:The larger problems by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Consumers have been taking their chances for many years before MS's patching practices became even remotely questionable.

      Consumers didn't run updates as often as MS would like but it was mostly due to laziness than anything else. Now they legitimately have reasons not to do so.

      Back when security was just a thing those IT nerds talked about disabling windows update was common.

      IT Admins did not roll out updates automatically for good reasons. For corporate networks, software compatibility and testing were priorities than merely installing whatever patch MS rolled out. As an IT admin if you roll out an update without testing it and systems go down, it affects the company. But MS respected the system back then. These days MS seems to thumb their nose at it.

      Didn't want it slowing my internet connection down. Didn't want it doing something on my computer. This goes back into the early days to the point that in Service Packs MS introduced warnings to users who disabled windows update.

      I don't know who you know but none of those reasons were ever brought up by people I knew not to update. Breaking Windows or 3rd party software was the main reason. Also another reason was that Service Packs took a long time to install so people didn't want to stop running their computer for hours or a day to install a SP.

      It was an endless power struggle between the stupid common who disable things without understanding the consequences that lead to MS's currently nasty practices, not the other way around.

      No, updates were inconvenient for most people. These days updates are almost malicious.

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    3. Re:The larger problems by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      but it was mostly due to laziness than anything else.

      If you installed Windows XP SP1 and later and just click next a few times to make the popups go away the updates would be automatic. Same with every subsequent version. No people actually put effort into not updating.

      IT Admins did not roll out updates automatically for good reasons.

      You misread my sentence. Of course IT admins didn't do it for good reason. My post wasn't about IT admins.

      I don't know who you know but none of those reasons were ever brought up by people I knew not to update.

      Plenty. What reasons do you know? Lazyness? That's even worse.

      No, updates were inconvenient for most people.

      Exactly my point, read my last sentence again.

    4. Re:The larger problems by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      If you installed Windows XP SP1 and later and just click next a few times to make the popups go away the updates would be automatic. Same with every subsequent version. No people actually put effort into not updating.

      Did you forgot the hours it took to update to service packs and patches?

      Plenty. What reasons do you know? Lazyness? That's even worse.

      Again did you forget that a SP could take hours? SP3 took me at least 8 hours with one computer and 1 hour with another. But the thing is you never really knew how long it might take.

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  12. Wouldn't have helped China if NSA told Microsoft by qzzpjs · · Score: 1

    Even if the NSA told Microsoft about this bug a year or more ago, it wouldn't have helped China at all. They're running tens of thousands of stolen copies of Windows and on old versions like XP so any patch Microsoft released would have never been installed anyway.

    The blame here is on China and any other companies that kept using XP passed it's end of support date. They made that decision, they have to live with it. If they can't afford Windows, there are some perfectly usable Linux distributions out there.

  13. The U.S. should take a little blame... by wisebabo · · Score: 2

    ... when the Chinese take a LOT of blame (all the blame?) for North Korea.

    For over 50 YEARS, CHINA has been basically the SOLE supporter of a despotic regime that, in addition to crimes and atrocities only exceeded by the Holocaust, Stalin or "The Great Leap Foward", through forced labor, prison camps and also responsible for the DEATHS of MILLIONS of its citiizens (primarily through starvation), is now threatening the security of much of the world (even Putin made some nervous remarks). That the North Koreans don't give a flying F*** about convention or Geneva protocols or whatever is obvious from their past terrorist attacks (bombing of an airliner) to using the (most) deadly chemical weapon known to man (basically all other nations have destroyed their stocks) in a densely populated city in an uninvolved country just to kill one possible dissident (and they probably smuggled it in via diplomatic pouch, hence the police apprehending N. Korean embassy workers).

    That the Chinese were willing to put an entire nation of people IN HELL for five decades just so that they could possibly keep the Americans from being on their doorstep shows how little regard they have for HUMAN RIGHTS or even LIFE. (They probably could've gotten the Americans to have agreed to leave S. Korea if N. Korea was unified. From what I can tell, they never tried). But even if you were ignorant of the North Korean situation, you could probably have guessed their (lack of) morals from the way they treated Tibet and their own ethnic minorities.

    That is why I have so little regard for the Chinese (government) and long ago stopped making direct investments in China. As for their citizens, I'd like to believe that they are the classic example of why a people blindfolded by censorship can be lead to do the worst imaginable things. A person can easily be convinced to murder (and a country to genocide) if he is lied to.

    1. Re:The U.S. should take a little blame... by ghoul · · Score: 0

      The US put nukes into South Korea as well as invaded North Korea twice - once all the way to the Chinese border. If North Korea is hyper militarized its not because they want to but because they have to if they want to avoid becoming another East Germany. US would never have withdrawn from South Korea. Only way to get US to withdraw is to make the costs too heavy like in Vietnam.

      US was also willing to put an entire nation (Cuba) into misery using sanctions just so that an example of a successful communist country would not be created at their doorstep.

      US really cant take a moral higher ground with China. The Tibetan's were in a feudal theocracy from which China rescued them and they still have full cultural rights unlike the native Americans. When was the last time you saw a US Federal govt website had a Cherokee version but Chinese govt websites have Tibetan language versions.

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    2. Re: The U.S. should take a little blame... by Brockmire · · Score: 1

      Yep, that's why we always hear "free USA" and not "free Tibet" , right?

  14. National Insecurity Agency by matbury6017 · · Score: 1

    There 'Murica, I fixed that for you. The "NIA" has turned bloated, slow, unaccountable, and has gone rogue. Only congress can reign them in but they have to expect very dirty fight-back from them, the CIA, and the Pentagon. Who's going to effectively take on the deep state?

  15. It was written on the (Big) wall by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lot's of self-blaming to do ...

    If, as usual, the first thing the "Windows crack" does was to disable updates then guess who should take the blame. How about blaming the big Firewall of China that doesn't let MS updates come through?

    And then if the malware came from North Korea, to finance some "nukelar" bombs they need to develop, then who's number one ally in that enterprise?

  16. Get on topic unidentifiable anonymous stalker by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See subject: I try aid others preventing them from being f'd over by this ransomware - have YOU done more/better? No. Nicest part of what my guide gives others is more speed/cpu/ram via what my last post says https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=&bih=&q=%22HOW+TO+SECURE+Windows+2000%2FXP%22&btnG=Google+Search&gbv=1/ as well as more security.

    APK

    P.S.=> Go away psycho loon loser - quit stalking/harassing me you sick freak... apk

  17. Hindering Efforts?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >...criticized the United States for hindering efforts to stop global cyber threats...

    WHAT? So when this WannaCry began making its rounds, the US went out of its way to keep it going... and promote its horrible run? And denied others the ability to stop it? SAY WHAT?!?

  18. Pot, Kettle...Black by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It can be reasonably assumed (yes I know) that if the NSA knew about these vulnerabilities than at least one other state actor such as China or Russia knew about them too.

    So this is simply a 'political game'.

  19. Blame the NSA, not the U.S.A. by XXongo · · Score: 1

    Do you even know what intelligence and counter intelligences actually do? If the NSA open sources all their tools and methods do you expect the other foreign intelligence agencies to do the same thing? Because that is what the mindless proles are asking for.

    As I understand it, what the "mindless proles" are asking for is for the NSA, when they discover that there is a vulnerability in the software that allows it to be attached, to tell the companies that make the software about it to allow it to be patched instead of hiding the information.

    By the way-- "mindless proles"?? What's with the neo-Marxist-jargon? I don't think I've heard anybody use the word "proletariat" seriously in fifty years.

    That is sort of like going to war and telling your target the time of the attack, the force size the target can expect to face, and then leaving all the ammunition locked up back home in the armory.

    It's more like the NSA discovering that there's a grenade strapped to their body, and deciding to disarm it instead of leaving it there and saying "well, probably nobody will notice it."

    The NSA is not responsible for securing anyone's software.

    Apparently not. Instead they were responsible for developing a vulnerability and then releasing it to the world.

    They are a covert intelligence agency empowered to provide security to the US. They can do anything they want to any country on the planet and the only rule is don't get caught.

    This is the way criminals reason: "I can do anything I want as long as I don't get caught."

    I'd prefer to that lawful organizations are actually obeying the law. "We're powerful so we're above the law" is for tyrants, not free people.

  20. Hey China by Tjp($)pjT · · Score: 1

    Hey China, your truck was stolen and then driven into a crowd. You should share some of the terrorists blame. It might have been OK as they tried the vehicle gates and they were blocked, so they rammed a pedestrian gate. Where you, China, provided a target rich environment.

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    - Tjp

    I am in wallow with my inner money grubbing capitalistic pig. ... Oink!

  21. Blame China for my Big Ass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I like eggrolls. I blame China.

  22. Re:Blame the NSA, not the U.S.A. by gnick · · Score: 1

    As I understand it, what the "mindless proles" are asking for is for the NSA, when they discover that there is a vulnerability in the software that allows it to be attached, to tell the companies that make the software about it to allow it to be patched instead of hiding the information.

    It is not the NSA's responsibility to make sure software is secure. Their job is to find vulnerabilities that can be exploited to meet their ends. To suggest that they immediately throw away each new capability they develop by alerting the software makers is just stupid. If they were looking for vulnerabilities just so they could be patched, it would go against the entire purpose of their looking for those vulnerabilities - Why would they bother searching if not to find something to exploit?

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  23. Re:Blame the NSA, not the U.S.A. by XXongo · · Score: 1

    It is not the NSA's responsibility to make sure software is secure. Their job is ...

    As an agency of the U.S. government, their job is to uphold the constitution, and specifically their job is to provide for the common defence (you know, that constitution stuff?).

    They decided that "making us safer" meant "don't report vulnerabilities that might make us unsafe." That was their decision. "Let's leave the U.S. vulnerable" was what they chose.

    They believed that not patching vulnerabilities makes us safer. Worse, not only did they not warn us, and thus allow us to defend against the vulnerability, they actually worked to use that vulnerability to make a tool to break in... and then left that tool lying around for bad guys to pick up and use, because, hey, they thought that they were the big bad wolf and they were immune to the bad guys breaking in.

    We're lucky that the bad guys only decided to use it to get a bit of money.

    This time.

  24. Re:Blame the NSA, not the U.S.A. by gnick · · Score: 1

    As an agency of the U.S. government, their job is to uphold the constitution, and specifically their job is to provide for the common defence (you know, that constitution stuff?).

    And by maintaining their ability to break into adversaries' computers, they concluded that's what they were doing.

    "Let's leave the U.S. vulnerable" was what they chose.

    No. They decided, "let's leave the world vulnerable." That unfortunately includes their own country.

    They believed that not patching vulnerabilities makes us safer.

    That part you got right.

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    He's getting rather old, but he's a good mouse.
  25. Riiiight. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because after you steal and use someone else's software it is the people who had their property stolen who should be required to make sure your system is safe. I think they should consider themselves lucky the pirated software doesn't steal all of their trade and military secrets by default.

  26. Re:Blame the NSA, not the U.S.A. by BlueStrat · · Score: 2

    It is not the NSA's responsibility to make sure software is secure.

    Sorry, but you're wrong. The National Security Agency has multiple tasks. Among them and besides the signals-intelligence role, they are also tasked with securing the US' data networks as part of essential infrastructure vital to national security.

    They sacrificed national security for signals-intelligence capability, mostly motivated by domestic politics and the desire to use the NSA domestically to suppress dissent and political opposition. I blame this change in the NSA to the political appointees that have been replacing the 'old guard' within the agency over the last few past administrations both (R) and (D). Patriotism and idealism among the leadership has been mostly supplanted by cynicism,fanaticism, political ambition, and a nearly sociopathic attitude towards society and the people, almost a God-complex in some cases.

    It would not surprise me that the shadow brokers are talented geeks that were approached by the NSA but refused to go to work for them, and/or ones who quit the agency in disgust and despair.

    Who the SB are and what they want is really not important here, however. It is the fact that a US Agency that is, at the very least, obligated to take steps to alert the necessary parties when they discover a major vulnerability in vital national infrastructure did in fact do the opposite in hopes of using it as a weapon at some point while vital national infrastructure, including financial and healthcare networks were at risk, is massively irresponsible, self-centered, stupid, criminal, and itself a threat to national security.

    Heck, I'd expect the Dept. of Interior to report vulnerabilities they discover in vital national infrastructure, never mind the National Security Agency, FFS! What are we paying these power-tripping fools for, anyway? This fiasco sure ain't in their charter!

    The NSA needs to be gutted, audited, and totally re-invented with sufficient limits on its powers and authorities and enough oversight and enforcement in place to make certain laws and rules are followed and Constitutional protections respected. Same with much of the US Government's litany of agencies and departments.

    Strat

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  27. The Gnu hurd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If we were all using the gnu hurd we wouldn't be in this mess..

  28. People in glass houses shouldnt throw rocks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is China we are talking about, right? They should save the sanctimony, China has hacking tools wreaking havoc. They should back to the damage done in years past and take responsibility.
    Perhaps is microsoft's fault for upgrading pirated Windows XP and then not supporting it for free.
    When China starts giving a dick about anything besides it own selfish interests let us know.

  29. How is the US obligated to handle negligence? by piojo · · Score: 1

    It seems to me that Microsoft has been negligent with security. They don't support any sort of granular permissions, nor any modes for running applications that would limit the damage they can do. (Why can DailyJoke.exe read/write all files except system files, read the screen buffer, and listen for keypresses?) If granular permissions are too hard, why has sandboxing not been implemented? Why is every installer a black box which must be run as admin?

    However, since we haven't legislated that they aren't allowed to be negligent, this is legal. I can be negligent when building a table. You can be negligent when you reheat your leftovers. This is not illegal. But given that Microsoft has a type of monopoly and their security negligence is costing time, money, and even some lives, would it be appropriate to mandate any sort of stronger security model?

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  30. Additional protections via Microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To enable or disable SMBv1 on the SMB server, configure the following registry key:

    Registry subkey: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\LanmanServer\Parameters Registry entry: SMB1

    REG_DWORD: 0 = Disabled
    REG_DWORD: 1 = Enabled

    Default: 1 = Enabled

    To enable or disable SMBv2 on the SMB server, configure the following registry key:

    Registry subkey:HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Services\LanmanServer\Parameters Registry entry: SMB2

    REG_DWORD: 0 = Disabled
    REG_DWORD: 1 = Enabled

    Default: 1 = Enabled

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    To disable SMBv1 on the SMB client, run the following commands:

    sc.exe config lanmanworkstation depend= bowser/mrxsmb20/nsi
    sc.exe config mrxsmb10 start= disabled

    To enable SMBv2 and SMBv3 on the SMB client, run the following commands:

    sc.exe config lanmanworkstation depend= bowser/mrxsmb10/mrxsmb20/nsi
    sc.exe config mrxsmb20 start= auto

    * Per https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/2696547/how-to-enable-and-disable-smbv1,-smbv2,-and-smbv3-in-windows-vista,-windows-server-2008,-windows-7,-windows-server-2008-r2,-windows-8,-and-windows-server-2012/

    APK

    P.S.=> Between the above (& patches exist also) OR doing what I do for standalone SINGLE systems w/ no home network-lan https://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10624577&cid=54434563/ you'll be OK ... apk

  31. Re: blame BOTH by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Blame BOTH: NSA & Microsoft. MS "gave" NSA access to their source code to snuff the world.
    eh? what are those dark clouds in the horizon?... why they make sounds like helicopters?

  32. Re: Blame the NSA, not the U.S.A. by Brockmire · · Score: 1

    This is solved with proper firewalling. I would assume the people who put up the firewalls do not consider this exploit to be the end of the world. So when deciding on whether to use or close the exploit, it's pretty fucking clear.