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Software Is Eating the World, But AI Is Going To Eat Software, Nvidia CEO Says (technologyreview.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Nvidia's revenues have started to climb in the recent quarters as it looks at making hardware customized for machine-learning algorithms and use cases such as autonomous cars. At the company's annual developer conference in San Jose, California last week, the company's CEO Jensen Huang spoke about how the machine-learning revolution is just starting. "Very few lines of code in the enterprises and industries all over the world use AI today. It's quite pervasive in Internet service companies, particularly two or three of them," Huang said. "But there's a whole bunch of others in tech and other industries that are trying to catch up. Software is eating the world, but AI is going to eat software."

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  1. Really... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You really shouldn't write headlines when you're stoned.

  2. Hype cycle by matbury6017 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yes, we're very much at the start of the new tech hype cycle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... for AI. Let's see just how revolutionary and useful it turns out to be.

    1. Re:Hype cycle by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      Yes, we're very much at the start of the new tech hype cycle

      Keep in mind that most tech hype is actually correct, even if premature. People laughed in the 1980s when hypers predicted that home computers would be popular, and in the workplace there would be a computer on every desk. But that is what happened. Likewise, people rolled their eyes in the 1990s at the notion that online shopping would be popular, and many people predicted that smartphones and social media were passing fads.

    2. Re:Hype cycle by Jawnn · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yes, we're very much at the start of the new tech hype cycle

      Keep in mind that most tech hype is actually correct, even if premature. People laughed in the 1980s when hypers predicted that home computers would be popular, and in the workplace there would be a computer on every desk. But that is what happened. Likewise, people rolled their eyes in the 1990s at the notion that online shopping would be popular, and many people predicted that smartphones and social media were passing fads.

      Well, no. I didn't reject the notion of PCs, or ecommerce. I do reject the notion of "AI" becoming a thing in my lifetime. First of all, what's being hyped as AI is not AI, as AI has been defined. At most, we're talking about "machine learning", not the same thing at all.

    3. Re:Hype cycle by lgw · · Score: 2

      Like many Slashdotters, your idea of "real AI" is something from SciFi, not from the field. We have real AI right now, produced by real AI developers based on papers in peer-reviewed AI journals. This thing we have? That's what AI is.

      You need a new term for machine consciousness, is that's what you mean.

      Also, chickens are dinosaurs, for the same reason. The scientists in the field get to define the terms, That's just how it works.

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    4. Re:Hype cycle by Junta · · Score: 2

      Incidentally, I think that curve is generous. It's a way for Gartner to say 'just because the hype died down, our insight on that fad is still valuable because it will come back'. I would say more often than not, the 'disillusionment phase' is a bit more persistent, and 'enlightenment' is not something that frequently improves the fate of a 'dead' hype.

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  3. Hand-typing Forms by WDot · · Score: 3, Informative

    Almost 10 years ago I had an internship in a credit-card processing center. Many transactions were done over computer networks at that point, but there were still a few transactions done with "knucklebusters." This could either be because the store was remote or because it was a backup when the higher-tech point of sale devices were down. These machines made manual impressions of the bezeled credit card numbers. These impressions were then mailed to the office, where secretaries typed in the devices by hand. By the time I came there was a special internal application that extracted individual images of numbers, so that secretaries just had to sit at a desk, look at the number, and type up what number they thought it was.

    "AI" (or computer vision techniques, or whatever) would make this task unnecessary, as a neural network could solve this with pretty much 100% accuracy. A couple of extra checks could prevent most mistakes. I know software, databases, and the Internet have swallowed up a lot of printed forms, but there's still a lot of human labor that involves finding boring patterns in reams of paperwork. Seems like "AI" has a lot of opportunities to automate these tasks.

    1. Re:Hand-typing Forms by jeremyp · · Score: 2

      What you describe is already reality. I wouldn't describe it as artificial intelligence.

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    2. Re:Hand-typing Forms by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      What you describe is already reality. I wouldn't describe it as artificial intelligence.

      Yes, it is reality, and it certainly *is* AI. Image recognition is done using machine learning, and exactly the sort of thing that AI researchers work on.

      I can understand the general public thinking that "AI" only means human level intelligence, because that is what they see in the movies. But it surprising how common this misperception is even on a nerd forum.

    3. Re:Hand-typing Forms by rockmuelle · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Handwriting, speech recognition, and image processing along with their machine learning foundations do not impress the older /. crowd because they are not new technologies.

      Dragon has been doing speech recognition better than Siri for almost 20 years. Simple command-based systems that only recognize a few words have been around longer than that.

      Handwriting recognition for constrained tasks is also not new. The US Postal Services has had zip-code OCR systems since the 1980s.

      Feature detection in images is not new, either. The only thing that's really changed there is we have the processing power to do it at scale.

      Going beyond the applications, all the modern "AI" systems are simply classifiers on steroids. Processing power and great storage capacity allows us work on larger data sets, but in the end, we're just creating complex hyper-planes to bin data in one bucket or another.

      Machine learning algorithms are great tools and it's great that we have the compute resources to really leverage them, but there's nothing really new that wasn't obvious 30 years ago. The only question was when we'd have the compute power to start doing the cool things we knew they could be used for.

      (ok, I'll give a little credit to the deep learning researchers for bringing neural nets back into vogue, since those were written off 30 years ago during the AI winter, but they're still just classifiers from the mathematical perspective).

      -Chris

    4. Re:Hand-typing Forms by rockmuelle · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And I should reply directly the the parent: statistically stringing together text is also not new. We just have better collections to start training algorithms with.

    5. Re:Hand-typing Forms by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 2

      The problem is that companies that have a vested interest in their so-called 'AI' research paying off (or getting funded in the first place) are convincing the media, and by extension, the general public, into conflating the fantasy AI of TV and movies with the extremely limited pieces of software they're currently producing, which are not even as smart as a dog. People do not know the difference! I'll bet you MONEY that the average person believes that so-called 'self driving cars' will have conversations with them as it drives them to work! It's getting everyone whipped into a frenzy, running around waving their arms about how the sky is falling, everyone is going to lose their jobs and be replaced by robots, etc etc etc.

    6. Re:Hand-typing Forms by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      Handwriting, speech recognition, and image processing along with their machine learning foundations do not impress the older /. crowd because they are not new technologies.

      Current handwriting, speech recognition, and image processing based on deep NNs is dramatically better than a decade ago. Error rates have gone down by an order of magnitude. If you are not impressed, then you are not paying attention.

    7. Re: Hand-typing Forms by Gilgaron · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why do you false dichotomy guys always show up in these threads? Of course pattern recognition is AI, and of course it is just an advanced program. Are a lot of programmers dualists instead of physicalists? Your brain went through the same brute force feedback loop when it was wiring itself before you were conscious enough to recognize it. It is also far better than anything we'll be able to make artificially in a variety of ways, but it isn't qualitatively different.

    8. Re: Hand-typing Forms by me3head · · Score: 2

      Electronic computers aren't revolutionary. Sure, it's a faster version of what we've been doing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... But the fundamental concept isn't new... Sometimes speed and cost fundamentally change things even if the underlying concepts aren't new.

    9. Re:Hand-typing Forms by Dog-Cow · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Siri uses the Dragon engine for speech to text. It's literally impossible for Dragon to be doing it better.

  4. AI will drink software's milkshake by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2, Funny

    I think the Nvidia CEO's been microdosing again. In large quantities.

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  5. I can't wait until the AI hype cycle dies by Baron_Yam · · Score: 2

    Nothing we're seeing these days is actually AI.

    Until I can have a conversation with an artificial entity that can reason abstractly to extrapolate experience to apply against novel concepts to which it is introduced, we're not there. (Technically, the conversation part is not required, but it's useful as a human interface)

    We're seeing complex decision trees based on statistics, not AI.

    1. Re:I can't wait until the AI hype cycle dies by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Nothing we're seeing these days is actually AI.

      You should try to learn what "AI" actually means. Lookup "Strong AI" and "Weak AI", also referred to as "Hard AI" and "Soft AI".

      We're seeing complex decision trees based on statistics, not AI.

      No, what NVidia is talking about is not "decision trees".

    2. Re:I can't wait until the AI hype cycle dies by Baron_Yam · · Score: 3, Informative

      >You should try to learn what "AI" actually means. Lookup "Strong AI" and "Weak AI", also referred to as "Hard AI" and "Soft AI".

      No, people involved should stop misusing terms to make their work sound more impressive.

      They've got the artificial part down, but so far they've made zero progress on intelligence... prefixing 'weak' or 'soft' doesn't change that.

    3. Re:I can't wait until the AI hype cycle dies by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      No, people involved should stop misusing terms to make their work sound more impressive.

      The "people involved" coined the term, so it is not they but Hollywood that is misusing it. The term "Artificial Intelligence" was first used by John McCarthy in 1956 at a conference at Dartmouth Univ. They were working on playing checkers and chess, image and voice recognition, and other stuff that you are claiming is "not AI".

      Artificial Intelligence: Machine learning, object recognition, natural language processing, etc.
      Science fiction: Human level consciousness

      Hollywood gets these confused, but you should not.

    4. Re:I can't wait until the AI hype cycle dies by lgw · · Score: 2

      Nothing we're seeing these days is actually AI.

      Until I can have a conversation with an artificial entity that can reason abstractly to extrapolate experience to apply against novel concepts to which it is introduced, we're not there.

      That's a definition of AI used in SciFi, not by the people who actually get to define the term. We've had AI since the 70s, ever growing in the set of problems it can usefully solve. Voice recognition? AI. Machine vision? AI.

      The scientists in the field get to define the terms, not Hollywood.

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  6. Bullshit bullshit bullshit bollocks by jeremyp · · Score: 2

    I'd like to RTFA, but there is no link to TFA.

    Anyway, it's bullshit. There's no reason why an intelligent computer would be any better at writing software than an intelligent human. More importantly, a intelligent computer might decide it doesn't want to write software.

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    1. Re:Bullshit bullshit bullshit bollocks by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      There's no reason why an intelligent computer would be any better at writing software than an intelligent human.

      Better? Maybe not.
      Faster? Very likely.
      Cheaper? Well, that is the real goal.

      It is likely that an AI and a human would make different errors. A human would likely be better at overall design and structure. An AI would likely be better at low level coding, and avoid silly syntax errors. So use AI-Human pair programming.

  7. Re:That's right by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yeah, right. I said "make me a ham sandwich" and now I have mustard in my eye and you don't even WANT to know where it put the mayo.

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  8. commentsubjectsaredumb by Falos · · Score: 3

    Is anyone going to post the XKCD? Alright, guess I'll grab it, here.

    https://xkcd.com/1838/

  9. Breaking news: Nvidia promoting own hardware! by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 2

    Honestly, this is just a simple advertising effort to get people to buy their hardware. AI isn't about to about to eat software, it will be at least a century or two before we have intelligent machines. Until then the greatest thing neural networks can do is mimic existing software (a super niche need) or assist programmers in making software.

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  10. AI should eat tech pundits by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm far from convinced that so-called 'AI' (LOL) is going to 'eat' anything (other than perhaps two-digit IQ venture capitalists' money), but if it's going to eat anything, I'd like to see it eat the jobs of tech pundits who have no bloody idea what they're talking about (and/or are talking out of their asses, just to get the aforementioned VCs' monies flowing in their direction); I think even the half-assed 'deep learning algorithms' (again, LOL) would do a better job than these fools who are continually running off at the mouth.

  11. Re:Not all software... by Kjella · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Indeed, most software is governed by business rules and being able to explain exactly what the system will do and why is essential. If say budgets over $100k need board approval, the someone has to program exactly that and nothing else. AI is great when the outcome is more important than the reasons behind it, like does this patient have cancer? If it can consult a huge database of cases and make millions of statistical weights we don't really care how it arrives at 83% as long as roughly 83 out of 100 patients end up actually having cancer. Then it's usually back to business rules for further examination/treatment though. More AI = more software work, not less.

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  12. Ooh, Well I Predict by Greyfox · · Score: 4, Funny

    Magic is going to eat both of them. What the hell, right? They're all the same to a CEO. I'm sure AI is the silver bullet that will end all software, but magic is the silver bullet that is going to end AI! Because magic! You still have to tell an AI what you want, and a lot of those guys can barely form a coherent thought, much less put it down on paper. They're too busy synergizing their paradigms! Well magic solves that problem! You don't even have to know what you want! You just wave your magic wand and magic will make you crap daisies and unicorns! And isn't that really what they want?

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  13. Re:Not all software... by Junta · · Score: 2

    Additionally, contrary to what Google and nVidia will tell you, there aren't *that* many people with a good idea of a useful goal even when they understand the principles.

    Similar problem has afflicted 'big data', lots of people who know the principles and can do useless examples, not that many people who have an idea what to do with those techniques.

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